Drill table troubles… Repairing the table and machining an insert.
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- Опубликовано: 5 янв 2024
- A new drill in the workshop requires some tlc to sort some mistakes from a previous life.
In this video we need to machine out the damage so we can repair the table. With the new hole, the next job will be to manufacture an insert to fit snugly so the hole will be covered when not needed, and accessible if a job requires it.
Cast iron isn’t the easiest material to work with, especially as it being done with an unfamiliar machine! Hopefully the repair goes smoothly…
What do you think to this repair, would you have done it a different way? Maybe weld in a plug, replace the table, or just leave?
maybe a similar repair for that one little hole
@jmpiv4 your not the only one that’s said that! A countersunk screw is the way to go I think to make use of the pre-drilled hole! Should keep the insert in place too
I think I would have done it the same way.
Nice to see an old tool get some love and a better chance in retirement... RUclips suggested you and for once it didn't disappoint. Cheers from Canada.
Thank you for taking the time to leave a comment. I always wonder how folk find the channel so it’s great to hear you found me on a suggested video and decided to click.
Yes it is, they always tend to be better quality than the modern day equivalents, but it’s far better than seeing them go to scrap. It’s something I do too much of really, getting an unloved machine and repairing but there’s no greater satisfaction!
There will be more like it so stick around if you enjoyed 👍
Interesting concept to make the center look better. Amazing to see that most anyone that has a bench top or floor model drill press also has little holes in the table area. As much as we try, we do make mistakes and accidently drill into the table. But if you never use such tools, you never make such mistake holes... Thumbs Up!
There aren’t too many options really which something like this. Another way to freshen it up would be to install 10mm plate onto the table, weld around the periphery (maybe a couple of areas in the middle too) and machine flat but that is overkill for a drill… otherwise it’s a matter of fitting some scrap into the hole and welding around it. Short of recasting a new table anything is going to be obvious…
Having been in industry a number of years, I would blame carelessness over anything. And because most equipment comes from industry, it’s been subject to that carelessness. But yes a momentary lapse of focus can result in mistake and as you say, if you don’t do anything you’ll never make a mistake!!
My Sunday best drill has a flawless table, so I hope to keep it in that same condition.
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Sounds like This Old Tony's been spending time in the UK!
Haha! Yorkshire Tony! You aren’t the first to make that comment. I’d be lying if I said he hasn’t had any influence on the style of this content. I always liked the balance of rambling stories and clever engineering, but figured it was missing a friendly Yorkshire accent! It’s just difficult to limit the talking, I could do a three hour video and easily talk for four!
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Very nicely done !
Nice, careful work, and pretty too. Not being a fabricator I had to wait to see how you'd do it. Cool!
Thank you for leaving a comment, hope you enjoyed it! Not many options with this but it’s at least slightly better than it was…
Great save on someones bodge, most pivoting drill presses have a clearence hole for through drilling, lot easier now to add, and chip catcher.
Table looks a lot better now 👍.
Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for leaving a comment! Since posting, and thinking about people’s comments, I’ve thought about putting a bag beneath the table so I can just pop the insert out and sweep all the swarf in! These Meddings definitely didn’t have a hole, but there’s some extra functionality I can now explore thanks to some comments.
Thanks again for watching, hope you enjoyed 👍
While you had the insert on the lathe you could have made some shallow cuts at regular intervals from the centre to provide a simple visual guide when lining up the work piece. Just a thought.
Good work 👍
Thanks for the comment! Never crossed my mind to be honest, I was looking for a clean look but I like the concept, a bit like a bulls eye! Problem is although it’s central(ish) to the table it might not be central to the quill… I haven’t checked yet, still getting the drill back up and running!
Well enjoyed the video 👍
Huge appreciation from a fellow yorkie! Thank you for the feedback and leaving a comment! 👍
Glad I found your video. Nice job, thanks, helps a lot.
Thanks for the comment! I appreciate the feedback and there will be plenty more like this in the future 👍
Great idea!
Thanks for the comment 👍
Well done.
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Fantastic idea and excellent repair! This video absolutely earned my subscription!
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Handsome repair. 👍
Thank you! Hope you enjoyed 👍
Nice job mate!
Thank you, appreciate the comment 👍
Nice repair job.
You really fixed it up.
Thanks for sharing.
Have a great day.
Just subscribed to your channel.
Thank you for taking time to leave a comment, I appreciate the feedback. Nice to know I’ve got another on board! Stay tuned for more 👍
Excellent result. Looks very good and multifunctional too. Well done. Very pleased to have discovered your channel. 👏👏👍😀
Thank you for the support and feedback! I appreciate the time taken to leave a comment. There’s plenty more in the pipeline so be sure to stick around 👍
@@theyorkshirefabshop8776 Definitely going to stick around and look at your previous content. However, I can’t find episode 1 of the Elliot Drill Press restoration? 🤔
@andrewdolinskiatcarpathian it’s a bit of confusion with the labelling, my fault but the restoration series was meant to be a series all on its own, so the Elliott featured in episode two, and various other bits of kit restored in other episodes. The mill and the lathe will feature in one too at some point, but I can’t be without them at the moment!
@@theyorkshirefabshop8776 Thank you. I’ll enjoy taking a look. Good luck with all your work. 👍😀
I miss this old tony.
The repair looks like it could have been done at the factory. I have a larger hole made by the factory in my Powermatic drill press table. This machine is designed for wood workers, so often large holes may be drilled in wood on the table. The factory had a plastic plug. I replaced with a plug made from walnut. I have a lot more pieces of wood in my shop than steel or aluminium.
Cheers from eastern PA, USA. Presently snowing.
Thank you for the feedback! Interesting point about woodworking, I hadn’t considered that to be a possibility as I am solely metalworking. I can see an advantage to having a large diameter hole in a table as it’s not convenient to mount most woodworking items in an engineering vice! Thanks for watching and commenting 👍
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Great! Lots in the pipeline so hopefully you stick around! 👍
Good repair, well worth doing. It prevent thing dropping through the hole, which would be annoying.
Thank you, bit of a long winded repair but if only for the reason you mention it’s worthwhile! The chuck wouldn’t have fit but drills definitely would have!
Put a little color matched bondo in those other holes.
Thank you for the suggestion. That had crossed my mind, and I did consider doing just that but they don’t bother me enough to feel the need to do anything about them. I do have a little pot on the shelf if I change my mind!
you could make a nested of series drop in rings one smaller than the next so you can drill various size holes by just removing some of those
There’s always scope to change things with this in the future if need be! I don’t think I’ll ever need to use the hole but it’s always there if I do
If the other bits continue to bother you, you could clean them and fill with brass or silver solder and stone flat. But I would just leave it as is now. The top hat plug looks great
Thanks for the suggestions, I filled a table last year with TIG and nickel filler which worked well but if the hole wasn’t absolutely clean it made a bit of a mess, I presume soldering would be the same… someone else suggested filling with epoxy metal which would also be fine but I’ve drawn the same conclusion as you, it’ll be fine as is! Thanks for taking time to leave a comment 👍
Nice work. Do you think the insert would spin and break bits if the bits catch the insert? Maybe a pin or grub screw on the edge would keep it from spinning. If there’s room.
Yes, I suppose it could but I’m not planning on having a drill come into contact with the table whilst it’s in my possession… a great suggestion by someone in the comments was to use the remaining hole alongside a countersunk fastener to retain the insert and prevent rotation. I’ll see how it goes, there will be a vice mounted almost permanently so the insert might not see the light of day again!
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I think the way you did it is exactly what I would have done. Those tiny holes further out, I might fill them by brazing, but even body filler or something would be good enough, since those areas shouldn't be seeing the broad side of a bit anyway
Thank you for the comment! Yes I’ve got a few options including filling with various media, but the best (suggested in the comments) using a countersunk fastener in the largest remaining hole to act as an anti rotation and retaining device. I’m going to leave it for now and if it bugs me I’ll do something about it. But no, you’re quite right that table shouldn’t ever see another drill any time soon!
Hope you enjoyed 👍
@@theyorkshirefabshop8776 Ooh! I didn't even consider that, but it sounds genius! And I did enjoy the video, thank you for sharing your time with us!
The “damage” in the table was called apprentice marks when I was young 😊
Yes, I know it as the same. This was far from apprentice marks though, those are usually mistakes but this was certainly deliberate! All sorted now though!
I like what you did. The little beauty marks could probably be TIG welded or brazed, but it's a tool, so why bother?
Agreed, I don’t need to do anything more with it as it’ll be getting used as it should. Maybe if it was going on the mantlepiece it would be a different matter!
That's looks like a nice lathe why do you keep it such condition? Please clean
Kit from down under
You are right, it is a nice machine and it does deserve looking after! It’s not an excuse but I was between projects so hadn’t had chance to clean from the last one. The ways are always covered to protect from rust and it’s tidied after every big job. A machinists job isn’t finished until you can eat dinner off the machine!
Dont most drill tables have a hole in the middle ? And if not, why ?
Very few metal working drills have holes in the tables because the workpieces are usually held in a vice, so there’s no need to drill below the surface of the table. That’s my take on it anyway!
@@theyorkshirefabshop8776 understood, no idea why that slipped my mind. Maybe because mine has a hole and I use it for the occasional wood work.
That isn’t necessarily right, just my best guess! My Elliott 2gs has a hole in the centre of the table, but it doesn’t have tee slots like the meddings…
Tap the remaining hole and put a bolt in. A bit of filing to remove the head.
What a great idea! A countersunk bolt would not only make use of that hole but would also retain the insert! I like your thinking 👍 part 2 maybe??
You don`t need a boring head, just a round rod of steel and a broken drill or a tap and two setscrews will do you well, especially if you just need to make a nice round bore without too many size changes... It`s the o.g. style boring bar/head that works marvelously... Sure, you need to make a few holes, maybe turn down the end of the shank to adapt the thing to your machine that will be using it, but if i need a boring bar for something that my current collection doesn`t fit, it`s the way i take to make it... Boring heads are cool and all, but they are fiddly, fucky and annoying to deal with due to mass imbalance and other issues... A rod with a tooth is much more balanced and if you can hold it securely, it can offer much more rigidity when compared to a boring head-cutter bar which is always quite small in dia... It`s practically just a line-boring bar used in a drill or a mill, that is if you have a lathe to adapt it to whatever holding system the machine uses... But for this, the flycutter was a good idea too!
Also, i`m thinking of salvaging a little WMW pillar drill... I`ll have to check her out, as she has been tossed like a piece of shit, but there ain`t no damage that a loving hand can`t mend, lest we are talking broken castings, but normal crap and wear, that can be handled... I don`t need her one bit, but i would love to pick her up, save her from the chinese foundries and sell her off to a loving and worthy caretaker such as yourself... Now, this ain`t an offer, it`s just a figure of speech, so don`t take it as an offer, it`s just me rambling and asking for potential advice... I am already in over my head with projects, but fuck it, i need a new shop, and until then, i can`t do much with my large machines, but i can restore a 163kg baby drill which rivals import mills in every aspect... I just hope she will sell in due time, as i absolutely don`t need another machine... It`s just the boat anchor syndrome running the show and making me have great sympathy for a small art-piece in iron...
Nice job btw, it turned out nice, It also allows you to use the stepped bore to take similar inserts with bronze bushings in the center, and essentially line bore vertically or counterbore a through hole with aforementioned boring bars... It would be an odd job in a sense, but hell, you could literally use it to line bore small engine block cylinders or such wonky stuff if you needed to do so and the lathe was unavailable for some reason... Quite nice job indeed...
All the best and kind regards!
Steuss
Wow, thanks for the comment, but where I do I start!!
You are certainly right about the boring head, especially on a machine with a MT3 spindle. I doubt I’d have been taking 1mm depth of cut with any boring head of a suitable size for this machine… I’m quite used to large, quality heads with an iso50 taper in machines weighing many tonnes which would munch through that with ease, a little Chinese head wouldn’t be in the solar system in terms of quality or ability.
But yes, for this job the fly cutter was ideal, although I wouldn’t have wanted too much more stick out that that. Worth noting I’d ground the tool so the bottom of the step was flat, obviously a fly cutter holds tooling at an angle and if I’d have machined down like that the bottom would have been angled.
MWM is good gear from my limited experience. See a few items pop up now and again. A broken casing isn’t quick or easy to fix, but bearings, spindles, tables etc are easy to sort with time and motivation. As you say, it’ll be miles better than any modern equivalent. I’d happily take on another if the price is right, knowing full well I’ve got 20 other projects yet to start or complete…
That’s a great comment about the extra functionality of it now though, I hadn’t even thought about it but a bronze bush or bearing housing in the bottom and suitable boring bar arrangement would make a great tool for items that don’t fit in the lathe. I can’t guarantee that the new hole it central but it probably not far off. Too far? I’d have to clock it and find out.
@@theyorkshirefabshop8776
Yeah, a large machine with a good setup, even with a good boring head can do marvelous work, but as you said, we are now talking 2-7 tonne machines, and while i am in that range with some of my machines, such machines are really not something that most people have at hand, especially not in a home shop... Which is why i now need a new shop - i overcrowded my garage shop beyond any sensible point... I just can`t help it when i see a lovely machine with some superficial wear being condemned to crushers...
Speaking of projects, yeah, i get you... And the price IS right, and i need a project that i can work on - as all of my projects are my machines that need restoration or maintenance, which ain`t happening in this current shop... And it is a damn good little drill, literally lightyears ahead of modern crap, be it scheppach, bosch, b&d or whoever... Spiral groove pillar - solid rod, heavy base, heavy head, gearbox drive, the whole lot, and 163kg of a workbench machine...
The bushing idea came to mind as i already have a drill somewhat akin to yours, which needs quite a rebuild, so i considered such thoughts... Sure, it could be fiddly, but it could allow for some specific tasks which are otherwise quite hard to achieve...
All the best!
Steuss
Nice job , it’s horrible to see drill tables abused in this way.
I don’t think there’s ever a legitimate excuse for drilling into a table , you wouldn’t accept losing a finger as part and parcel of the job so why accept the holes in the table ???
Sorry about the rant just it’s a pet hate of mine.
I think there remaining small holes could be fixed by means of drilling + reaming them to the next size up e.g. 6mm ? And then putting in a little bit of steel stock and final dressing in position for perfect finish.
If they were a little loose obviously locktite could be used.
Great video , iv watched a few of yours now 👍🏻
Thank you for taking time to leave a comment! Yes it’s an annoyance of mine too, short of lack of care or a moment of insanity there isn’t really an excuse for drilling into tables… it takes two mins to prop a workpiece on parallels or a suitable lump of timber.
I’ve had a few great suggestions for dealing with the remaining damage but I’m pretty happy with the condition now so I don’t feel compelled to do any more. Not with a load of other higher priority tasks to do in the meantime.
Thanks for sticking with the channel, I hope you continue to enjoy my content! 👍
it is always the issue with preloved tools... the previous owner fell out of love with it before you got it...
Definitely, the Elliott I’ve got (and featured in a video last year) was probably worse because the damage was so widespread. This will do for the time being but I’m going to be hard pressed to decide whether to use this, the Elliott or the arboga! Not forgetting the little fobco too but that’s also wants some love…
Why don't you copy this old tony
A valid point, but impossible not to have a similar delivery style to another creator in this very congested space. I tried presenting with my feet instead but you wouldn’t believe how difficult it is to weld like that!!
Why, why why do so many RUclips content creators feel the need to have their hands in the shot for no other reason than to make unnecessary gestures? Use your hands for demonstrating, or for a meaningful purpose. It should be natural, and not forced. But right out the gate, the first shot is a coffee cup, and a pair of hands making gestures. I can think of ONE or maybe two RUclipsrs who can pull off this goofy conceit, and still make it interesting and funny. A talking head shot, or some B roll of the subject matter is a better option for everyone else.
Thank you for the feedback. We’ve all got to find our feet so to speak, and some constructive criticism goes a long way. I’ll take that on board and see if I can make the opening scenes a little more interesting. It’s difficult when there’s a lot more to talk about than there is to actually show, and I can certainly talk! You should see how long some of the intros were before most of it was binned for fear of folk dropping to sleep…
Also don’t forget for many creating content is simply a hobby, something to do in between work, life and the rest of it. The vast majority aren’t looking to be the next highly polished 1m sub channel although it would certainly be nice if it happened!
But seriously, thanks for the feedback, I appreciate the time you’ve taken to leave a comment 👍
Its to try and piggy back off this old tony
@@natejones1235doubt it. The guy basically just admitted to doing this as a hobby, not a career, and is probably shy of his face. Stop the hate?
@natejones1235 if he was piggy backing off this old Tony, he'd be telling dad jokes. He doesn't do that at all, and doesn't focus his camera nearly the same, or use animations. This is a man doing stuff in his garage and filming it, not nearly the same angle.
It’s the internet so to be expected. There aren’t many ways to present while remaining anonymous and I like that I’ve got the option to do so with this delivery style. Yes it’s very similar to others but no matter what delivery style, with the amount of content creators about it’s very difficult not to be doing what’s been done by others.
Nice to see you’ve noticed it’s not meant to be a direct copy of TOT, although yes I have been inspired by his channel. I think my subject topics are different enough to not be a copy but he’s done so much it’s hard not to. There is an old saying that the imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Maybe we’ll do a colab in the future?
Not very original presentation style. This old Tony does it better.
Yes you’re absolutely right. Not too many ways of being original in a very crowded space unfortunately… and I’d be pretty upset if I were doing a better job than TOT considering my inexperience and time constraints! Just hoping I can produce something that one or two enjoy and learn from 👍