I really miss the sparkly, epic look of graphics from this era. I like the "big orchestra" style of music that accompanied them. Had kind of a future-y, optimistic feel.
I worked with David Moore at Sullivan and Associates at the office on the top of the hill. I did the stop motion photography for ABC Special Presentation. David had a dart board in the office and would get stoned and toss darts. Ha ha
@@MartinSage Yes he was a crazy SOB. I miss the old ways some times but love the speed and quality of the new tools. Are you still doing this type of work.
This is the stuff I loved so much. My favorite look for promos. Need more of this style stuff in my life. Exactly why I loved the look of Tron, Xanadu, and early Epcot.
Amazing.....and at :40, the Paramount Television Service.....planned to launch a new Star Trek series, but ultimately canned, while the Star Trek series became the Star Trek movies. And the logo was ultimately modified for Paramount's Home Video logo and a variant used for Paramount's Television division in the early 1980s.
Yes, and that proposed series, "Star Trek: Phase II", that was to be the first series aired on Paramount's canceled TV network, already had some production work done before they pulled the plug on it all, which was repurposed to make the first Star Trek movie shortly afterward, IIRC.
Funny how back then, just never knew these were early computer graphics. Just thought they were animated somehow. Think many of us had no idea how they did them. Really miss the vibrant colors and that "WOW" factor. I think in the pursuit of trying to make CG realistic we really lost something magical.
No computer graphics in any of these, just very well done camera movements and light animations. Back in the day you would place an overlay with the graphic over a super bright light with a color gel over it, then photograph it and the bright light reacting with the cameras back then would produce that glowy border around everything. The light effects would then be overlayed/printed onto the existing film. Long process, but produced way cooler effects than anything a computer could.
Cant be too sure of that, they were not using the market /consumer grade machines or programs that we are familiar today running on a specific operating sys.. they used custom operation modules back then it was all programs they wrote specific to their requirement on high end mediums and magnetic devices.. it was a whole other era. Going by your logic making early classics like Tron 1981 movie or The Abyss and later Terminator 2 would have been next to impossible! 🕶
This was made with scanimate and its analoge. Its not digital Computer gfx just analoge camera effects. Its a Heck of a process but they didnt need to "Render" Frames.
Super late but - this is what’s known as backlit animation, which uses black mattes with light shining through them to create the lens flares, which are actual, real life flares produced by the camera as each frame of animation is exposed. Tron is a good example of a film that made heavy use of it, also lots of 80’s era anime like Akira.
I get how the camera is controlled and shoots each frame exactly as they meticulously planned it... But how did they get the light sparks so nice? Computer controlled lights there they pointed it?
Earliest cgi was about 2d, and not 3d. As you can see, already at THIS point, they had MASTERED it. 2d CGI by the early 90’s was nearly dead, but it did last a little while longer.
Hello people, I have two questions: did backlit animation multi-pass techniques use Oxberry machines? Was Oxberry-based animation the only non-cartoon analog alternative to Scanimate in the 1970s, or there were other analog animation techniques at that time?
Not that I'm aware of. There was the System IV, but it was in the early 80's. It had digital keyframing and digital 3D animation, but the input was via monochrome video, such as in Scanimate. Unfortunattely I couldn't find more information about System IV, so take this information with a grain of salt.
They could very well have been skillfully hand-drawn. Some of it might even be real lens flares leaking through, I guess. I too would love to see a _making of_.
It looks incredible. I assume the reason for the black/starlit backgrounds was because it was easier to animate. Nowadays, they can make a station logo segment in full CG with no problem!
It used to be in business a long time ago, but it's booked solid now, so these graphic demo reels are all that's left of it 🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞📽📽📽📽📽📽📽📽📽📽📽📽.
@@MartinSage How do you do? My name is Alex Morrison and I watched the Sullivan & Marks graphics demo reel from 1978 and I understand that it used to be in business a long time ago and now it's booked solid now, so these graphic demo reels are all that's left of it 🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞📽📽📽📽📽📽📽📽📽📽📽📽.
@@SuperAV21 Numerically yes. Not in any other way. Culturally and the movements that would be expressed later in the 80s decade plus. I am not numerically contending that.
@@SuperAV21 cause the 70s are a decade and there are decades but in the culture and the technology and the fashion and other ways the 70's kinda ended in 1976 in that way. It just evolved over that way. You can see the bell bottoms go and the makeup change and the hair styles change. Just it was how it was going.
@@valentine_puppy Okay, then. If that's the way you see things, you do yourself. I was born in 1988, and have turned 33 over a month ago; making myself a kid of the 1990s through the mid-2000s. Am I wrong about it?
All of this is highly-awesome, but I still must point out that mmmmaybe if you're going to abbreviate the name of your firm as "S&M" you may choose to style your logo in a fashion which is not quite so reminiscent of rhinestones and leather. just sayin'. I mean, unless you wanna. Which is also fine.
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I really miss the sparkly, epic look of graphics from this era. I like the "big orchestra" style of music that accompanied them. Had kind of a future-y, optimistic feel.
***** Didn't know that was the HBO theme.. (I grew up during the era when only kids with rich parents had cable.)
theproplady So you didn't know. No need to be snotty about it.
@DmitriLeon2000 yeah but the tone was a little higher
@DmitriLeon2000 What HBO Music IS That?
@@sailormoonrietwilightsunse8666 the 1975 promo
Is it just me, or does all this stuff look so much more rich and engaging than today’s graphics and animations?
nono youre right
These days cgi is an A.I. generated mess. Back then it was a form of art.
It’s not just you. It’s the little reasons like these that make me want to time travel to the 70s-90s.
Too true Chrissy Cuts.
69th like
WOW I just came across this. My brother was David Moore, and I learned optical compositing from him when I was 17....amazing. RIP bro.
I worked with David Moore at Sullivan and Associates at the office on the top of the hill. I did the stop motion photography for ABC Special Presentation. David had a dart board in the office and would get stoned and toss darts. Ha ha
@@MartinSage Yes he was a crazy SOB. I miss the old ways some times but love the speed and quality of the new tools. Are you still doing this type of work.
You guys had a great job, i never thought you guys worked there!
This is the stuff I loved so much. My favorite look for promos. Need more of this style stuff in my life. Exactly why I loved the look of Tron, Xanadu, and early Epcot.
Amazing.....and at :40, the Paramount Television Service.....planned to launch a new Star Trek series, but ultimately canned, while the Star Trek series became the Star Trek movies. And the logo was ultimately modified for Paramount's Home Video logo and a variant used for Paramount's Television division in the early 1980s.
You mean 0:40
Yes, and that proposed series, "Star Trek: Phase II", that was to be the first series aired on Paramount's canceled TV network, already had some production work done before they pulled the plug on it all, which was repurposed to make the first Star Trek movie shortly afterward, IIRC.
Puts a smile on your face instantly.. NOW THATS THE MAGIC OF RETRO!
Would be interesting as hell to see a making of of this!
this is pure, concentrated, weapons grade 1970s
Yeah I'm into S&M... big fan of their animated graphics.
This made me really happy for some reason :)
Funny how back then, just never knew these were early computer graphics. Just thought they were animated somehow. Think many of us had no idea how they did them. Really miss the vibrant colors and that "WOW" factor. I think in the pursuit of trying to make CG realistic we really lost something magical.
No computer graphics in any of these, just very well done camera movements and light animations. Back in the day you would place an overlay with the graphic over a super bright light with a color gel over it, then photograph it and the bright light reacting with the cameras back then would produce that glowy border around everything. The light effects would then be overlayed/printed onto the existing film. Long process, but produced way cooler effects than anything a computer could.
imagine waiting days for a single light flare animation to render hahaha thats epic
Cant be too sure of that, they were not using the market /consumer grade machines or programs that we are familiar today running on a specific operating sys.. they used custom operation modules back then it was all programs they wrote specific to their requirement on high end mediums and magnetic devices.. it was a whole other era. Going by your logic making early classics like Tron 1981 movie or The Abyss and later Terminator 2 would have been next to impossible! 🕶
This was made with scanimate and its analoge. Its not digital Computer gfx just analoge camera effects. Its a Heck of a process but they didnt need to "Render" Frames.
@@worldsendace
Apparently this isn't even Scanimate... It's actually super complex cel animation.
Super late but - this is what’s known as backlit animation, which uses black mattes with light shining through them to create the lens flares, which are actual, real life flares produced by the camera as each frame of animation is exposed. Tron is a good example of a film that made heavy use of it, also lots of 80’s era anime like Akira.
Very artistic. Well done and unique.
Beautiful!
Wow, looks really cool
Love this vidéo
Good stuff!!
We have seen it all Retro 80s/90s
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@@elkamora2469 Why
this was actually more 1960s-1970s.
S&M is my kinda thing! (Oh...and I also enjoyed the video.)😈
Makes me think of the old HBO logo too!
I get how the camera is controlled and shoots each frame exactly as they meticulously planned it... But how did they get the light sparks so nice? Computer controlled lights there they pointed it?
Win Schutten I wonder if Scanimate could do it too
Back lit pin registration. No computers at that time on late '70's early 80's
I looooove it !!!!
Music:
HBO 1975 Promo 1
If General Motors would have had its OnStar service in the '70's, it could have used the imagery at :59
How were sparkles made back then? I’ve wanted to know for a long time and I can’t find anything about that with Google.
Backlit animation with cross star filters placed over the camera.
Earliest cgi was about 2d, and not 3d. As you can see, already at THIS point, they had MASTERED it. 2d CGI by the early 90’s was nearly dead, but it did last a little while longer.
Wait... the music... That’s the old HBO theme, isn’t it?
Kojo Adjin-Tettey They also did the same theme for the defunct Home Theater Network (HTN) in the 1980's.
Nev: Main Channel yes we need the name!
Darude - Sandstorm
@@jimscott2050 .--------.
@@jimscott2050 Seriously?
Hello people, I have two questions: did backlit animation multi-pass techniques use Oxberry machines? Was Oxberry-based animation the only non-cartoon analog alternative to Scanimate in the 1970s, or there were other analog animation techniques at that time?
Not that I'm aware of. There was the System IV, but it was in the early 80's. It had digital keyframing and digital 3D animation, but the input was via monochrome video, such as in Scanimate. Unfortunattely I couldn't find more information about System IV, so take this information with a grain of salt.
WHAT'S BEING DONE IN '21....DOESN'T EVEN COME CLOSE!
S&M? Probably should've thought that through a little first.
Ohhh myyyy!
+PIX Promos & More They knew (I was there). The 70's were a little naughty and they had fun with the S&M thing. :)
We did think it through! It was an inside joke based on the way we worked!
"S&M" followed by "WE'RE THE ONE!"
Very good. ;-)
Hmmm... you think that "USC Toward Century II" might be the inspiration for TPS (Turner Program Services)' first logo?
Any comments on Justice's DVNO video as an homage, Jeff?
I want that America back
Tell me about it sister..
How did the do this analog lensflares on the font?
They could very well have been skillfully hand-drawn. Some of it might even be real lens flares leaking through, I guess. I too would love to see a _making of_.
It was back lit graphics shot with a 35mm Mitchell on a huge copy stand. How do I know? I worked there as a Cameraman.
Channel 5, WEWS, Cleveland!
Who wants scanimate to return. Cause I do
Should be for music videos
This isn't scanimate, it's all slit-scan/backlit optical stuff done on film. More expensive than scanimate.
@@MattMcIrvin What does that mean?
@@MattMcIrvin ooooh, even cooler!
HBO's Earliest theme
WHAT'S BEING DONE IN '21....CAN'T EVEN COME CLOSE!
That's an unfortunate acronym there
Such a sexy video!
0:44 The CW before it was called the CW.
This was an alternative to scanimation?
Yep. Nothing Scanimated here, just nice and complex cel animation.
It looks incredible. I assume the reason for the black/starlit backgrounds was because it was easier to animate. Nowadays, they can make a station logo segment in full CG with no problem!
Yes, which were the rostrum cameras.
Is the company still in business?
I don't think so..
No
It used to be in business a long time ago, but it's booked solid now, so these graphic demo reels are all that's left of it 🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞📽📽📽📽📽📽📽📽📽📽📽📽.
@@MartinSage How do you do? My name is Alex Morrison and I watched the Sullivan & Marks graphics demo reel from 1978 and I understand that it used to be in business a long time ago and now it's booked solid now, so these graphic demo reels are all that's left of it 🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎦🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞📽📽📽📽📽📽📽📽📽📽📽📽.
@@lexiconmorrison7902 Did Wendy Vanguard did the 1992 TBN ID and the 1992 TBN Praise the Lord opening and closing credits?
What's the name of this technique?
1982
HBO 1975 Music (full version)?
(Or extended?)
Same as it was too. Both the HBO 1975 and HTN has the same theme.
@@Musicradio77Network what's htn
@@gab2022-bichosbichos Home Theater Network (now called Travel Channel)
1968
1971
1979
1980
1969
DVNO... Four capital letters...
1970
This is HBO right?
what's that music called?
HBO (1975)
medialazystuff2001 / joaquin2007 And then came the HLN (Home Theater Network) theme.
wait a sec
what song is used?
oh. the hbo 1975 promo theme.
0:41 Paramount
1969 And
No seriously. They called themselves S&M?
Song?
koz.
HBO 1975/HTN 1980s music.
This is 1978? Alright, then it's the 80's. 1977 to Jan 1995 is the 80's.
1978 was part of the 1970s decade.
@@SuperAV21 Numerically yes. Not in any other way. Culturally and the movements that would be expressed later in the 80s decade plus. I am not numerically contending that.
@@valentine_puppy How come?
@@SuperAV21 cause the 70s are a decade and there are decades but in the culture and the technology and the fashion and other ways the 70's kinda ended in 1976 in that way. It just evolved over that way. You can see the bell bottoms go and the makeup change and the hair styles change. Just it was how it was going.
@@valentine_puppy Okay, then. If that's the way you see things, you do yourself. I was born in 1988, and have turned 33 over a month ago; making myself a kid of the 1990s through the mid-2000s. Am I wrong about it?
What are ice capades?
A traveling ice show that often featured former Olympic skaters.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Capades
All of this is highly-awesome, but I still must point out that mmmmaybe if you're going to abbreviate the name of your firm as "S&M" you may choose to style your logo in a fashion which is not quite so reminiscent of rhinestones and leather.
just sayin'.
I mean, unless you wanna. Which is also fine.
1981