You are an amazing mechanic sir all those shops couldn’t figure it out bcuz they weren’t thinking like u as far as doing the most for the customer that u can without charging an arm and a leg shows u have integrity and care about your customers not a lot of ppl out here like u I have the same problem but the v8 model I’m going to put into the shop to figure out what’s wrong but not before I check myself after watching this
Foot on brake, hazards on, headlights on and the headlight stalk pulled to the flash position. Hold that through out the whole scan procedure and that will allow you to keep the gateway on and scan the kessy module
I believe this vehicles have 2 pumps , primary and secondary and always need replacement together. For the last concern. Great video my brother your are a genius. Even dealer couldn't fix this .?!
Great case study! 👍 Those cars had a problem with the drains clogging up underneath the cowl area. You can even see in your video they are full of debris. They better approve a cleanup as well and unclogging the drains,otherwise more problems will be coming along shortly. Thanks for the video!
Actually this format of hitting the highlights was very interesting and kept the video flowing very well. That was a fantastic diag! Really good for the customer.
Nice video. Glad to see more Euro cars. Sounds like a quality shop, requiring documentation of the problem and the fix.-plus they allow you to film. Looking forward to more videos. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I'm getting caught up on your prior videos. This one....wow. Absolutely brilliant. Your analytical ability and HUGE scope of knowledge is off the charts.
Once again thanks very much for the shared experience Mario. Waiting for part 2. Methinks the Cayenne was in accident and wasn't repaired the right way at the bodyshop(not sealed) and now water gets in andgreen crusties WILL continue to appear with every year passed.
Good God, I hope you are not playing flat rate at that new shop brother!?!? "Crimp is fine, as long as it's done correctly!" That is EXACTLY RIGHT! Great job Mario!
I loved being the go-to guy back 30 years ago. I moved to NC 1996 where it's all about car count. Admit that NC pays at least double what i made back home but miss doing this type of stuff. It's much like knowing other languages though. If you don't use it you lose it. Plus shops can't be convinced it's ethical to CHARGE for diag. If the guy on the front counter doesn't believe it you going broke.
A++. EEPROM stuff in interesting and good use of your resources. Those chip adapters can be hit or miss with making good contact with the EEPROM chip not letting you get a good dump. Not a bad idea to get an other chip adapter for a "just in a case" if you start doing more EEPROM dumps. I for sure have lost some time in my life wondering why I couldn't get a successful dump even though it recognized the chip.
Thanks for sharing Bro👍 This one is an interesting case study, would be more fun to learn the process of making the dealer key if you could record it😉 Looking forward to more videos👍 Stay safe Bro❤
I had the same thing happen to my 2004 Cayenne Turbo 955. I took that thing to 3 shops. The last one was Jim Ellis Porsche in Atlanta GA. After a month of messing around with it and trying new keys etc. They told me the only way to fix it was 3 new Modules plus yet another key to the cost of around 12k-14K . I sold the car as is and the guy that bought it from me claimed he fixed it but I cannot verify that claim. SMH sucked because I lost a lot of money and I really liked the vehicle for the most part. I even wrote a long and very detailed email to PUSA and got no reconciliation for such a massive and obvious design flaw.
Incredible video! As a constant tinkerer/project car builder, and the owner of a 2006 Cayenne S and 1999 LS 996, Porsche keys are a giant pain for me. Is the IM508 adequate for making keys and programming Kessy modules (and maybe other modules) on these cars? I'd love to be in control of this stuff on my cars...
I had a similar start then stall issue and it turned out to be a broken fuse terminal on the ecu fuse. That was in a rx300. Stale fuel usually either doesn't run well but shouldn't stall so I'm thinking fuel control relay or something on the cold start circuit. Did you try the MAF and TPS?
Thank you for sharing.. I have a 2005 955 that sat for over a year and now I have a code that says, key out of sync. I'll have to look around those wires but I may have a programming issue. It turns on fine but i have to turn the key on and off to be able to lock the car.
I have the same Porsche, I have a crank no start but I shave no codes. I have changed the battery, both camshaft sensors, crankshaft sensor and both fuel pumps. Don’t know what else can be wrong, If you have any helpful info it would be helpful thanks.
So my 2006 Cayenne s stop working ignition faulty lock was the warning sign on the dashboard I called a key company they programmed a extra key and still nothing so I decided removed a key and ignition switch and key computer from a different Porsche Cayenne s now I get a immobilizer active Sign on the dashboard should I call again the key company for a program since it’s not the original key or ignition or computer or can it be something else ?
Holy crap what kind of car did I just buy 😣 My 2004 4.5 is still starting and running, but I don't want any immobilizers. Is it possible to kill the immobilizer permanently?
Having done some similar work as a hobbyist, I still don´t understand the definition of a "dealer key", and the difference to a programmed key, yes tried google, no luck. someone that knows?
Assuming that the black dotted lines on the wiring diagram means they are splices, and not "optional connections". Then based on your description of the two relays and the wiring diagram, it looks to me like, in addition to the grey and black wire issue, there is also a problem with pin 86 of the relay 2 being open circuited. Otherwise when you unplugged relay 1, you should still see B+ at pin 85 because relay 2 should be back feeding the grey and black wire just like relay 1 did. So I think it's possible that the car is still running on relay 1 only right now.
Sorry i must have worded it wrong. Relay 2 was removed when i checked its pin 85, removing relay 1 took away the power from pin 85relay 2, proving continuity
I know all these things have to be programmed so what I can do is get a new fob a blank PCM leave the Cassie because it gets burnt to the new pcm Send you new key fobs I’ll even send the Dash consule I don’t know if you have the bench test Module
Funny enough, I got a $2k V6 cayenne and I suspect it might have exactly the same problem with the control wire for the two main relays. I have +12V to the relay coils with Term15 on, but +2V at the control pins for the two relays. If I reach in there and find a corroded wire I'll Venmo you $25 because it would have taken me much longer to think of that and find it
Great job BTW. Seems like you had to de-solder the Kessy eeprom and put it in the reader? Is that done by design? You would think it could be read with the tool.
Good work man. I am the diagnostic tech at a Porsche independent repair shop and I can say that you really know your shit. I think your fuel pump issue was a bad primary pump. Theres 2 pumps, primary and secondary...and when you start the car both run for 10 seconds or so and then the secondary shuts off. Its only used at WOT or if fuel level gets low after that. So if your primary is dead, the vehicle will run for 10 seconds and then die when then secondary pump shuts off. Seems like that is whats happening in this scenario. Anyway, nice work. Cayenne wiring is TERRIBLE with the way they crimp connections together and the tendency of the vehicle to flood due to clogged A/C drains or clogged body drains. Plus the e box is in the cowl! Who the fuck does that? Bad placement. All that shit teamed with the 3 inches of sound deadening material under the carpet makes a perfect habitat for corrosion and green crusty copper oxidation. Anyways, hats off to you for a job well done. Cayennes are not easy to figure out. Youre a smart dude.
Thanks, i put up a second video addressing the fueling issue. Of course looking back now, there's a much easier way to diagnose, but as it was my first time seeing this, i went about it the long way LOL thanks for taking the time to watch and comment! Here's a link to that video if you're interested ruclips.net/video/CuKBTxFiedc/видео.html
I'm sorry but some of your terminology has me confused. "Dealer key" you clearly stated that the new key was an OEM key purchased from the dealer but at the same time you said it was not a dealer key and that vehicle requires at least one dealer key to reactivate KL-15 and you used this IM608 tool to make it a dealer key. What you did it's usually never performed by US german marquee dealer techs. As a BMW dealer tech I have encountered older BMWs with new keys do the same thing as you, after getting BMW NA involved we usually replaced various EWS modules with different part# s, sometimes completely new EWS modules with new keys and lock cylinders to get them to work. I been told BMW AG keeps 4 EWS modules and 8 keys for each vehicle in stock when the vehicle was made. These keys and EWS modules can go bad if they sit in the shell for 10+ years. Buying a new key from BMW for pre 2000 MY BMWS' sometimes can be headaches. These older german vehicles definitely buying a clone key the best option using your tool to dump the information from the original EWS EPROM into the clone " virgin" key instead of a over price dealer key that probably won't work in a 20+ year old car.
Dealer key has nothing to do with where one acquires the key. It's same as making a "master" key. Toyota has the same thing. Each Toyota has to have at least one "master" key programmed into the vehicle, regardless of whether it's an oe key or a cheap eBay clone
Got a 2004 cayenne s says move steering wheel and put in park , car is manually in park via cable depess by shift lever, (shift level removed) hazards on security light on driver door doesn’t stop blinking apparently the corrosion on the left side hasn’t happened and the wires are intact I do need to check fuses the brown and red wire has been modified I do have to check the fuse under the seat and the fuses in the side compartments on the left and right I am willing to pay $1000 if you can walk me through this verbally I am a mechanic myself I’m inclined to do some things I for the most part have the dash ripped apart so I’m ready to tackle any computers any steering column lock or Kessy module
Hey guy, why after dumping the Kessy 93C86 EEPROM, you didn't do to the Autel Write Key Via Dump and after create your key on a free Slot, then Save the new Bin file, Go to Programmer > EEPROM > ST > M93XXX > EEPROM > Write ... On EEPROM ... Put back EEPROM on Kessy module ... And that's it.
You are an amazing mechanic sir all those shops couldn’t figure it out bcuz they weren’t thinking like u as far as doing the most for the customer that u can without charging an arm and a leg shows u have integrity and care about your customers not a lot of ppl out here like u I have the same problem but the v8 model I’m going to put into the shop to figure out what’s wrong but not before I check myself after watching this
Foot on brake, hazards on, headlights on and the headlight stalk pulled to the flash position. Hold that through out the whole scan procedure and that will allow you to keep the gateway on and scan the kessy module
I tried all that and it still didn't work. Only cycling the key kept the kessy talking
This is why we love super Mario Diagnostics, guy this is a great diagnostic case study Mario. Wow is all I can say. You never cease to amaze
I believe this vehicles have 2 pumps , primary and secondary and always need replacement together. For the last concern. Great video my brother your are a genius. Even dealer couldn't fix this .?!
That one tested you, passed with flying colours 👍
Great case study! 👍 Those cars had a problem with the drains clogging up underneath the cowl area. You can even see in your video they are full of debris. They better approve a cleanup as well and unclogging the drains,otherwise more problems will be coming along shortly.
Thanks for the video!
Actually this format of hitting the highlights was very interesting and kept the video flowing very well. That was a fantastic diag! Really good for the customer.
Nice video. Glad to see more Euro cars. Sounds like a quality shop, requiring documentation of the problem and the fix.-plus they allow you to film. Looking forward to more videos. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I'm getting caught up on your prior videos. This one....wow. Absolutely brilliant. Your analytical ability and HUGE scope of knowledge is off the charts.
Thanks for taking the time bud
I do my work just like u love the content ❤
Once again thanks very much for the shared experience Mario. Waiting for part 2. Methinks the Cayenne was in accident and wasn't repaired the right way at the bodyshop(not sealed) and now water gets in andgreen crusties WILL continue to appear with every year passed.
thank you for the feed back when I diag a vehicle I only start with 30 min then have to get more time very frustrating
before you got the kessy fixed were the dashlights off along with steering locked?
Mario excellent troubleshooting and yes I'm sure it was a lot of fun. Take care and stay well Artie ❤️
Excellent job brother, nice explanation and clear walk through. I love to see these IM608 Immo videos. It’s an awesome tool. Thanks for sharing.
I have a 2004 Porsche cayenne s I have the same problem you gave me hope
Good God, I hope you are not playing flat rate at that new shop brother!?!?
"Crimp is fine, as long as it's done correctly!" That is EXACTLY RIGHT!
Great job Mario!
No flat rate for me bro ✊
Honestly i just didn't want to disassemble all that wiring 😆
Thanks bud!
It looked tasty for sure, great case study!
I loved being the go-to guy back 30 years ago. I moved to NC 1996 where it's all about car count. Admit that NC pays at least double what i made back home but miss doing this type of stuff. It's much like knowing other languages though. If you don't use it you lose it. Plus shops can't be convinced it's ethical to CHARGE for diag. If the guy on the front counter doesn't believe it you going broke.
Very informative, good diagnosis, nice detective work 👍
Very nice explanation
A++. EEPROM stuff in interesting and good use of your resources. Those chip adapters can be hit or miss with making good contact with the EEPROM chip not letting you get a good dump. Not a bad idea to get an other chip adapter for a "just in a case" if you start doing more EEPROM dumps. I for sure have lost some time in my life wondering why I couldn't get a successful dump even though it recognized the chip.
hello, I have a 2007 porsche cayenne 3.6 v6 and it doesn't start only when the engine is hot, I changed the high pressure pump and the same problem
amazing diagnostic work....whatever your charging..its not enough
Great job you are a top notch tech your videos are very interesting love to watch them thanks
We someone like you in New York
you are awesome 😎 I wish I had you here now I have and issue with my key not working with my 09 Porsche Cayenne v6 base model.
Where are you located
That's great work man..my congrats on your further part of life
That was a great video. You are real Technician like never give up. 👍
Thanks for sharing Bro👍
This one is an interesting case study, would be more fun to learn the process of making the dealer key if you could record it😉
Looking forward to more videos👍
Stay safe Bro❤
Awesome job! Good walk through as well.
Awesome Find! Great process thank you for sharing bro.
Thank you Mario. This car is like Shrek. An onion with many layers. Have a blessed and safe week to you and your family.
You need a raise!
I had the same thing happen to my 2004 Cayenne Turbo 955. I took that thing to 3 shops. The last one was Jim Ellis Porsche in Atlanta GA. After a month of messing around with it and trying new keys etc. They told me the only way to fix it was 3 new Modules plus yet another key to the cost of around 12k-14K . I sold the car as is and the guy that bought it from me claimed he fixed it but I cannot verify that claim. SMH sucked because I lost a lot of money and I really liked the vehicle for the most part. I even wrote a long and very detailed email to PUSA and got no reconciliation for such a massive and obvious design flaw.
This is high level diagnosis and repair. Nice vid sir.
Incredible video! As a constant tinkerer/project car builder, and the owner of a 2006 Cayenne S and 1999 LS 996, Porsche keys are a giant pain for me. Is the IM508 adequate for making keys and programming Kessy modules (and maybe other modules) on these cars? I'd love to be in control of this stuff on my cars...
My respect for you Mario 🏆
I had a similar start then stall issue and it turned out to be a broken fuse terminal on the ecu fuse. That was in a rx300. Stale fuel usually either doesn't run well but shouldn't stall so I'm thinking fuel control relay or something on the cold start circuit. Did you try the MAF and TPS?
Thanks for sharing this incredible case study. Regards pal.
Now that's a serious diag brother sik job.
Thank you for sharing.. I have a 2005 955 that sat for over a year and now I have a code that says, key out of sync. I'll have to look around those wires but I may have a programming issue. It turns on fine but i have to turn the key on and off to be able to lock the car.
awesome job Mario
That IM608 looks amazing, being able to do eeprom work!
That was a great walkthrough and diag, Mario!
Thanks pj! This opens up a whole new thing man!
I have the same Porsche, I have a crank no start but I shave no codes. I have changed the battery, both camshaft sensors, crankshaft sensor and both fuel pumps. Don’t know what else can be wrong, If you have any helpful info it would be helpful thanks.
So my 2006 Cayenne s stop working ignition faulty lock was the warning sign on the dashboard I called a key company they programmed a extra key and still nothing so I decided removed a key and ignition switch and key computer from a different Porsche Cayenne s now I get a immobilizer active Sign on the dashboard should I call again the key company for a program since it’s not the original key or ignition or computer or can it be something else ?
Hello did you get a 5 digit pin threw EEPRON ?
Holy crap what kind of car did I just buy 😣 My 2004 4.5 is still starting and running, but I don't want any immobilizers. Is it possible to kill the immobilizer permanently?
Wow, awesome find, and job
So what about if u have no dme communication due to wrong programming?
Good job Mario.
Fantastic, love your content 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Having done some similar work as a hobbyist, I still don´t understand the definition of a "dealer key", and the difference to a programmed key, yes tried google, no luck. someone that knows?
Great job Mario 👌💗🔧
You are the man Mario!!! Liked
where are you located ( we don't have no one like you in New York)
Great work!!
How many problem that car has? Lol. Thank you for sharing to us your knowledge.
Woderfull work Mario!
Nice video man good find!
Superb Mario!! Great job bro gotta love VW products lol
Good work!!
wow this is fun one
I have the same car and I have the same problem how can I get it to you before I scrap the thing
I'm in Oakland park, FL. Are you near there?
@@SuperMarioDiagnostics ah man now I’ll never get it fixed I’m in Houston,tx it’s been sitting for 3 months now
I would recommend Kennedy's auto solutions. Give them a call, tell Kurt i sent you. Good dude
❤Woooo dude rough
Assuming that the black dotted lines on the wiring diagram means they are splices, and not "optional connections". Then based on your description of the two relays and the wiring diagram, it looks to me like, in addition to the grey and black wire issue, there is also a problem with pin 86 of the relay 2 being open circuited. Otherwise when you unplugged relay 1, you should still see B+ at pin 85 because relay 2 should be back feeding the grey and black wire just like relay 1 did. So I think it's possible that the car is still running on relay 1 only right now.
Sorry i must have worded it wrong. Relay 2 was removed when i checked its pin 85, removing relay 1 took away the power from pin 85relay 2, proving continuity
Nice !
To be honest I believe the steering lock has failed there is a faint clicking when I turn the steering wheel
I know all these things have to be programmed so what I can do is get a new fob a blank PCM leave the Cassie because it gets burnt to the new pcm Send you new key fobs I’ll even send the Dash consule I don’t know if you have the bench test Module
What was the problem with the fan how did you fix it?
The fan was internally shorted at the fan control module
Funny enough, I got a $2k V6 cayenne and I suspect it might have exactly the same problem with the control wire for the two main relays. I have +12V to the relay coils with Term15 on, but +2V at the control pins for the two relays.
If I reach in there and find a corroded wire I'll Venmo you $25 because it would have taken me much longer to think of that and find it
Dam thats cool video stay safe SUPER MARIO if you ever want to move to Arizona i would make you a partner
nice video as always sir question how much labor time was involved in this diag
Three hours to get it to where it's at now
Great job BTW.
Seems like you had to de-solder the Kessy eeprom and put it in the reader?
Is that done by design? You would think it could be read with the tool.
Yes that's exactly what you have to do. Some jobs allow you to keep the eeprom installed, some tell you to remove them 👍 thanks!
Hey mario tienes algun numero donde m pueda comunicar con tigo ?
This scan is badass i want one. Where can i find one at a reasonable price. Where did you get it
Got mine from the cornwell truck lol
Will the old key work now?
No it's dead
Where are you located please Mario?
@supermario
We live in Orlando, FL and we really need your expertise on our vehicles
Oakland Park, FL
EGR condition?
Def not egr related
That’s crazy that’s a lot of work how many hours do you have in that car
Up to that point about 3 hours
Some of the equipment & trucks I work take a lot of time mechanical is ez electric you can’t see an it take a much time in some cases
👍👍
We dropped our key it broke and paid 600 dollars at the porsche dealership and we were are on our way home
yheeeabooy!
Good work man. I am the diagnostic tech at a Porsche independent repair shop and I can say that you really know your shit. I think your fuel pump issue was a bad primary pump. Theres 2 pumps, primary and secondary...and when you start the car both run for 10 seconds or so and then the secondary shuts off. Its only used at WOT or if fuel level gets low after that. So if your primary is dead, the vehicle will run for 10 seconds and then die when then secondary pump shuts off. Seems like that is whats happening in this scenario. Anyway, nice work. Cayenne wiring is TERRIBLE with the way they crimp connections together and the tendency of the vehicle to flood due to clogged A/C drains or clogged body drains. Plus the e box is in the cowl! Who the fuck does that? Bad placement. All that shit teamed with the 3 inches of sound deadening material under the carpet makes a perfect habitat for corrosion and green crusty copper oxidation. Anyways, hats off to you for a job well done. Cayennes are not easy to figure out. Youre a smart dude.
Thanks, i put up a second video addressing the fueling issue. Of course looking back now, there's a much easier way to diagnose, but as it was my first time seeing this, i went about it the long way LOL thanks for taking the time to watch and comment!
Here's a link to that video if you're interested
ruclips.net/video/CuKBTxFiedc/видео.html
2004 Porsche Cayenne wont kome outta park ,
I'm sorry but some of your terminology has me confused. "Dealer key" you clearly stated that the new key was an OEM key purchased from the dealer but at the same time you said it was not a dealer key and that vehicle requires at least one dealer key to reactivate KL-15 and you used this IM608 tool to make it a dealer key. What you did it's usually never performed by US german marquee dealer techs. As a BMW dealer tech I have encountered older BMWs with new keys do the same thing as you, after getting BMW NA involved we usually replaced various EWS modules with different part# s, sometimes completely new EWS modules with new keys and lock cylinders to get them to work. I been told BMW AG keeps 4 EWS modules and 8 keys for each vehicle in stock when the vehicle was made. These keys and EWS modules can go bad if they sit in the shell for 10+ years. Buying a new key from BMW for pre 2000 MY BMWS' sometimes can be headaches. These older german vehicles definitely buying a clone key the best option using your tool to dump the information from the original EWS EPROM into the clone " virgin" key instead of a over price dealer key that probably won't work in a 20+ year old car.
Dealer key has nothing to do with where one acquires the key. It's same as making a "master" key. Toyota has the same thing. Each Toyota has to have at least one "master" key programmed into the vehicle, regardless of whether it's an oe key or a cheap eBay clone
@@SuperMarioDiagnostics thank you, I'm used to BMW jargon. I'm familiar with the term "master" key. I never heard a master key as " dealer" key.
Got a 2004 cayenne s says move steering wheel and put in park , car is manually in park via cable depess by shift lever, (shift level removed) hazards on security light on driver door doesn’t stop blinking apparently the corrosion on the left side hasn’t happened and the wires are intact I do need to check fuses the brown and red wire has been modified I do have to check the fuse under the seat and the fuses in the side compartments on the left and right I am willing to pay $1000 if you can walk me through this verbally I am a mechanic myself I’m inclined to do some things I for the most part have the dash ripped apart so I’m ready to tackle any computers any steering column lock or Kessy module
Email me at supermariodiagnostics@yahoo.com
Hey guy, why after dumping the Kessy 93C86 EEPROM, you didn't do to the Autel Write Key Via Dump and after create your key on a free Slot, then Save the new Bin file, Go to Programmer > EEPROM > ST > M93XXX > EEPROM > Write ... On EEPROM ... Put back EEPROM on Kessy module ... And that's it.
Back then, there was no "write key via dump" option