Hi Tobias,thanks for sharing your experience! It is a cautionary tale that we can all learn from. Many thanks,keep the videos coming, all the best Kevin (Wales UK)
After watching this I stopped at SHC store in Branson and bought the Red Bone CV with the punch It’s a beauty and I carry it to Church often in my small custom sheath Thanks for a cautionary video and a tip of the cap to SHC The Reids are great people
I just got a Case Stockman with synthetic red handles as my first traditional pocket knife. I wanted a sheepsfoot blade for opening boxes and bags without having to commit to a single-blade folder, and the spey blade's round shape is not intimidating. Kinda afraid to shell out more for bone handles and such. But I am already loving it, even though I was bummed out by the blade rub marks. Take care and always stay safe, now!
I was lucky to pick up the amber bone stockman you mentioned when it was offered. After some carry it has similar blade rub marks just like your. Funny how that happens.
Well, a bit of blade rub isn't the end of the world as long as it doesn't mar up the blade to badly, or even threaten the cutting edge somehow. With traditional patterns one shouldn't expect to receive a perfect specimen, rather hope for (or cherrypick) one that has few scruffy areas, or displays those kinds of imperfect one minds the least (such as weaker or uneven back springs, or poorly matched covers, or bad swedges, wonky stamps, little dents anywhere, etc.) Like, personally I don't mind much if the stamps are a bit crooked, or if there's a bit of rub.
Good video. I have a good collection of things. I do prefer Buck . To each his own. I still have the first two I bought and still use . Bought in early 1970s . Info is awesome! Thanks !
Can't complain about Buck. (Well I do some times! ) But seriously, Buck is a great company and they actually are upfront about the steel in the knife. Unlike Case that has changed their "Tru-Sharp" and their "CV" steel on a couple of occasions! I use a Buck Clearwatrer bait knife and their 4 inch US made Mr. Crappie filet knife for most of my pan fishing needs. Both are outstanding!
Thanks Tobias, the 2318 looks to be about the same size and blade configuration as the GEC 291319 they call the Stockyard Whittler from last year. I do like the blades on the Case knife and for a working knife a slight rub does not matter to me.
Reviewing some of your older videos Tobias and realizing the only Stockman I own with the punch is an old Buck 319 Rancher, Going to look for this Case model in carbon steel.
i have a GEC Wrangler, 571312, with a clip, spey, and punch, with cocobolo handles. I like it because of it's girth and curved sides. In fact, I carried it this past week, and today. Most the Case knives I seen or felt are thinner and flatter. In general, that not to my taste. I haven't tried Ebay yet.
As best I can make out, it is the same label but with a different, earlier date! Almost like it was sent back and then sent back out again! Crazy, huh?!?
I purchased a case traper at wal mart with red delrin scales and american flag shield . It has the small punch blow marks as well, only in the small scale pins .
Having a similar what's going on here situation with the Boker Stockman I bought. There's a tiny bit of gappiness between the liners and what looks like a small amount of damage to the scales in the same area. No big deal really but I was lead to believe the German made Bokers never had this. It was a good buy for a German made Boker so I wonder if it was a second? Then.... According to some collectors the knives like mine that don't say Solingen, made in Germany on the knife aren't German made. Mine just says Germany on the red crest on the scales. I searched online for the longest of time and it says all Tree Brands except the Arbolitos are German made. Rather than the tiny fault its a beautifully made quality knife but like yourself, I just needed to know.
Beutifull knives. Have you done a show on the case witteler? Thinking on buying one.i wish thay made one in cv!👍👍🤠🤠I also want the one you just showed only with a spay blade. Thank you great show!!!
Thanks for the lesson Just wondering how you decide to keep some knives in original boxes and not others. Also, am interested to see how you organize and store your collection.
P.H.F., I keep most of my boxes but my knives are not in them. I remove them from the box and put them in felt lined wooden drawers with other knives. The drawers have silica packs to absorb moisture. Those that have key rings or nails are hanging from hooks. And are checked periodically. The boxes are store separately. I keep most but not all boxes. If the box looks really cool, I keep it. If I can use the box for storage, I also keep it. I’m not concerned about depreciation but I want to have the boxes in the event I give the knife away or sell it.
I have had problems with two of the six Case knives I have bought. The problems were more than mere aesthetics, and is a high failure rate. The failure rate on my Rough Ryder knives is much lower, in fact it is zero.
It's funny you should mention them as I just recently picked up the current Old Timer Camp knife! It will be the subject of an upcoming video. I like the earlier USA made Old Timers better than the modern ones. Primarily, I'm not keen on the way the newer one's saw cut bone looks and the 3Cr13Mov. (considering the asking price of the knife!) Old Timers have always been budget friendly knives so not as valued by "knife aficionados" but I collect more for historical importance and for that reason alone Old Timers are very much on my radar. Let's face it, the difference between an Ulster Boy Scout Knife and Old Timer Scout knife was the handle material and the shield! Both perfectly acceptable knives.
Tobias Gibson how funny, well looking forward to seeing the next video than. I have been debating picking up the old timer Barlow on amazon but not sure if it’s worth it, the quality is my main concern I know it’s a budget knife. I really only buy budget knives and have a small collection of rough ryders and victorinox so far. Just getting started but loving the slip joints.
I have just received the same knife with synthetic black scales from SHC, but with the usual spay blade. Mine came in a box marked Carbon Steel and instead of CV, CS is punched on the blades. I wonder what the difference is? Unfortunately, there is so much gapping on the springs that I'll be returning it for a replacement.
Sad to hear about the gapping. I've been very fortunate with SHC but I also had to return a butterbean canoe because of poor finish. Word has it Case switched from 1986CV (Chrome Vanadium) to a version of plain vanilla carbon steel in 2021/2022. I have not heard what carbon steel is being used. Here is hoping that it is at least 1080 or above.
@@KnifeChatswithTobias Thanks for the reply. SHC has graciously accepted my return request, and even granted me the option to exchange it for the version with the punch blade. According to the Case website, they have reverted to 1095 carbon steel for lack of raw materials in lieu of the usual CV.
i used to buy factory rejects at my local surplus store from schrade and the same kinds of things were wrong with them, pins sticking out a little bit i would buy 5-6 for 5.99 a piece and hand them out to my friends, usually they were large stockman knives, i did however from amazon, buy a new case white smooth bone barlow with the cross shield and was far from satisfied with it, a few weeks later i bought the white smooth bone barlow from rough ryder and was so much more impressed with it, they are both the same size and the only thing that might make the case a better knife to me is the nail nic for each blade is on the opposite side but with the rough ryder you have to open the pen blade to get at the main
I have perhaps two more Case knives I am after and then I am done with them. Too much hit or miss. Others lately running into the same. Too stressful wondering how it's going to be upon arrival. Sorry Case ~ you are going to be passed up by R.R.
I'm very, very picky with Case Knives. But I've been very happy with the knives from Shepherd Hills (at least when it is SH exclusive). I think they do a little in-house QC on their products. But you are correct. Rough Ryder has at least caught up with Case in QC. And when you consider the lower price; that puts RR way ahead of them.
Tobias, I have a brand new buck 110 automatic in the box I can’t keep it in my state so it just sits inside my rap, would you be interested in a trade let me know thanks, And it has the black ebony handles
Yeah... factory seconds. I got once the opportunity to get a Case knife through a friend travelling to Europe. I got some lousy quality sh&#^$%*t (Medium Stockman.with amber jig bone). Large space between liner and backspring, clip blade has a play in the direction of opening (yes, a non-locking knife has back and forth bladeplay). Blade rubbing, one end of the shield sticking out like crazy... It just doesn't do a favour to the Made in U.S.A. tag...
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Love Stockman’s, got my first one at Sears in 1977, used it in the Permian basin oil fields, still have it. Thanks for the video
I really enjoyed " The Tale of Two Stackmans " and heed it's warning. Thank you.
Hi Tobias,thanks for sharing your experience! It is a cautionary tale that we can all learn from. Many thanks,keep the videos coming, all the best Kevin (Wales UK)
That's dishonest to sell a second as a new knife, used is ok but new in the box is no good. Great vid
The black one with the punch make a great weapon.
Very informative video Tobias thanks
Awesome additions, sometimes gotta learn the hard way, thank you for sharing
After watching this I stopped at SHC store in Branson and bought the Red Bone CV with the punch It’s a beauty and I carry it to Church often in my small custom sheath Thanks for a cautionary video and a tip of the cap to SHC The Reids are great people
Great story and as they say Live and Learn, great looking stockman, :)
I've been carrying the "second." I just as well get my money's worth out of it. I'f I ever get rid of it, I'm going to stamp "second" into the handle.
Very interesting thanks for showing that one!!!!! I’m going to check my black stockman thanks Tobias
Thanks Tobias that was some good useful information.
I just got a Case Stockman with synthetic red handles as my first traditional pocket knife. I wanted a sheepsfoot blade for opening boxes and bags without having to commit to a single-blade folder, and the spey blade's round shape is not intimidating.
Kinda afraid to shell out more for bone handles and such. But I am already loving it, even though I was bummed out by the blade rub marks.
Take care and always stay safe, now!
Blade rub almost comes with the territory on Stockman knives. If they don't have it when you buy it, they will develop it over time.
I was lucky to pick up the amber bone stockman you mentioned when it was offered. After some carry it has similar blade rub marks just like your. Funny how that happens.
Well, a bit of blade rub isn't the end of the world as long as it doesn't mar up the blade to badly, or even threaten the cutting edge somehow.
With traditional patterns one shouldn't expect to receive a perfect specimen, rather hope for (or cherrypick) one that has few scruffy areas, or displays those kinds of imperfect one minds the least (such as weaker or uneven back springs, or poorly matched covers, or bad swedges, wonky stamps, little dents anywhere, etc.)
Like, personally I don't mind much if the stamps are a bit crooked, or if there's a bit of rub.
Good video. I have a good collection of things. I do prefer Buck . To each his own. I still have the first two I bought and still use . Bought in early 1970s . Info is awesome! Thanks !
Can't complain about Buck. (Well I do some times! ) But seriously, Buck is a great company and they actually are upfront about the steel in the knife. Unlike Case that has changed their "Tru-Sharp" and their "CV" steel on a couple of occasions! I use a Buck Clearwatrer bait knife and their 4 inch US made Mr. Crappie filet knife for most of my pan fishing needs. Both are outstanding!
You are like Sherlock Holmes, neat that you figured out that the ebay stockman was a factory second.
I just checked out Shepherd Hills wabsite, thanks for the info!
I buy all my Case knives from Shepherd Hills either off their web site or I wait til I stop by about once a year or so. Great store!
They are definitely my first stop for in production Case Knives!
Thanks Tobias, the 2318 looks to be about the same size and blade configuration as the GEC 291319 they call the Stockyard Whittler from last year. I do like the blades on the Case knife and for a working knife a slight rub does not matter to me.
Reviewing some of your older videos Tobias and realizing the only Stockman I own with the punch is an old Buck 319 Rancher, Going to look for this Case model in carbon steel.
Shephered Hill Cutlery normally carries one in Carbon
@@KnifeChatswithTobias thanks !
i have a GEC Wrangler, 571312, with a clip, spey, and punch, with cocobolo handles. I like it because of it's girth and curved sides. In fact, I carried it this past week, and today. Most the Case knives I seen or felt are thinner and flatter. In general, that not to my taste. I haven't tried Ebay yet.
I liked what I saw, so I gave it a thumbs up😁👍👍👍 I love ur vids man
I’ve a few Stockmans, but none with a punch. I’d love one of those! eBay in the Uk doesn’t sell knives, but it does leave limited options.
It's available through Shepherd Hills Cutlery. I'm not sure if the they ship to the UK.
no knives on EBay? What lol wow times have changed? WHen?
@@Baasicstuff , Legally, no knife sales on eBay, UK. Kind of like you can't sale switchblades and and balisongs on eBay in the US. (but it happens!)
@@KnifeChatswithTobias wow didn't know that; I've had so many customers from the UK.
would be interesting what is under that first label. Thanks for sharing this.
As best I can make out, it is the same label but with a different, earlier date! Almost like it was sent back and then sent back out again! Crazy, huh?!?
I purchased a case traper at wal mart with red delrin scales and american flag shield . It has the small punch blow marks as well, only in the small scale pins .
Well done thanks
Having a similar what's going on here situation with the Boker Stockman I bought. There's a tiny bit of gappiness between the liners and what looks like a small amount of damage to the scales in the same area. No big deal really but I was lead to believe the German made Bokers never had this. It was a good buy for a German made Boker so I wonder if it was a second? Then.... According to some collectors the knives like mine that don't say Solingen, made in Germany on the knife aren't German made. Mine just says Germany on the red crest on the scales. I searched online for the longest of time and it says all Tree Brands except the Arbolitos are German made. Rather than the tiny fault its a beautifully made quality knife but like yourself, I just needed to know.
Beutifull knives. Have you done a show on the case witteler? Thinking on buying one.i wish thay made one in cv!👍👍🤠🤠I also want the one you just showed only with a spay blade. Thank you great show!!!
Yes I have, but only the Seahorse Whittlers. I think I also did one on a half whittler.
@@KnifeChatswithTobias 👍👍
Thanks for the lesson Just wondering how you decide to keep some knives in original boxes and not others. Also, am interested to see how you organize and store your collection.
P.H.F., I keep most of my boxes but my knives are not in them. I remove them from the box and put them in felt lined wooden drawers with other knives. The drawers have silica packs to absorb moisture.
Those that have key rings or nails are hanging from hooks. And are checked periodically.
The boxes are store separately. I keep most but not all boxes. If the box looks really cool, I keep it. If I can use the box for storage, I also keep it. I’m not concerned about depreciation but I want to have the boxes in the event I give the knife away or sell it.
Bonitas navajas con diseños tradicionales, excelente fabricación
I hope to come across a stockman with punch one day!
I found a case pocket knife, the spade blade seems to be used most, I wonder why.
I have had problems with two of the six Case knives I have bought. The problems were more than mere aesthetics, and is a high failure rate. The failure rate on my Rough Ryder knives is much lower, in fact it is zero.
I just found Your channel, cool stuff 👍, I was curious of Your opinions on old timer knives, I know off topic lol
It's funny you should mention them as I just recently picked up the current Old Timer Camp knife! It will be the subject of an upcoming video.
I like the earlier USA made Old Timers better than the modern ones. Primarily, I'm not keen on the way the newer one's saw cut bone looks and the 3Cr13Mov. (considering the asking price of the knife!)
Old Timers have always been budget friendly knives so not as valued by "knife aficionados" but I collect more for historical importance and for that reason alone Old Timers are very much on my radar. Let's face it, the difference between an Ulster Boy Scout Knife and Old Timer Scout knife was the handle material and the shield! Both perfectly acceptable knives.
Tobias Gibson how funny, well looking forward to seeing the next video than. I have been debating picking up the old timer Barlow on amazon but not sure if it’s worth it, the quality is my main concern I know it’s a budget knife. I really only buy budget knives and have a small collection of rough ryders and victorinox so far. Just getting started but loving the slip joints.
I have just received the same knife with synthetic black scales from SHC, but with the usual spay blade. Mine came in a box marked Carbon Steel and instead of CV, CS is punched on the blades. I wonder what the difference is? Unfortunately, there is so much gapping on the springs that I'll be returning it for a replacement.
Sad to hear about the gapping. I've been very fortunate with SHC but I also had to return a butterbean canoe because of poor finish. Word has it Case switched from 1986CV (Chrome Vanadium) to a version of plain vanilla carbon steel in 2021/2022. I have not heard what carbon steel is being used. Here is hoping that it is at least 1080 or above.
@@KnifeChatswithTobias Thanks for the reply. SHC has graciously accepted my return request, and even granted me the option to exchange it for the version with the punch blade. According to the Case website, they have reverted to 1095 carbon steel for lack of raw materials in lieu of the usual CV.
i used to buy factory rejects at my local surplus store from schrade and the same kinds of things were wrong with them, pins sticking out a little bit i would buy 5-6 for 5.99 a piece and hand them out to my friends, usually they were large stockman knives, i did however from amazon, buy a new case white smooth bone barlow with the cross shield and was far from satisfied with it, a few weeks later i bought the white smooth bone barlow from rough ryder and was so much more impressed with it, they are both the same size and the only thing that might make the case a better knife to me is the nail nic for each blade is on the opposite side but with the rough ryder you have to open the pen blade to get at the main
I picked one up recently from ShepherdHillsCutlery.com I love that website, they only sell Case and have many exclusives.
I have perhaps two more Case knives I am after and then I am done with them. Too much hit or miss. Others lately running into the same. Too stressful wondering how it's going to be upon arrival. Sorry Case ~ you are going to be passed up by R.R.
JP Stone - agree, I'm not buying any more Case sight unseen.
I'm very, very picky with Case Knives. But I've been very happy with the knives from Shepherd Hills (at least when it is SH exclusive). I think they do a little in-house QC on their products. But you are correct. Rough Ryder has at least caught up with Case in QC. And when you consider the lower price; that puts RR way ahead of them.
Tobias, I have a brand new buck 110 automatic in the box I can’t keep it in my state so it just sits inside my rap, would you be interested in a trade let me know thanks, And it has the black ebony handles
Always somebody working to give ebay a black with shady merchandise, thank for the information.
I really don't see any issues here Tobias you have duplicate knives.
Case solved by Tobias Poirot.
Could WO simply be “work order”?
That would make sense. It is definitely office jargon.
I grabbed the 2013 g10 medium stockman on eBay 40 dollars
Yeah... factory seconds. I got once the opportunity to get a Case knife through a friend travelling to Europe. I got some lousy quality sh&#^$%*t (Medium Stockman.with amber jig bone). Large space between liner and backspring, clip blade has a play in the direction of opening (yes, a non-locking knife has back and forth bladeplay). Blade rubbing, one end of the shield sticking out like crazy...
It just doesn't do a favour to the Made in U.S.A. tag...
You are very tolerate of the dealer, I would name and shame.