@@superbanaan9 Still wouldn't work. You'd still need to predict the exact time the computer asks for a capture from the camera stream. Since the camera itself does not know when it's stream has a snapshot taken.
That is actually really smart and clever. Using an everyday item as an encryption tool and encouraging people to see it to encrypt it further is genius
While this is cool as hell it won't work in the future when quantum computers become viable brute forcing this will become easy I'm not saying it isn't good I'm saying that quantum computers are literally millions of times better than even the best super computers
Some examples... - Yoghurt wrapper, folded to make a spoon. - Socks to make a neat bun hairstyle. - Wire hangers to clear blocked drains. - Telephone box as a little library.
The weakest point in any security is human interference. I work at a place that has basically a monthy requirement that needs to hit 70% or above which is to keep people sharp on security matters. People literally get around it by making screenshots of the right answers when the questions get a bit tough to answer. Anyone below 60% is a security risk, and I know at least 5 people who are technically at 70%, but realistically they are closer to 55%. Worst part is, 1 of them was part of the team who created that 70% monthly standard and was involved in making the questions. Even the most secure savvy person has their weakpoint. All they need is 1 intercepted email, 1 intercepted sms verification (which ss7 can do) and too many companies still rely on 2 factor sms.
if the company hired a stoner for their security concepts they are even more likely exploitable, and deserve to get hacked. people with vices are much easier to exploit as they rely on a service from already immoral individuals that you could EASILY pay a few bucks to snatch their phone while they're stoned and put a RAT on the device so the second they enter the facility the network is accessible from a remote location. im casting no shade on stoners, but this is the reality of malicious actors. just look at statistics of how many hacks are executed through human error alone.
They may not have to due to latency. You could be getting all the encrypted keys, but they would be useless if you are getting them milliseconds late because by the time you find the key, the key would have already changed.
Frr, as a programmer who's working on an app with user encryption and I'm trying to figure out the most secure ways, I TOTALLY understand Cloudflare's approach here (I'm a cloudflare user who'd heavily get f*cked if cloudflare gets hacked) Any lava lamp that breaks, any earthquake, literally anything that happens besides the lava lamps just chilling will intensify the encryption
Actually, no. This is just PR. They can use anything to generate a numbers for the encryption keys. A sound, a text in the computer, etc. Anything will generate what they need. They just decided to make something cool and unpredictable instead. If you research about encryption a little bit, this is not interesting, it's just funny.
@@akiraic I believe the original comment was implying that whoever came up with this idea was intoxicated. Especially since they selected a lava lamp to use. I’m picturing someone sitting there “high on life” staring at a lava lamp when the idea came to them.
@@SDCSW4321 ...that explains jokes that "go over their heads" as well. You get it, I get it, most don't. I guarantee it's pot to blame for this one. Gotta be.
Knowing that ultra modern hackers are being defeated by 1970s lava lamps is simultaneously one of the most interesting and most hilarious things I have ever heard.
Honestly the natural world is the best inspiration for any solution if we just look around. And by that I mean the way physics play out in lavalamps (cuz obviously lavalamps are man-made).
@@akiraic , the problem is coming up with a loop of code that can be impossible to predict , such a pattern is very complex. The solution to this is very simple , just put in hundreds of lamps .
Well the meaning of "wall of entropy" is literally a wall of randomness as entropy stands as randomness, it is taught in thermodynamics that entropy of universe is constantly increasing.
you go visit the wall and then disrupt the camera that's interpreting the lava lamp movements so that it's looking at a static image or something that has predictable movements
@@redunbiased8417 it's not his pattern. This is like saying if you invented the knife to stab things, but now I use it to spread butter on toast that I have to pay you for that usage beyond just the cost of the knife
It doesn't really matter, even if the camera breaks that just means the random number stops changing until they fix it but even then trying to reverse engineer it would take weeks at best meanwhile it'll take them hours at most to install a spare camera and you'd have to have someone purposefully trying to hack it in that brief period it stopped working. It's like keeping your door locked 24/7 but suddenly one random day you decide to leave it unlocked for 10 seconds at 3 AM, who the hell is gonna try opening your door at that exact moment when they already know it's always locked by default??
No it is not protected by one camera. You literally didn‘t listen to the already extremely easy explanation in this short. The protecting is done by a system that randomly calculates the encryption. Even if the camera fails the system still works.
Not really, not only someone has to predict the movements of each lamp but also predict then one will be broken? How does that get codes? Multiple zeros??? Or nothing at all? Maybe they also set a random value for a missing lava lamp that makes the whole "predict this" even more absurd!!
@@izyanazhad5015I never thought that there was such thing as a douch bag so large that they would correct something as small as to and too no one fucking cares
@@izyanazhad5015 I never knew there was such a thing as a douch bag so large it covers the earth by correcting a grammar mistake that isn’t noticeable and nobody cares about even if they did notice
@@deimudda2130there's a big gap between being a grammar nazi and typing *too. In fact, with how much literacy has declined I'd say they're doing a small service and you, a disservice.
@@Soken50 Exactly. They can be predicted and a truly talented hacker will figure out the pattern or just crack the code regardless. The Pentagon is still more secure than this.
@@DeletedDevilDeletedAngel That's the joke, the uncertainty of quantum effects on the jiggling of atoms and the larger scale thermodynamics and fluid dynamics makes it impossible to model with enough precision to predict the outcome for any meaningful length of time.
if this is real and they posted it online it's either a great marketing solution for people who know very little to feel good about their "services/security" or a serious act of hubris... all it takes is to place a looping video file in the right place and have a lazy employee with bad personal device protocol for this to be an absolute mistake.
hi boss how about using lava lamps to encrypt? thanks Joe, would you step outside and go with the 2 men in white coats. note to HR: make damned sure drug testing is used for every employee
there's also a few backups in event that the camera breaks, the camera also carries some internal noise so it would continue being random if obstructed
yeah even a covered camera records tons of noise. the lava lamps are more of a publicity stunt, and a very successful one at that. in reality they likely primarily rely on specialized RNG hardware, such as those that detect nuclear decay from radioactive material. with our current understanding it's literally impossible to predict even under ideal lab conditions
Damn. Plot foiled lol. Maybe there's an image that both doesn't get detected and provides a deterministic PRNG seed though. Assuming the camera is connected via power-over-Ethernet. Would be a hilarious heist.
Plot twist: you can write a code detailed enough to predict lava lamps randomness 😂 I’ve just watched a video where a robot is so good with real physics that it bounces a ping pong ball in amazing ways and tricks. After that I believe machines integrating with real world can be very detailed indeed
@@aidarsharafullin6900 But that code has to tale into consideration a lot of changing variables that a hacker wouldn't know about each lava lamp. They probably have bulbs of varying heat levels which effects how fast the "lava" warms and rises. In the video he also mentions that it's taking in ALL visible changes (not just how the "lava" moves) and since people are walking within the view and also seems to be open to outside light the random changes of human activity or cloud cover/city night lights changes the result.
@@ShaggyCZ it's probably because because it scans the environment and create an encryption based on lighting, shape, color, hue, saturation or whatever they used so if even your finger got in the frame of the camera you would contribute making the code safer
or pay a prospective tinder date of an employee to put a RAT on their phone to get network access; then work on privilege escalation, and/or mac-match the device the cam connects to, observe till you reverse engineer the algo (or pay someone to do so that is knowledgeable enough to do so) and late when no one is there set a looped feed in between cam/terminal and exploit.. just saying. not impossible. and all they did by posting this is give any malicious actors insight into their mentality/false confidence.
Cloudflare did not invent this idea but it is cool to see. It was patented in 1996 which expired in 2016 (US5732138A) and is commonly known as lavarand. Entropy for cryptography is a huge rabbit hole which is honestly mostly philosophical.
Next video: "The hacker took a low level security guard job and slowly replaced the original lava lamps over the next 8 years! The new lava lamps looked unpredictable but were actually being generated by the hacker!"
They didnt even have to do that. Cloudflare did get hacked. They just bypassed the code. You can only make so much of the system gibberish before no computer or person can read it or use it. And its this reason that nobody or thing is unhackable
@@Amnionic Even then the code would be random. Basically the only way to have any chance of hacking this is to cover the camera so it has a completely black image. It would be really difficult though.
Do to how Chaotic lava lamps are as well as the insane number Of variables that could affect their pattern this would be Impossible even the best Supercomputer would fail to do so
Imagine the board meeting where they thought of that. CEO: “we need to find a way to completely protect our users” That one guy at the office: “hear me out here… lava lamps.”
Board room meeting? We used to have 'safety meetings' at work, which is where you gather around behind the dumpster to smoke a joint, and I'm pretty sure that's where this idea came from.
@@Templarfreak True, the method can vary, but the objective is the same. IE find a weakness and exploit it. The example above is comically simple and easy to visualize.
@@ShiftingEcho But it'd risk the entire thing; someone could easily come in and steal all the lamps, resulting in the entire defense going down. On the other hand, it'd make a lot more sense to simply keep the real thing somewhere safe, where no one can easily fck with the lamps.
@@olpivsrineta there's a backup in their Linux systems, else they just use the other randomization options from their London and Singapore offices - check their website
they dont need to be hacked, it's already happened where a rogue employee sold all user data or atleast they blamed it on the employee (which i think is just to save the company)
@@rodrigovillegas2263 why not use a wall of lava lamps? All that matters is that there is a sufficient amount of chaos that the state can't be predicted or reversed, fluid dynamics has yet to be solved with the navier stokes' equations.
Wouldn’t work, even if the hidden camera somehow phased into the security camera but was off by a millimeter, it wouldn’t work and wouldn’t get the same sequence as the security camera.
@@maxtan-kf8gzye plus maybe their camera is too high quality, maybe it's too low quality, maybe the code that calculates the lava lamps is intentionally weird, maybe there's a second, secret lavalamp wall, so many difficulties
Nope, that was croudstrike. Cloudflare and Croudstrike are two different companies that have similar (yet kinda different) goals. Croudstrike is the one with those windows stuff while Cloudflare is focused on internet traffic. There is your answer :)
Nope, that was croudstrike. Cloudflare and Croudstrike are two different companies that have similar (yet kinda different) goals. Croudstrike is the one with those windows stuff while Cloudflare is focused on internet traffic. There is your answer :)
Nope, that was croudstrike. Cloudflare and Croudstrike are two different companies that have similar (yet kinda different) goals. Croudstrike is the one with those windows stuff while Cloudflare is focused on internet traffic. There is your answer :)
It’s not random, it’s chaotic. Because of effects like Brownian motion acting on the interfaces between the different liquids, even if you could start two lamps in an identical state, they would soon be behaving differently.
@@sub7se7enwhat we do know is that quantum science is entirely probabilistic, there is zero chance of knowing the outcome unless theoretically you just guessed quadrillions of times
Fun fact: Lava Lamps are actually used in the Wall of Entropy at Cloudfare for encryption purposes. At the HQ there's a wall that's floor to ceiling covered in lava lamps, the movement of the wax is tracked by a camera which then takes the changes of the wax and converts it to code. This method is an incredibly secure way to encrypt data due to the random nature of the wax being better than fake randomness in a computer! So they aren't completely "pointless!"
The Live feed is basicly making a steganography password if people don't understand how it works. normally a steganography password is used from just an image, you can show that picture to anyone but if they don't know the paassword or how to decrypt the code behind the picture they will never get the password. a wall of lava lamp steganography password is fucking genius, not only having a layer of Ai Generation for creating a password but also the True chaos and randomness from the Lamps. Entropy is such a fitting name. EDIT: it doesn't really have a layer of ai generation but a fluid variations coded output generation. i called it a layer of ai beacuse to the layman its close enough for people to understand but as pointed out to me i will add this to claify to those who would understand some of whats said that its not an ai or even a learning program. still fucking genius coding.
its not.... euughh. Translation of the wall of lava lamps isnt ai. (atleast not the way ppl talk about ai now. Its more similar to... how a computer player is an AI. its hardcoded, not flexible...)
No it's not genius. They could pay me $50 and I could give them a string of random numbers and it would save a huge amount of electricity in the long run. Watch this: 1, 78, 2, 77, 3... simple as!
@@link_team3855 well of course, you can't ai a stenography password from a fitful image, it was a broad enough explanation without going into too much detail on how it would code a password from a live feed. (you could... but the learning algo would probably burn a hole through the floor from this live feed) but i will elaborate as much i deem is sufficient for the more than layman to understand ----------------------- long term short; a constant Image with variations occasionally with the same hardcode to decrypt is ALMOST a randomly generated password. however a fitful image or live feed with variations regardless of the hardcode to decrypt with enough changes and it being a constant than that hardcode would change from the original to be randomly generated. ---------------------------- yes you are correct by the terms of it truest sense of ai its not coding it self nor a learning program. however an hardcoded input changing its own hardcode based on what's observed to output a functional output (password in this case) while maintain its original rule of giving a valid output would be considered an Intelligence from hardcode. am i biased by defending my own answer: yes. Am i wrong to call it an ai: Yes does it really change anything: not really besides making me have to explain shit that wasn't needed.. Were you at fault for bringing this up and waste my time: No. (i value peoples input and while your comment did contradict exactly what the hardcoding is and what i called it, it still gave me the chance to give you an answer to explain why i called it an ai and will edit my comment at the end of it and just clarify its not a true ai) Thank you for you input regardless.
@@link_team3855 my reply to your comment was for some reason rejected by youtube.. all i did was explain while yes you were right its not a ai, the code outputing a different output while also changing its own code to continuously output a different type of output from a fitful input is close enough to a learn program that the code its self could be considered ai. it was just a broad label i gave to it for those layman who wouldn't understand the nuisances of output generation from an input with a fluid hardcode. is it ai: no am i biased for defending my example: yes were you wrong to say this: no (i value other peoples opinion even though yours sorta contradicted my evaluation of the piece and video you still brought up a good point and i edited my orginal comment to add to the end for those who do understand like you do that its not really an ai) thank you for your input and opinion.
This is definitely one of the coolest shorts I've seen. This is just a brilliant idea all around, even if the lamps lose power for some reason it's still gonna make perfectly random code, I really can't think of a downside to this. Hell, even if they all fell over and broke theyre just lava lamps, probably under $1000 to replace the entire wall which is pennies to a big company. Just brilliant lol, I love this.
"The firewall isnt hot enough to stop hackers."
"Then upgrade it into a lavawall."
Bro this is so creative
Underrated.
Cold 🥶
I hope this gets 100.000 likes
CREATIVITY FELLA SPOTTED!
Whoever decided it should be called the Wall Of Entropy needs a raise.
Sounds like something straight out of DC
Entropy is the degree of randomness of a system
@@ValKS-0 I know what entropy is... The name itself goes hard and sounds ominous and intimidating, which is why they need a raise
@@vaguelyhumanoid7419 fr. Wall of Entrophy goes so hard. Like, they dont need to go that hard for a wall of lava lamp, and yet they did
Goes so fucking hard for a wall of lavalamp
“Hey uh, I broke a lava lamp..”
“Oh that’s fine, you just increased our security tenfold.”
Here is the pay check too 😂
and a raise😂
And a ticket 🎟️ to the diddy party
@@DaveSpike-xz5fy ok thats wild bro lmao
@@DaveSpike-xz5fy GET OUT!!!
*Engineer takes a bong rip*
“You know what would be really cool?”
*Passes the bong, takes a rip*
"Yup we're implementing that tomorrow"
😭 and they say weed makes you dumb Nothing but lies 🤧
@@fryz "My man! You're a fucking goddamn genius, you hippy bastard!"
when some hacker places his own camera in the existing one u hacked it so ezly its not even hard to hack it all u need is another camera
@@superbanaan9 Still wouldn't work. You'd still need to predict the exact time the computer asks for a capture from the camera stream. Since the camera itself does not know when it's stream has a snapshot taken.
That is actually really smart and clever. Using an everyday item as an encryption tool and encouraging people to see it to encrypt it further is genius
Yeah!!
The next lvl of enigma.
Yeah, and lava lamps are usually cheap too so if anybody breaks it, it can be easily replaced
@@wheayt
Even the "broken-ness" adds more randomness. Lol
@@wheayt Those lamps don't look cheap, tho probably still cheap to them
“We need to protect 10% of all internet users, how can we?”
Them: *L A V A L A M P*
the moth council approved the use of lamps
Lol
Bruh
Real
@@justanotherweirdchannel8785LÄÛÕMP
Never fails to blow my mind how a random object that someone made for fun can have an actual purpose. So many scenarios like this
So having fun is purposeless, my life serves to have purpose anymore, Good Bye cruel world
@@rrtttfthxg2143basically yeah, having fun can have a porpose but the fun lava lamps have is porposeless
While this is cool as hell it won't work in the future when quantum computers become viable brute forcing this will become easy I'm not saying it isn't good I'm saying that quantum computers are literally millions of times better than even the best super computers
Everything has a potential use. it's just a matter of considering what unique properties are available to the object you're considering
Some examples...
- Yoghurt wrapper, folded to make a spoon.
- Socks to make a neat bun hairstyle.
- Wire hangers to clear blocked drains.
- Telephone box as a little library.
They got hacked because one of their staff got phished around january this year. It's always an inside job that breaks fortresses
The weakest point in any security is human interference.
I work at a place that has basically a monthy requirement that needs to hit 70% or above which is to keep people sharp on security matters.
People literally get around it by making screenshots of the right answers when the questions get a bit tough to answer.
Anyone below 60% is a security risk, and I know at least 5 people who are technically at 70%, but realistically they are closer to 55%.
Worst part is, 1 of them was part of the team who created that 70% monthly standard and was involved in making the questions.
Even the most secure savvy person has their weakpoint. All they need is 1 intercepted email, 1 intercepted sms verification (which ss7 can do) and too many companies still rely on 2 factor sms.
That’s how hackers do stuff, most of the stuff you see in Hollywood movies with hackers is incorrect, the job is more than 90% just social engineering
@@Predated2eye opener
Back then: the floor is lava
Now: The cloud is Lava
Lmao was looking for this! 😂 🏅
Sorry this is too funny I have to copy this now I apologise 😢
Brilliant! :D
They need another wall of lamps just for hackers to not be able to hack that camera
@@Countryballz_plzlaugh at least you are being honest
"predict this you filthy hacker"
[lavalamps them]
They hit the hackers with the full force of the “70’s” 😂
*Gets lavalamped *
Get lavalamped, idiot.
Imaginary technique: lavalamp
@@pikariocraftf2802this made me think of jjk
You know the person that came up with this was stoned staring at a lava lamp one night
if the company hired a stoner for their security concepts they are even more likely exploitable, and deserve to get hacked. people with vices are much easier to exploit as they rely on a service from already immoral individuals that you could EASILY pay a few bucks to snatch their phone while they're stoned and put a RAT on the device so the second they enter the facility the network is accessible from a remote location. im casting no shade on stoners, but this is the reality of malicious actors. just look at statistics of how many hacks are executed through human error alone.
Most underrated comment on this vid
as someone who is high i agree
Yes 😊
@@platinum-or3ysame 😊
I sure as hell hope they use this code for the cameras themselves too lol
It's only part of the rng
They may not have to due to latency. You could be getting all the encrypted keys, but they would be useless if you are getting them milliseconds late because by the time you find the key, the key would have already changed.
Someone: Hacking into servers
Devs: Get lavalamped
Its lavalampin time
@@static7815I lavalamped all over the place 😫
@@SleekHerooyou're gonna make me lava lamp so hard 😩😩😩
@@SleekHerooyour sleekness make me lavalamp all over the classroom 😩😩😩😫😫😫
@@thestinkiestpp1894why are y'all like this fr
Lava lamp: * Falls and break *
Code: * INTENSIFIES *
Imagine if the headquarters under an earthquake, the difficulty rise up 10000%!
@@matthewrajagukguk5406over 9000 is too hard💀
lol😅
Hell yeah
Frr, as a programmer who's working on an app with user encryption and I'm trying to figure out the most secure ways, I TOTALLY understand Cloudflare's approach here (I'm a cloudflare user who'd heavily get f*cked if cloudflare gets hacked)
Any lava lamp that breaks, any earthquake, literally anything that happens besides the lava lamps just chilling will intensify the encryption
Imagine knowing that your internet is protected by lava lamps lmao
*by a camera filming lava lamps
🫢
Vulnerable
I feel very secure
Imagine having a secret so you can be 'better'😂
@@SalSanchez-dy6cn what?
@@Border_Hoppr in a suit
This is a perfect blend of innovation and artistry in problem solving.
"This is incredible! How do you make such complex codes?"
"Lava Lamps"
"...what"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
*Cracks Knuckles*
Looks Like I Got A New Goal... *Sigh*
IF THIS REPLY GETS 100,000 LIKES I WILL BECOME A HACKER AND DEVOTE MY LIFE TO HACK THE SREVERS
This reads like something in an HFY story XD
@@hacker-tp1gicringe
@@hacker-tp1gino😊
“The Wall Of Entropy” is actually a kickass name
So this is the cloudfare thats sucking everday.
Fire wall
damn that's a fire wall (literally)
sounds like something out of fiction
@@ilhamagungp654Even stronger, Lava Wall
I refuse to believe this idea came from a sober person.
Agreed
Actually, no. This is just PR. They can use anything to generate a numbers for the encryption keys. A sound, a text in the computer, etc. Anything will generate what they need. They just decided to make something cool and unpredictable instead. If you research about encryption a little bit, this is not interesting, it's just funny.
@@akiraic I believe the original comment was implying that whoever came up with this idea was intoxicated. Especially since they selected a lava lamp to use.
I’m picturing someone sitting there “high on life” staring at a lava lamp when the idea came to them.
@@SDCSW4321 ...that explains jokes that "go over their heads" as well. You get it, I get it, most don't. I guarantee it's pot to blame for this one. Gotta be.
....single sheet to block the lava lamps
Knowing that ultra modern hackers are being defeated by 1970s lava lamps is simultaneously one of the most interesting and most hilarious things I have ever heard.
Thats actually genius, using random non electrical things to create codes
Edit: Non computer generated instead of non electrical.
Still need electricity to heat up the lamp but yeah
Lava lamps are electrical
@TapMeBro…
What they hacked the camera that converts the codes
😂
Non-computer-generated*
Definition of "simple solution to a very complex problem"
Honestly the natural world is the best inspiration for any solution if we just look around. And by that I mean the way physics play out in lavalamps (cuz obviously lavalamps are man-made).
actually, a complex solution to a simple problem.
@@akiraica few lavalamps protecting the entire internet is the simplest solution i can think of
This is a bit more whimsical though I've also seen people use specific weather patterns because they can be chaotic and impossible to predict.
@@akiraic , the problem is coming up with a loop of code that can be impossible to predict , such a pattern is very complex. The solution to this is very simple , just put in hundreds of lamps .
"If it looks stupid and works, it is not stupid."
Facts 😂
You haven't met my brother then.
@@PorkchopExpression that's why it says "and works"
The guy that came up with this idea have his mind living in an higher plane of existence, this is genius.
The "Wall of Entropy" is the coolest name ever. A bunch of lava lamps look sick too so that's 2-0, hackers
Well the meaning of "wall of entropy" is literally a wall of randomness as entropy stands as randomness, it is taught in thermodynamics that entropy of universe is constantly increasing.
This guy gets hacked, 2-1 hackers. 👁👄👁
@@jyotidash3987 isn't entropy the unavailability of energy as the universe expands?
@@lick28no, it measures the degree of randomness
@@ValKS-0what is randomness?
"Hack this, you filthy casual."
Just break em
@@sumaleehongphairoch3238good idea
@@sumaleehongphairoch3238well that won't work
@@sumaleehongphairoch3238that will just add more randomness to the code
you go visit the wall and then disrupt the camera that's interpreting the lava lamp movements so that it's looking at a static image or something that has predictable movements
This is actually kind of genius, work smarter, not harder
It's just a meme. The lamps aren't required.
@@thewhitefalcon8539 The entire point is that they're not required, except they make it uncrackable for basically no extra effort
@@thewhitefalcon8539 They're used to generate SSL/TLS keys without being pseudo-random
smart harder
dont work
make the larva lamp do it
Making complicated matters to be simple is the true genius moves.
Ferb, I know what we’re gonna do today…
I really hope the person who came up with 'lava lamps' as the solution, got a huge raise. 😃
i hope the person who invented the lava lamp to begin with is actually being properly compensated.
Apparently a different company did the same thing way back in the day. Silicon Graphics in 1996 according to the site
@@crptnite that statement makes no sense.
@@Shadowboosthe trying to say.. the guy who invented that got compensated ( basically the company uses his pattern)
@@redunbiased8417 it's not his pattern. This is like saying if you invented the knife to stab things, but now I use it to spread butter on toast that I have to pay you for that usage beyond just the cost of the knife
The wall is cool, but that means that 10% of the worlds traffic is protected by that one camera
probably we have seen only one but for sure there is more, that was only one corner *IF* that was the same building with lavalamps
do you know what cryptography is?
It doesn't really matter, even if the camera breaks that just means the random number stops changing until they fix it but even then trying to reverse engineer it would take weeks at best meanwhile it'll take them hours at most to install a spare camera and you'd have to have someone purposefully trying to hack it in that brief period it stopped working.
It's like keeping your door locked 24/7 but suddenly one random day you decide to leave it unlocked for 10 seconds at 3 AM, who the hell is gonna try opening your door at that exact moment when they already know it's always locked by default??
@@DrakeOolathis is a good analogy and really funny
No it is not protected by one camera. You literally didn‘t listen to the already extremely easy explanation in this short. The protecting is done by a system that randomly calculates the encryption. Even if the camera fails the system still works.
-"oh no i touched it I'm sorry"
-"you just saved millions of people"
I'd honestly remove one for a few minutes then put it back after shaking it, now THAT'S random
😂this comment is top tier 👌🏽
@@The_Calcium_Kingproceeds to crash an entire server because now it lacks a big lump of the coding
@@mrartdeco what if I ADD a lava lamp?
@@The_Calcium_King a new website is magically phased into existence
Super creative idea. Love it.
I love this lavalamp firewall being a literal fucking wall 😂😂😂
Looking for this one
A lava wall, if you will
That's what the name should have been. @@blitzyboi8055
Not just a wall its literally a firewall (lavawall)
John 3:16: For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
I love how the idea itself is random. “Predict this, idiot hackers.”
"If you want to confuse your enemy, you must first confuse yourself."
The fact that they let you come and see them is amazing marketing.
and visiting makes the lamps more random snf thus more secure
What if you damage or break the lamps, could be some sort of security issue right?
@@hell1942there's a whole wall of them so if you break one it's no biggy
also a security risk 😆
Not really, not only someone has to predict the movements of each lamp but also predict then one will be broken? How does that get codes? Multiple zeros??? Or nothing at all? Maybe they also set a random value for a missing lava lamp that makes the whole "predict this" even more absurd!!
[Break all the lava lamps then type all 0's]-a suggestion from one of my buddies
I feel like they accidentally bought 100 lava lamps and were to proud to send them back
*too
@@izyanazhad5015I never thought that there was such thing as a douch bag so large that they would correct something as small as to and too no one fucking cares
@@izyanazhad5015 I never knew there was such a thing as a douch bag so large it covers the earth by correcting a grammar mistake that isn’t noticeable and nobody cares about even if they did notice
They just went “Farrrk, so what do we do with these?”
“I think I got an idea boss”
@@deimudda2130there's a big gap between being a grammar nazi and typing *too. In fact, with how much literacy has declined I'd say they're doing a small service and you, a disservice.
This is the ultimate challenge to Hackers
@TapMeBro Cloud drive really said if u want my data Hack it i leave all in one place just have to beat the Lava lamps
-It's easy to hack us, just create a good enough model of physics to reproduce and predict the motion of our lava lamps.
@@Soken50 Exactly. They can be predicted and a truly talented hacker will figure out the pattern or just crack the code regardless. The Pentagon is still more secure than this.
@@Soken50 you’ll need a nasa computer and thousands of gallons of water to cool it off lol
@@DeletedDevilDeletedAngel That's the joke, the uncertainty of quantum effects on the jiggling of atoms and the larger scale thermodynamics and fluid dynamics makes it impossible to model with enough precision to predict the outcome for any meaningful length of time.
I love this. It is an elegant solution to a complex problem. I wish I were in the pitch meeting for this one.
if this is real and they posted it online it's either a great marketing solution for people who know very little to feel good about their "services/security" or a serious act of hubris...
all it takes is to place a looping video file in the right place and have a lazy employee with bad personal device protocol for this to be an absolute mistake.
@@gjergskender8536Theres multiple cameras/the cameras have internal noise
@@gjergskender8536🤓
hi boss how about using lava lamps to encrypt?
thanks Joe, would you step outside and go with the 2 men in white coats.
note to HR:
make damned sure drug testing is used for every employee
The coming together of physics and computer security.
Gotta fall in love with that! ❤
there's also a few backups in event that the camera breaks, the camera also carries some internal noise so it would continue being random if obstructed
It’s listening to Nickelback
@cam5816 look at this graph 📊
yeah even a covered camera records tons of noise. the lava lamps are more of a publicity stunt, and a very successful one at that. in reality they likely primarily rely on specialized RNG hardware, such as those that detect nuclear decay from radioactive material. with our current understanding it's literally impossible to predict even under ideal lab conditions
@@HarrisonMartinsonTons, while true for some sensors, may/may not be enough.
Damn. Plot foiled lol.
Maybe there's an image that both doesn't get detected and provides a deterministic PRNG seed though.
Assuming the camera is connected via power-over-Ethernet. Would be a hilarious heist.
BRILLIANT.....I'm sure the 1963 inventer did not think that their invention would be a security for the internet.
..
Who invented it?
Plot twist: you can write a code detailed enough to predict lava lamps randomness 😂 I’ve just watched a video where a robot is so good with real physics that it bounces a ping pong ball in amazing ways and tricks. After that I believe machines integrating with real world can be very detailed indeed
@@aidarsharafullin6900 But that code has to tale into consideration a lot of changing variables that a hacker wouldn't know about each lava lamp. They probably have bulbs of varying heat levels which effects how fast the "lava" warms and rises.
In the video he also mentions that it's taking in ALL visible changes (not just how the "lava" moves) and since people are walking within the view and also seems to be open to outside light the random changes of human activity or cloud cover/city night lights changes the result.
Well you can’t predict some guy randomly touching a lava lamp.
*touches lamp*
"Thanks for contributing to the code"
Is it because you slightly move it?
@@ShaggyCZprobably because it detects you and the change to the lava lamp by your hand or something covering it
Adding code encryption to my resume
@@ShaggyCZ it's probably because because it scans the environment and create an encryption based on lighting, shape, color, hue, saturation or whatever they used so if even your finger got in the frame of the camera you would contribute making the code safer
“Thank you for saving 10% of the internet”
hackers: we do a little trolling
breaks all the lava lamps
One of the coolest solutions ever created for a complex problem
FOR REAL!
They never tell you that their top coder is secretly a moth 😅
Mothman!
Underrated comment
Correction, it's not truly random. The algorithm is just so complex you'd have to calculate the entire fucking universe to predict it.
There still could be quantum randomness
@@darkwillow57 You'd have to calculate that too.
@@Hiveatel the idea is that you can't calculate it. Heisenberg uncertainty principle. Maybe 🤔
or pay a prospective tinder date of an employee to put a RAT on their phone to get network access; then work on privilege escalation, and/or mac-match the device the cam connects to, observe till you reverse engineer the algo (or pay someone to do so that is knowledgeable enough to do so) and late when no one is there set a looped feed in between cam/terminal and exploit.. just saying. not impossible. and all they did by posting this is give any malicious actors insight into their mentality/false confidence.
@@gjergskender8536 Well that's not prediction anymore. You're just reading/manipulating it now.
The wall of entropy is such a sick name
"Any attempt to sabotage it will only make it stronger" - The person who came up with it, probably
E
Till someone unplugs all the lamps
Kid named "unbothered hooligan with a baseball bat":
@@andrewmuse514 Even then every single small movement is detected so it is still much more random than any algorithm
@@relix3267till someone sprays the camera
Whoever thought of this is a out of box genius
an*
@@afloppytortilla5266well we now have one person ruled out
Or drunk
Cloudflare did not invent this idea but it is cool to see. It was patented in 1996 which expired in 2016 (US5732138A) and is commonly known as lavarand.
Entropy for cryptography is a huge rabbit hole which is honestly mostly philosophical.
"Parry this you fkn casual" 😂
I died lol
That's so trippy. I'm sure that the "Dude" would love this. Very cool. Thank you.
I loved when Cloudflare said “It’s lavalampin’ time” and lavalamped all over the place.
This is the one time, out of ALL the uses of this joke, where its ACTUALLY TRUE
I swear each time I come across this kinda comment I keep dying from laughing 😂
Truly one of the companies of all time
Bro really took fire wall to a whole new level
that wall IS 🔥🔥🔥
I see
U n d e r r a t e d
Firewall? Nah we do Lavawalls now.
@@FieryKitsune1 Ayo my bad
"Wall of entropy" sound very religious digital messiah of the future😮
Next video: "The hacker took a low level security guard job and slowly replaced the original lava lamps over the next 8 years! The new lava lamps looked unpredictable but were actually being generated by the hacker!"
They didnt even have to do that. Cloudflare did get hacked. They just bypassed the code. You can only make so much of the system gibberish before no computer or person can read it or use it. And its this reason that nobody or thing is unhackable
@GreyBlackWolf
Lol you think encryption is done by turning code into gibberish? That's not how security works.
Wait till a nerdy mathematician comes up with equation to predict lava lamps
That'll be funny.
Or just yknow steal the lava lamps or break them while another person hacks it
@@Amnionic Even then the code would be random. Basically the only way to have any chance of hacking this is to cover the camera so it has a completely black image. It would be really difficult though.
@@jonapoka7109 maybe
Do to how Chaotic lava lamps are as well as the insane number Of variables that could affect their pattern this would be Impossible even the best Supercomputer would fail to do so
"Go on, steal one, IT ONLY MAKES US STRONGER"
Enigma ain't got 💩 on this! 😂
"Wall of entropy" sounds like something you'd encounter in the endgame of a mind bending sci-fi game
Brother took Firewall too literally…
Never said better
@@Shajogajob wdym
Imagine the board meeting where they thought of that.
CEO: “we need to find a way to completely protect our users”
That one guy at the office: “hear me out here… lava lamps.”
hacker: hacks cameras (big brain boy)
Board room meeting? We used to have 'safety meetings' at work, which is where you gather around behind the dumpster to smoke a joint, and I'm pretty sure that's where this idea came from.
Plot twist: Thats just decoy wall, the real lava lamp wall is indeed in a secret bunker 😌
A sheet of white paper in front of the camera (low, dramatic voice): I'm in.
Great example of how hacking actually works.
@@privatemale27 as that one guy has said, something like 90% of hacking is really just social engineering
@@Templarfreak True, the method can vary, but the objective is the same. IE find a weakness and exploit it. The example above is comically simple and easy to visualize.
Plot twist: the real Laval lamps under surveillance is in the basement 😅
Wouldn’t make sense because as they said the more you mess with them the harder it is to predict.
@@ShiftingEcho But it'd risk the entire thing; someone could easily come in and steal all the lamps, resulting in the entire defense going down. On the other hand, it'd make a lot more sense to simply keep the real thing somewhere safe, where no one can easily fck with the lamps.
@@olpivsrineta you clearly didn't understand how it works
@@olpivsrinetayou know how, if someone steals a few lamps, they could just replacement lamps in place
@@olpivsrineta there's a backup in their Linux systems, else they just use the other randomization options from their London and Singapore offices - check their website
“How do we protect our users”
Definitely not a moth dressed as a businessman: “Lamp”
your shorts are truly entertaining. ty for the content.
That is... fucking genius. A literal firewall, so to speak 😂
Obviously it’s a lavawall
The Blackwall in Cyberpunk be like
actually yea, you could say that
blackwall is a firewall that keeps rogue AI's contained, and this lavawall keeps hackers out
"The wall of entropy" sounds like a wizard thing. i wouldnt try hacking that either
Entropy is the degree of randomness of a system
they dont need to be hacked, it's already happened where a rogue employee sold all user data
or atleast they blamed it on the employee (which i think is just to save the company)
The weakest part of any system is always the human element
@@riftstrider5433 "a system is only as secure as its employers are trustworthy"
They aren't random, they're deterministic but highly chaotic
Add 100+ of them and brains will be fried
So why not use zero-point fields?
@@rodrigovillegas2263 why not use a wall of lava lamps? All that matters is that there is a sufficient amount of chaos that the state can't be predicted or reversed, fluid dynamics has yet to be solved with the navier stokes' equations.
Functionally random
@@jakestewart8784one day it will be solved and this will be a massive point of failure lol
Someone comes and spray paints the camera, "haha, now lava lamps will never protect you"
sorry to ruin the joke but wouldn't that generate more randomness lol
(buys new lava lamp wall for about $300)
@@Triploonic suppose he spray paints black on camera. All camera sees now is black. So there is no randomness. Just black
GENIUS!! I have several of these lavalamps...I find them relaxing!
So do cloudfare
@TapMeBro, why is your comment empty for me?
@@ShaggyCZcause he copy and pasted something that looks like nothing
Put a couple of hard drives next to the
This is sick props to who created that.
Wait is this why Neurosama is so obsessed with lava lamps?
hold on you might be onto something
All fun and games until the hackers manage to install some sort of hidden camera due to everyone being able to access it
How can they even make the same exact code from the randomness though?
Wouldn’t work, even if the hidden camera somehow phased into the security camera but was off by a millimeter, it wouldn’t work and wouldn’t get the same sequence as the security camera.
If that was all it took, it would've been done by now
@@maxtan-kf8gzye plus maybe their camera is too high quality, maybe it's too low quality, maybe the code that calculates the lava lamps is intentionally weird, maybe there's a second, secret lavalamp wall, so many difficulties
That’s not how it works
*" Guys, The Lava lamps. Go get them. "*
*Razormind intensifies*
BAAAAIN
@@c4tf1sh94BAIN I DIDNT DOWNLOAD SOURCE! *BAAAAAAIN*
Aren’t these the people that caused billions in damages from an update to windows?
Nope, that was croudstrike. Cloudflare and Croudstrike are two different companies that have similar (yet kinda different) goals. Croudstrike is the one with those windows stuff while Cloudflare is focused on internet traffic.
There is your answer :)
Nope, that was croudstrike. Cloudflare and Croudstrike are two different companies that have similar (yet kinda different) goals. Croudstrike is the one with those windows stuff while Cloudflare is focused on internet traffic.
There is your answer :)
Nope, that was croudstrike. Cloudflare and Croudstrike are two different companies that have similar (yet kinda different) goals. Croudstrike is the one with those windows stuff while Cloudflare is focused on internet traffic.
There is your answer :)
that's crowdstrike; this video is about cloudflare
@@ddm135_aut thanks, the names were similar and I didn’t know!
In 30 years that’ll be the last line of defense agains the AI 😂
“The world governments are being hacked! What do we do?!”
*”L A V A L A M P”*
It's not actually random. The variables are so complex it's just astronomically difficult to predict.
It’s not random, it’s chaotic. Because of effects like Brownian motion acting on the interfaces between the different liquids, even if you could start two lamps in an identical state, they would soon be behaving differently.
Quantum physics begs to differ
@@viktorwestberg2290 No it doesn't. Quantum physics is a baby science. We don't understand it very well.
@@sub7se7enwhat we do know is that quantum science is entirely probabilistic, there is zero chance of knowing the outcome unless theoretically you just guessed quadrillions of times
@@sub7se7en we understand it enough to know that god in fact does play dice with the universe
Fun fact: Lava Lamps are actually used in the Wall of Entropy at Cloudfare for encryption purposes. At the HQ there's a wall that's floor to ceiling covered in lava lamps, the movement of the wax is tracked by a camera which then takes the changes of the wax and converts it to code. This method is an incredibly secure way to encrypt data due to the random nature of the wax being better than fake randomness in a computer! So they aren't completely "pointless!"
Thats a massive great idea, now i see why lots of people use cloudflare
Firewalls weren't strong enough, so they got lavawalls.
I have an idea but it's gonna require a large sheet of one color, several lights, a trip to cloudflare hq, and perfect timing
I've got another idea and it uses black2.0 in a spray paint cant.
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This is such an easy solution for every company to do....like.....why don't more companies do it.
Because atmospheric EMF noise is actually a better RNG source, this just looks cool.
When he said it wasn’t hidden, I knew it was to make it Stronger 😂
The Live feed is basicly making a steganography password if people don't understand how it works.
normally a steganography password is used from just an image, you can show that picture to anyone but if they don't know the paassword or how to decrypt the code behind the picture they will never get the password.
a wall of lava lamp steganography password is fucking genius, not only having a layer of Ai Generation for creating a password but also the True chaos and randomness from the Lamps.
Entropy is such a fitting name.
EDIT: it doesn't really have a layer of ai generation but a fluid variations coded output generation.
i called it a layer of ai beacuse to the layman its close enough for people to understand but as pointed out to me i will add this to claify to those who would understand some of whats said that its not an ai or even a learning program.
still fucking genius coding.
Nice I had a different idea lol
its not.... euughh.
Translation of the wall of lava lamps isnt ai. (atleast not the way ppl talk about ai now. Its more similar to... how a computer player is an AI. its hardcoded, not flexible...)
No it's not genius. They could pay me $50 and I could give them a string of random numbers and it would save a huge amount of electricity in the long run. Watch this:
1, 78, 2, 77, 3... simple as!
@@link_team3855 well of course, you can't ai a stenography password from a fitful image, it was a broad enough explanation without going into too much detail on how it would code a password from a live feed.
(you could... but the learning algo would probably burn a hole through the floor from this live feed)
but i will elaborate as much i deem is sufficient for the more than layman to understand
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long term short; a constant Image with variations occasionally with the same hardcode to decrypt is ALMOST a randomly generated password.
however a fitful image or live feed with variations regardless of the hardcode to decrypt with enough changes and it being a constant than that hardcode would change from the original to be randomly generated.
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yes you are correct by the terms of it truest sense of ai its not coding it self nor a learning program.
however an hardcoded input changing its own hardcode based on what's observed to output a functional output (password in this case) while maintain its original rule of giving a valid output would be considered an Intelligence from hardcode.
am i biased by defending my own answer: yes.
Am i wrong to call it an ai: Yes
does it really change anything: not really besides making me have to explain shit that wasn't needed..
Were you at fault for bringing this up and waste my time: No.
(i value peoples input and while your comment did contradict exactly what the hardcoding is and what i called it, it still gave me the chance to give you an answer to explain why i called it an ai and will edit my comment at the end of it and just clarify its not a true ai)
Thank you for you input regardless.
@@link_team3855 my reply to your comment was for some reason rejected by youtube..
all i did was explain while yes you were right its not a ai, the code outputing a different output while also changing its own code to continuously output a different type of output from a fitful input is close enough to a learn program that the code its self could be considered ai.
it was just a broad label i gave to it for those layman who wouldn't understand the nuisances of output generation from an input with a fluid hardcode.
is it ai: no
am i biased for defending my example: yes
were you wrong to say this: no
(i value other peoples opinion even though yours sorta contradicted my evaluation of the piece and video you still brought up a good point and i edited my orginal comment to add to the end for those who do understand like you do that its not really an ai)
thank you for your input and opinion.
Omg I absolutely love that idea, the amount of nerd in that wall is off the charts😂 absolutely the coolest tech I've seen🤣
This is definitely one of the coolest shorts I've seen. This is just a brilliant idea all around, even if the lamps lose power for some reason it's still gonna make perfectly random code, I really can't think of a downside to this. Hell, even if they all fell over and broke theyre just lava lamps, probably under $1000 to replace the entire wall which is pennies to a big company. Just brilliant lol, I love this.
This is actually pretty neat information thanks for sharing!
“What’s the Wi-Fi Password?”
The password:
"You are sure its ok for me to be near them?"
"Its fine. Itll make us that much better"
cloudflare really just said lavalamp and lavalamped all over the place _💀💀💀_
mfs skulls emojis are italicized 😭😭😭
That's really cool actually. Super smart!
Hacker:I GOT IT!
someone:(*sneeze*)
Hacker:...
Lmaoo this would be golden in a Hollywood parody movie
That is really smart of them.
Cloudflare: “Why get hacked when we can just break it ourselves!”
Crowdstrike probably
Very cool and very intuitive
The fact that they encourage people to make a mess in the lamps to makes the code harder is genius 😅😅