So true, the reason for any shipwreck is chosing desire over intellectual and rational thinking. If it involves rationalistic thinking, none will have shiperecked their faith, rather they will like to made a beautiful presentation of their intellectual knowledge of the Bible and their never bending faith on the God
It's been said that sin is an archery term, meaning to miss the mark... I definitely don't prefer to miss the mark, I just can't aim well enough to hit the bullseye, apparently! 🤦😤
I struggle with this too. I hear. I know God is real. I even experienced a demon. I know God is here. I still sin and choose one sin in particular. I for some reason cannot let it go.
Keep praying and seek God like treasure. I struggled with a sin for many years and would fall into it frequently. I hated my sin and hated myself everytime I sinned, and pleaded for years with God to help me stop. Years later and I do not fall into it anymore by the grace of God. Pursuing Christ and focusing on who he is was what I was lacking all those years. I no longer feel those past desires, as I know it dishonors God my father whom I love. "If you love me, you will keep my commandments"
all Christians have the same problem. but remember that God has saved you if you truly believe with all your heart ( The Gospel ) and what he has started He will finish and NOTHING can snatch us from His hand. God loves us because of His son Jesus not because of what we do. Romans 8:38-39 38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord. We sin, We confess, Jesus forgives. This will continue throughout our entire life. Eventually we will sin less. The Spirit is willing but the Flesh is weak. Continue to HATE your sin and LOVE righteousness. We will overcome by the Power of the Holy Spirit
Wow this was so powerful. 🔥 In the end it's a love for sin and other things that keep us from making the journey heaven ward . God help us to truly love what is good and to Hate what is evil and grant us the wisdom to discern the two. 🙏
@@ChristianJune32002 No you first get baptized by the Holy Spirit when you accept him in your life and eventually after showing actions of true repentance you may get baptized by water.
Thank you for this Pastor John. I still struggle in my heart with those who have fallen away because of intellectual and what they deem as historical inaccuracies as their reason for falling away. I couldn't find a good example of a person falling away because of this reason. Wrestling with a brother in the faith(Phanatik) who's ministry has been one of a few that affected me tremendously for the sake of Christ. As mentioned by brother, Tony at the end sums up how I and I'm sure many others, feel. God bless you.
John Piper makes a good point that so often when people abandon the faith, it is not because of intellectual problems but because they don't want to keep resisting sin.
@@ChristianJune32002 Yes. John chapter 3 states that. One has to be baptized in water in the HOLY SPIRIT, for one to see the kingdom of GOD. I also need to be baptized, I need help with that.
One thing I have realized from my own experience is that the reason that used to stop me from sinning is fear of people's judgements and not my love for God. That tactic eventually doesn't work because it leads to our love for God growing cold (Matthew 24:12). So us who are standing on God,let's take heed least we fall (1 Corinthians 10:12).
Religion is only a stepping stone or a stumbling block; but definitely not an end in itself. Ironically, we glibly say that "the kingdom of God is within ourselves" and still look for Him in scriptures and so-called "holy" buildings/places.
Let’s pray each other, for God is trusted to us . Gracious and merciful God. People have to know his grace to stand strong. Very important question, to stand on the faith. Three layers of faith. 1) upper layer. Called but love richness 2) middle layer. Called but love world 3) core layer . Electeds faith. Love God and his holiness. We are from the elected in Christ, let’s delight in holiness of God.
I wonder if this is why the prayer in Ephesians 3 matters so much...If we are not rooted and grounded in love, we are as those mentioned on Mark 4 without a root...I realised the connection between what the Lord said about falling away and having an encounter with His love! It's profound! And if we continue in His Word we know that's how we're set free!
@@jkkroch Acts 2:38: “And Peter said to them, Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” Acts 2:38 proves that salvation requires baptism with water.
Hey man. Completely understand your thinking. However as I looked more deeply into commentaries around this passage, the receiving the HS is in concurrence with believing. Truly saved people will want to abide, so I don't think it's worth arguing over and I therefore do of course agree that we should obey this scripture. But I guess I always go back to what ephesians says about being saved by GRACE through faith. Our faith can of course be shown by our works like James mentions, but it's not a free gift if we have to work for it. Hope that helps.
Let me tell you about my shipwreck... Life in essence began to become disappointing... the goals I had set myself and meditated upon seemed to get out of reach... and in a slow and progressive manner my meditation on God's word and prayer started to decline... To the point I only prayed for food... And ultimately... I just became silent...
@@ChristianJune32002 Hello, Benjamin! No you are not required to be baptized to be saved, at least not with water. You must first be baptized with the Holy Spirit--meaning if you recieve Christ in your heart, believe in Him, love Him, follow Him and experience His forgiveness you're saved! Baptism by water is only a representation of our partaking in Christ's suffering (being immersed in the water) and in His Glory (raised from water.)
2 Timothy 2:11-13 This is a faithful saying: For if we died with Him, We shall also live with Him. If we endure, We shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us. If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself. 2 Timothy 2:19-26 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.” But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some for honor and some for dishonor. Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work. Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
In 1 Tim 1:20 Paul says: 'Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have delivered to Satan, so that they may be taught not to blaspheme'. Paul's reference here to them being taught not to blaspheme suggests that Paul had hopes that they would repent and get onto the straight and narrow path.
This is for anyone who reads this I recently mess up in life that almost got me in jail and I quit my job life can be chaotic internal and external I need someone to prey for me
may the God who is faithful and true and always keeps his promises stoke the passions in your heart for him and nothing else may He be your joy in this life into the next and may the lies of this world no longer have a hold on you remember who you really are a beautiful daughter of the king and nothing less
2 Peter 2:20-22 says this: 'For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: "The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire." ' Escaping the defilements of the world through the knowledge of Christ here surely involves being genuinely saved. It is very difficult to believe that a superficial interest in the Christian faith that didn’t result in salvation would be described in this way. Similarly, the fact that the sow is said to have washed fits very poorly with the idea that the proverb is referring to a superficial faith that never involved forgiveness of sins. So Peter is referring in these verses to people who have genuinely experienced salvation. And he says that their final condition is worse than their initial condition. This has to mean that things for them are worse than before they had the saving knowledge of Christ. So their last condition must involve being unsaved. The dog returning to its vomit and the sow returning to the mire surely symbolize something very similar. By far the most natural way of interpreting this passage, then, is as a warning to genuine Christians against losing salvation.
I disagree with you on this, but to Piper it's a moot point because it goes against his systematic which requires "Perseverance of the Saints". I disagree with you because there is a lot of scriptural evidence that one cannot lose their salvation, and most or all of the scriptures that suggest that one can are subject to interpretation, like this passage here. For example, it's very easy to read it as: when the believer returns to the sin he had in his unbelief, his sin is even worse than it ever was before." Who's to say which interpretation is right? The rest of scripture, I think, gives strong arguments against your position. It also gives good arguments against what Piper is saying, to be fair.
@@josephbrandenburg4373 A couple of points: (1) Personally, I am very unsure whether it is possible for a genuine, born-of-the-Spirit believer to fall away from the faith and lose their salvation. I wasn't actually arguing from this passage that it is possible. I was just arguing that this passage is a warning against losing salvation. There are more than a few Calvinists, such as Thomas Schreiner and Ardel Caneday, who would agree with me that passages like this one are genuine warnings against losing salvation. They argue that it is not possible for born-again Christians to lose salvation. But they argue too that God uses these passages as a means to keep his children in the faith. Thus, paradoxically in this theory, the Bible contains warnings against doing something that it isn't possible to do. (2) Your interpretation fits very poorly with the text. Peter doesn't say that the people in question's sin will be worse than it was before. He says that it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than to know it and then fall away. Someone who has never known the way of righteousness has clearly never heard the gospel and is therefore unsaved and on track for hell. So the people in question are viewed as ending up with even more punishment than those who have never heard the gospel and end up in hell. (Scripture makes it clear that punishments in hell will vary in intensity depending on the person.) So this passage is a clear warning against falling away from the faith and losing salvation. But, as I noted in my first point, this doesn't prove that it is actually possible to do this.
@@ChristianJune32002 We get baptized out of obedience and we want to because it is a testimony of the work of faith that has taken place on the inside. If someone cannot be baptized for some reason I don't believe it effects their salvation.
The lord will never tempt you. That is the devil. Admit your weakness and how much you need Jesus Christ's intervention and call out to Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit
I still don’t comprehend: if God assures our salvation, how can one shipwreck? Unless God Himself brings them to repentance sooner or later i.e. they come back to God. Thanks to anyone who can elaborate.
This world is a horrible place! I don't know of a time in history it has been this evil. I believe in Jesus and know he died for my sins, but I am afraid that is not enough. I am angry and feel like I am sliding every day.
@@ChristianJune32002 I'm guessing I'm not the one you're asking but I'll try and answer nonetheless. Baptism with water is a symbol of salvation and a command from the Lord in the Great Commission (Matt 28). Salvation does not require baptism but obedience to the Lord does. Obedience is evidence of salvation.
@@myyoutubeaccount12111 Acts 2:38 says, “Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” Acts 2:38 shows that salvation requires baptism with water.
We know we are saved by faith...but one reason why people shipwreck is too much teaching and preaching how and what should be which makes christian too much expectations....Romans 8:1...Amen
People don't shipwreck their faith. They are liberated from it. Any notion that the Bible, the foundation of Christian faith, is the inspired word of God is easily dispelled by reading it.
@@ChristianJune32002 no because there was 2 thief’s next or Jesus 1 repented and told Jesus “remember me when you come into your kingdom” Jesus said “I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise” that thief got saved went to heaven he didnt have time to get baptized. Now if you alive today and you accept Jesus as your lord and savior you get baptized in front of people in public cause Jesus died in public for our sins.
@@Good-ke5tk The Penitent Thief was saved before the new covenant started. So the Penitent Thief’s salvation didn’t require baptism with water. Acts 2:38: “Peter replied, ‘All of you must turn away from your sins and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then your sins will be forgiven. You will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.’” Acts 2:38 shows that salvation requires baptism with water.
@@ChristianJune32002 who says Jesus didnt have authority over that? You dont know God. He said “today you will be with me in paradise” he didnt say “tomorrow”
@@Good-ke5tk Like I said. The Penitent Thief was saved before the new covenant started. Baptism with water is a part of the new covenant. That’s why he didn’t have to be baptized with water to be saved.
The logical conclusion of this teaching is: you can have no assurance of salvation. What he's saying is that God has sovereignly ordained that some people will have all the outward (and inward) testimony of being saved, but not be saved because they were rejected since before the creation of the world, so they end up choosing to quit believing, but believing didn't save them in the first place or work in them any kind of correction of their evil desires... but salvation is by faith, not works, but you can lose a salvation you never had if you love evil... You're twisting yourself in knots, Piper! Your theology doesn't make sense!
@@ChristianJune32002 We have been saved. We are being saved. And we will be saved. Do you mean 'Does being justifed require being baptized with water?' - No. We have been justified by His grace through faith in Christ. (Ephesians 2:8, 1 Corinthians 1:18, Romans 13:11, Romans 3:24, Titus 3:7, Romans 5:1) But faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead - Water baptism in an expression of faith and an exercise of obedience. (James 2:17, Colossians 2:12,Matthew 28:19)
It may not make any sense, but this is my opinion, and also forgive me if you this offensive since it is far from my intention. First thing first, there is too much pain, negativity and suffering going on in the world especially in certain areas of the world such as third world countries, lives of homeless people ans so forth, and I think a concept that matters here would be the improvement of their lives and not any spiritual dimension: whenever you have difficulty getting the basics of life, spiritual dimensions would not mean anything important to you. Secondly, I feel like our world, in case it is the creation of a god, is very very defected. Injustice, natural disease, murder, deformities and etc. But you barely ( maybe one out of thousand cases ) do you see something positive happen. In case if everything all Christians and Muslims say about God and World is true, we will, in the end, go back to God willingly or unwillingly. Maybe, I hate God and don't want him. Maybe, I don't really want to be his creation. Given the fact that none of us had any right to come to this world or not, I do not think he is fair and thus not a God.
"Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me. Would you discredit my justice? Would you condemn me to justify yourself? Do you have an arm like God's, and can your voice thunder like his? Then adorn yourself with glory and splendor, and clothe yourself in honor and majesty. Unleash the fury of your wrath, look at all who are proud and bring them low, look at all who are proud and humble them, crush the wicked where they stand. Bury them all in the dust together; shroud their faces in the grave. Then I myself will admit to you that your own right hand can save you." -God (Job 40:7-14)
To a large degree this also has to do with the fact that, it is very easy and common to associate our faith with our surroundings and occurrences.. when life is easy it's easy to give praise and when life is difficult it's easy to question if God cares and ultimately loose faith...
@@ipelengkhule9263 with all due respect, that is absoluely not me. I have learned ( to a great extent ) not to ask for God's help but to look for a solution. You are coming from a religious point of view and I am not.
I'm so sorry for the pain you have obviously experienced in life. I too have suffered and will probably continue as I am physically and permanently sick. However, sickness , suffering, and death is a part of life. Likewise, injustice and an imperfect world. The world and the human condition is this way because we have all fallen from God's standard. This fall from God's grace started with Adam and will continue until Christs second coming. This condition can't be overcome by our own self will and effort. That's not to say that we shouldn't try. However, we will always come up short. Christs crucifixion and resurrection restores us to God if we appropriate it by faith , but the world is still a fallen world. So these hurtful conditions and injustices will remain. The need for justice is a necessity but the need for mercy and grace can be greater! I hope this softens your heart towards God a little. As a Christian my life is suppose to point to the mercy and grace God has provided in Jesus Christ.
@Damon H more or less I agree with you damon. But the creation is defected really. And no human had any idea as to how the world would be once we stepped in it.
@@charlesadam2946 Acts 2:38: “And Peter said to them, Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” Acts 2:38 proves that salvation requires baptism with water.
@@ChristianJune32002 Yeah, so if I'm stranded in the desert and I'm dying, and want salvation. What do I gotta do? Dig a hole 30-50 feet down and baptize myself in physical water? Otherwise God won't save me? Water baptism is merely an outward display of the spiritual. Born again.
@@charlesadam2946 All I can tell you is what the Bible says and it most definitely does not say that baptism with water is “an outward display of the spiritual.” Acts 2:38: “And Peter said to them, Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” Acts 2:38 proves that salvation requires baptism with water.
Christianity is not in the way, Piper. It is your DEFINITION of Christianity that is simply wrong at best, and Satanic at worse. Imagine a God who is so petty that he pays more attention to how the media portrays boast-sin (purported) in ONE MAN than He cares about the lives of millions of children. It is no wonder Abraham has left the faith. He mistook the Christianity as portrayed by his father for the real thing. (And then Piper goes on to accuse anyone who disagrees with him as “presumptuous”. All with a soft, whimpering voice. Passive aggressive much?)
@@klgm63 he's commented a few hundred times on these videos. Basically, Hank is still upset about an article John Piper wrote several years ago where he said (acurate) things about Trump's character. Seems like he can't get over it and move on like everyone else. Hank blames John Piper for Trump losing the election.
"The rocks on which they shipwreck are not an intellectual problem, or issues of reasoning. They are a problem of the preferences for sin."
So true, the reason for any shipwreck is chosing desire over intellectual and rational thinking. If it involves rationalistic thinking, none will have shiperecked their faith, rather they will like to made a beautiful presentation of their intellectual knowledge of the Bible and their never bending faith on the God
It's been said that sin is an archery term, meaning to miss the mark... I definitely don't prefer to miss the mark, I just can't aim well enough to hit the bullseye, apparently! 🤦😤
Does being saved require being baptized with water?
Yes let's pray for one another to delight in the way of holiness 🙏🙏🙏🙏
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@@ChristianJune32002 hi Benjamin. I honestly can't believe you shame that you are still here with that question. Have a blessed day
I struggle with this too. I hear. I know God is real. I even experienced a demon. I know God is here. I still sin and choose one sin in particular. I for some reason cannot let it go.
Love Jesus more than your sin, sister. God bless you and i pray for your strength
Keep praying and seek God like treasure. I struggled with a sin for many years and would fall into it frequently. I hated my sin and hated myself everytime I sinned, and pleaded for years with God to help me stop. Years later and I do not fall into it anymore by the grace of God. Pursuing Christ and focusing on who he is was what I was lacking all those years. I no longer feel those past desires, as I know it dishonors God my father whom I love. "If you love me, you will keep my commandments"
Sin is transgression of God's law/ commandments.
They make bad decisions.
all Christians have the same problem. but remember that God has saved you if you truly believe with all your heart ( The Gospel ) and what he has started He will finish and NOTHING can snatch us from His hand. God loves us because of His son Jesus not because of what we do. Romans 8:38-39 38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers,
39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
We sin, We confess, Jesus forgives. This will continue throughout our entire life. Eventually we will sin less. The Spirit is willing but the Flesh is weak.
Continue to HATE your sin and LOVE righteousness. We will overcome by the Power of the Holy Spirit
Wow this was so powerful. 🔥
In the end it's a love for sin and other things that keep us from making the journey heaven ward . God help us to truly love what is good and to Hate what is evil and grant us the wisdom to discern the two. 🙏
Do people have to be baptized with water to be saved?
Tracey Burroughs from South Africa 🇿🇦 listening to this episode. Thank you for another good episode.
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Just what i neededto hear.... Thank you Lord for bringing me here.
Does being saved require being baptized with water?
@@ChristianJune32002 No you first get baptized by the Holy Spirit when you accept him in your life and eventually after showing actions of true repentance you may get baptized by water.
Lord gaurd me from pride and despair and unbelief.
Thank you for this Pastor John. I still struggle in my heart with those who have fallen away because of intellectual and what they deem as historical inaccuracies as their reason for falling away. I couldn't find a good example of a person falling away because of this reason. Wrestling with a brother in the faith(Phanatik) who's ministry has been one of a few that affected me tremendously for the sake of Christ. As mentioned by brother, Tony at the end sums up how I and I'm sure many others, feel. God bless you.
Pray for unspoken brothers and sisters, thank you dear heart- Joyce, sams daughter.
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John Piper makes a good point that so often when people abandon the faith, it is not because of intellectual problems but because they don't want to keep resisting sin.
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Praise GOD for you sirs, Pastor John and the moderator! Very accurate and indepth analysis of the topic!
Does being saved require being baptized with water?
@@ChristianJune32002 Yes. John chapter 3 states that. One has to be baptized in water in the HOLY SPIRIT, for one to see the kingdom of GOD. I also need to be baptized, I need help with that.
Help with being baptized in water and in the HOLY SPIRIT I mean
One thing I have realized from my own experience is that the reason that used to stop me from sinning is fear of people's judgements and not my love for God.
That tactic eventually doesn't work because it leads to our love for God growing cold (Matthew 24:12).
So us who are standing on God,let's take heed least we fall (1 Corinthians 10:12).
Religion is only a stepping stone or a stumbling block; but definitely not an end in itself.
Ironically, we glibly say that "the kingdom of God is within ourselves" and still look for Him in scriptures and so-called "holy" buildings/places.
Does being saved require being baptized with water?
Let’s pray each other, for God is trusted to us . Gracious and merciful God. People have to know his grace to stand strong. Very important question, to stand on the faith.
Three layers of faith.
1) upper layer. Called but love richness
2) middle layer. Called but love world
3) core layer . Electeds faith. Love God and his holiness. We are from the elected in Christ, let’s delight in holiness of God.
Does being saved require being baptized with water?
Thank you for explaining this it helps with application of the word.
Does being saved require being baptized with water?
I wonder if this is why the prayer in Ephesians 3 matters so much...If we are not rooted and grounded in love, we are as those mentioned on Mark 4 without a root...I realised the connection between what the Lord said about falling away and having an encounter with His love! It's profound! And if we continue in His Word we know that's how we're set free!
Do people have to be baptized with water to be saved?
I would encourage you to read 1 Peter 3- it's more about having a clear conscience than being the actual thing that saves.
@@jkkroch Acts 2:38: “And Peter said to them, Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” Acts 2:38 proves that salvation requires baptism with water.
Hey man. Completely understand your thinking. However as I looked more deeply into commentaries around this passage, the receiving the HS is in concurrence with believing. Truly saved people will want to abide, so I don't think it's worth arguing over and I therefore do of course agree that we should obey this scripture. But I guess I always go back to what ephesians says about being saved by GRACE through faith. Our faith can of course be shown by our works like James mentions, but it's not a free gift if we have to work for it. Hope that helps.
Let me tell you about my shipwreck... Life in essence began to become disappointing... the goals I had set myself and meditated upon seemed to get out of reach... and in a slow and progressive manner my meditation on God's word and prayer started to decline... To the point I only prayed for food... And ultimately... I just became silent...
Does being saved require being baptized with water?
@@ChristianJune32002 Hello, Benjamin! No you are not required to be baptized to be saved, at least not with water. You must first be baptized with the Holy Spirit--meaning if you recieve Christ in your heart, believe in Him, love Him, follow Him and experience His forgiveness you're saved! Baptism by water is only a representation of our partaking in Christ's suffering (being immersed in the water) and in His Glory (raised from water.)
Oh, shoot. Sorry to hear that.
Unfortunately can relate alot with your story, how are you today?
help us to stay faithful Lord we are not faithful but you are help us to be like you
2 Timothy 2:11-13
This is a faithful saying:
For if we died with Him,
We shall also live with Him.
If we endure,
We shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him,
He also will deny us.
If we are faithless,
He remains faithful;
He cannot deny Himself.
2 Timothy 2:19-26
Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”
But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some for honor and some for dishonor.
Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work.
Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife.
And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient,
in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,
and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
Does being saved require being baptized with water?
In 1 Tim 1:20 Paul says:
'Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have delivered to Satan, so that they may be taught not to blaspheme'.
Paul's reference here to them being taught not to blaspheme suggests that Paul had hopes that they would repent and get onto the straight and narrow path.
@Max Aplin, Amen.
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This is for anyone who reads this I recently mess up in life that almost got me in jail and I quit my job life can be chaotic internal and external I need someone to prey for me
Do people have to be baptized with water to be saved?
Amén 🙏 ❤
Does being saved require being baptized with water?
@@ChristianJune32002 What does the Bible say?
Could you pray for me? I’m feeling so indifferent towards God 😰
may the God who is faithful and true and always keeps his promises stoke the passions in your heart for him and nothing else may He be your joy in this life into the next and may the lies of this world no longer have a hold on you remember who you really are a beautiful daughter of the king and nothing less
Hey! i Hope you're doing better, had a similar experience.
2 Peter 2:20-22 says this:
'For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: "The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire." '
Escaping the defilements of the world through the knowledge of Christ here surely involves being genuinely saved. It is very difficult to believe that a superficial interest in the Christian faith that didn’t result in salvation would be described in this way. Similarly, the fact that the sow is said to have washed fits very poorly with the idea that the proverb is referring to a superficial faith that never involved forgiveness of sins.
So Peter is referring in these verses to people who have genuinely experienced salvation. And he says that their final condition is worse than their initial condition. This has to mean that things for them are worse than before they had the saving knowledge of Christ. So their last condition must involve being unsaved. The dog returning to its vomit and the sow returning to the mire surely symbolize something very similar.
By far the most natural way of interpreting this passage, then, is as a warning to genuine Christians against losing salvation.
I disagree with you on this, but to Piper it's a moot point because it goes against his systematic which requires "Perseverance of the Saints".
I disagree with you because there is a lot of scriptural evidence that one cannot lose their salvation, and most or all of the scriptures that suggest that one can are subject to interpretation, like this passage here. For example, it's very easy to read it as: when the believer returns to the sin he had in his unbelief, his sin is even worse than it ever was before." Who's to say which interpretation is right? The rest of scripture, I think, gives strong arguments against your position. It also gives good arguments against what Piper is saying, to be fair.
@@josephbrandenburg4373 A couple of points:
(1) Personally, I am very unsure whether it is possible for a genuine, born-of-the-Spirit believer to fall away from the faith and lose their salvation.
I wasn't actually arguing from this passage that it is possible. I was just arguing that this passage is a warning against losing salvation.
There are more than a few Calvinists, such as Thomas Schreiner and Ardel Caneday, who would agree with me that passages like this one are genuine warnings against losing salvation. They argue that it is not possible for born-again Christians to lose salvation. But they argue too that God uses these passages as a means to keep his children in the faith. Thus, paradoxically in this theory, the Bible contains warnings against doing something that it isn't possible to do.
(2) Your interpretation fits very poorly with the text. Peter doesn't say that the people in question's sin will be worse than it was before. He says that it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than to know it and then fall away.
Someone who has never known the way of righteousness has clearly never heard the gospel and is therefore unsaved and on track for hell. So the people in question are viewed as ending up with even more punishment than those who have never heard the gospel and end up in hell. (Scripture makes it clear that punishments in hell will vary in intensity depending on the person.)
So this passage is a clear warning against falling away from the faith and losing salvation. But, as I noted in my first point, this doesn't prove that it is actually possible to do this.
Does being saved require being baptized with water?
@@ChristianJune32002 We get baptized out of obedience and we want to because it is a testimony of the work of faith that has taken place on the inside. If someone cannot be baptized for some reason I don't believe it effects their salvation.
Me im trying get back feeling like im falling my heart is harden i don’t want fall away i don’t love the world but my sin is killing me
cry out to God and read His Word. Praying for you 🙏
The lord will never tempt you. That is the devil. Admit your weakness and how much you need Jesus Christ's intervention and call out to Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit
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I still don’t comprehend: if God assures our salvation, how can one shipwreck?
Unless God Himself brings them to repentance sooner or later i.e. they come back to God.
Thanks to anyone who can elaborate.
Do people have to be baptized with water to be saved?
No, you do comprehend it clearly. It's an obvious contradiction.
Is there a video if some of those who have shipwrecked their faith repent and come back and live a life reflecting saving faith?
This world is a horrible place! I don't know of a time in history it has been this evil. I believe in Jesus and know he died for my sins, but I am afraid that is not enough. I am angry and feel like I am sliding every day.
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Does being saved require being baptized with water?
That thumbnail is just beautiful. Great job to whoever made it.
Does being saved require being baptized with water?
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I'm guessing I'm not the one you're asking but I'll try and answer nonetheless.
Baptism with water is a symbol of salvation and a command from the Lord in the Great Commission (Matt 28). Salvation does not require baptism but obedience to the Lord does. Obedience is evidence of salvation.
@@myyoutubeaccount12111 Acts 2:38 says, “Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” Acts 2:38 shows that salvation requires baptism with water.
What should I do then？
Does being saved require being baptized with water?
You cant because it's not our Faith to begin with. It belongs to Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ gives it to us.
Does being saved require being baptized with water?
We know we are saved by faith...but one reason why people shipwreck is too much teaching and preaching how and what should be which makes christian too much expectations....Romans 8:1...Amen
Does being saved require being baptized with water?
People don't shipwreck their faith. They are liberated from it. Any notion that the Bible, the foundation of Christian faith, is the inspired word of God is easily dispelled by reading it.
Do people have to be baptized with water to be saved?
Answers to your question they abandon ship
Do people have to be baptized with water to be saved?
Jesus is the lifeguard boat once its shipwrecked Jesus comes back to save the captain
Does being saved require being baptized with water?
@@ChristianJune32002 no because there was 2 thief’s next or Jesus 1 repented and told Jesus “remember me when you come into your kingdom” Jesus said “I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise” that thief got saved went to heaven he didnt have time to get baptized. Now if you alive today and you accept Jesus as your lord and savior you get baptized in front of people in public cause Jesus died in public for our sins.
@@Good-ke5tk The Penitent Thief was saved before the new covenant started. So the Penitent Thief’s salvation didn’t require baptism with water. Acts 2:38: “Peter replied, ‘All of you must turn away from your sins and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then your sins will be forgiven. You will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.’” Acts 2:38 shows that salvation requires baptism with water.
@@ChristianJune32002 who says Jesus didnt have authority over that? You dont know God. He said “today you will be with me in paradise” he didnt say “tomorrow”
@@Good-ke5tk Like I said. The Penitent Thief was saved before the new covenant started. Baptism with water is a part of the new covenant. That’s why he didn’t have to be baptized with water to be saved.
The logical conclusion of this teaching is: you can have no assurance of salvation.
What he's saying is that God has sovereignly ordained that some people will have all the outward (and inward) testimony of being saved, but not be saved because they were rejected since before the creation of the world, so they end up choosing to quit believing, but believing didn't save them in the first place or work in them any kind of correction of their evil desires... but salvation is by faith, not works, but you can lose a salvation you never had if you love evil...
You're twisting yourself in knots, Piper! Your theology doesn't make sense!
Does being saved require being baptized with water?
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Does being saved require being baptized with water?
@@ChristianJune32002 We have been saved. We are being saved. And we will be saved. Do you mean 'Does being justifed require being baptized with water?' - No. We have been justified by His grace through faith in Christ. (Ephesians 2:8, 1 Corinthians 1:18, Romans 13:11, Romans 3:24, Titus 3:7, Romans 5:1)
But faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead - Water baptism in an expression of faith and an exercise of obedience. (James 2:17, Colossians 2:12,Matthew 28:19)
It may not make any sense, but this is my opinion, and also forgive me if you this offensive since it is far from my intention. First thing first, there is too much pain, negativity and suffering going on in the world especially in certain areas of the world such as third world countries, lives of homeless people ans so forth, and I think a concept that matters here would be the improvement of their lives and not any spiritual dimension: whenever you have difficulty getting the basics of life, spiritual dimensions would not mean anything important to you.
Secondly, I feel like our world, in case it is the creation of a god, is very very defected. Injustice, natural disease, murder, deformities and etc. But you barely ( maybe one out of thousand cases ) do you see something positive happen.
In case if everything all Christians and Muslims say about God and World is true, we will, in the end, go back to God willingly or unwillingly.
Maybe, I hate God and don't want him. Maybe, I don't really want to be his creation.
Given the fact that none of us had any right to come to this world or not, I do not think he is fair and thus not a God.
"Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
Would you discredit my justice?
Would you condemn me to justify yourself?
Do you have an arm like God's,
and can your voice thunder like his?
Then adorn yourself with glory and splendor,
and clothe yourself in honor and majesty.
Unleash the fury of your wrath,
look at all who are proud and bring them low,
look at all who are proud and humble them,
crush the wicked where they stand.
Bury them all in the dust together;
shroud their faces in the grave.
Then I myself will admit to you
that your own right hand can save you."
-God (Job 40:7-14)
To a large degree this also has to do with the fact that, it is very easy and common to associate our faith with our surroundings and occurrences.. when life is easy it's easy to give praise and when life is difficult it's easy to question if God cares and ultimately loose faith...
@@ipelengkhule9263 with all due respect, that is absoluely not me. I have learned ( to a great extent ) not to ask for God's help but to look for a solution. You are coming from a religious point of view and I am not.
I'm so sorry for the pain you have obviously experienced in life. I too have suffered and will probably continue as I am physically and permanently sick. However, sickness , suffering, and death is a part of life. Likewise, injustice and an imperfect world. The world and the human condition is this way because we have all fallen from God's standard. This fall from God's grace started with Adam and will continue until Christs second coming. This condition can't be overcome by our own self will and effort. That's not to say that we shouldn't try. However, we will always come up short. Christs crucifixion and resurrection restores us to God if we appropriate it by faith , but the world is still a fallen world. So these hurtful conditions and injustices will remain. The need for justice is a necessity but the need for mercy and grace can be greater! I hope this softens your heart towards God a little. As a Christian my life is suppose to point to the mercy and grace God has provided in Jesus Christ.
@Damon H more or less I agree with you damon. But the creation is defected really. And no human had any idea as to how the world would be once we stepped in it.
God made them do it.
Does being saved require being baptized with water?
@@ChristianJune32002 no
@@charlesadam2946 Acts 2:38: “And Peter said to them, Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” Acts 2:38 proves that salvation requires baptism with water.
@@ChristianJune32002 Yeah, so if I'm stranded in the desert and I'm dying, and want salvation. What do I gotta do? Dig a hole 30-50 feet down and baptize myself in physical water? Otherwise God won't save me? Water baptism is merely an outward display of the spiritual. Born again.
@@charlesadam2946 All I can tell you is what the Bible says and it most definitely does not say that baptism with water is “an outward display of the spiritual.” Acts 2:38: “And Peter said to them, Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” Acts 2:38 proves that salvation requires baptism with water.
Christianity is not in the way, Piper. It is your DEFINITION of Christianity that is simply wrong at best, and Satanic at worse. Imagine a God who is so petty that he pays more attention to how the media portrays boast-sin (purported) in ONE MAN than He cares about the lives of millions of children. It is no wonder Abraham has left the faith. He mistook the Christianity as portrayed by his father for the real thing. (And then Piper goes on to accuse anyone who disagrees with him as “presumptuous”. All with a soft, whimpering voice. Passive aggressive much?)
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Trumpism isn't the way Hank.
@@HearGodsWord I didn't read anywhere in his comment that he mentioned Trump. Did I miss something?
@@klgm63 he's commented a few hundred times on these videos. Basically, Hank is still upset about an article John Piper wrote several years ago where he said (acurate) things about Trump's character. Seems like he can't get over it and move on like everyone else. Hank blames John Piper for Trump losing the election.
Does being saved require being baptized with water?