Charlie is undoubtedly a mastermind and we know all too well that he would have been a great winner too. I know he has what it takes to shake it off and get over the bad blood between him and Maria. I bet it didn’t even take a fortnight. We were all enchanted with his game and could really appreciate his style. Karma was truly on his side for a majority of the season because he played with so much integrity instead of being an anti-hero. The blank space for the million didn’t have his name on it, but at least he got to experience his wildest dreams by playing Survivor. He played a delicate end game, and his only blindspot is that he should have known Maria was trouble when she walked in. But as far as Kenzie winning, we have another hair stylist from a disaster purple tribe becoming Sole Survivor two spring seasons in a row. We are definitely in a lavender haze. Oh and to all the people who keep spouting the Maria hate: you need to calm down.
This season was truly a parody of the big moves era. We see players constantly concerned with making big and flashy moves that don’t really make a lot of sense only to have a social player who fully admitted to driving nothing to win the game based on her emotional connections. She went from wanting to blindside her number one purely for her resume to embracing that she was a social butterfly. Perfect ending to the hilarity of 46.
I think there was one mistake Charlie made - he should have voted out Kenzie instead of Venus Kenzie was always a much bigger jury threat than Venus Venus didn't have any social capital at that point
I fully agree with this. I don't understand how you wouldn't have wanted Venus there instead of Kenzie. Like imagine going to the end with Charlie, Liz and Ben. Easy win.
Felt bad for Maria when the challenge thing happened but when she didn’t vote Charlie, my sympathy went away 😂 but Kenzie is a good winner. Just can’t believe she wouldn’t vote her bestie in the game who did nothing for Maria to be bitter at him
That is kind of how I feel. 😂 But at the same time Maria could have simply voted for Charlie just to be like well you got help to win that challenge you won't get my vote to win this game. I would have been petty that way for sure. But she chose a different route.
I'm devastated. This feels like the biggest travesty yet in Survivor history. Charlie played a masterful game, I thought, and would have been easily the best winner of the new era. Can't believe Maria didn't vote for him. I haven't listened to this podcast yet - I look forward to listening it.
I think Charlie really needed to get Kenzie out via fire, i think that would have registered as a big move. I think he stood a better chance against Liz
Maria is an educator. Teachers can be extremely used to being in charge. Having authority as a mom and teacher? I can easily see her being blind because of the life roles she plays outside the show. Also, the familiarity with talking to what she considered subordinates or students Now consider her ego. easily blinded to the reality around her Loved her eviction ep truly hope i explained that ok
As an immigrant I can easily see why she would vote for Kenzie and not Charlie. Kenzie explaining how she worked extremely hard for her entire life with little return and how she just wants to win for herself must resonate with Maria a lot. Charlie is a young guy in his early 20s who’s come from middle/ upper middle class (Literally goes to Harvard/not saying he didn’t earn it but let’s be real you don’t get into Harvard without even a little bit of money).
@@FellDownTheCornHole that's not true, Harvard has scholarships and financial aid for those who can't afford course fees. Entry is based mainly on academic merit and if you have exceptional grades compared to others who have applied by scholarship you will gain entry.
@@SteveCarroll-fs5iw Maybe a better phrasing would be, you can’t GO to Harvard without a lot of money. Sure you can get accepted but actually going?? You’re going to need some money.
@@FellDownTheCornHole You also can't own a business and make no profit off it and still live well without being financially comfortable. Also, Kenzie's husband has a successful business and career, too. Choosing based on "who is more poor" is frowned upon for a reason when it should be about SURVIVOR. Kenzie was my favorite, I'm not mad she won. But it is clear that Charlie should have won and would have won if his number one wasn't a narcissist throwing a tantrum. Incredibly snake behavior that she showed all season,
I also loved Liz's decision to help Kenzie -> it was BOLD! It accomplished her goal. Like y'all said, Survivor is not a game of challenges. Being a 'challenge beast' does not guarantee you safety. I'm really excited to see how this opens up the game for future players. We've seen folks talk about word puzzles before or look at someone else's progress... but this level of assistance is new and creates a really cool new dynamic for folks to play with.
[After watching the video] Great analysis. Technically, Maria wasn't backstabbed, she knew she was getting voted out, Charlie even gave her a heads-up. Not that this is relevant to the result.
No one seems to remember that Taylor Swift’s song Mastermind was used in a survivor promo for season 45!!! I’m almost certain they could have bought it again to use on this episode
It’s not about Charlie not needing a move. It’s about not allowing Kenzie to have a move. Going into fire for Charlie would have been defensive, not offensive.
@2:12:33 I agree with Jessica. Maria’s vote doesn’t make sense to me and that’s ok. @2:20:30 unless Maria thinks everyone will vote for her by seeing the flame in her eye?
Couldn’t disagree more with the final 5 challenge take. Helping someone verbally sure. But they need to draw the line for physically teaming up in an individual challenge especially when they are down to the final 5. I also think the only reason they let it slid was because it most likely wasn’t discussed before the challenge hence the contestants being surprised at the final portion of the challenge. They have stopped it before in 23 for picking up pieces for other players so in order to keep it consistent in this case it should have been stopped.
The conversation at the end about Charlie's tone and supposed lack of emotion bothers me. I'm on the Autism spectrum. Autistic people have a reputation for being unemotional. This couldn't be further from the truth. Many Autistic people struggle to control their emotions as children, and end up having emotional outbursts. They are then chastised or punished for these outbursts, and are told that they are not appropriate. As these Autistic children age, they learn to control their "outbursts," but they do it by keeping hold of their emotions entirely. It's not apathy. It's stoicism. In order to keep their cool, many Autistic people, myself included, will declare how they are feeling rather than showing it. I don't know if Charlie is on the Autism spectrum or not, but his blunt statement about absolutely having come to win reminded me of myself on countless other occasions. Calling someone "robotic," or judging that they aren't serious because they weren't emotive enough, is ableist. It's a constant struggle for Autistic people, because we aren't taken seriously when we plainly state what we want or how we're feeling, and then when we eventually blow up we're accused of overreacting. Don't get me wrong. I'm not upset with David and Jessica. I'm a big fan of the podcast, and if everyone in the world was neurotypical, their opinions on the subject would make sense. But that's kind of the point. Neurodivergent people exist. It sucks that society expects everyone to fit into the same mold, and punishes the people who don't. How people responded to Charlie, and how David and Jessica think he *should* have acted, is representative of a larger issue within our culture.
I think the clips showing Charlie throw Marea under the bus could also have added fuel to the fire she saw in Kenzie's eyes. Like Charlie went around agreeing with other people that Marea is such a big threat and she drove xyz vote. Like he was propping her up even more. And it's possible that Marea found out he was throwing her under the bus behind her back days before f5. 2:06:49
in Hebrew we have a saying," its kosher,but it stinks" so the Kenzy getting help is exactly it, maybe by the rules,but it stinks.and they should prohibit it next time.
There should definitely be a rule that at the Final 5 immunity challenge - no one can help each other. It’s the LAST challenge where there is an actual vote out at tribal afterwards. I just don’t think it’s fair at all. Honestly I would be okay with all the immunity challenges having this rule because I don’t like what this could devolve into - but at LEAST outright ban it at the Final 5.
@@inkedge1519 life isn’t fair cannot apply to a game shows with prize money involved. There are strict standard and practices. Unfortunately we don’t know how the rules were explained to them. I mean what would have happened if one of them walked over and messed up someone’s puzzle why is that different then going and taking someone else’s board from their challenge lane even if u are trying to help u are messing up their lane by removing something. Let’s say Kenzie lost would she have said hey u hindered my game by taking my board away even if the intent was to help. This really could get messy.
@@Lisa-uc5rx as this podcast already said...they clearly have been allowed to do this..after this happening, i think they will have rule of not helping each other or something...and ofcourse they would said something liz sabotaged another...as jessica already said...all of this rule is preety clear ...so ...yeah..
first 10 minutes and I am already frustrated. What David and Jessica have to understand is that rules have to be fair. Outcomes can be unfair. When Jessica drew rock the rules were fair, only outcome was unfair. Contestants touching other contestant's pieces, puzzles, etc. should be banned by rule. Verbal help is fine. In this case, since rule allowed it, Liz and Kenzie can't be called cheaters because the fault is within the rule. bcoz the loser producers of Survivor are just too stupid. eg: Laura physically doing puzzles of Tina in caramoan instead of verbal helping. Players should be not allowed to touch other player's pieces, walk through other player's path, etc. Anything Verbal is fine.
Yeah, I think if Liz just went down and counted Kenzie’s holes instead of actually grabbing the piece then the end effect would have been the same but it would have been less controversial because it still would have technically just been verbal help.
OK - my hot fire take. Making fire wouldn't have helped Charlie -- but it DID help Kenzie. Not because it's a "move," but it's a part of her narrative. Prior to the challenge, I said that if Kenzie won fire, it would cement her underdog story -- always fighting from the beginning. Kenzie took it one part further, and added that she started the game without fire. And if Maria is to be believed, firemaking did influence her vote. I think with more social-game emotional juries like this one, narrative is really starting to matter. With such a close social game, Kenzie had the best story. So my take is that Charlie should have done fire. Not to deny Kenzie the "move," but to stop her from getting that satisfying ending to her story. (Also, glad to see Liz getting the credit she deserves. Too many people see the Kenzie & Ben interviews and go 'of course they're saying nice things about her, they're friends!' Consider, perhaps, that people are being... honest? I'm certain the folks who were there have a much better take on Liz' game than those of us at home.)
Charlie is undoubtedly a mastermind and we know all too well that he would have been a great winner too. I know he has what it takes to shake it off and get over the bad blood between him and Maria. I bet it didn’t even take a fortnight. We were all enchanted with his game and could really appreciate his style. Karma was truly on his side for a majority of the season because he played with so much integrity instead of being an anti-hero.
The blank space for the million didn’t have his name on it, but at least he got to experience his wildest dreams by playing Survivor. He played a delicate end game, and his only blindspot is that he should have known Maria was trouble when she walked in. But as far as Kenzie winning, we have another hair stylist from a disaster purple tribe becoming Sole Survivor two spring seasons in a row. We are definitely in a lavender haze.
Oh and to all the people who keep spouting the Maria hate: you need to calm down.
Wow the Taylor swift of this all is off the freaking charts❤❤❤❤❤
You definitely are part of the tortured poets department
This season was truly a parody of the big moves era. We see players constantly concerned with making big and flashy moves that don’t really make a lot of sense only to have a social player who fully admitted to driving nothing to win the game based on her emotional connections. She went from wanting to blindside her number one purely for her resume to embracing that she was a social butterfly. Perfect ending to the hilarity of 46.
2:43 I think that’s just it David. A lot of the jurors were worried about *their* moves. They didn’t want to give credit to anyone else making moves!
I think there was one mistake Charlie made - he should have voted out Kenzie instead of Venus
Kenzie was always a much bigger jury threat than Venus
Venus didn't have any social capital at that point
I fully agree with this. I don't understand how you wouldn't have wanted Venus there instead of Kenzie. Like imagine going to the end with Charlie, Liz and Ben. Easy win.
She has an idol, it make sense
I have loved the coverage all season long. Thank you David and Jessica!
Thank you for watching!
Felt bad for Maria when the challenge thing happened but when she didn’t vote Charlie, my sympathy went away 😂 but Kenzie is a good winner. Just can’t believe she wouldn’t vote her bestie in the game who did nothing for Maria to be bitter at him
That is kind of how I feel. 😂 But at the same time Maria could have simply voted for Charlie just to be like well you got help to win that challenge you won't get my vote to win this game. I would have been petty that way for sure. But she chose a different route.
I'm devastated. This feels like the biggest travesty yet in Survivor history. Charlie played a masterful game, I thought, and would have been easily the best winner of the new era. Can't believe Maria didn't vote for him. I haven't listened to this podcast yet - I look forward to listening it.
I can't beleive that Kenzie owned her game ( tell me who to vote for ), and he won,, wow 😱😱
omg, David quoting the Mastermind lyrics... I had to comment and support the algorithm just for that!
😂 ❤
I think Charlie really needed to get Kenzie out via fire, i think that would have registered as a big move. I think he stood a better chance against Liz
Charlie is the best player of the new era
Maria is an educator. Teachers can be extremely used to being in charge. Having authority as a mom and teacher? I can easily see her being blind because of the life roles she plays outside the show. Also, the familiarity with talking to what she considered subordinates or students
Now consider her ego.
easily blinded to the reality around her
Loved her eviction ep truly
hope i explained that ok
As an immigrant I can easily see why she would vote for Kenzie and not Charlie. Kenzie explaining how she worked extremely hard for her entire life with little return and how she just wants to win for herself must resonate with Maria a lot. Charlie is a young guy in his early 20s who’s come from middle/ upper middle class (Literally goes to Harvard/not saying he didn’t earn it but let’s be real you don’t get into Harvard without even a little bit of money).
@@FellDownTheCornHole that's not true, Harvard has scholarships and financial aid for those who can't afford course fees. Entry is based mainly on academic merit and if you have exceptional grades compared to others who have applied by scholarship you will gain entry.
@@SteveCarroll-fs5iw Maybe a better phrasing would be, you can’t GO to Harvard without a lot of money. Sure you can get accepted but actually going?? You’re going to need some money.
@@FellDownTheCornHole You also can't own a business and make no profit off it and still live well without being financially comfortable. Also, Kenzie's husband has a successful business and career, too. Choosing based on "who is more poor" is frowned upon for a reason when it should be about SURVIVOR. Kenzie was my favorite, I'm not mad she won. But it is clear that Charlie should have won and would have won if his number one wasn't a narcissist throwing a tantrum. Incredibly snake behavior that she showed all season,
@@FellDownTheCornHole I believe anyone who gets into Harvard from a family that makes under $100K gets a full scholarship
11:41 It was probably the highlight of the finale for me!
I also loved Liz's decision to help Kenzie -> it was BOLD! It accomplished her goal. Like y'all said, Survivor is not a game of challenges. Being a 'challenge beast' does not guarantee you safety. I'm really excited to see how this opens up the game for future players. We've seen folks talk about word puzzles before or look at someone else's progress... but this level of assistance is new and creates a really cool new dynamic for folks to play with.
Im ok with outcome awesome season 😅
I would have been okay with Liz helping if she grabbed her own board. I'm not sure if all the boards had the same cobonation.
I assume they did otherwise it's an advantage/disadvantage for pulling out the ropes
🍿🍿🍿 this is gonna be good
After reading all of David’s tweets about Maria, I’ve been waiting on the edge of my seat for this one!
[After watching the video] Great analysis.
Technically, Maria wasn't backstabbed, she knew she was getting voted out, Charlie even gave her a heads-up. Not that this is relevant to the result.
No one seems to remember that Taylor Swift’s song Mastermind was used in a survivor promo for season 45!!! I’m almost certain they could have bought it again to use on this episode
@2:20:45 I agree. For all we know they could lie on what they plan to do with the money.
It’s not about Charlie not needing a move. It’s about not allowing Kenzie to have a move. Going into fire for Charlie would have been defensive, not offensive.
7:10 The cast of 4several hearing this specification and wondering what the hell they missed at the end of 46.
Jessica do you ever have neck or back pain? Try shifting your body toward the camera so you don’t have to tilt and turn your head for hours
@2:12:33 I agree with Jessica. Maria’s vote doesn’t make sense to me and that’s ok. @2:20:30 unless Maria thinks everyone will vote for her by seeing the flame in her eye?
When is KIA with Fish for the finale?
This upcoming Thursday
i am not sure Maria could have beaten Charlie or Kenzie had she made it to final 3 with one of them
I could see her blowing it at final tribal council with the way she talks to people.
Couldn’t disagree more with the final 5 challenge take. Helping someone verbally sure. But they need to draw the line for physically teaming up in an individual challenge especially when they are down to the final 5. I also think the only reason they let it slid was because it most likely wasn’t discussed before the challenge hence the contestants being surprised at the final portion of the challenge. They have stopped it before in 23 for picking up pieces for other players so in order to keep it consistent in this case it should have been stopped.
The conversation at the end about Charlie's tone and supposed lack of emotion bothers me.
I'm on the Autism spectrum. Autistic people have a reputation for being unemotional. This couldn't be further from the truth. Many Autistic people struggle to control their emotions as children, and end up having emotional outbursts. They are then chastised or punished for these outbursts, and are told that they are not appropriate. As these Autistic children age, they learn to control their "outbursts," but they do it by keeping hold of their emotions entirely. It's not apathy. It's stoicism. In order to keep their cool, many Autistic people, myself included, will declare how they are feeling rather than showing it. I don't know if Charlie is on the Autism spectrum or not, but his blunt statement about absolutely having come to win reminded me of myself on countless other occasions.
Calling someone "robotic," or judging that they aren't serious because they weren't emotive enough, is ableist. It's a constant struggle for Autistic people, because we aren't taken seriously when we plainly state what we want or how we're feeling, and then when we eventually blow up we're accused of overreacting.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not upset with David and Jessica. I'm a big fan of the podcast, and if everyone in the world was neurotypical, their opinions on the subject would make sense. But that's kind of the point. Neurodivergent people exist. It sucks that society expects everyone to fit into the same mold, and punishes the people who don't. How people responded to Charlie, and how David and Jessica think he *should* have acted, is representative of a larger issue within our culture.
I think the clips showing Charlie throw Marea under the bus could also have added fuel to the fire she saw in Kenzie's eyes. Like Charlie went around agreeing with other people that Marea is such a big threat and she drove xyz vote. Like he was propping her up even more. And it's possible that Marea found out he was throwing her under the bus behind her back days before f5. 2:06:49
in Hebrew we have a saying," its kosher,but it stinks" so the Kenzy getting help is exactly it, maybe by the rules,but it stinks.and they should prohibit it next time.
There should definitely be a rule that at the Final 5 immunity challenge - no one can help each other. It’s the LAST challenge where there is an actual vote out at tribal afterwards. I just don’t think it’s fair at all. Honestly I would be okay with all the immunity challenges having this rule because I don’t like what this could devolve into - but at LEAST outright ban it at the Final 5.
Well life is not fair
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@@inkedge1519 life isn’t fair cannot apply to a game shows with prize money involved. There are strict standard and practices. Unfortunately we don’t know how the rules were explained to them. I mean what would have happened if one of them walked over and messed up someone’s puzzle why is that different then going and taking someone else’s board from their challenge lane even if u are trying to help u are messing up their lane by removing something. Let’s say Kenzie lost would she have said hey u hindered my game by taking my board away even if the intent was to help. This really could get messy.
@@Lisa-uc5rx as this podcast already said...they clearly have been allowed to do this..after this happening, i think they will have rule of not helping each other or something...and ofcourse they would said something liz sabotaged another...as jessica already said...all of this rule is preety clear ...so ...yeah..
2:21:39 He could make them play rock paper scissors.
For the most part kenz got her votes cause she was most liked over the other two
That's like every season though. 😭
0:23 Not Jessica coming in with the auctioneer vibes!
first 10 minutes and I am already frustrated.
What David and Jessica have to understand is that rules have to be fair. Outcomes can be unfair.
When Jessica drew rock the rules were fair, only outcome was unfair.
Contestants touching other contestant's pieces, puzzles, etc. should be banned by rule. Verbal help is fine.
In this case, since rule allowed it, Liz and Kenzie can't be called cheaters because the fault is within the rule. bcoz the loser producers of Survivor are just too stupid.
eg: Laura physically doing puzzles of Tina in caramoan instead of verbal helping.
Players should be not allowed to touch other player's pieces, walk through other player's path, etc. Anything Verbal is fine.
Yeah, I think if Liz just went down and counted Kenzie’s holes instead of actually grabbing the piece then the end effect would have been the same but it would have been less controversial because it still would have technically just been verbal help.
OK - my hot fire take. Making fire wouldn't have helped Charlie -- but it DID help Kenzie. Not because it's a "move," but it's a part of her narrative. Prior to the challenge, I said that if Kenzie won fire, it would cement her underdog story -- always fighting from the beginning. Kenzie took it one part further, and added that she started the game without fire. And if Maria is to be believed, firemaking did influence her vote.
I think with more social-game emotional juries like this one, narrative is really starting to matter. With such a close social game, Kenzie had the best story. So my take is that Charlie should have done fire. Not to deny Kenzie the "move," but to stop her from getting that satisfying ending to her story.
(Also, glad to see Liz getting the credit she deserves. Too many people see the Kenzie & Ben interviews and go 'of course they're saying nice things about her, they're friends!' Consider, perhaps, that people are being... honest? I'm certain the folks who were there have a much better take on Liz' game than those of us at home.)
A lot of bad takes on this in my humble opinion. This was more of a why Charlie was screwed over episode than Why Kenzie won episode
The worst part of this pod is when Jessica thinks she needs to say “yes they do!” Like jessica just let Dave say his thing we don’t need or want that