Declan Rice used Ireland to audition for England - Kevin Kilbane
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- Former Ireland international and record outfield caps holder Kevin Kilbane spoke about Declan Rice 'using' Ireland and the 'farce' around the international rules that allowed him to switch allegiance.
They've taken our spuds and now they've taken our rice. Stop it.
lol
Banter
😂 😂 😂
They took Jack Grealish as well :(
They took everything but our spuds..
Oh well, opens up a spot for a real Irishman. Produce your own and you won't have this problem...
The FAI need to stop tapping up young English talent with ancesteory. Need to at least wait until they're old enough to make an informed decision and you know they're 100% committed.
He made 3 senior international caps over the age of 18. Id say thats old enough to make an informed decision!
@@chriswhamilton clearly not, otherwise he wouldn't have switched. You're either certain or you're not. Evidently he wasn't certain
@@jamesmason8436 James McClean played all his junior football for N Ireland but ended up playing for the Republic. He knew exactly what he was doing. I dont have to think for a second about where my allegiences lay, he choose England because he wants to play in WCs.
Zinedine Kilbane played for Ireland because he was not good enough to play for his own country France. It was not for any other reason.
Hahaaaaaa
He is clearly. Irish
At least he was probably fully committed as soon as he put the Irish jersey for the first time. Unlike Rice obviously.
D Petrova to be fair rice probably wanted to play for England but wasn’t chosen and then Ireland let him play for them.
Liam Quinn kilbane probably. More irish than people. Born in Ireland
Great admiration for Kevin, 110 caps and always gave 100% for his country. That clown O'Neill could've avoided all this simply by bringing Rice on for the last 2 minutes of a competitive match. Then it would've been done & dusted, and Rice or Southgate wouldn't have even thought about it. It would have been sorted there and then. O'Neill was a total disaster for Irish football in every area he was involved in.
And rob a 19 year old of the right to represent his actual country ?
Meaning what? You could mean that Gaelic football is true Irish football but given you're replying to a soccer video I'm presuming you're referring to non-Irish playing for Ireland? If so...Germany, France, Spain and England are all world cup winners. They've also all had non-native born players play for them. In last years world cup final, 4 players in the starting elevens (1 French, 3 Croatian) were not born in the countries they represented. Are you saying that Ireland should limit themselves to playing by different rules than the football elite?
I never said it was??? If you saw a headline "Irish rugby in the doldrums" would you say....Rugby isn't Ireland's national sport. No, you'd understand they are referring to the state of rugby currently being played in Ireland or by the Irish national rugby team, correct?There are literally dozens of different sports currently being played or practiced in Ireland, none of which are our "national sport", but people represent Ireland in most if not all of them. Ah wait...I understand now. When you said "come to" rather than 'go to' Britain, you're British right? We actually have two national sports, Gaelic football and hurling (if you don't know what hurling is, check out the youtube video "hurling, the fastest sport on grass". The games are played inter-club or inter-county, and unlike soccer you DO have to be born in a certain county to represent that county (how many Liverpool FC players were born in Liverpool for example?) Also, it's completely amateur, and the players play for the love of the game and the community they represent, not cash! However, unlike soccer, these games are not played in half the world, but then again we didn't colonise half the world like Britain, so there's that. If you are British I can only presume you came on this site to have a little chuckle over Rice's defection, which is fair enough. Although you're not adverse to a bit of player poaching yourselves either are you? Who can forget Terry Butcher, bloodied and bandaged and still battling on, the great British bulldog spirit...yet... wasn't he born in Singapore???
So a 19yo kid who switches to his birth country is a weasel. However a 66yo under contract to a national team while openly touting for other jobs should be shown respect? Are you serious? O'Neill is a narcissistic, egotistical fraud who bridled at anyone even mildly questioning his tactics or motives, and who was found out in the latter stages of his tenure. He was all show and no substance, as demonstrated by his prowling the technical area in a tracksuit with his sleeves rolled up, which shouted "look at me I'm a hands on manager", when in fact he didn't even take training? You fail to mention that we got to the second round of the Euros because we beat an Italy B team as they were already qualified? You also fail to mention that of Wales "two world class players" one of them (Bale) wasn't playing, and to call the other (Ramsey) "world class" is over-hyping him. O'Neill's lack of tactical awareness was shown up clearly when he took off both defensive midfielders at half time in a world cup playoff, resulting in one of the best creative midfielders in football being given the freedom of the Aviva, and a 5-1 home defeat. I have zero respect for O'Neill.
Kilbane is proper Dumb
What about Tony Cascarino?? Literally zero Irish connections and played for us under false pretences. As for Rice, handled badly but the commercial opportunities for him are obvious playing for England and modern players are primarily motivated by money no matter what anyone says.
Cascarinos mother is an O’Malley.
'I couldn't give a sh.. a toss about him declaring for England' - Obviously 🤣
I’m born in Ireland and grew up for the first part of my life in Ireland and will always be Irish first, but I’ve also lived in England for what’s been a decade now for the rest of my childhood and I’m also a “Proud English” (basically the same as Michael Obafemi, but replace Nigeria with a mix of Indian and French 😅) Of course, not as much as I am a “Proud Irishman” and that will never be the case even if I live the next 70 years of my life in England, but of course you can be proud of being from multiple countries when you come from multiple countries. It’s not mutually exclusive.
Having said that, Declan definitely used us just for trials and I don’t think he ever actually wanted to play Ireland out of pride and that’s something that I’ll never be happy about. I always support England (except against Ireland ofc), but every time Declan Rice or Jack Grealish scores, I get really mad 😂😂
Ireland must put in their own youth systems and stop piggybacking on the English schools and clubs , how can you ask for loyalty from someone brought up in the English youth set up.
He played all the way up through Ireland's youth team 16s to seniors
@@ryanmccauley5540 he went through the English schools system and signed a youth contract with West Ham, ( his local team), Ireland has no claim on him.
England have done this too and not just in Football. Cricket, Rugby etc. They have 'borrowed' players from elsewhere for decades and still do. So dont get on your high horse about 'loyalty'. Football is not the no 1 sport in Ireland and is equivalent to non-league.
You obviously cannot see the hypocrisy here. Rice played for Ireland at u16, u17, u18, u21 and senior level. He chose to do that, didn't have to. That's what Kilbane has a problem with. Why not 'show loyalty' for England instead?
@@bobforton3722 I didn't ask him to show loyalty to anyone, I asked why should he be loyal to Ireland, Ireland haven't developed him, all they've done is get him to play for them because he had an Irish grandfather they haven't invested any time or money into his football, Kilbane decided who he wanted to play for, the same as Rice.
To be fair to Kilbane if I remember right he turned down an invite to the English underage setup because he wanted to play for the country of his parents. Dunno why he is getting slagged so much about the accent. Seems a decent bloke and definitely worked his hole off for Ireland anytime he pulled on a jersey.
I have a similar background to Declan Rice, London born and raised but with Irish blood. All I can say it is that it is certainly possible to be a proud Englishman and also feel great pride in and affinity with your Irishness. Kilbane seems to think these things are mutually exclusive but they certainly aren't. Identity is not that simple. Truth is it must be a huge honour to play for either country. I don't doubt that Rice was being genuine when he expressed his pride in playing for Ireland. Still, it's a very difficult decision ultimately, and he was a very young man at the time. Who knows that conversations were had or what impression he gave behind the scenes, but on the whole I think he needs to be cut a bit of slack given his age at the time and also the very complex and multifaceted nature of one's identity.
He had 3 caps, it shouldn't be allowed. The point is that he used Ireland to get a bigger gig at England, its really unfair. Kilbane is Irish so he is gonna speak on the behalf of Ireland that he betrayed us. Rice should never been allowed switch countries and use us as a way to play for England. He found a loophole and used it.
No hes an embaressment
Kilbane just can't get it into his head that a person with mixed heritage is not going to have black and white feelings about their national allegiances. Just because he's English that doesn't mean Ireland meant nothing to him. There could be players born and bred in Ireland that cared less about the team than him, but ultimately he's still English either way.
Exactly !
No he has a problem with Rice already choosing Ireland (from u16 level all the way up to the senior team) and then switching. If he'd just wanted to play for England for the start Kilbane would probably have no issue with it.
Haha irony of kilbanes awful north West England crap accent saying he's a proud Irishman,is this a wind up???
Brain dead statement my friend. So all those people who left Ireland out of economic necessity. What you're saying is Kevin Kilbane's grandparents / parents, who left the country out of economic necessity, are no longer Irish. Whereas someone who immigrated to Ireland a few years ago, from the other side of the world, is more Irish? Really logical that.
@@thinkofitthisway7804 neither are,same as if English or Scottish,Ireland have been playing this game more than most that's all
@@don__hector7845 ZZ Kilbane was called up for the English youth team before the Irish and he said no to England. That's the reason
What has his accent got to do with it? My mate was born in England, has an English accent but is a proud Irishman. His family are Irish and they only moved to England because of his Dads job. He spends every summer going to Ireland and as far as he is concerned Ireland is and always be in his heart.
What's it matter what accent u have
I'm English from Irish heritage (grandparents) and have to agree with Kevin. I dont have a problem with Rice playing for Ireland or England but you can't change nationalities or teams, pick one and stick with it! The mans a Turncoat.
If he wasn't a good player he would of stuck with Eire. But coz he's so good he's moved on to England. Like a player leaving Sunderland to join Liverpool.
Didnt Jackie Charlton chase many players not born in Ireland. The FAI partly to blame.
Kilbane’s argument seems to based on his personal antipathy toward England rather than a positive view on Ireland.
He was a young footballer who was unsure that maybe he never would’ve played for England at a senior level. At the end of the day he was 16 when THEY APPROACHED HIM. The problem here isn’t Declan Rice himself it’s Ireland scouting Player born in ENGLAND raised in ENGLAND who have slight Irish heritage. He was young and perhaps less capable of making such a big and life changing decision.
All they did was recruite him, which by law, had every right to. Yes he was 16 but every 16 year old has some level of intellect. It's no coincidence that he made this decision at the back of a good season with West Ham. That success suddenly opened his eyes and made him realise that he is all of a sudden English. He was singing the Irish national anthem when he was a nobody but once he gained a bit of relevance he decides to be English.
The problem is people like Kevin Kilbane and Gary Breen are born and raised in England to two very traditional Irish families at a time when a lot of Irish people living in the UK kept within their own communities. Kilbane and Breen were therefore brought up as 'Irish' and only ever felt 'Irish'. They never embraced the country and culture that they lived in which is the fundamental flaw in multiculturalism. In my opinion, when people immigrate to another country, they should try their best to adapt to their new country and culture and raise their kids to be proud citizens of their new country whilst still respecting their old country. Kilbane and Breen seem to be taking this way too personally!
Tell that quote to the British citizens living in the north of Ireland for the last 400 years who still to this day try not to connect with the word "Irish" They had 400 years to adapt and embrace our country and culture but instead came over and made sure that we learned all about theirs instead.
That's not an argument. Where do you think the Scots came from? It wasn't Scotland...
The Scots did come from Ireland. Then they dominated all of Scotland and imposed their culture on the natives just like the Angles and Saxons did in England. The British didn't do any different in Northern Ireland to what the Irish did in Northern Britain.
The Irish like to take the moral high ground but ultimately things turned out the way they did because England was stronger, nothing more.
@Kelborn Xx
I understand what you are saying but its very idealistic, and I mean that with all respect to you. I have experience of a similar situation which I won't bore you with ... but, the crux of the matter here is that neither Breen nor Kilbane were courted so publically by the England manager at such critical time in their own decision making, so they cannot put themselves in Rice's shoes. He's 20 so it may be down to his own personal feelings over the past few years as a footballer, or he is being advised that it is financially better to be connected to England, or maybe a bit of both. In the end its his decision so good luck to the young man. Not all circumstances are the same and I bet this wasn't easy for him or his family.
@@tc2664 true look at the rugby the lads support ireland up in the north yet would support england in football over the republic
I 💯% agree with kilbane Rice used Ireland simply for his own needs then he brings out a statement saying he his a proud Englishman it’s very hypocritical on Declan Rice but that’s football it always has been and will continue to be
what about Charlie McCann, played for England at U15/U16's and then shows up on the Ireland U17 squad in last years euros.
Shhhh that doesn’t fit the agenda
So much salt Kevin should be out gritting roads.
It will continue to happen while the FAI and the Welsh FA keep inviting English players with an Irish or Welsh grandparent to play for them at U16 level. You can’t expect a 16 year old to make life long decisions. I have enormous respect for Declan Rice to be true to himself. These two nations especially fast tracking young English talent into their own systems rather than invest in their own infrastructure is the root of the problem, not a young man being taken advantage of by lazy FA’s. This grandparent rule is a joke and I’m Scottish so I see it here with English boys representing our national team, but at least we don’t seem to prey on them at youth level.
Every single country does it. Portugal had 7 non nationals playing for them at the last world cup, Morroco had 17, Spain have 3 or 4. The entire French and German teams used to be made up of non nationals until very recently, now they are made up of the children of immigrants.
Bert Miles Well said mate.
the welsh fa actually tells those players to experience the english camp before making a permanent choice
Think we all know Wales, Ireland, Scotland are just rebound countries for English footballers who aren’t good enough for our international team.
What a weapon Kevin Kilbane is. Maybe stop poaching young players who can turn out for you because their great grandad knew a bloke who poked an Irish woman.
Stop poaching English players. It really is that simple.
Why play for Ireland? Perhaps it was because the Irish FA came over to England and coerced him to play for Ireland. When you're 16 you are not capable of making important, life-changing decisions.
That not how he was scouted tho
@whitemountain apache I agree, it's not about where you're born. For example, immigrants from Africa, Caribbean, etc,. move to England when they're 4 years old , they grow up English, come through the English system, e.g. Sterling isn't foreign.
English kids with Irish grandparents aren't Irish though, they don't feel Irish, they don't support Ireland. England isn't just their birthplace, it's their home.
There are outliers of course, but for the most part it's a correct statement.
Most who choose a foreign country(Ireland or Ivory Coast say) do so because they feel like their potential English career has passed them by.
I speak as someone who has Irish grandparents on one side of the family.
Give us back our one day test captain
Ireland does not have a proper professional league, so they have to get players this way. And the likes of McGrath, Robbie & Roy Keane had to move country to play pro football. Coerced him how?? You make it sound like the Irish FA did that at gunpoint. He could have said no and chose England at 16 but didn't. He wasn't a baby either and had his parents for advice. And what about Raheem Sterling or Owen Hargreaves? John Barnes? None were born in the UK. And Eric Dier? He came through the Portuguese football system, lived there longer. But thats okay I suppose when it suits England. Believe it or not the football world doesn't revolve around them.
Funny how it has never happened reverse though right?
Kevin kilbane comes across incredibly bitter and ignorant in this, as per. People can feel more than one nationality firstly and secondly you need to understand- something you cannot grasp for whatever reason- that it is perfectly reasonable to change the country you play for from the one you represented as a kid. The clue is in the fact you're a kid and vulnerable in a way to international scouts and there needs to be that scope to change your decision as an adult.
Born and raised in England, feels English, good enough to play for England right now tbh; end of story.
Of course, had this been the other way around, he wouldn't say a word about the player representing Ireland being plastic. As you say, bitter.
Who is to say that Declan Rice wasn't running around with an English shirt when he was 6 or 7. His idol was John Terry so he was very likely an England fan.
How many blatantly English players have used Irish grandparentage for their own gains? Hilarious to hear Kilbane talk about "us" with that glaring Mancunian accent. xD Full credit to the far more balanced and reasonable presenter.
Rice didn't use Ireland for anythin. He is just an outstanding footballer who on balance decided to play for the country he was born in. In the same way we would expect most poles, Nigerians, Romanians etc born here to play for us. Declan Rice is a decent lad who I hope does well for England.
Rice played 23 games for Ireland at all levels. If he was so 'decent' and passionate about England why do that? And I bet you'd be happy if a very talented young player with Nigerian heritage ditched England to play for Nigeria.
@@bobforton3722 He played for Ireland because he qualified for us , the fai facilitated it and I'm sure he was committed to Ireland when he played. He wasn to know his career would take such an upward curve that would attract a major power in football like England. I fully understand his decision and his recognition of his heritage at the same time.
So he can just choose to play for a better team because it suits him? That's like club football, which is what differentiates it from internationals where nations are limited by the players they can call up. I think Kilbane has a point about the rules needing changes. Players should decide after u21 level, they are old enough by then. If then they play any game at senior level for one country like Rice did, that's it, you cannot change. Even if its a friendly. And didn't he know the rules about all this? They are there for good reason.
@@bobforton3722 I'd agree with you Bob . The rules should be changed. I'd go as far as to say if you play at under 21 level for ur country that's it. No turning back. I think rice was genuine at the time he played for us but England came calling and he and his reps changed course. We should have capped him against Moldova and that would have put an end to it.
And this silly lame argument about how young he was when Ireland called him up? This is irrelevant. He has a family and agents, advisors, club officials etc. He's not some naïve lonely kid, he must have known what playing for one country meant with regards to the international rules. The truth is, more recently he started to get some attention playing for West Ham, and his agents thought he would be worth more as an England player. That is what all this is about.
Kevin kilbane with his broad Irish accent
Ha. I noticed that.
Kilbane scoring serious own goals on this
Ireland pick Fiji players for their rugby team so they can't really complain about England taking one of their own back.
England do the same flower
And England choose Kiwis and Springboks for theirs.
The way Kilbane is going on you'd think England and Ireland were mortal enemies. They aren't, and his views seem very outdated.
@S D so are loads of countries historically but they don't behave like they are today.
@S D you've just changed the argument there.
@S D yes you did. Nobody said that Irish are Brits. He said that he's behaving as if they're enemies when they're not.
@S D are you suggesting that the Irish hate the English? Some do, some don't. But any Irishman would be offended by the notion that they're British - and quite rightly, as they're not and never were (willingly).
@Mark Gable
Presumably you mean British government? I've been to Ireland 100 times and never had any problems. They all seem to quite like me to be honest.
I reckon 90% of English born players would have picked England first if they had the chance. Kilbane had an Irish mum and dad, but that's not typical.
When it comes to qualification through grandparents, almost none will be growing up as Irish fans. They pick it because it's a chance to play international football.
Kevin Kilbane is a legend. So proud of his country and passionate. 🇮🇪
Sounds English to me
@@sheslying7117 HE IS IRISH
Ryan Giggs played for England u16's but his heart was Welsh because of his mother.
Giggs was born in Cardiff to Welsh born parents.He represented England Schools because that's where he went to school.Any kid with any nationality on Earth who's family has moved to England ,as long as he's going to an English school,can do the same.That is how Ryan Giggs ending up representing England Schools.
Lol kevin kilbane is proper triggered.
@shaun muppet finder R u English or Irish mate?
If Kevin had been top notch ,he would have declared himself available for England.
He rejected England when they asked him to play for them you muppet.
Lucas Maximus yes,sorry I am muppet,my apologies,should have checked.
@@lmaximus5653 I'm sure they asked him hahah
Spot on comment
@@sheslying7117 Since you were only small when it happened i understand you are a little bit confused. You should thank me for my comment since you probably weren't watching football when Kilbane was in his prime 99-02.
Danny Murphy should’ve played for Ireland as well
Totally Agree with Kev on this
Kevin Kilbane born in Preston.
Didn't those world beaters McClean, Duffy & Gibson do the same for Northern Ireland?
Yep
Kevin Kilbane you are brilliant I enjoy listening to someone like you who speaks the truth.
Me personally, i wasnt angry when declan left west ham. We knew it was coming and it netted a lot of money. Its not the same thing.
All this because Southern Ireland had one good period due to one Englishman called Jack Charlton,he put a great team together due to English guys with a connection to the Republic,,nothing more,,it will never happen again though sadly.
Can’t wait to see Nathan Redmond line up in the next internationals a proud Irish man..
Redmond will never play for you and he will never be Irish. Get Ur own players
There will be a fair few 'proud Englishman' out there playing for other countries rn, it's not surprising either
You think that Declan had an agenda at 15, Kevin?? He didn't choose Ireland.....they chose him! It's the rules that are wrong.
He chose to play for Ireland he's a snake 🐍🐍⚽🐍🐍
Angers me that the basketball net behind Kevin Kilbane has been put on the wrong way round! This is such a common problem with people who buy basketball hoops!
Why is the “Irishman” on the right side of the panel complaining about a rule that applies to every nation? Have the ROI FA ever poached players being born outside of Ireland through a tenuous link? What’s the rule Kevin? Seems like someone is playing the victim here when a rule doesn’t suit him. Seems like case of feelings over facts.
Seems like Kevin just knows how everyone feels about their heritage and background. They have to feel just like him - or it’s unacceptable. 🙄
He plays in the most watched league in the world, England were sniffing around because of his performances for West Ham. He didn't need to use Ireland for an " audition".
Well this has been blown out of proportion
How can you be mad about him saying he is a proud english man? what is he meant to say?? "Not really that proud being english but looking forward to play for them"
Then he shouldn't of played for Ireland he's a snake 🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍
Just shut your cake hole Kilbane,Ireland have many players that originally played for other countries at youth level - Ray houghton,Kevin Sheedy
Houghton said he never felt '' The slightest Irish '' . Kilbane is obviously bitter, he is not Declan Rice & does not feel the way he does or has his personal background . It's entirely up to Rice , its nothing to do with Kilbane & although he has the right to his opinion there's plenty double standards to be had. Cascarino would have felt Enlgish I'm sure? & He has 88 caps for Ireland ...
Declan Rice played 3 senior games for Ireland.
Clinton Morrisson.
@@jm-np4mu Houghton told the story to Kilbane of how he and others who played in England went up to Scotland for U18 trials and were called 'anglos', treated badly and told to train away from the main group, Jack Charlton called him up when he played for Liverpool. Not much passion for his 'country' in that.
Its about senior games
“It’s nonsense” that statement makes complete sense. 😂
Great stuff Kev, if a dog is born in a stable is it a horse or a dog?? Of course it's a dog.
Kevin Kilbane is 100% pure blood Irish and a legend. How can any idiot question his loyalty or Irishness. Reared Irish, supported the Irish, brought up Irish, bled green. I know many a English born Irishman who are more Irish than most over here. Bet Kevin will be having a TAL tattoo 🇮🇪👍🇮🇪
Preston's finest Kevin Kilbane is about as Irish as a kangaroo.
Obafemi will be an irish legend!!!
Kevin kilbane has a good point , you should make the choice based on how you feel inside yourself ,that feeling is unlikely to change and so you should honour it .a feeling of nationship is just a game anyway,but is harmless in the context of sport . The issue is the greed for success, like a Man Utd fan jumping to Man City , the sort of thing seven year olds do. If it means anything at all ,then Kevin kilbane is right.
Has Kilbane ever actually lived in Ireland? I was born In England of Welsh parents and even though we spoke Welsh I was never in doubt that I would have played for England.
Wales over England all day. Beautiful people and country.
Rice won't win anything playing with the tans, should have played for his celtic DNA. His ancestors will be spinning in there graves.
Some extra salt with your pint of bitter there Kev?
He's a tool. For someone who was born and raised in England he really seems to have zero understanding of the dilemma Rice had.
He sounds like a far-right nutter. The concept of being proud of being two different things and having dual heritage seems beyond him.
Michael James couldn’t agree more. I think the fact he’s had his own identity questioned over the years has made him over compensate. If you had an English commentator sounding off like this he’d be called a dinosaur and rightly so
@@pete3861 if you had an English commentator sounding off like this he'd probably be taken off air.
@@jamesmason8436 Football is not politics you snowflake, he is passionate about being Irish and he thinks Rice abused a loophole in the system to steal another 'proud' Irishman's chance to play for Ireland. Kilbane never flirted with multiple countries to see what one better suited his needs i.e monetary, reputation. Kilbane has more understanding because he was 'loyal' when Rice was not.
@@lmaximus5653 Correct.
If u want to have a department solely there to seek out kids and scratch a irish link out and try to convince them early to play for Ireland, be prepared for this to happen when a lad hits 18 or 19 and can make a more informed decision. Kilbane is sooooo salty
easy to say by Kilbane, he wouldn’t have got in a single England squad so fair play to him for getting all those caps for the Republic, but Rice is a couple of generations from being Irish, he’s English and good luck to the boy, from a Scot.
He rejected the chance to play for England multiple times because he was a 'loyal' Irishmen. Do your homework before judging.
Lucas Maximus lol bollocks !
@@toddy505 Wow so much articulation when given facts. I am not going to turn this into childish slurs. He was in fact asked to play for England at u18 and up to further levels as well but he rejected in favor of playing for Ireland. In his Sunderland days he actually was good almost like seamus Coleman equivalent, but you were probably only a little fella then.
Lucas Maximus oh well i stand corrected, he’s a likeable fella and a great pundit, i just didn’t rate him at the very highest level though he did consistently play well for Ireland.
@@lmaximus5653 Kilbane claims he rejected the chance to play for England before playing for Ireland. Perhaps at youth level he may have, but he made his senior Ireland debut in 1997, at which point he was playing for West Brom in the second tier, so with respect I don't think he was getting any calls from England at that point.
how do you know Declan Rice wasn't running in the house in an England shirt when he was 6 or 7. Thus guy Kevin is too emotional and only keeps talking about how proud he feels to be Irish. The FAI should be targeting young English player with an Irish Granny to bolster their national team.
Think you mean shouldn’t be as imo we can produce our own home grown talent
He made both sides of his family proud so what’s the fecking problem
Where was you born KK? Nice Irish accent there mate. You were never good enough for us. So you rocked up for Ireland. Ireland have been tapping up young English talent for a long time. Nice to get one over them. He was born in England. His dad is English. No problem being pround of your heritage. This is just sour grapes
Immigrants Of her feel stronger about the country that afforded them more opportunities them their home countries. Kevin assuming a lot of stuff. People are individuals and they all feel different and make different decisions. Get over it Kev
I agree with you, but it's worth remembering that Rice is English born and raised, plays for an English club and is (I believe) half English by birth. He's not an immigrant!
If Ireland didn't have a policy of poaching English players then it's unlikely he ever would have had to make a decision. He would simply have played for England (or not) and that would have been that.
End of the day it's the rules that need to be changed rather than it mattering what the lad feels country wise
Did the Irish system use rice or did rice use the Irish system..🤷♂️
Rod Barrett Seriously ??
Yep those 3 international friendlies were key in his audition. Definitely nothing to do with his premier league form. Bore off Kevin.
Good man Kevin! Said it like it is.
Simple solution. Stop going after players whose grandfathers cat has irish roots.
Michael obafemi was born in Dublin Ireland htf could he be a proud Englishman
I agree with Kevin, I am in the game of honesty...not money or silly moves. Declan knew the pot he would stir.
Kevin Kilbane has this all wrong! There is nothing wrong with a guy being a proud "whatever-man" and still be proud and happy and eager to play for Ireland. The likes of e.g. Andy Townsend was a great servant for us. He COULD have been called up by England. He wasn't. He was called up by Ireland and was great for us. If Declan Rice had been played in a competitive match the same would have happened. We would have been delighted, as Irish football supporters, and he would have been fantastic for us. Also, Kevin Kilbane's commentary does not help the England players that could come and play for us and be proud to do so. Moreover, Kevin Kilbane's attitude is rubbish in the modern Ireland that we live in, one that is populated by individuals of all nationalities. They can be proud of their heritage and play for Ireland. Get a grip Kev!
He is not making it an identity issue you are. He has a problem with Rice abusing a loophole in the system, and flirting with multiple countries to see which one suited his needs i.e money, reputation with English clubs
Rice played for Ireland happily as a youth player. He was not looking for a loophole... @@lmaximus5653
Did you just assume his nationality?
104 million pound player and left West Ham a hero.. moral of the story stop going abroad and stealing other nations juniors..
I think Kevin kilbane would have played for Ireland no matter what. The problem I have with rice he played for senior team. Yes can say u16 u18 doesn't count yes he was born in England but still took 3 senior caps.
well said kilbane. rice has treated the irish with utter contempt. will be hilarious if the carpetbagger ends up with just a few caps for his beloved england
Kevin, stop playing the thought police. By the way Kev how many league of Ireland clubs did you play for? What did you do for the development of grass-roots Irish football? If I'm wide of the mark, I apologise, but didn't you play for the whole of your career in English football? You actually don't know growing up who you want to play for. Well not in every case. I always wanted to please my dad and opt for Ireland. However I've always followed and feel an immense affinity for the England football team. Secretly I'd have wanted to represent England, but felt some degree of pressure to honour my father.
Great to see it serves ROI rite.. considering the amount of players they hav stolen from northern ireland... Jus a wee gling on to britian now
The Republic have never taken a player from Northern Ireland that has made a senior International cap......its a shame Northern Ireland cant say the same thing about taking players from the Republic with International caps.
@@chriswhamilton wot about northern Irelands.. mcclean... Just to name 1 cmon dnt let yourself look daft on RUclips bita research an you wouldn't of made a clown of yourself
@@stuartsloan6526 I never said the Republic didnt take players with youth appearances. I said they never took players with senior appearances however Northern Ireland did. James McLean never had a senior international cap for Northern Ireland. Alex Bruce had 2 senior caps for the Republic of Ireland before Northern Ireland came and stole him. Come on, don't make yourself look daft on RUclips. Do a bit of research and you wouldn't have made a clown of yourself.
An again you reep wot you sow 👍👍👍
@@chriswhamilton
Stole Alex Bruce?? Ah the irony...
Kilbane sounds really Irish
He Is !
Let be honest, kilbane u was never good enough to play for England that's why ur played for Ireland now ur making out to a proud non Irishman 😂
Marc he was called up to the English squad before Ireland came calling, he refused an English call up because he only wanted to play for Ireland. He was always a proud Irishman. You're an idiot.
@@user-fw3hp7bb6d Not the full team I`m sure
I couldn't understand Kilbane, his Irish accent was to strong.
ROI stole McClean from Northern Ireland and McGeady from Scotland
Mcclean is one of the proudest Irishmen there is. He would prefer to stand on a board of 6 inch nails in preference to God save the queen.
Shrewd, cold and calculated business move by Declan. Love it. The man owes nothing to anybody only himself. We are in this world for a short time, do the best you can for yourself.
To hell with everyone else,eh?
God no. Just don’t make decisions based apon the opinions of complete strangers. It’s a business. He’s not Irish. If he was it wouldn’t even be a question or a decision.
Gary O'Driscoll go away and join him true irishmen don't jump ship end of story
@@seamusgallagher9872 But hes not a true Irishman, for if he was.... it wouldn't even be a decision. It should be a privilege to wear the green of Ireland. The lad didn't give a toss, and why should he? He's not even Irish?? But he used the situation to better himself in a money hungry business, and that I can respect. The man isn't Irish lol!!
Gary O'Driscoll how can repect that. Capalimism and materialism will destroy the soul of us. He should never have got the chance to carry on like that. Football is destroyed to many foreign players here. Not enough players coming through and countries fighting over the few that's here. This would not have happened. 30 years ago because England had enough players to put 5 teams out another reason for brexit
Kilbane is spot on! He used Ireland as an audition for England.
Over here in America this is a big issue with mexican americans. But as a USMNT fan I can't complain...we poach every continent looking for players
No one talks about David brooks plays for Wales now.
Declan was born in London ? He's not Irish
Anthony Helm what about Cockney Tony Cascarino and Glaswegian Ray Haughton ... Just for starters
Raheem Sterling wasn't born in the UK either.
@@zidanezizu4873 what about Canadian Owen Hargreaves, Jamaican Barnes and Sterling.....Just for starters.
Then he shouldn't of played for Ireland 🇮🇪⚽ he's a snake 🐍🐍🐍🐍
Kevin kilbane spot on.
Rice's statement left us in no doubt, where he stands, I am a proud English man, & also proud of my family's Irish heritage, letting us know he's not proud of his heritage
I suppose FIFA are in a difficult position, how do you tell someone what their nationality is?
You dont, you just dont let them play senior international football for one team then allow them to switch teams.
brilliant kilbane
say what you think buddy
Zinedine dishing out the facts
Not facts though is it. Anyone with dual nationality should understand it. Kilbane should but doesn't, but I do.
Why don't you stop poaching youth players who need games then
im a west ham fan but its hard to disagree with Kevin here. I love Declan but you do have to question hes loyalty.
He'll jump ship on the hammers too in time
Obafemi very irish name...
You spelled it wrong. It's O'bafemi
Dosent matter lol still not a irish name
If I was born in Nigeria, would I be Nigerian? If I was born in Japan, would I be Japanese?
What defines a Pakistani name, a Nigerian name?
What defines a Pakistani name? A Nigerian name?
Kilbane trying to do an Irish accent 😂 then realised he wasn't Irish 😂😂😂🇬🇬
Kevin Kilbane played for Ireland to audition for England,failed miserably 😂😂😂😂😂
He rejected england u18 invitation rice didn't even get one he always wanted to play for Ireland get ur facts straight
adithya kallapiran still failed miserably 😂