If Toho made it clear a Godzilla multiverse is canon, then eldritch Kaiju like Void Ghidorah or maybe Godzilla Ultima not being tied to one piece of media and be appear in any Godzilla media really can really fit.
It's actually extremely fascinating how Void King Ghidorah can potentially literally enter other Godzilla series/eras such as with him possibly hunting down Ultima. Good video bro! 👏
Honestly, more like the Black Winter of Godzilla. You know how Galactus creates heralds to go and act in his name? Galactus is that to the Black Winter. Galactus eats planets, the Black Winter eats universes.
I feel the reason why void Ghildorah was slept on is cause how weird the three movies were, they've been used to the more general approach of godzilla and not a Lovecraftion edition
The fact that Void seemingly showed up in the Heisei universe if that poster is to be believed can only mean one thing... Godzilla the Planet Eater takes place before the Heisei era, and that poster is the last time Void Ghidorah was ever seen.
Great Video, Void Ghidorah is such a horrifying and fascinating version of Ghidorah, being a higher dimensional destroyer of the universe, possessing such raw cosmic power, higher dimensional intelligence,being able to bend,create loops in space and time, devouring entire planets and stars with Super Gravity and especially the fact Void Ghidorah actually might be hunting for Godzilla Ultima is actually pretty haunting and cool.
Void Ghidorah is truly a monster it’s a shame we don’t get to see his full body and had to be in a bad movie but man his design, origin, and personality, is insane
I agree. They're so underrated, like their animations itself deserves more fame and popularity than the anime! Literally, everything about the animations are just perfection!
While I agree he is 4th dimensional through Hyperversal I don’t think that the “moving stars” feat shouldn’t be counted considering that black holes bend and distort light making it look like the stars are moving.
You forgot to mention the one weakness void Ghidorah has. It's that without an anchor his avatar was very very vulnerable to Godzilla earths assault. The mc destroyed the anchor in the elsifs eye and made Ghidorahs avatar to be brought down to this plane hence he tried to flee when that happened
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 true but it was his avatar honestly if he actually entered the universe it would literally be the big bang 2.0 that's probably why he uses an avatar
I hate how movies and TV shows absolutely HOE kaijus for the sake of plot. It just makes them look weak and dumb which is why so many people don't take them seriously
Hold TF UP If void G is possibly looking for ultima . . . Then is the GODZILLA MULTIVERSE canon? WTF. Also void G appearing in the background of different posters is sooooo cool. Hes just somehwere in the universe of each era. And doesnt that mean that eventually ultima will fight void G inevitability. Because that would be the most chaotic & important fight in the kaiju multiverse. WHY ARE WE IGNORING THIS
Ghidorah needing to use a avatar to exist in another universe reminds me of darkseid who also has to use a avatar otherwise his true form would've destroyed the dc universe .
Good video. While I have no disagreements with your scale itself, I do have some info to show you regarding the thumbnail to this video. None of this is to try and prove goku beats x character, and I'm really only writing this becasue I'm new to the channel and I've noticed you've been talking about dragonball a few times, and I hope this can help you in the future. Also, I just want to say I'd never have brought this up if you hadn't mentioned goku in the thumbnail. People tend to downplay the cosmology of dragonball a lot, and while big name people are starting to finally accept some of the guidebook statements for the afterlife due to people like atari hmb who've gone far and beyond in validating the translations, there's still a lot of disagreements. What I'm referring to is a guidebook statement for dragonball that says the otherworld, "transcending dimensions that cannot be perceived from the human world". There are more statements re affirming that the otherworld/afterlife transcends the dimensions of the living world, even those we can't perceive. Keep in mind, the otherworld is said to be the same size as the living universe, which is stated to be "An infinite space of light and darkness where the unknown lives" -daizenshuu 4 (pg 18). There are also two other guides that re afirm the base universe to be infinite in size. So if we take all of this at face value, the afterlife would be 4D since the base universe is 3D. And since infinity of a dimensional structure is low end +1D higher, that would make it a low 5D structure. However, not many people know about it, but there is a 4D structure in the living world dbz universe. The pendulum room in dragonball is a place referenced to in both dragonball and dragonball z. Mr. Popo says it's a place where "Past, present, and future are mixed". He also says "Past, present, future. All of time is created inside this room". When entering this room, goku time traveled to the past and talked to young master roshi. In dbz, the z fighters used the room and fought saiyans from the past. Now I've seen some people argue that the pendulum room is greater than 4D because it's said to literally create all of time, but I think even those skeptical of it should be able to agree that it's gotta be atleast a 4D structure. This exists in the living world and is unable to be perceived by normal mortals. This fits perfectly into the description of the afterlife transcending the dimensions of the living world. Which would make the afterlife baseline 5D, and if you use the fact that it's infinite, you can get the afterlife to a low 6D structure. Keep in mind goku and beerus's clashes were going to not just physically destroy it, but as the show says, "There will be nothing left of the universe", "It will turn into a vacuum made of nothingness". I just want to leave two sources here for people who want to check my info. ATARi_HMB is a great scaler and he goes over everything I mentioned and much more. He scales goku a bit higher than I did here but he's by no means a goku wanker. My second source, which I am extremely fond of, comes from a reddit thread on r/powerscaling made by a guy who goes by the username Profectusinfinity. His post is titled "It's about time we discussed dragon ball's afterlife scans". This is genuinely one of the most comprehensive and well made posts I have ever seen when it comes to powerscaling. When I say he addresses everything, I mean he addresses EVERYTHING. Not only does he have all the original sources given and sited, but he even went out of his way to pay three professional translators to translate the afterlife scans so he could cross reference them with each other. And I know what you're thinking, "It's a reddit post, how good could it be?". I'd just like to point you twards zeno on the vsbattle wiki. Notice how he's 1-c? He was 2-c just like every single dragonball character on there, including XENO GOKU. This reddit post was the main argument given to vsbattle when determining if zeno should qualify as 1-c, and it worked. I'm sure most of you are already aware of this, but vsbattle wiki is notorious for lowballing most characters to a comical level. I'm not just talking about dragonball characters, they have basically every version of superman other than cosmic armor at 2-c (lower than complex multiversal, lower than 5D). Heck, they rank cosmic armor superman at mid hyperversal level lol. Good video, I have no issues with it. Hope you can use the info I listed in the future. Have a great day!
Sorry to burst your bubble but this is garbage scaling. The statements only get the Afterlife to 4D. Time encompasses the macrocosm and even worse, all 12-18 macrocosm are engulfed in the timeline. This at most makes the timeline a 5D structure, but canon Goku doesn't scale to it at all. Only game Goku, who has other 5D feats, has such scaling as this. The pendulum room is clearly no longer canon, not in Kai, GT, Super, or any of the games which all have much different explanations for time in the verse.
@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 Not exactly the response I was expecting, that response seems kinda unprofessional. I have not mocked or belittled you in any way, there's no reason to do so twards me. Time doesn't exist in the afterlife, which is stated more than a few times in both the show and guides. I know there are inconsistencies with time not being in the afterlife, but said inconsistencies can be chalked up to bad writing. There is clearly author intent to have the afterlife be free of time. There are more than a few inconsistencies in godzilla powerscalling as well, so please don't hold a double standard. While you can argue the pendulum room scene from dbz specifically isn't cannon to the anime since kai cut it, it was still in dragonball as well, and original dragonball is still considered completely cannon to anime of dbz kai and super. You can argue the pendulum room isn't in the manga, but given how wildly different the dbs manga and anime can be I think it's more than fair to consider them different things, but the anime is still considered a mainline cannon. But even if you still don't want to count the pendulum room, the afterlife is stated to be the same size as the living universe, which is stated 3 separate times in guides to be infinite. And if the afterlife is baseline 4D as you say, then it being infinite would make it low 5D. I still think that since the pendulum room has its own arc in og dragonball it should 100% be counted as cannon for the anime, but I can agree that the z fighters entering it in dbz is likely not considered cannon anymore. Although it was in dragonball, not dbz, that Mr. Popo said all of time was mixed and that all of time was created in the pendulum room. The "created all of time" part seems unreasonable, but goku literally time traveled by entering that room, so it HAS to be at least 4D. Again I'm not trying to downplay any godzilla characters or characters in general, I have nothing against any of your scales, I just think there's sufficient evidence to prove that goku is low to mid complex multiversal. I do highly implore you to check my sources, not just to verify what I say, but because I view both as exceptional. And come on, if vsbattle wiki of all things can be convinced by it, then you know it's good.
@zombie9865 yo dude....I read your 2 comments as well as the reddit posts you talked about...and I can confidently say....EVERYTHING IS PERFECT. The amount of research that you and the other guy you mentioned went into is genuinely amazing Keep it up👍
Great video on the underrated and underutilized Cosmic Horror Dragon, Void Ghidorah cuz he’s pretty horrific and Op when you look into it lol Godzilla Ultima when? Lol Need to see you do a video on them fighting too, I hope we see it happen for real in the show or something tbh I don’t agree with him being below Showa especially not consistently but if we down scale Heisei I can see the argument yet the down scaling isn’t enough to get him high enough imo, idk maybe Showa Ghidorah is stronger than I thought yet I doubt he can even counter all his Haxs imo Heisei & Grand King and Void are all debatable in who wins the fight tbh But King Ghidorah in GiH Wins ofc More Halloween content is a W!
this was peak. please tell me we're getting a godzilla ultima scale soon. alternatively a godzilla ultima vs void ghidorah video would also go hard asf with your scaling.
The fact that while he is not the strongest of all versions of Ghidorah, but still being that scary speaks a lot. Also he and Ultima are the only kaijus from Reiwa Era to even be considered on a almost similar level as Showa's Supergravity.
Oh no they are bare minimum on par or possibly superior cuz Void Ghidorah has his own super gravity and more consistent higher dimensional shit than Showa and same for true form Ultima in the Novels but Heisei is another story ofc. Heisei King Ghidorah or Grand King Ghidorah are debatable on who is stronger between them, and it’s debatable how they do against Void Ghidorah’s true form but the strongest King Ghidorah is of course from Godzilla in Hell.
@@LeaderOfTheLostSoulsThis is the first Ghidorah that got me scared, with the others i saw them as badass three headed dragons that put their respective Godzillas to their limits, but Void Ghidorah i saw him as a bizarre being.
@@marcosviniciusdossantos2402 That’s Kool and makes sense cuz he is an abstract cosmic horror from a higher plane of existence seeing us as just food, this is some Cthulhu Mythos shit lol
Excellent job with this analysis. I absolutely hate Void Ghidorah with a passion for his atrocious design, no characterization, and not being stricken from the Godzilla franchise canon. But this generic, piss colored, triple headed, spiny, trash, noodle is undeservingly one of the strongest kaiju in the franchise.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 King Titan vs MV godzilla I mean, which is like extremely comparable. King Titan straight stomps MV unless you use LOM shi
So, basically, Goku is a goner if he ever faced Void Ghidorah. He could go Mastered Ultra Instinct Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken x1,000,000,000,000 and still would get consumed by the eldritch golden noodle. But if you know Goku, you would know he isn't going to stand there and allow himself to get eaten. He will be probably sense it's power level and go, "Hmm, this creature seem powerful! I'll fight it the best I can! I won't let it destroy my world!" Void Ghidorah is a nightmare to fight, even for Godzilla.
So if void ghidorah is near God in power, that means he's Lucifer, why? Because Lucifer adops the form of a Dragon and also Lucifer means "bringer of light" and well... Ghidorah is a dragon, is close to God in power, he's seen by the Exif as God itself, and it's made of a golden light while also having "the power of the void" Sooooo maybe this girl is a little crazy or maybe just maybe we have a hidden Devil interpretation in Godzilla franchise
Very interesting,i did not know about void ghidorah appearing in different godzilla medias. What about the statement that implies that he could travel to different multiverse's? I think i have it
Do you have the full scan for the part mentioning the "golden fish" for the singular point novelization? With what you've shown it seems to imply there is a ghidorah reference in the novelization but it doesnt show the context or suggest that the ghidorah that is being referred to is void ghidorah, nor the text you show imply void is stronger?
I actually think Void wins. Bill got into the 3rd Dimension with unlimited power, but Ghidorah has almost unlimited Power in at least the 5th Dimension
Possibly since his avatar is at the very least 4d and Showa is EXTREMELY deep into 4d? I'd argue Showa would lose due to Void's hax alone, and if you belive his avatar is above 4d then he would obliterate Showa. Then true form neggs
If you take the statement for ghidorah having super gravity and down scaling them from the higher Heisei scaling then you could try to argue Showa King Ghidorah vs Void Ghidorah maybe tho I see Void winning imo
hi I'm Robert I'm using my mom's phone right now. Yes and speaking about GODZILLA ULTAMA people forgets he has a true form witch is a higher universal form. And it works similar to avoid Ghidorah where is true form is outside of the universe and since both enemies are enemies it's possible that they're both two universes within the same multiverse. How cool would it be to see Godzilla in hell in A anime form or in a realistic show from. But the other thing knows that people forget about Godzilla in hell is just cuz he killed his universes God and became God that's still within his universe we don't know if his universal realm is higher dimensional or lower dimensional or equal to the other Godzilla versus which means it's possible that even hell Godzilla could fall victim to void Ghidorah.
GIH killed the god of the IDWverse, meaning he upscales the Godzilla and DND crossover. The Outer-High Outer stuff of DND solos Ultima even if he’s wanted to Hyper.
@@DrakeDragon2000 I get why you might but nah GiH upscales in any tier they are placed in way more tbh SpaceGodzilla in GiH is implied to be the same from Heisei era and he matches the base which can shake individual realms of Hell which are at least 5D and infinite so infinite 5D so it fits fine. But there’s like dozens of Realm, and SG let’s Lucifer fuse or possess him to fight Godzilla later only for Divine to One shot him with his own attack, then one shot God Mountain which made everything then it’s implied GiH kept this power in base as he fights greater enemies with each run, he adapts and beats Demonic King Ghidorah and Destoroyah then they adapt and kill him then he comes back to fight them and Barely get out of this realm into the Void, then he is powernulled by the God Demon who is the strongest letting the Hellbats eat him to adapt and reform even stronger with a full body atomic breath to one shot God Demon, then he’s back in his new base escaping said that no one can take victory from him not even Heaven and Hell by Buddha himself. It’s wild power creep even being nice and letting Heisei’s base scale close to his base it just gets eclipsed.
Correct me but does the Ghidorah versions from weakest to strongest go from Gmk Keizer Mv Void Showa Heisei Mecha Des Grand Idk too much about des or grand but ik they should surpass heisei mothra and she's stated to be as strong if not stronger than heisei Ghidorah
Dude I mean it's okay as joke but watching only one scale and thinking now hes stronger than Goku isn't fair. Goku in meta cooler movie too was fighting and existing in realm without space-time, sub space exist in macrocosm and he scales way above voice Ghidorah. I can literally show same scans for base Goku. I don't know why people are fine upscaling a basic character that lacks much feats on statements but when it comes to dragon ball suddenly they don't take any statements then they need feats to happen on screen lol.
@LeaderOfTheLostSouls yeah, already seen all of them. Heisei is only infinite 5-D at best. Void Ghidorah's avatar form is already inf 5-D, plus not to mention Void Ghidorah outhaxes, he has Void manipulation, space-time manipulation, non physical interaction, physics manipulation. Heisei doesn't have any counters to Voids Immortality Type 9.
Quantum states function on the level on molecules, atoms and smaller structures. So with a quantum based radiation blast, conventional durability is NOT sufficient to resist such attacks.
@@arnavtripathy2227 no, his highest scaling is 5-D, which is far bellow Heisei Godzilla and majority of the kaiju from the late Heisei series capable of
Sigh if only they had an epic battle scene like that one RUclips animation, the movie could’ve been so much better. Ghidorah was severely underutilized! Along with Mechagodzilla
Void Ghidorah possibly hunting down Godzilla ultima is such a cool concept
If Toho made it clear a Godzilla multiverse is canon, then eldritch Kaiju like Void Ghidorah or maybe Godzilla Ultima not being tied to one piece of media and be appear in any Godzilla media really can really fit.
Ultima would devour Void
@@YourMid740 they have, they just don't do much with it
Void ghidorah be like: there can be only one! Our battle will be legendary!
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812I personally don't even think that's a bad thing to be honest.
People be underestimating Kaijus heavily
literally no one underrates void
@@sq_uids Godzilla Guy does
@@MellowRivers surprised? nope im not
@@MellowRiversI kinda think it’s a running joke, just my opinion.
@@MellowRivers Godzilla guy is sooo biased
It's actually extremely fascinating how Void King Ghidorah can potentially literally enter other Godzilla series/eras such as with him possibly hunting down Ultima. Good video bro! 👏
@@emdr3_g0n1x thank you
That’s the reason why the Millennium Era had so many reboots
The Galactus of Godzilla
Pretty much.
Galactus + Intagibillity + Noodle = Void Ghidorah
Honestly, more like the Black Winter of Godzilla.
You know how Galactus creates heralds to go and act in his name? Galactus is that to the Black Winter. Galactus eats planets, the Black Winter eats universes.
well both are satan-coded tho
This really put into perspective what a “Monster” can be. Great video by the way as always.
Star eating wings to this day is one of the best godzilla animations ever
Personally the REAL third film from the anime trilogy
@@TheFallen-ff4xn oh yes 100%
Canon is basically of the anime trilogy actually has care put into it.
@@YourMid740 100% he did all 3 waaaaaaay better
I feel the reason why void Ghildorah was slept on is cause how weird the three movies were, they've been used to the more general approach of godzilla and not a Lovecraftion edition
The fact that Void seemingly showed up in the Heisei universe if that poster is to be believed can only mean one thing...
Godzilla the Planet Eater takes place before the Heisei era, and that poster is the last time Void Ghidorah was ever seen.
Great Video, Void Ghidorah is such a horrifying and fascinating version of Ghidorah, being a higher dimensional destroyer of the universe, possessing such raw cosmic power, higher dimensional intelligence,being able to bend,create loops in space and time, devouring entire planets and stars with Super Gravity and especially the fact Void Ghidorah actually might be hunting for Godzilla Ultima is actually pretty haunting and cool.
Void Ghidorah is truly a monster it’s a shame we don’t get to see his full body and had to be in a bad movie but man his design, origin, and personality, is insane
If singular point has void Ghidorah vs Godzilla ultima it would be the greatest thing ever
Two eldritch beings duking it out? That’s dope
Sounds alright. But ultima would win. And that fight wouldn’t even be close.
Imagine the humans lmao, looking up at two gods just beating each other up.
isn't even close, void ghidorah straight up gobbles
@@Gozilaispro hell no
This lowkey has me wondering how cool a fight between super shenron and void ghidorah would be
@@Ahayhee Was thinking about doing that but Hirudegarn seemed more fun
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 who do u think wins between true form void ghidorah and super shenron and what diff?
@@finlygamer5920YT Idc what diff it is for either one winning, I genuinely wanna see that fight 😂
Dude,your so good when it comes to power scaling.Keep up the good work!
That mmd animation of Goji earth vs void ghido is what we SHOULD'VE gotten in the first place
I agree. They're so underrated, like their animations itself deserves more fame and popularity than the anime! Literally, everything about the animations are just perfection!
All three of the MMD animations were the real deal. The three movies weren't official.
Star eating wings? Hell yeah that was awesome
@@Fins-Up-74Hey,i just wanted to let you know to never give up and believe in yourself even in the toughest situations,you can do this
@Nooneknowsme315
... well now I'm motivated! The same to you my friend
I feel like void good or being able to go into both the second and third dimension is so cool
While I agree he is 4th dimensional through Hyperversal I don’t think that the “moving stars” feat shouldn’t be counted considering that black holes bend and distort light making it look like the stars are moving.
I was a bit off for True Form Void Ghidorah's scaling, but damn, I underestimated Avatar form
@@Godzillacreature50 Well now you've seen how monstrous he really is
Unicron and Galactus welcomes him to the eating planet club
it's always a good day when gkotm posts!
Void Ghidorah by just existing:
Screw you physics
Personally, I think he birthed the entire ghidorah race throughout the entire Godzilla Multiverse or at least the ones from space anyway
There is no evidence to support this, but also technically no contradiction I guess
Love your videos man!
@@ChaseKaijuReviews thank you
10:30 a bill cipher vs either ultima or void ghidorah video could be sick.
W video
Literally Void Ghidorahs story:
"Giant Golden noddle Nerf's itself just so it can eat"
Thats...actually really accurate lmao
You forgot to mention the one weakness void Ghidorah has. It's that without an anchor his avatar was very very vulnerable to Godzilla earths assault. The mc destroyed the anchor in the elsifs eye and made Ghidorahs avatar to be brought down to this plane hence he tried to flee when that happened
That changes when Void actually enters the universe, the weakness no longer applies.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 true but it was his avatar honestly if he actually entered the universe it would literally be the big bang 2.0 that's probably why he uses an avatar
I hate how movies and TV shows absolutely HOE kaijus for the sake of plot. It just makes them look weak and dumb which is why so many people don't take them seriously
@@Crab... No just Kaiju fans being dumb which is a consistent disease across fictional fanbases.
Good video
@@KindaActiveAhhDude thank you
God damn Void hunting down ultima is such a god damn cool concept
Interesting
Hold TF UP
If void G is possibly looking for ultima . . . Then is the GODZILLA MULTIVERSE canon?
WTF. Also void G appearing in the background of different posters is sooooo cool. Hes just somehwere in the universe of each era.
And doesnt that mean that eventually ultima will fight void G inevitability.
Because that would be the most chaotic & important fight in the kaiju multiverse. WHY ARE WE IGNORING THIS
@@treanmunt1420 Yeah, always has been. And continues to expand.
@@treanmunt1420 Godzilla into the Zillaverse
Godzilla across the zillaverse
Godzilla beyond the zillaverse
Ghidorah needing to use a avatar to exist in another universe reminds me of darkseid who also has to use a avatar otherwise his true form would've destroyed the dc universe .
Nice video👍🏻
This is good,i was expecting for you to make him stupidly outer or something like that
Nice Video, keep this up 👍
Unicron vs void ghidorah maybe? Sounds like a somewhat interesting match up to me.
Maybe if we stick to IDW Unicron and not his true form in the main omniverse then it’s fair.
@@carnage8279 Possibly
Huge W
Good video. While I have no disagreements with your scale itself, I do have some info to show you regarding the thumbnail to this video. None of this is to try and prove goku beats x character, and I'm really only writing this becasue I'm new to the channel and I've noticed you've been talking about dragonball a few times, and I hope this can help you in the future. Also, I just want to say I'd never have brought this up if you hadn't mentioned goku in the thumbnail.
People tend to downplay the cosmology of dragonball a lot, and while big name people are starting to finally accept some of the guidebook statements for the afterlife due to people like atari hmb who've gone far and beyond in validating the translations, there's still a lot of disagreements. What I'm referring to is a guidebook statement for dragonball that says the otherworld, "transcending dimensions that cannot be perceived from the human world". There are more statements re affirming that the otherworld/afterlife transcends the dimensions of the living world, even those we can't perceive. Keep in mind, the otherworld is said to be the same size as the living universe, which is stated to be "An infinite space of light and darkness where the unknown lives" -daizenshuu 4 (pg 18). There are also two other guides that re afirm the base universe to be infinite in size. So if we take all of this at face value, the afterlife would be 4D since the base universe is 3D. And since infinity of a dimensional structure is low end +1D higher, that would make it a low 5D structure. However, not many people know about it, but there is a 4D structure in the living world dbz universe.
The pendulum room in dragonball is a place referenced to in both dragonball and dragonball z. Mr. Popo says it's a place where "Past, present, and future are mixed". He also says "Past, present, future. All of time is created inside this room". When entering this room, goku time traveled to the past and talked to young master roshi. In dbz, the z fighters used the room and fought saiyans from the past. Now I've seen some people argue that the pendulum room is greater than 4D because it's said to literally create all of time, but I think even those skeptical of it should be able to agree that it's gotta be atleast a 4D structure. This exists in the living world and is unable to be perceived by normal mortals. This fits perfectly into the description of the afterlife transcending the dimensions of the living world. Which would make the afterlife baseline 5D, and if you use the fact that it's infinite, you can get the afterlife to a low 6D structure. Keep in mind goku and beerus's clashes were going to not just physically destroy it, but as the show says, "There will be nothing left of the universe", "It will turn into a vacuum made of nothingness".
I just want to leave two sources here for people who want to check my info. ATARi_HMB is a great scaler and he goes over everything I mentioned and much more. He scales goku a bit higher than I did here but he's by no means a goku wanker.
My second source, which I am extremely fond of, comes from a reddit thread on r/powerscaling made by a guy who goes by the username Profectusinfinity. His post is titled "It's about time we discussed dragon ball's afterlife scans". This is genuinely one of the most comprehensive and well made posts I have ever seen when it comes to powerscaling. When I say he addresses everything, I mean he addresses EVERYTHING. Not only does he have all the original sources given and sited, but he even went out of his way to pay three professional translators to translate the afterlife scans so he could cross reference them with each other. And I know what you're thinking, "It's a reddit post, how good could it be?". I'd just like to point you twards zeno on the vsbattle wiki. Notice how he's 1-c? He was 2-c just like every single dragonball character on there, including XENO GOKU. This reddit post was the main argument given to vsbattle when determining if zeno should qualify as 1-c, and it worked. I'm sure most of you are already aware of this, but vsbattle wiki is notorious for lowballing most characters to a comical level. I'm not just talking about dragonball characters, they have basically every version of superman other than cosmic armor at 2-c (lower than complex multiversal, lower than 5D). Heck, they rank cosmic armor superman at mid hyperversal level lol.
Good video, I have no issues with it. Hope you can use the info I listed in the future. Have a great day!
There's no way zeno is listed as 1-c on vsbat....... YOOOO DRAGONBALL COMPLEX MULTI UPGRADE LETS GOOOOOOOOO
Sorry to burst your bubble but this is garbage scaling. The statements only get the Afterlife to 4D. Time encompasses the macrocosm and even worse, all 12-18 macrocosm are engulfed in the timeline. This at most makes the timeline a 5D structure, but canon Goku doesn't scale to it at all. Only game Goku, who has other 5D feats, has such scaling as this.
The pendulum room is clearly no longer canon, not in Kai, GT, Super, or any of the games which all have much different explanations for time in the verse.
@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 Not exactly the response I was expecting, that response seems kinda unprofessional. I have not mocked or belittled you in any way, there's no reason to do so twards me.
Time doesn't exist in the afterlife, which is stated more than a few times in both the show and guides. I know there are inconsistencies with time not being in the afterlife, but said inconsistencies can be chalked up to bad writing. There is clearly author intent to have the afterlife be free of time. There are more than a few inconsistencies in godzilla powerscalling as well, so please don't hold a double standard. While you can argue the pendulum room scene from dbz specifically isn't cannon to the anime since kai cut it, it was still in dragonball as well, and original dragonball is still considered completely cannon to anime of dbz kai and super. You can argue the pendulum room isn't in the manga, but given how wildly different the dbs manga and anime can be I think it's more than fair to consider them different things, but the anime is still considered a mainline cannon.
But even if you still don't want to count the pendulum room, the afterlife is stated to be the same size as the living universe, which is stated 3 separate times in guides to be infinite. And if the afterlife is baseline 4D as you say, then it being infinite would make it low 5D. I still think that since the pendulum room has its own arc in og dragonball it should 100% be counted as cannon for the anime, but I can agree that the z fighters entering it in dbz is likely not considered cannon anymore. Although it was in dragonball, not dbz, that Mr. Popo said all of time was mixed and that all of time was created in the pendulum room. The "created all of time" part seems unreasonable, but goku literally time traveled by entering that room, so it HAS to be at least 4D.
Again I'm not trying to downplay any godzilla characters or characters in general, I have nothing against any of your scales, I just think there's sufficient evidence to prove that goku is low to mid complex multiversal. I do highly implore you to check my sources, not just to verify what I say, but because I view both as exceptional. And come on, if vsbattle wiki of all things can be convinced by it, then you know it's good.
@@zombie9865 Don't worry, this guy has an ego rivalling Vegeta and just outright mocks people who're just slightly wrong
@zombie9865 yo dude....I read your 2 comments as well as the reddit posts you talked about...and I can confidently say....EVERYTHING IS PERFECT. The amount of research that you and the other guy you mentioned went into is genuinely amazing
Keep it up👍
Are we going to be seeing more void king ghidora in the fire anime films?
Great video on the underrated and underutilized Cosmic Horror Dragon, Void Ghidorah cuz he’s pretty horrific and Op when you look into it lol
Godzilla Ultima when? Lol
Need to see you do a video on them fighting too, I hope we see it happen for real in the show or something tbh
I don’t agree with him being below Showa especially not consistently but if we down scale Heisei I can see the argument yet the down scaling isn’t enough to get him high enough imo, idk maybe Showa Ghidorah is stronger than I thought yet I doubt he can even counter all his Haxs imo
Heisei & Grand King and Void are all debatable in who wins the fight tbh
But King Ghidorah in GiH Wins ofc
More Halloween content is a W!
@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls you'll love the next project then
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 Oh really? Kool!
What about Desghidorah?
@@Frotheru_The_Dragon He’s also underrated and Op, I scaled him with the help of Gkotm and our friend Dread, I’ll ask him to do a video on him.
@@Frotheru_The_Dragon Literally Showa but with better statement of being a universe buster
I want to ask but where did you get the information of void ghidorah possibly finding or trying to hunt down godzilla ultima?
@@MIKMIK_69 the singular point novelization
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 can you please provide me more context
I am genuine interested about this :0
The thumbnail sounds like Tamatoa speaking.
I ate my Goku
True Power Void Ghidorah vs True Form Ultima would be the most epic battle by far
How would Void Vs. Showa go down
this was peak. please tell me we're getting a godzilla ultima scale soon. alternatively a godzilla ultima vs void ghidorah video would also go hard asf with your scaling.
Thought he would be higher but good video
Who wins, Destoroyah or Void G?
I'm Betting for Destoryah. Considering he Scales way above SpaceG and both Void and SpaceG use Supergravity.
@@taptiotrevizo9415 Same here.
Destoroyah scales higher.
Destoroyah negs
The fact that while he is not the strongest of all versions of Ghidorah, but still being that scary speaks a lot. Also he and Ultima are the only kaijus from Reiwa Era to even be considered on a almost similar level as Showa's Supergravity.
Oh no they are bare minimum on par or possibly superior cuz Void Ghidorah has his own super gravity and more consistent higher dimensional shit than Showa and same for true form Ultima in the Novels but Heisei is another story ofc.
Heisei King Ghidorah or Grand King Ghidorah are debatable on who is stronger between them, and it’s debatable how they do against Void Ghidorah’s true form but the strongest King Ghidorah is of course from Godzilla in Hell.
@@LeaderOfTheLostSoulsThis is the first Ghidorah that got me scared, with the others i saw them as badass three headed dragons that put their respective Godzillas to their limits, but Void Ghidorah i saw him as a bizarre being.
@@marcosviniciusdossantos2402 That’s Kool and makes sense cuz he is an abstract cosmic horror from a higher plane of existence seeing us as just food, this is some Cthulhu Mythos shit lol
@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls Both him and Ultima are like Pennywise in the fact that they have an avatar and true form.
@@marcosviniciusdossantos2402 Yeah true but they are more evil and horrific tbh lol
I'm curious of what that “hint” in the Singular Point Novel you're talking about is
Cool vid
Btw I have question
Can Kong with the BEAST glove beat Muto Prime
So is Void Ghidorah the Godzilla equivalent to Unicron from Transformers? Because for a long time I thought Destroyah was the closest thing.
Void is not above Heisei Godzilla.
so,no.
@Frotheru_The_Dragon That's why I asked? Thank you.
Ghidorah isn't necessarely stronger then the Heisei Era but he suits Unicron far more personality wise.
Heiseizillasaurus prime,mothrita- 1,destotron,final hide godzilla.Next whom
Excellent job with this analysis. I absolutely hate Void Ghidorah with a passion for his atrocious design, no characterization, and not being stricken from the Godzilla franchise canon. But this generic, piss colored, triple headed, spiny, trash, noodle is undeservingly one of the strongest kaiju in the franchise.
@@darkbeast6499 Another of the Reiwa era's missed potential with a great idea. His full body actually looks really good
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 good video + so we can scale void gidorah to low complexmultiversale
@@AMINEOMEGABANGA yeah
Cosmic Garou victimizer
Cosmic garou is 4D-5D at most
Where did you find that definition of super dimensional ? I'm interested by it 👀
That basicly The lovecraft version of Ghidorah.
facts
Also could you do Bill chiper vs Void Ghidorah
King Titan vs Godzilla when
When King Titan stands a chance
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 King Titan vs MV godzilla I mean, which is like extremely comparable. King Titan straight stomps MV unless you use LOM shi
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 well that depends which version he's facing.
@@PremiumZaza7 Yeah, no, he doesn't. Even canon stuff far exceeds the Ark feats
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812No 🤞 King Titan sweeps
So, basically, Goku is a goner if he ever faced Void Ghidorah. He could go Mastered Ultra Instinct Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken x1,000,000,000,000 and still would get consumed by the eldritch golden noodle. But if you know Goku, you would know he isn't going to stand there and allow himself to get eaten. He will be probably sense it's power level and go, "Hmm, this creature seem powerful! I'll fight it the best I can! I won't let it destroy my world!"
Void Ghidorah is a nightmare to fight, even for Godzilla.
not really goku can be scaled to outerversal with the other world unless ad until debunked the other world statement
So if void ghidorah is near God in power, that means he's Lucifer, why? Because Lucifer adops the form of a Dragon and also Lucifer means "bringer of light" and well... Ghidorah is a dragon, is close to God in power, he's seen by the Exif as God itself, and it's made of a golden light while also having "the power of the void"
Sooooo maybe this girl is a little crazy or maybe just maybe we have a hidden Devil interpretation in Godzilla franchise
Very interesting,i did not know about void ghidorah appearing in different godzilla medias. What about the statement that implies that he could travel to different multiverse's? I think i have it
Void is one of the strangest kaju to scale
I bet there are some monsterverse fans that think mv beats this ghidorah
the megageuris theme fits this
If I don’t, WHO WILL? DRAGON FIIIST! - Xeno Goku battling with TF Void Ghidorah
@@FinalWarsGodzilla Sounds peak to me
How powerful is the smiling man From Small spaces Book series ?
So.who would win? Void Ghidorah or Goku?
Do you have the full scan for the part mentioning the "golden fish" for the singular point novelization? With what you've shown it seems to imply there is a ghidorah reference in the novelization but it doesnt show the context or suggest that the ghidorah that is being referred to is void ghidorah, nor the text you show imply void is stronger?
Is this what the devourer of gods is based off? Like from the terraria calamity mod. There are alot of simillarities.
When will you make a video on the later events of Dragon Ball (like the Buu Saga and Super) and their hax
In time
@ W
Who do you think would win?
Void Ghidorah or Bill Cipher with the opened rift
I actually think Void wins. Bill got into the 3rd Dimension with unlimited power, but Ghidorah has almost unlimited Power in at least the 5th Dimension
@@joshiboshi6878 Void Ghidorah most likely. For all the hype Bill is very clearly affected by stuff like time and space as we see him.
Ghidorah is literally just a high dimensional Eldritch GOD.
Dang that ending was brutal but how does he lose to Showa?
Possibly since his avatar is at the very least 4d and Showa is EXTREMELY deep into 4d? I'd argue Showa would lose due to Void's hax alone, and if you belive his avatar is above 4d then he would obliterate Showa. Then true form neggs
If you take the statement for ghidorah having super gravity and down scaling them from the higher Heisei scaling then you could try to argue Showa King Ghidorah vs Void Ghidorah maybe tho I see Void winning imo
@@Kaijuenjoyer-nv7qnoh I thought he was referring to true form void vs Showa. I can understand Showa beating avatar tho
He doesn't lol
i looked up super dimenenal and it said it can be outer so does that make ghidorah outer
“Can be” so at best this is a high end but it’s not really supported atm
You'd need proof of outer.
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Void Ghidorah vs Bill cipher???
I think Void vs Ultima or Ultima vs Bill is better. Void's kinda just an animal, feeding himself through any means needed.
@@IsKong64 Bill slams
@@citrusreality64absolutely not
@@GrimnVIII absolutely yes, Bill outscales BADLY
@@citrusreality64The Dorito gets eaten
Super shenron: he my cousin in a another universe but we cool tho
Whats the statement of void ghidorah hunting ultima
in conclusion he is 5d or 11d at max
hi I'm Robert I'm using my mom's phone right now. Yes and speaking about GODZILLA ULTAMA people forgets he has a true form witch is a higher universal form. And it works similar to avoid Ghidorah where is true form is outside of the universe and since both enemies are enemies it's possible that they're both two universes within the same multiverse. How cool would it be to see Godzilla in hell in A anime form or in a realistic show from. But the other thing knows that people forget about Godzilla in hell is just cuz he killed his universes God and became God that's still within his universe we don't know if his universal realm is higher dimensional or lower dimensional or equal to the other Godzilla versus which means it's possible that even hell Godzilla could fall victim to void Ghidorah.
GIH killed the god of the IDWverse, meaning he upscales the Godzilla and DND crossover. The Outer-High Outer stuff of DND solos Ultima even if he’s wanted to Hyper.
Nice video
But would Godzilla In hell Stand a chance?
Bro he said at the end that Void loses lol
Heisei Goji alone wins
@LeaderOfTheLostSouls I am asking About GiH Especially, I always knew Heisei negs him
@@DrakeDragon2000 What??? Godzilla in Hell is stronger than Heisei so if you think Heisei wins then it’s easy to assume GiH wins too lol
@LeaderOfTheLostSouls personally I always See it like this
Base Heisei
@@DrakeDragon2000 I get why you might but nah GiH upscales in any tier they are placed in way more tbh
SpaceGodzilla in GiH is implied to be the same from Heisei era and he matches the base which can shake individual realms of Hell which are at least 5D and infinite so infinite 5D so it fits fine. But there’s like dozens of Realm, and SG let’s Lucifer fuse or possess him to fight Godzilla later only for Divine to One shot him with his own attack, then one shot God Mountain which made everything then it’s implied GiH kept this power in base as he fights greater enemies with each run, he adapts and beats Demonic King Ghidorah and Destoroyah then they adapt and kill him then he comes back to fight them and Barely get out of this realm into the Void, then he is powernulled by the God Demon who is the strongest letting the Hellbats eat him to adapt and reform even stronger with a full body atomic breath to one shot God Demon, then he’s back in his new base escaping said that no one can take victory from him not even Heaven and Hell by Buddha himself. It’s wild power creep even being nice and letting Heisei’s base scale close to his base it just gets eclipsed.
Was Void Ghidorah nullifying the black holes?
Void Ghidorah vs cthullu
So how much stronger would his true form be if you would assume?
Correct me but does the Ghidorah versions from weakest to strongest go from
Gmk
Keizer
Mv
Void
Showa
Heisei
Mecha
Des
Grand
Idk too much about des or grand but ik they should surpass heisei mothra and she's stated to be as strong if not stronger than heisei Ghidorah
Desghidorah is in a weird place.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 should be go below Mecha or above showa?
I'm talking about Des in his prime with Earth's energy and all the other planets he drained tho
@@Starscream00zz I say below Showa if anything
This just feels wrong, it might be right but it doesn't feel like void should be weaker than Desghidorah
Can you do what if real dinosaurs were in monster hunter?
Uh
You'll get something similar soon
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 okay good with me
How much is 11d? Shown in the vid
At least High Complex Multiversal
Yo I have quick question who wins for you heisei Godzilla(supercharged GVSG) vs game sonic(super)
Godzilla would definitely defeat game Sonic, now, Archie Sonic is a different animal
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 thanks
goku a void ghidorah victim
"*(I have a few hours to live)*"
Nah goku solos
(A goku glazer has a gun to my head)
Dude I mean it's okay as joke but watching only one scale and thinking now hes stronger than Goku isn't fair.
Goku in meta cooler movie too was fighting and existing in realm without space-time, sub space exist in macrocosm and he scales way above voice Ghidorah.
I can literally show same scans for base Goku.
I don't know why people are fine upscaling a basic character that lacks much feats on statements but when it comes to dragon ball suddenly they don't take any statements then they need feats to happen on screen lol.
Respectfully disagree with that statement
@@KidGoku-g4v I can totally see that from the things goku has done too so yeah I agree
All that, just to still be a Heisei Victim :>
Not really
@@citrusreality64Heisei Godzilla is higher.
@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls prove it
@@citrusreality64 Watch the Heisei scaling videos and see that Heisei just scales higher lol he posts evidence for the scale.
@LeaderOfTheLostSouls yeah, already seen all of them. Heisei is only infinite 5-D at best. Void Ghidorah's avatar form is already inf 5-D, plus not to mention Void Ghidorah outhaxes, he has Void manipulation, space-time manipulation, non physical interaction, physics manipulation. Heisei doesn't have any counters to Voids Immortality Type 9.
Drop your cord big bro
Yo bro Please! How Strong Truly is Dante and Vergil from Devil May Cry!
W scaling.
I've got a question. why does MV Godzilla's atomic breath negate durability just because it works on the quantum states?
Quantum states function on the level on molecules, atoms and smaller structures. So with a quantum based radiation blast, conventional durability is NOT sufficient to resist such attacks.
If you were to take his highest scaling(which I think is 11 dimensional, not entirely sure) would he beat Heisei Godzilla?
@@arnavtripathy2227 no, his highest scaling is 5-D, which is far bellow Heisei Godzilla and majority of the kaiju from the late Heisei series capable of
hopefully he does not fine the monsterverse because that universe's earth would be a 5 star meal because of the hollow earth
Hey…where can I find the video about you stating that Burning Godzilla (Mv) is 480x stronger than base?
I think Void Gidorah is too strong except Heisei Godzilla.
So would you say complex multi or hyper?
So Void Ghidorah beats destroyah
Sigh if only they had an epic battle scene like that one RUclips animation, the movie could’ve been so much better. Ghidorah was severely underutilized! Along with Mechagodzilla
My question is who could permanently kill void Ghidorah? If that’s even possible