@@angelguardianpeace-lf6fl How do you know that was his heart? Nothing even shows up, could've been his stomach or liver. (Plus her hand went pretty low.)
It's funny because all mexicans think they descend from Aztecs but that's incorrect since there were so many meso american tribes. For all you know you could descend from an Aztec slave
@@gipsy_3o3 you're still descending from Aztec dna😂 let mexicans be proud of whatever indigenous group they want. Shit if mexicans wanna be proud of their spaniard ancestors let them.
@gipsy_3o3 blud did you not read? Most of the other tribes went extinct or got assimilated into other cultures. So yeah let mother Fuckers be proud of whoever the fuck shares a haploid group with them
The lore for ocolomeh is Luke warm, I'm happy you made a video on one of my ancestors closer than what lore makers like ubi's make Damn shame they couldn't or wouldn't make the bronze age warrior with more fantasy in it
Why would they do it? Some of the most interesting facts about aztecs were quite dark and questionable, and portraying a "victim" culture (i don't think anything like this, i think they were not saints but even if they were , thinking about cultures as just victims is patronizing) like that is politically incorrect .
I'm glad that a hero like the Ocelotl found his way into this game. A macuahuitl has blades/splinters made of obsidian, which means they can cut pretty deep and you can saw someone in half with it. Since obsidian is very brittle it makes sense to have an aditional weapon but I think that a Quauholōlli would be a better choice. Why? The spear tip is also made of obsidian. A quauholōlli's head was made of wood, rock or copper and therefor more durable.
Im glad we finally get somone who talks about the sacrifices in a real way. As someone with a Native grandmother and a direct tie to a tribe of the lost empire. There is so little we know about what was its mostly fairy tales. But the human sacrifices DID happen, but clearly not as much as many early historians would report.
I'm really hoping they add a Coyote Warrior armor set too, and possibly a "Temple Guard" armor set as well. I'm also wondering why the other heroes didn't get Aztec-themed armors like the last time we got with the last 2 heroes.
Imagine an execute that used an atlatl, like the death by spears, catapult, arrows but it’s just a shit ton of the long arrow/spears, quick, maybe funny and would be a good simple one if they want a simpler one
Great video as usual! I'm curious to see what you plan on doing with all the warriors currently are done. Though to be honest, I have doubts the obsidian tipped weapons could pierce the steel cuirass of the Spanish Conquistador. When I heard that, I feel like the Spanish exaggerated those claims to make them seem more formidable.
Hey man thanks for being more respectful towards the mesoamerican history. Although I'm not denying their practices I'm glad it wasn't shown in an obviously biased way.
There was also the fact that if you were a citizen of Aztec empire such as a elderly person someone who was a shaman a spiritual worker if you were to willingly be a sacrifice to ward off disease or drought you were treated with the highest honor of one who dies in battle and would be with the gods
I love the ocelotl because of the fact that it is V E R Y inspired by Aztec civilizations to the point that I didn't even have to see the hero just here the death whistle.
Well, considering that this was a video about the Jaguar Warriors, and Jaguar Warriors wouldn't have worn any of the other outfit sets, I stuck to looking at the default. Maybe in future I'll look over the other outfits. But I'll be honest, other than the Eagle Warrior set, none of the others look accurate.
@@RavenKnightYT I understand, thought those counted since it’s part of Ocelotl’s set and supposedly it’s a warrior that Ubisoft made up that was influenced by the Jaguar warriors so I thought that would be important to point out too.
@@RavenKnightYT what’s also interesting is that some of the outfits kinda have some inspired Centurion or Mesopotamian designs, I guess the pirates were trading some stuff from Italy and Greece to the Aztecs perhaps?
With regards to the Aztec practice of human sacrifice, there's something I've heard about sacrifices that were made to the various Aztec gods/goddesses that I would really appreciate if anyone (especially if they're of Aztec descent themselves) could confirm or disprove. I've heard that the one god of the Aztec Pantheon that you absolutely did NOT make any human sacrifices to was Quetzalcoatl. The reason for this is because Quetzalcoatl is the God Of Nature, and as such he viewed human sacrifice as the ultimate crime against nature.
"The worship of Quetzalcoatl sometimes included animal sacrifices, and in other traditions Quetzalcoatl was said to oppose human sacrifice." I am from Native Mesoamerican decent and it does vary depending on who you talk to but here sums it up quite well.
In watching a lot of gameplay of Ocelotl/Jaguar Warrior lately, I've noticed that two pretty important pieces of his gear that he would have had historically are actually missing from the For Honor version. Firstly, he's missing his Ichcahuipilli, the cotton vest that would be worn as armor after being soaked in saltwater brine to harden it (this thing could easily repel arrows, and there are even accounts by Conquistadors of it being able to stop musket bullets). Second, I notice one of his finishers involves using a blowgun, but he should also have a perk/feat that allows him to use an Atlatl as a ranged weapon. This one is honestly kind of the bigger issue for me, as Aztecs were VERY famous for their usage of the Atlatl. Any thoughts on whether or not you would have liked to see these items used by For Honor's Ocelotl, Raven? (Edit) Dammit, I REALLY hate when I post comments so early in the video that they end up being about subjects you mention LATER in the video.
My dad showed me the the ocelotls game play trailer and i was pike damm. . .my ancestors in a game then my dad got me and himself for honor and thats how i got into for honor
So I just went through the official lore for the class, and it actually does acknowledge the human sacrifices practice and the warfare the Aztecs got up to. The reason why this adaptation of the Aztecs looks 'harmless' is that apparently that cataclysm in the game's backstory made them tone it down on all the sacrifices, if not outright stop with all of that. Doesn't change the fact that historically speaking the scale of it was pretty fucked up (there's still an argument over whether one particular ceremony in the 1480s that featured the sacrifice of eighty thousand people was a massive exaggeration, and that's without getting into the argument over if it even happened!), but that's besides the point.
Huge fan of your work, question though your video of who is appolyon isn’t showing in any feeds has it been removed for an updated project or am I just blind?
@@RavenKnightYT one last question of opinion, do you think with astrea’s tyrannical war path in contrast with Apollyon’s teachings in human capability and nature, that there will be a season cause if I’m correct you claim that chimera is practically no more or nearing the cusp of destruction or defeat, plot armor may have a say and if so cause you mentioned this twice in Apollyon vs astrea and if Apollyon return, that she would be disappointed that astrea abused the lessons of war to further her own agenda. Do you believe that there will be infighting within the ranks of horkos the true wolves of Apollyons blackstone legion to realize that astrea is false in her claims, much like how you voiced the sermons of the black priors in regards to questionable loyalty to horkos or the deviation of vortiger? The very legion that followed the ideas in the very beginning that built foundation for horkos could potentially could destroy horkos in the end? All empires rise and fall and even from the ashes lessons can repeat.
I just want to know how the not!Aztecs are reacting to the introduction of mass steel production? iirc, The Aztec placed more value in the time and effort it takes to make a product, and thus disregarded the wheel, copper and bronze production, and future metallurgical developments to maintain the heights of labor investment(thus value) with labor reducing tools.
The armor were a hit and miss for me. You have on that’s more historical accurate while the second is your stereotypical shirtless barbarian with a skull mask. I was hoping they show off padded armor.
![Why Ocelotl is...Strange [For Honor]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/cj-xafPBPMY/mqdefault.jpg)
babe wake up heroes in history came out
I feel like not giving him an execution where he cuts his opponent’s heart out is a huge missed opportunity
Shaman already has that
@@angelguardianpeace-lf6flso he shouldnt get one? There are so many heroes that have punches executions and we dont mind them being on multiple heroes
@@thomasweini9960 not my place to say if he should
@@angelguardianpeace-lf6fl How do you know that was his heart? Nothing even shows up, could've been his stomach or liver. (Plus her hand went pretty low.)
@@MementoMori7777 does it have much of a matter to it? I don't design games
As a Mexican, the new hero is a big deal to me.
Thanks for making this video, so informative and entertaining as always.
Keep being awesome!
It's funny because all mexicans think they descend from Aztecs but that's incorrect since there were so many meso american tribes. For all you know you could descend from an Aztec slave
@@gipsy_3o3 you're still descending from Aztec dna😂 let mexicans be proud of whatever indigenous group they want. Shit if mexicans wanna be proud of their spaniard ancestors let them.
@@SICK47 Blud did you not read? Not all Mexicans are Aztec descended but are Meso American Descended
@gipsy_3o3 blud did you not read? Most of the other tribes went extinct or got assimilated into other cultures. So yeah let mother Fuckers be proud of whoever the fuck shares a haploid group with them
@gipsy_3o3
True, but still.
I learned more about Aztecs watching this video than I did in high school.
This little amount of views for such content feels criminal, you should get so much more recognition man!
The lore for ocolomeh is Luke warm, I'm happy you made a video on one of my ancestors closer than what lore makers like ubi's make
Damn shame they couldn't or wouldn't make the bronze age warrior with more fantasy in it
This is a start, can't expect a French company to portray other histories accurately. It's clear the status quo is shifting though!
Why would they do it? Some of the most interesting facts about aztecs were quite dark and questionable, and portraying a "victim" culture (i don't think anything like this, i think they were not saints but even if they were , thinking about cultures as just victims is patronizing) like that is politically incorrect .
They’re supposed to be peace loving but also pursue bloody revenge at all costs
Ok Ubi
I can’t wait I love this series since it teaches a lot
welcome to the jungle, we got fun and games
Amazing History video
Thank you much!
I'm glad that a hero like the Ocelotl found his way into this game.
A macuahuitl has blades/splinters made of obsidian, which means they can cut pretty deep and you can saw someone in half with it. Since obsidian is very brittle it makes sense to have an aditional weapon but I think that a Quauholōlli would be a better choice. Why? The spear tip is also made of obsidian. A quauholōlli's head was made of wood, rock or copper and therefor more durable.
He should've had bleeding
always excited when Heroes in history comes out they are always amazing
Im glad we finally get somone who talks about the sacrifices in a real way. As someone with a Native grandmother and a direct tie to a tribe of the lost empire. There is so little we know about what was its mostly fairy tales. But the human sacrifices DID happen, but clearly not as much as many early historians would report.
I'm really hoping they add a Coyote Warrior armor set too, and possibly a "Temple Guard" armor set as well. I'm also wondering why the other heroes didn't get Aztec-themed armors like the last time we got with the last 2 heroes.
Oh yeah didn't realize that
Yeah, I was really upset about that 😢
I really wish they gave him bleeding effects to each attack because of the weapons
Imagine an execute that used an atlatl, like the death by spears, catapult, arrows but it’s just a shit ton of the long arrow/spears, quick, maybe funny and would be a good simple one if they want a simpler one
Thanks for putting so much effort in this video. 🙏
17:37 Ladies and gentlemen, the biggest fool in For Honor!
Another great HIH vid! Shame that there aren’t a lot of videos based on Mesoamerican myth and history on YT
Now for honor is truly the new deadliest warrior game, but with even more warriors
13:04 wait the same thing happened to vela.... is she based on that specific Conquistador?!
Great video as usual! I'm curious to see what you plan on doing with all the warriors currently are done. Though to be honest, I have doubts the obsidian tipped weapons could pierce the steel cuirass of the Spanish Conquistador. When I heard that, I feel like the Spanish exaggerated those claims to make them seem more formidable.
It was definitely rare, but Mesoamerican atlatl could probably pierce steel from close range. Though it's not like they aimed for the armour.
Hey man thanks for being more respectful towards the mesoamerican history. Although I'm not denying their practices I'm glad it wasn't shown in an obviously biased way.
Gotta admit its kinda funny hearing the misspronunciatons of Nahuatl lol. "Najuua " XD
You're right, it is pretty funny. After all, it's such a commonly spoken language in the United States, how could anyone mispronounce Nahuatl? XD
All in good fun bro, my english isnt perfect either lul @@RavenKnightYT
There was also the fact that if you were a citizen of Aztec empire such as a elderly person someone who was a shaman a spiritual worker if you were to willingly be a sacrifice to ward off disease or drought you were treated with the highest honor of one who dies in battle and would be with the gods
I love the ocelotl because of the fact that it is V E R Y inspired by Aztec civilizations to the point that I didn't even have to see the hero just here the death whistle.
Pretty neat history video wish the other cosmetics aspects were looked into though, it’s curious the higher tiers sorta has priests in the mix.
Well, considering that this was a video about the Jaguar Warriors, and Jaguar Warriors wouldn't have worn any of the other outfit sets, I stuck to looking at the default.
Maybe in future I'll look over the other outfits. But I'll be honest, other than the Eagle Warrior set, none of the others look accurate.
@@RavenKnightYT I understand, thought those counted since it’s part of Ocelotl’s set and supposedly it’s a warrior that Ubisoft made up that was influenced by the Jaguar warriors so I thought that would be important to point out too.
@@RavenKnightYT what’s also interesting is that some of the outfits kinda have some inspired Centurion or Mesopotamian designs, I guess the pirates were trading some stuff from Italy and Greece to the Aztecs perhaps?
With regards to the Aztec practice of human sacrifice, there's something I've heard about sacrifices that were made to the various Aztec gods/goddesses that I would really appreciate if anyone (especially if they're of Aztec descent themselves) could confirm or disprove. I've heard that the one god of the Aztec Pantheon that you absolutely did NOT make any human sacrifices to was Quetzalcoatl. The reason for this is because Quetzalcoatl is the God Of Nature, and as such he viewed human sacrifice as the ultimate crime against nature.
"The worship of Quetzalcoatl sometimes included animal sacrifices, and in other traditions Quetzalcoatl was said to oppose human sacrifice." I am from Native Mesoamerican decent and it does vary depending on who you talk to but here sums it up quite well.
Quetzalcoatl definitely did take animal sacrifices and his wind god "avatar", Ehecatl, did recieve human sacrifices as far as we know.
In watching a lot of gameplay of Ocelotl/Jaguar Warrior lately, I've noticed that two pretty important pieces of his gear that he would have had historically are actually missing from the For Honor version. Firstly, he's missing his Ichcahuipilli, the cotton vest that would be worn as armor after being soaked in saltwater brine to harden it (this thing could easily repel arrows, and there are even accounts by Conquistadors of it being able to stop musket bullets). Second, I notice one of his finishers involves using a blowgun, but he should also have a perk/feat that allows him to use an Atlatl as a ranged weapon. This one is honestly kind of the bigger issue for me, as Aztecs were VERY famous for their usage of the Atlatl. Any thoughts on whether or not you would have liked to see these items used by For Honor's Ocelotl, Raven?
(Edit) Dammit, I REALLY hate when I post comments so early in the video that they end up being about subjects you mention LATER in the video.
Nice been waiting for this one
I'll sacrifice my neighbour to Quetzalcaotl to make sure the future viking hero has good lore!
Great video Raven.
I can't tell you how badly I want a kingdom come deliverance type game set in mezoamerica
6:41 Call my WHAT
My dad showed me the the ocelotls game play trailer and i was pike damm. . .my ancestors in a game then my dad got me and himself for honor and thats how i got into for honor
So I just went through the official lore for the class, and it actually does acknowledge the human sacrifices practice and the warfare the Aztecs got up to. The reason why this adaptation of the Aztecs looks 'harmless' is that apparently that cataclysm in the game's backstory made them tone it down on all the sacrifices, if not outright stop with all of that.
Doesn't change the fact that historically speaking the scale of it was pretty fucked up (there's still an argument over whether one particular ceremony in the 1480s that featured the sacrifice of eighty thousand people was a massive exaggeration, and that's without getting into the argument over if it even happened!), but that's besides the point.
Will you cover the new Peacekeeper execution?
Huge fan of your work, question though your video of who is appolyon isn’t showing in any feeds has it been removed for an updated project or am I just blind?
RUclips took it down for copyright stuff. I'm working to redo the video.
@@RavenKnightYT their cowards…we must be brave for them
@@RavenKnightYT one last question of opinion, do you think with astrea’s tyrannical war path in contrast with Apollyon’s teachings in human capability and nature, that there will be a season cause if I’m correct you claim that chimera is practically no more or nearing the cusp of destruction or defeat, plot armor may have a say and if so cause you mentioned this twice in Apollyon vs astrea and if Apollyon return, that she would be disappointed that astrea abused the lessons of war to further her own agenda. Do you believe that there will be infighting within the ranks of horkos the true wolves of Apollyons blackstone legion to realize that astrea is false in her claims, much like how you voiced the sermons of the black priors in regards to questionable loyalty to horkos or the deviation of vortiger? The very legion that followed the ideas in the very beginning that built foundation for horkos could potentially could destroy horkos in the end? All empires rise and fall and even from the ashes lessons can repeat.
How’s the Apollyon analysis redo video coming along? Also what was the music used at the end there?
dont call me a cuc 6:40
I just want to know how the not!Aztecs are reacting to the introduction of mass steel production? iirc, The Aztec placed more value in the time and effort it takes to make a product, and thus disregarded the wheel, copper and bronze production, and future metallurgical developments to maintain the heights of labor investment(thus value) with labor reducing tools.
Chances are that claim has little to back it up.
Still waiting for Legend of Nibbles
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There Ok I’m So Medjays Hero’s an Carthaginians Hero’s
The name is pronounced as
(oak-lot) just to wanted to let you know 👍🏾
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Oonga Boonga
It’s pronounced, naw-wa-tal
The armor were a hit and miss for me. You have on that’s more historical accurate while the second is your stereotypical shirtless barbarian with a skull mask. I was hoping they show off padded armor.
Too bad the hero's gameplay isn't as cool as their lore