I want to see their reaction. Probably wouldnt get hard to get them to see it. They often reply to fan comments. Reach out to them and let us know how it goes
@@Spamerica There is a Fans of Kenny vs Spenny group on Facebook that Kenny and Spenny are both members of. I received a reply from Kenny once. Shouldn’t be too hard to reach them if you want to. I think they’d love this video
@@johnmacgillivray1701 Kenny has seen it, and I talk to him from time to time, which is awesome. Spenny is also familiar, but I think he kinda resents KvS unfortunately. I've also met them both!
This series you've created, particularly this volume (III) is absolutely brilliant. I can't begin to say how much it means to me that someone appreciates KVS at such a level and is able to communicate it better than I ever possibly could.
for the beer drinking episode, Spenny said on the DVD commentary that his freakout was actually a lot longer than was shown. Partly was due to time, but also that some of the freakout was hard to watch, which is why it starts in the daytime and ends in the night
Regarding Spenny's mom, if you see how far Spenny goes to respect his mom and her wishes on the show then it makes sense that he would play along with the fake scenes regarding his mother. It also validates the notion that she doesn't want to be on camera. From Spenny's perspective he has no choice, his mom is getting thrown into these situations all the time because Kenny keeps brining her up and to distance her from the show and the cameras he would agree to faking it.
This was a really excellent series - thoughtful and knowledgeable - and really captures the fact that all true KVS fans know; that behind all the cruelty and silliness there is some real depth there and some real love. I actually think it's very unlikely that Spenny didn't at least suspect the HIV letter was fake or that Kenny's Mother hadn't died or that DeNiro wasn't actually interested in his Hubert script but I think he just committed to believing it, in the same way that a child fully commits to its imagination. It is not exactly real but it's not exactly acting either. Spenny is too self-conscious to be a good actor but, like many great comedians, both he and Kenny are still very much in touch with their inner children, which is what makes them charming rather than just gross or idiotic. Looking forward to a 4th part if you can manage it. Maybe you should reach out to them, see if they'll agree to an interview. I'm sure they'd appreciate someone who seems to so fully get what they were trying to do.
Yeah if you're prepared to pay $60 for 15 mins. Much as I find Spenny endearing he's really overplaying his hand by trying to monetise everything. He's doing a pay-to-view solo gig this weekend and I can't see him getting many takers. He's a decent musician but nothing special; kind of guy who'd be playing in the corner of a bar with everyone just talking as usual. The tragedy of both Kenny and Spenny is that they only make sense together, which I think they both know on some level.
I’m pretty sure it was L.A. where Kenny and Spenny began writing television with an episode of TMNT, so yes Spenny knew Deniro didn’t call him, knew Kenny’s mom hadn’t died, they wrote the episodes together
To add to number 7, it looks like they shot this episode in winter. Which in Canada (even Toronto) if this was filmed in December/January, it can go from Sunny out to almost completely dark in under an hour.
The series is brilliant and has such great re-watch value, I've listened to it in the background while working on projects at least 5 times since it's come out. You do a fantastic job of condencing complex ideas and theories and make them easy to understand and structure your videos so well. Thats' some damn fine entertainment, I'm looking forward to your next project :))
This is so damn good. I could watch this content for hours. I find the ins and outs of reality TV fascinating, and your ability to break things down and articulate your ideas are excellent! Thank you for this, it has shed a lot of light on the show and it seems like you have a better grasp on the "truth" of these situations than Kenny and Spenny themselves sometimes!
So glad I found your channel, this is awesome for us die-hard KvS fans. I lost my faith in the show being fully real years ago, and just sort of accepted it. Thank you for saving my childhood lol
If they had to reshoot the cop part, I'd be able to accept that pretty easily since the police were actively trying to make them turn the cameras off right before. So its very likely they wouldn't allow them to just keep filming anyway just because they're now arresting one of them.
This video is a piece of art to me. I grew up watching this show and re-watched it years later as youtube grew to it's size. Ever since, every year I watch the whole show from scratch. Some might call me stupid, but out of all series I've ever watched, this show was always my favorite. Kenny vs Spenny made the kid I was from 2005 to the men I'm in 2021. Watching the show is very emotional to me, even though I have a stone cold personality. Thank you for basically rewinding my whole youth, this video ment a lot to me
I've been watching this show every couple years like my entire life, and always trying to look up if it was real every time i came back to it again. i think this is likely the best breakdown someone could do of all this. its such a niche topic, but you literally have made the exact video i wanted to see about all this. all the info on this stuff is so scattered. i appreciate this video series, good job!
This was really well done. I dont think I've ever watched a youtube video this long and honestly, I didnt want it to end. I cant wait for the next volume. Keep up the good work!
Just a note about asking to press charges in Canada. Choosing to prosecute someone is solely up to the crown (the government). This is true, however in practice cops can and will ask whether or not someone wants to press charges. Especially with interpersonal or domestic conflicts. I've personally experienced it myself and I have friends who have also experienced it.
Hi, you replied to one of my comments on another video and sent me here. Thank you so much! This video is amazing and really goes in depth about issues I didn't even know about! But I definitely can see how these things can happen when filming this kind of show. Thank you so much for directing me here. I've learned a lot!
this video is a masterpiece and much needed in the kvs community! I think its important for the community. Regardless of how you view this topic, the show is still great and 100% "real" or 100% "fake" - whatever you define as real or not.
44:26 this scene may be shot on the same day Spenny met Donna for the first time (position of the sun; throwing shadows on the ground). But I don't know exactly where all the places were filmed. Very good video.
Ha geil. Grüße aus OÖ - schau mir das auch ca alle 2 jahre durch. ich erinnere mich noch als ich das früher immer auf Comedy Central oder DMAX oder so gschaut hab
Well laid out, good callbacks to parts of episodes of KvS within the context of the discussion, for humor as well and not just for explanatory reasons, awesome!
This was very enjoyable and helped breath a bit of new life into a series I've watched probably a dozen times many years ago. Thank you for doing such a great analysis
Wow you really put so much effort in this series! Thank you so much for it. I have really enjoyed every one of the 3 videos so far. Great work appreciate it.
It's about time I found something like this! . I've been watching this show for years. Thank you for all your work to put this series together! I loved it.
Dude I feel you so much. I've always thought about making a video responding to all the tired "KvS truther" arguments, im glad you made one so the evidence is out there. At the end of the day i know to what extent I believe the show to be constructed / authentic.
Wow, as the retrospective was coming to an end I found myself wishing it was two more hours of you talking about Kenny vs Spenny. And then I heard it- "I do intend to make more videos about Kenny vs Spenny in the future..." And so the subscribe button was pressed. Now we wait.....
This is absolutely brilliant. The care you put in to this analysis is nothing short of breathtaking. You have an amazing brain and a gift for explaining and unpacking complex thought processes. Thanks for all the effort you put into this.
Very thorough research. Like three days ago when rewatching the show I got the exact same thought for a video like this out of the blue. I was considering to do pretty much exactly what you did here, searched around if it had been done before and you beat me by a month on this one. I assume for the better, this is probably much more thoroughly researched than I'd be willing to do it addressing all off these claims so it might be for the better! Well done sir!
I think you’re right in your assertion that spenny goes along with being the joke. I think this is for 2 reasons that are consistent to this day. 1: He is actually hilarious, and has learned to crank his own neuroticism and quirks to ten, fully conscious that they are funny and make the show better. But it is still spenny. It’s authentic. 2: He does this because he is self depricating, jewish and has incredibly low self esteem. Kenny is happy to capitalize on his weakness.
I think there’s a difference between manipulated and blatantly fake. I feel like there’s been instances of things being re-recorded or staged over the course of the series due to things out of Kenny’s/Spennys control like production fuck ups, network pressure, etc, but I still believe that 80% of the show is real. Great video
I dont know if anyone else has ever noticed this but in the Gorilla suit episode, after spenny falls in the pond and soaks his suit in water, he sits on the center of the fountain and kenny lights his mask on fire through a hole in the fence. From what i remember the spot on the mask that kenny lights on fire is completely soaked in one shot, and then in the next the area is conveniently dried off. Just something to maybe take a look at.
In my experience being arrested in Canada: While it's correct that people don't press charges in Canada (the crown does) it seems to me cops use that understood expression as shorthand for "pursue a case". In this example the case would almost certainly not make it far unless Kenny testified against Spenny. I believe that they are using "press charges" as an expression to communicate Kenny's willingness to testify.
I mean this sincerely: thank you for your expertise in this area. That's my gut instinct too- it's a pretty normalized expression that is a shorthand for "don't hassle this guy on my behalf".
I'm SOOO speechless, I love these videos. They're so in-depth!! You did an unreal job, you should apply to be a detective lol. On a side note, I am SOOO curious to know more about spenny's moms. Anyway you can make an episode about it soon? KEEP THEM COMING!!!
This video: A+++ I wanted to bring something up. I've always noticed the 'actor' judge in the background of 'court case' and I assumed that it was Spenny using her as a character witness (as she was lied to in the actor episode) against Kenny, to hurt his credibility. I never noticed her in 'better chef' or 'better stripper' - which is weird because I've seen all of the episodes probably hundreds of times each! Here's a possible timeline: She is hired as the actor judge, meets Jamie and they start dating. It would make sense that she would be with him during the court episode for whatever reason, as well as invited to chef and stripper - as it seems they just invited / used several of their friends for a crowd in those episodes (Mark Breslin, Miriam hosting, etc.). What do you think? Also, if you have any more detail on what / where you heard of her going out with Jamie I would love to hear it. I've always wondered about this. The fake Spenny's mom just ruins those parts of those episodes for me, really wish they hadn't done that. Actual reality and Kenny annoying Spenny is gold on it's own - there's no need to cheapen it with fake narratives. Example: Kenny doing 'Helmut' while a pissed of straight faced Spenny watches on in the background. Always makes me laugh. As for the female producer that supposedly sued Kenny that I mentioned in the comments of another of your videos, if I remember right you can see her in the 'better fashion designer' episode. I think she only worked on a few episodes in season one.
All well said. I will need to look into the producer in the fashion designer episode. I have no source for the Jamie dating the judge claim, I know I've seen it here or there but I can't trace it back to anything.
Spenny’s mother passed this March. You can look up the obituary if you like. I’m not going to link it or even say the name of the obituary site. Rest In Piece Corinne Rice.
At 21:00 and so on and whatever, winters in Canada go from bright to night in about 10 minutes. So you could be seeing it bright outside, and it took them 10 minutes to talk Spenny into leaving and going for a walk to calm down, which is also about right for drunk people.
The 3 volumes have been great. I loved the show from back when it started and watched them numerous times. It was neat to see how everything adds up. Can’t wait till you do a new show or volume 4.
1:03:16 Being in a crazy environment for long enough I feel like will start to make you a little crazier. Maybe just as he started to get more comfortable being on the show and in that setting, the more comfortable he felt yelling and making scenes. Being on camera could also cause people to exaggerate themselves a little.
In Canada you can choose not to press charges and the crown can choose to prosecute anyway, the police can also decide a matter isn't worth the time if the affected person doesn't want to pursue the matter. Lots of wiggle room up here
That video was honestly amazing the amount of work you must of put into it. I could get of watched another hour of that video as someone who has watched kvs for over 10 years now on repeat I've tried to stay away from the theories about it being fake as I just loved it for what it is so most of these theories were new to me and you explained them all perfectly. What an amazing video Great job i would love to see you on a call with Kenny and spenny watching this video it would be great.
The thing about Spenny getting arrested that I don't buy is he had to stay the night at the police station to lose. Why would they keep him over night for such a petty "crime"? In this case they would have had a few questions at the police station and that's about it. Spenny wasn't drunk or anything and would definitely cooperate with the police officers. Another thing I don't buy about this episode is that they allegedly sleep under a bridge directly near the road on a stone floor for 2 nights without sleeping bags or at least a blanket. They don't even show how they wake up in the morning or even mention that the night was bad or that they didn't get enough sleep or having back pain from the hard floor. But whatever it's still one of my favorite episodes.
Wow what an amazing analysis. Also, I'm from the same province as Kenny/Spenny and I can provide some clarity on the police situation. Charges are situational. In most cases the victim can decide the charges. But, for special situations such as domestic abuse, the police decide the charges. (This is done to prevent the victim from defending the abuser)
Cop cars in Canada vary a tonne in their decoration, depending on when they were made, and which police group they belong to. For example here in Vancouver we have VPD, and Transit Police, both separate outfits. There's also the RCMP which operate outside of Vancouver, but within greater Vancouver. I live near a bridge that overlooks the cop shop parking area, I'll send a photo so you can see just how many styles there are just in one city. Basically no proof those cars were fake. If they are similar, it's because they are from the same "batch," if not they aren't. I know in Ontario they have the OPP and presumably the RCMP, those don't look like RCMP cars.
The Spenny's mom thing makes complete sense to me. And I don't get some of your own inconclusiveness about it. Corrine is THAT paranoid about being on camera, every physical thing we see with her on the show of course happened, but had to be recreated after the fact with a stand-in. All the cut away shots of Spenny reacting or Kenny reacting (YOU'RE NOT GONNA TOUCH HER and Kenny in the bathroom lamenting that he's drunk and can't physically force himself to make a move) are from the real event; notice Corrine isn't actively in the shot; but they're spliced in with the stand-in recreations, which definitely do look acted out the more you look at it. The exact same situation as the Donna cup moment. "Let's dramatize it".
I used to think KvS was partially fake until I worked on a reality TV show in Edmonton called...Northenders? Northsiders? I honestly will never remember the name...I just got the cheque and did audio. On weekends we went to a bar to film and most of the footage wasn't used, but when production saw a stranger interacting with our cast, they would be like "Is it okay if we mic you and you can redo your entrance and you can get on TV?" Sometimes we would use the retake, sometimes we would use the boom take. Whichever one looked better for TV. And that was the moment that I went "Ahhhhhh, you need to do TV magic to make reality TV work."
Yep! It's funny, the most compelling reason to me I think the show is "real" is because of stupid little things that will make no sense to people unless you do them. Like, I'm editing together a "special edition" of Who's the better basketball coach? with all the outtakes spliced in. And it's just impossible- I'm making decisions a decade after the fact about when certain stuff happened, I'm having to think about putting some stuff out of place because it's just funnier here vs there and it doesn't hurt much to do it that way. K & S are on the couch, then doing the rules, but I gotta put the infamous Suitcase Rant in there. But they go from the couch to upstairs in it- so now I gotta have them on the couch, then upstairs, then downstairs for the rules. Was Spenny's outburst in his room after the rules, though? Do I gotta chop the outtake up? It's an unwinnable scenario from a "reality" point of view when you're trying to make the show work, you're 100% right.
@@Spamerica Until someone does it, they have no idea! This is an incredible retrospective by the way! It brought me back to being 10 watching the first season on CBC all over again. Can't wait for more.
He reached out a couple weeks ago and wanted to get in touch, but he hasn't responded when I've followed up. I'd drop pretty much everything to talk with him!
I'm amazed you didn't include the scene in the handcuffed episode, in which Kenny clearly claps his hands during the "surprise party" for Spenny. I'd love to hear an explanation for that. Otherwise great videos! Very well researched and insightful.
I was going to say the same. They also wear different handcuffs in different scenes, and one of the pairs are toy cuffs (which wouldn’t need a key to open).
Thanks! I've watched the moment in handcuffed a lot, and I see how it looks suspicious, but I don't see how it's definitely fake. I'm undecided. I want to get a pair of handcuffs and a buddy and try to recreate the shot, and see how well I can clap my hands. Mythbusters style.
This is an amazing video. I was rewatching some of the remastered episodes on Kenny's channel and had a thought "They may be fake, I'll look it up" Then I get this absolute masterpiece!
for the cop thing, there was an interview with spenny and someone brought up the police thing and he got extremely mad and they dropped the topic, so I think he may have caught a charge or something from this
Very good commentary. The reality is that all, er, reality shows, are "faked" to at least this degree. They reshoot scenes (I've witnessed this as an extra), they edit things so they look synced up, and a quarter of things are pre-determined ahead of time as the boys have admitted-- that's why some KvS episodes have someone credited for "STORY". Their live events also have some back-and-forth that they repeat line for line if you watch recordings of the tour in separate areas. There are just some things you have to stage for the sake of the bit, for the sake of continuity, and for the sake of the cast/crew being comfortable. It's nice that there's this video covering all this so we can finally open up on KvS being as real as network TV allows and finally put this decade-long debate to bed in the hopes we don't fight over it anymore. Kenny gets mad over the idea the show is "fake", but it's as you said; What _is_ fake and what counts as real? It's a "real" show, definitely a bit realer than some other reality shows, but a lot is redone or dramatized to puff it up, like all media-- and most all of that is decided by Kenny and crew anyway, so it doesn't matter because it's the star's own decision. And even then, sometimes Kenny will just throw all that out the window and change it without anyone knowing. Spenny is the one person most always kept in the dark too, so that's definitely a more real element. Additionally, Spenny seems to be more complicit with the way the industry works (his use of the wardrobe term "my look", wearing makeup on TV, etc.) which a fun contrast. Again, really great analysis, perfect piece to sum up why we have this debate and how we can settle it. Definitely in my opinion the last word on KvS's realness.
Not able to watch the vid right now so my bad if this was already mentioned On Instagram, Rod (Spenny’s trainer in the pilot episode) said that he was hired to play a “stereotype d bag trainer” for the show and was never paid for it. Kenny then left a like on his comment (I checked a bit ago and he unliked it eventually), which makes me think that Rod’s statement is true. But Rod did make the episode more entertaining and it was the pilot, so it makes sense why they did that
Thanks for doing so much research. Honestly you’re the best. I really want to believe but now I’m at the end of #3 and I’m starting to think you have rose coloured glasses on. I do too but there’s too many signs. I’m heartbroken lol
Thank you for the encouragement. I might be optimistic, but a few things are definitely true: the show is not 100% "real", there are things (core, important things) in the show that are 100% real, and the things that people point to as being fake are usually stupid. That was maybe my takeaway from all that research.
You have done a terrific job on this entire series, thanks for doing this! In case you didn't notice this while doing research on Dr Cabbie - it was Filmed entirely in Toronto, ON. I think this really backs up your claim about Spenny's Mom being a that specific actor.
I imagine Corrine wanted anonymity due to the nature of the show, however Corrine Rice passed away in 2021. The obituary I found I'm pretty sure is for Spencer's mother due to the "Gross" family being involved, Gross being the maiden family name (Bianca's last name is Gross). The dead dont require anonymity any longer.
the 10 pics chosen were funny, especially little Spenny standing there in his robe as that one kept me laughing. lol i think it's like any show on TV or any media online or out there in any format, some of it is real and some of it is fake. i like how this whole video was taking a comedy show and analyzing it in a more serious and scientific way, and then it just ends with Spenny cracking a rat. LMAO!
I really don't understand your point about the coffee cups being empty and how a production team wouldn't be dumb enough to not fill the cups up. If you do a simple search you'll see very quickly that it is common to use empty cups in scenes like that.
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this is remarkable and extremely thorough research. i wonder if kenny or spenny will ever see it and/or address your points
Thank you! I have debated trying to get them to watch it. I don't know how it would go over.
I want to see their reaction. Probably wouldnt get hard to get them to see it. They often reply to fan comments. Reach out to them and let us know how it goes
@@opinionatedrobot2750 I'll have to check it out!
@@Spamerica There is a Fans of Kenny vs Spenny group on Facebook that Kenny and Spenny are both members of. I received a reply from Kenny once. Shouldn’t be too hard to reach them if you want to. I think they’d love this video
@@johnmacgillivray1701 Kenny has seen it, and I talk to him from time to time, which is awesome. Spenny is also familiar, but I think he kinda resents KvS unfortunately. I've also met them both!
This series you've created, particularly this volume (III) is absolutely brilliant. I can't begin to say how much it means to me that someone appreciates KVS at such a level and is able to communicate it better than I ever possibly could.
Dude I am with you. This show has done so much for me
for the beer drinking episode, Spenny said on the DVD commentary that his freakout was actually a lot longer than was shown. Partly was due to time, but also that some of the freakout was hard to watch, which is why it starts in the daytime and ends in the night
Regarding Spenny's mom, if you see how far Spenny goes to respect his mom and her wishes on the show then it makes sense that he would play along with the fake scenes regarding his mother. It also validates the notion that she doesn't want to be on camera. From Spenny's perspective he has no choice, his mom is getting thrown into these situations all the time because Kenny keeps brining her up and to distance her from the show and the cameras he would agree to faking it.
This was a really excellent series - thoughtful and knowledgeable - and really captures the fact that all true KVS fans know; that behind all the cruelty and silliness there is some real depth there and some real love. I actually think it's very unlikely that Spenny didn't at least suspect the HIV letter was fake or that Kenny's Mother hadn't died or that DeNiro wasn't actually interested in his Hubert script but I think he just committed to believing it, in the same way that a child fully commits to its imagination. It is not exactly real but it's not exactly acting either. Spenny is too self-conscious to be a good actor but, like many great comedians, both he and Kenny are still very much in touch with their inner children, which is what makes them charming rather than just gross or idiotic. Looking forward to a 4th part if you can manage it. Maybe you should reach out to them, see if they'll agree to an interview. I'm sure they'd appreciate someone who seems to so fully get what they were trying to do.
Agreed, an interview would be fantastic. I think Spenny does Zoom calls now you can set up if I'm not mistaken?
Yeah if you're prepared to pay $60 for 15 mins. Much as I find Spenny endearing he's really overplaying his hand by trying to monetise everything. He's doing a pay-to-view solo gig this weekend and I can't see him getting many takers. He's a decent musician but nothing special; kind of guy who'd be playing in the corner of a bar with everyone just talking as usual. The tragedy of both Kenny and Spenny is that they only make sense together, which I think they both know on some level.
I’m pretty sure it was L.A. where Kenny and Spenny began writing television with an episode of TMNT, so yes Spenny knew Deniro didn’t call him, knew Kenny’s mom hadn’t died, they wrote the episodes together
To add to number 7, it looks like they shot this episode in winter. Which in Canada (even Toronto) if this was filmed in December/January, it can go from Sunny out to almost completely dark in under an hour.
The series is brilliant and has such great re-watch value, I've listened to it in the background while working on projects at least 5 times since it's come out. You do a fantastic job of condencing complex ideas and theories and make them easy to understand and structure your videos so well. Thats' some damn fine entertainment, I'm looking forward to your next project :))
This is so damn good. I could watch this content for hours. I find the ins and outs of reality TV fascinating, and your ability to break things down and articulate your ideas are excellent! Thank you for this, it has shed a lot of light on the show and it seems like you have a better grasp on the "truth" of these situations than Kenny and Spenny themselves sometimes!
So glad I found your channel, this is awesome for us die-hard KvS fans. I lost my faith in the show being fully real years ago, and just sort of accepted it. Thank you for saving my childhood lol
The show deserves this type of deep dive, no one will ever get a show onto TV like this again, ever.
If they had to reshoot the cop part, I'd be able to accept that pretty easily since the police were actively trying to make them turn the cameras off right before. So its very likely they wouldn't allow them to just keep filming anyway just because they're now arresting one of them.
This video is a piece of art to me. I grew up watching this show and re-watched it years later as youtube grew to it's size. Ever since, every year I watch the whole show from scratch. Some might call me stupid, but out of all series I've ever watched, this show was always my favorite. Kenny vs Spenny made the kid I was from 2005 to the men I'm in 2021. Watching the show is very emotional to me, even though I have a stone cold personality. Thank you for basically rewinding my whole youth, this video ment a lot to me
Thank you a lot for your comment, it means a lot to me that we are able to share that feeling.
I've been watching this show every couple years like my entire life, and always trying to look up if it was real every time i came back to it again. i think this is likely the best breakdown someone could do of all this. its such a niche topic, but you literally have made the exact video i wanted to see about all this. all the info on this stuff is so scattered. i appreciate this video series, good job!
This was really well done. I dont think I've ever watched a youtube video this long and honestly, I didnt want it to end. I cant wait for the next volume. Keep up the good work!
Just a note about asking to press charges in Canada. Choosing to prosecute someone is solely up to the crown (the government). This is true, however in practice cops can and will ask whether or not someone wants to press charges. Especially with interpersonal or domestic conflicts. I've personally experienced it myself and I have friends who have also experienced it.
Thanks! This is generally what I'm seeing from people in response to that segment, so I appreciate you guys clearing it up.
Was about to comment this, but I see you did it here. Absolutely correct 👍
Man I wish I could watch this again for the first time. Absolute gold for someone who loves this program.
good stuff waiting for volume IV
Hi, you replied to one of my comments on another video and sent me here. Thank you so much! This video is amazing and really goes in depth about issues I didn't even know about! But I definitely can see how these things can happen when filming this kind of show. Thank you so much for directing me here. I've learned a lot!
Thanks! I enjoyed putting this video together and am glad you got something out of it.
this video is a masterpiece and much needed in the kvs community! I think its important for the community. Regardless of how you view this topic, the show is still great and 100% "real" or 100% "fake" - whatever you define as real or not.
44:26 this scene may be shot on the same day Spenny met Donna for the first time (position of the sun; throwing shadows on the ground). But I don't know exactly where all the places were filmed.
Very good video.
every 2 years i start watching it all again.timeless fun.grüße aus wien(vienna)Österreich(Austria)
aber immer auf Englisch!!
@@l.k.579 ich seh beide versionen,deutsch und englisch.der deutsche spenny synchro-sprecher ist irgendwie lustig.lg
Ha geil. Grüße aus OÖ - schau mir das auch ca alle 2 jahre durch. ich erinnere mich noch als ich das früher immer auf Comedy Central oder DMAX oder so gschaut hab
@@part9952 cool, man kann aber auch immer wieder lachen,egal wie gut man eine folge kennt.ich liebe diese serie
Well laid out, good callbacks to parts of episodes of KvS within the context of the discussion, for humor as well and not just for explanatory reasons, awesome!
Dude that was awesome
I really freakin appreciate the amount of work you put into this. Awesome content
This was very enjoyable and helped breath a bit of new life into a series I've watched probably a dozen times many years ago. Thank you for doing such a great analysis
At 29:00 the officer's shoulder emblems looks like it's about to fall off
Amazing video, especially the final point likening Spenny to Feynman's hypnotism experience. I would love to see more KvS analysis on this channel
Very in depth. Can’t wait for part 4
Wow I just stumbled across your channel now and the amount of research and work you’ve done blows me away
Wow you really put so much effort in this series! Thank you so much for it. I have really enjoyed every one of the 3 videos so far. Great work appreciate it.
I've rewatched all of these many times, I love your work please keep it up!
It's about time I found something like this! . I've been watching this show for years. Thank you for all your work to put this series together! I loved it.
This is incredibly well produced, bud!
Dude I feel you so much. I've always thought about making a video responding to all the tired "KvS truther" arguments, im glad you made one so the evidence is out there. At the end of the day i know to what extent I believe the show to be constructed / authentic.
Wow, as the retrospective was coming to an end I found myself wishing it was two more hours of you talking about Kenny vs Spenny. And then I heard it- "I do intend to make more videos about Kenny vs Spenny in the future..."
And so the subscribe button was pressed.
Now we wait.....
This is absolutely brilliant. The care you put in to this analysis is nothing short of breathtaking. You have an amazing brain and a gift for explaining and unpacking complex thought processes. Thanks for all the effort you put into this.
Very thorough research. Like three days ago when rewatching the show I got the exact same thought for a video like this out of the blue. I was considering to do pretty much exactly what you did here, searched around if it had been done before and you beat me by a month on this one. I assume for the better, this is probably much more thoroughly researched than I'd be willing to do it addressing all off these claims so it might be for the better! Well done sir!
Glad you liked it! I hope it lived up to your hypothetical expectations.
@@Spamerica It surpassed them, I loved the idea with the graph :)
I wish you had more subs just because you make a good video format
Such a well made video it felt like 20 minutes not an hour.
This is great content. thanks for all the hard work you have put into making these videos.
Great vid. As a KvS fan, you've shown me things I've never thought of before.
This is one of the best videos I've ever seen in 15 years of watching RUclips
That is a high compliment kman. Here's to feelin good all the time.
I think you’re right in your assertion that spenny goes along with being the joke. I think this is for 2 reasons that are consistent to this day. 1: He is actually hilarious, and has learned to crank his own neuroticism and quirks to ten, fully conscious that they are funny and make the show better. But it is still spenny. It’s authentic. 2: He does this because he is self depricating, jewish and has incredibly low self esteem. Kenny is happy to capitalize on his weakness.
I think there’s a difference between manipulated and blatantly fake. I feel like there’s been instances of things being re-recorded or staged over the course of the series due to things out of Kenny’s/Spennys control like production fuck ups, network pressure, etc, but I still believe that 80% of the show is real. Great video
I dont know if anyone else has ever noticed this but in the Gorilla suit episode, after spenny falls in the pond and soaks his suit in water, he sits on the center of the fountain and kenny lights his mask on fire through a hole in the fence. From what i remember the spot on the mask that kenny lights on fire is completely soaked in one shot, and then in the next the area is conveniently dried off. Just something to maybe take a look at.
Huh, interesting. I'll have to look into it.
In my experience being arrested in Canada: While it's correct that people don't press charges in Canada (the crown does) it seems to me cops use that understood expression as shorthand for "pursue a case". In this example the case would almost certainly not make it far unless Kenny testified against Spenny. I believe that they are using "press charges" as an expression to communicate Kenny's willingness to testify.
I mean this sincerely: thank you for your expertise in this area.
That's my gut instinct too- it's a pretty normalized expression that is a shorthand for "don't hassle this guy on my behalf".
I'm SOOO speechless, I love these videos. They're so in-depth!! You did an unreal job, you should apply to be a detective lol. On a side note, I am SOOO curious to know more about spenny's moms. Anyway you can make an episode about it soon? KEEP THEM COMING!!!
This video: A+++
I wanted to bring something up. I've always noticed the 'actor' judge in the background of 'court case' and I assumed that it was Spenny using her as a character witness (as she was lied to in the actor episode) against Kenny, to hurt his credibility. I never noticed her in 'better chef' or 'better stripper' - which is weird because I've seen all of the episodes probably hundreds of times each!
Here's a possible timeline:
She is hired as the actor judge, meets Jamie and they start dating. It would make sense that she would be with him during the court episode for whatever reason, as well as invited to chef and stripper - as it seems they just invited / used several of their friends for a crowd in those episodes (Mark Breslin, Miriam hosting, etc.).
What do you think? Also, if you have any more detail on what / where you heard of her going out with Jamie I would love to hear it. I've always wondered about this.
The fake Spenny's mom just ruins those parts of those episodes for me, really wish they hadn't done that. Actual reality and Kenny annoying Spenny is gold on it's own - there's no need to cheapen it with fake narratives. Example: Kenny doing 'Helmut' while a pissed of straight faced Spenny watches on in the background. Always makes me laugh.
As for the female producer that supposedly sued Kenny that I mentioned in the comments of another of your videos, if I remember right you can see her in the 'better fashion designer' episode. I think she only worked on a few episodes in season one.
All well said. I will need to look into the producer in the fashion designer episode. I have no source for the Jamie dating the judge claim, I know I've seen it here or there but I can't trace it back to anything.
Kenny is so smart, he is able to predict non-creative narcissistic Spencer to the point that it's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Such a great job on all 3 videos, keep it up man
This is amazing man. Please keep this KVS Content going! You've earned a subscriber.
Thank you for sharing this labor of love with us!
Spenny’s mother passed this March. You can look up the obituary if you like. I’m not going to link it or even say the name of the obituary site. Rest In Piece Corinne Rice.
Kenny posted a condolence message on the website
At 21:00 and so on and whatever, winters in Canada go from bright to night in about 10 minutes.
So you could be seeing it bright outside, and it took them 10 minutes to talk Spenny into leaving and going for a walk to calm down, which is also about right for drunk people.
The 3 volumes have been great. I loved the show from back when it started and watched them numerous times. It was neat to see how everything adds up. Can’t wait till you do a new show or volume 4.
Great work... truly the most learned man.
1:03:16 Being in a crazy environment for long enough I feel like will start to make you a little crazier. Maybe just as he started to get more comfortable being on the show and in that setting, the more comfortable he felt yelling and making scenes. Being on camera could also cause people to exaggerate themselves a little.
48:48 saw Spennys mom in her obituary (hint: she’s a redhead, and lived in Malibu, CA)
In Canada you can choose not to press charges and the crown can choose to prosecute anyway, the police can also decide a matter isn't worth the time if the affected person doesn't want to pursue the matter. Lots of wiggle room up here
KvS is up there with TPB for me I love this show
great video. very solid and cohesive editing/research. good shit.
Absolutely great video! Rapper episode is legendary tho 😆 we wouldn’t have “E-Minum”
That video was honestly amazing the amount of work you must of put into it. I could get of watched another hour of that video as someone who has watched kvs for over 10 years now on repeat I've tried to stay away from the theories about it being fake as I just loved it for what it is so most of these theories were new to me and you explained them all perfectly. What an amazing video Great job i would love to see you on a call with Kenny and spenny watching this video it would be great.
Thanks! I'd love to see that too.
17:03 His Brother is a doctor and have his own doctor practice so it's very possible that he took it there from.
Yep, Kenny's pretty well connected in general too, so doesn't surprise me.
I love your series. Thanks so much for making this
This series of videos deserves wayyyy more views. Good job sir this is so well made, the hour long video went way too fast
KvS need to react to your video, good info, great editing, I hope your channel blows up soon 🙌
i am watching kvs since... forever. i really enjoyed your video. great work!
Incredible video man really. Watched this show for 10 years and I completely agree with you!
The thing about Spenny getting arrested that I don't buy is he had to stay the night at the police station to lose. Why would they keep him over night for such a petty "crime"? In this case they would have had a few questions at the police station and that's about it. Spenny wasn't drunk or anything and would definitely cooperate with the police officers.
Another thing I don't buy about this episode is that they allegedly sleep under a bridge directly near the road on a stone floor for 2 nights without sleeping bags or at least a blanket. They don't even show how they wake up in the morning or even mention that the night was bad or that they didn't get enough sleep or having back pain from the hard floor.
But whatever it's still one of my favorite episodes.
Absolutely fantastic video! Thank you for making this
This was something else.
There is a little spenny in all of us
Wow what an amazing analysis.
Also, I'm from the same province as Kenny/Spenny and I can provide some clarity on the police situation. Charges are situational. In most cases the victim can decide the charges. But, for special situations such as domestic abuse, the police decide the charges. (This is done to prevent the victim from defending the abuser)
Cop cars in Canada vary a tonne in their decoration, depending on when they were made, and which police group they belong to. For example here in Vancouver we have VPD, and Transit Police, both separate outfits. There's also the RCMP which operate outside of Vancouver, but within greater Vancouver. I live near a bridge that overlooks the cop shop parking area, I'll send a photo so you can see just how many styles there are just in one city.
Basically no proof those cars were fake. If they are similar, it's because they are from the same "batch," if not they aren't. I know in Ontario they have the OPP and presumably the RCMP, those don't look like RCMP cars.
The Spenny's mom thing makes complete sense to me. And I don't get some of your own inconclusiveness about it.
Corrine is THAT paranoid about being on camera, every physical thing we see with her on the show of course happened, but had to be recreated after the fact with a stand-in.
All the cut away shots of Spenny reacting or Kenny reacting (YOU'RE NOT GONNA TOUCH HER and Kenny in the bathroom lamenting that he's drunk and can't physically force himself to make a move) are from the real event; notice Corrine isn't actively in the shot; but they're spliced in with the stand-in recreations, which definitely do look acted out the more you look at it.
The exact same situation as the Donna cup moment. "Let's dramatize it".
I used to think KvS was partially fake until I worked on a reality TV show in Edmonton called...Northenders? Northsiders? I honestly will never remember the name...I just got the cheque and did audio.
On weekends we went to a bar to film and most of the footage wasn't used, but when production saw a stranger interacting with our cast, they would be like "Is it okay if we mic you and you can redo your entrance and you can get on TV?" Sometimes we would use the retake, sometimes we would use the boom take. Whichever one looked better for TV.
And that was the moment that I went "Ahhhhhh, you need to do TV magic to make reality TV work."
Yep! It's funny, the most compelling reason to me I think the show is "real" is because of stupid little things that will make no sense to people unless you do them.
Like, I'm editing together a "special edition" of Who's the better basketball coach? with all the outtakes spliced in. And it's just impossible- I'm making decisions a decade after the fact about when certain stuff happened, I'm having to think about putting some stuff out of place because it's just funnier here vs there and it doesn't hurt much to do it that way. K & S are on the couch, then doing the rules, but I gotta put the infamous Suitcase Rant in there. But they go from the couch to upstairs in it- so now I gotta have them on the couch, then upstairs, then downstairs for the rules. Was Spenny's outburst in his room after the rules, though? Do I gotta chop the outtake up? It's an unwinnable scenario from a "reality" point of view when you're trying to make the show work, you're 100% right.
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Until someone does it, they have no idea!
This is an incredible retrospective by the way! It brought me back to being 10 watching the first season on CBC all over again. Can't wait for more.
i know kenny personally..through a comedy club i work at,ill be showing this to him,he will love it.
He reached out a couple weeks ago and wanted to get in touch, but he hasn't responded when I've followed up. I'd drop pretty much everything to talk with him!
@@Spamerica hes a great guy man
I'm amazed you didn't include the scene in the handcuffed episode, in which Kenny clearly claps his hands during the "surprise party" for Spenny. I'd love to hear an explanation for that. Otherwise great videos! Very well researched and insightful.
I was going to say the same. They also wear different handcuffs in different scenes, and one of the pairs are toy cuffs (which wouldn’t need a key to open).
@@zachjohnson637 didn't even know that. I'm gonna have to check it out again.
Thanks! I've watched the moment in handcuffed a lot, and I see how it looks suspicious, but I don't see how it's definitely fake. I'm undecided.
I want to get a pair of handcuffs and a buddy and try to recreate the shot, and see how well I can clap my hands. Mythbusters style.
Very well done! Thank you for making these!
This is an amazing video. I was rewatching some of the remastered episodes on Kenny's channel and had a thought "They may be fake, I'll look it up"
Then I get this absolute masterpiece!
So glad to have found this channel!
Ive seen this series about 5 times now. Brilliant
for the cop thing, there was an interview with spenny and someone brought up the police thing and he got extremely mad and they dropped the topic, so I think he may have caught a charge or something from this
Very good commentary. The reality is that all, er, reality shows, are "faked" to at least this degree. They reshoot scenes (I've witnessed this as an extra), they edit things so they look synced up, and a quarter of things are pre-determined ahead of time as the boys have admitted-- that's why some KvS episodes have someone credited for "STORY". Their live events also have some back-and-forth that they repeat line for line if you watch recordings of the tour in separate areas. There are just some things you have to stage for the sake of the bit, for the sake of continuity, and for the sake of the cast/crew being comfortable.
It's nice that there's this video covering all this so we can finally open up on KvS being as real as network TV allows and finally put this decade-long debate to bed in the hopes we don't fight over it anymore.
Kenny gets mad over the idea the show is "fake", but it's as you said; What _is_ fake and what counts as real? It's a "real" show, definitely a bit realer than some other reality shows, but a lot is redone or dramatized to puff it up, like all media-- and most all of that is decided by Kenny and crew anyway, so it doesn't matter because it's the star's own decision. And even then, sometimes Kenny will just throw all that out the window and change it without anyone knowing. Spenny is the one person most always kept in the dark too, so that's definitely a more real element. Additionally, Spenny seems to be more complicit with the way the industry works (his use of the wardrobe term "my look", wearing makeup on TV, etc.) which a fun contrast.
Again, really great analysis, perfect piece to sum up why we have this debate and how we can settle it. Definitely in my opinion the last word on KvS's realness.
Absolutely stunning work, dude. Wow
A lot of Kenny vs Spenny is obviously scripted but it's still a funny show and they have natural comedic chemistry between them.
prob my fav kvs fan video wow. good job man
Not able to watch the vid right now so my bad if this was already mentioned
On Instagram, Rod (Spenny’s trainer in the pilot episode) said that he was hired to play a “stereotype d bag trainer” for the show and was never paid for it. Kenny then left a like on his comment (I checked a bit ago and he unliked it eventually), which makes me think that Rod’s statement is true. But Rod did make the episode more entertaining and it was the pilot, so it makes sense why they did that
Thanks for the comment. I have this on my master list but didn't make the cut for this video.
Spamerica Watched the video and it was very well done man. You deserve way more subs! Subscribed and liked
Thanks for doing so much research. Honestly you’re the best. I really want to believe but now I’m at the end of #3 and I’m starting to think you have rose coloured glasses on. I do too but there’s too many signs. I’m heartbroken lol
Thank you for the encouragement. I might be optimistic, but a few things are definitely true: the show is not 100% "real", there are things (core, important things) in the show that are 100% real, and the things that people point to as being fake are usually stupid. That was maybe my takeaway from all that research.
You have done a terrific job on this entire series, thanks for doing this!
In case you didn't notice this while doing research on Dr Cabbie - it was Filmed entirely in Toronto, ON. I think this really backs up your claim about Spenny's Mom being a that specific actor.
Thank you for your videos ❤️❤️❤️ I love the show and now I found someone who likes the show as much as I do
These are great videos. Thanks for making them.
I imagine Corrine wanted anonymity due to the nature of the show, however Corrine Rice passed away in 2021. The obituary I found I'm pretty sure is for Spencer's mother due to the "Gross" family being involved, Gross being the maiden family name (Bianca's last name is Gross). The dead dont require anonymity any longer.
the 10 pics chosen were funny, especially little Spenny standing there in his robe as that one kept me laughing. lol
i think it's like any show on TV or any media online or out there in any format, some of it is real and some of it is fake.
i like how this whole video was taking a comedy show and analyzing it in a more serious and scientific way, and then it just ends with Spenny cracking a rat. LMAO!
This is great, thanks for making it!
I really don't understand your point about the coffee cups being empty and how a production team wouldn't be dumb enough to not fill the cups up. If you do a simple search you'll see very quickly that it is common to use empty cups in scenes like that.
This is astonishingly good. Hats off
Such a great video! Ur a legend man
I watch your videos once a month. Hope to see more uploads eventually.
Great analysis, great video, I've pondered much of this also. Cheers