I love how easily their argument fell apart in court. They essentially had to argue that players should not be allowed to consider the information revealed to them during the course of play. That's like arguing a poker player shouldn't be allowed to consider the hands of other players in their bets.
@@Camdennnn Right, they can _guess_ what their opponent has, but in poker, you see very little of the deck. Poker is more a game of skill than luck. You don't play the cards, you play the other players. Do I have a good hand, or have I made you _think_ I have a good hand. (Texas Hold'em is not the only way poker is played.)
It is crazy that lawyers would argue that card counting is illegal. It would be like arguing that lawyers are not allowed to use their experience to argue a case. Unfortunately the question is of no value today as casino have implemented counter measures like multiple decks and frequent shoe replacement.
"Unfortunately the question is of no value today as casino have implemented counter measures like multiple decks and frequent shoe replacement." Personally I am ok with the measures you mentioned, as it affects ALL players equally. What I think is 100% BS is that casinos are allowed to ban players that know how to win. I understand it being private property and all, but I am sure there are legal ways to keep casino private property yet prevent them from trespassing people just for winning. I am no legal expert by any means, but I am pretty sure that legally a private casino (or any other business) can't refuse service to all latinos, or all asians even though it is private property, but in our private homes we can openly refuse entrance to all latinos, or all asians, or whatever.
@@JimboSlice-t5i As it stands, you are correct. Casinos in USA are allowed to kick those who win too much out of the property. My argument is that it should be changed. Gaming commission could make a rule that if a business wants to offer gambling on their private property, they CAN'T ban people just because they win too much. Was watching non related casino videos, and seem in Europe, at least in England a casino can't just ban you for winning too much.
@@CancunManny you're half correct. in almost all states in the US casinos can throw you out for counting cards, except for in new jersey. however as far as i know they can still restrict you to a flat bet once they realize you're counting, which kinda defeats the point, but at least they can't throw you out or ban you from the tables completely
@@oventree Nice to hear that at least in NJ they try to use a bit more common sense. As far as I know, if they use multiple decks and they shuffle before half the deck is dealt it makes card counting pretty much useless. That would be a better solution than a flat bet. Besides counting cards, I think most casinos in USA can kick you out for no reason, hence if you are winning too much and they don't know how, they can still ask you to stop playing or to leave the property all together.
The biggest crime is that the casinos can legally have an advantage towards themselves but as soon as someone swings that advantage they cry poor and can kick them out or ban them entirely. They also target intoxicated patrons and as long as they are losing they let them keep losing, as soon as they start to win it’s “oh sorry sir/madam but you’re intoxicated, you’ll need to leave”.
exactly... they don't care if a gambling addict might not be able to pay his mortgage that month. Even a bar has the sense to cut someone off if they feel he's too drunk or has a drinking problem. It's also beyond fucked up that states have lotteries. The Government knowingly swindling people out of their money... and a game that attracts people of lower income with dreams of becoming rich. Absolutely mind boggling more people aren't infuriated with that. And the irony is gambling is ILLEGAL in most states. I guess unless you're the government.
@@xavierb9061 yeah then tell them they are no longer allowed to play if they start taking too much money from the house….. happy to take money off people but don’t like it when people take money from them…..
Casinos only still offer blackjack, because it is still overall profitable to the casino. Also most blackjack now, has a higher house edge (certain rules), where card counting doesn't make it profitable for the player. So if you pick a random casino without any attention paid to the rules and card count perfectly forever, you could still have less than 50% odds and always bleed money.
Blackjack now has a higher house edge because they have card sorting machines and old people don't understand that randomness in technology doesn't exist because code only does what you tell it to and cannot make any decisions for itself. Steve jobs did a whole speech about the perception of randomness in coding and technology, using the iPod shuffle as his example. The card sorting machines should be illegal. Make the dealers shuffle the decks.
@@Paedrick It's not because of card shuffling machines, it has something to do with the payout for getting a blackjack and maybe some other things, I'm not an expert because I don't even know basic strategy and I only vaguely remember this stuff. A game that uses a machine that shuffles after every hand, could just be replaced with a digital/videogame blackjack game.
Back in the early 2000s, when online gambling first began, the systems weren't very advanced and couldn't adapt to a player's style. I observed that at several casinos, the lowest bets would almost always win. Over two years, I made a few thousand dollars from this. Unfortunately, I soon noticed that the systems had changed.
I love the content been here since the third video but if i may i would like to suggest you that you shouldn't only be focused on casino winners but also money related big hits like heists as well
@@TILT223I second this. You guys have made very high quality, entertaining videos on the casino niche and I wouldn’t quit focusing on that, but your well produced video making style would translate very well to other related topics like E.A.00 said. I was even thinking this in my head, but didn’t think to comment until reading their comment since I don’t normally leave comments. Keep up the great work!
I would watch anything that you make if it is similar in quality to the videos that you have been making. I am not particularly interested in gambling, but have loved every video you have made.
Casinos don't like to lose. And sometimes, they will not lose. My husband was in Las Vegas in the nineties , and playing blackjack . He was trying a new staking system that, in practice , was winning alot of money , and consistently. The system had a strategy in which the player writes down his bets, for himself to keep track. Even though , at the time , he was playing with only red chips ($5) and started off with only about $60, he had grown his stake to over $350 in less than an hour. The casino management noticed and weren't pleased. When he increased his unit chip to $25, they stepped in and barred him from the table, even through all the tables were very busy and the table he was at a table that had changed players twice. They were running scared. The same thing happened when he went to the baccarat tables, except he made alot more money.
@@kkkkkkkemstar Maybe luck, maybe an actual system, the main issue is that if he was barred is because the casino couldn't prove he was cheating. Casinos shouldn't have the right to ban someone just because they win too much and too often, just like they are not allowed to ban all mexicans, or all chinese, or all gays, etc.
Fake, they aren't going to trip over 350 it's all about dollars, now say he won over 10000 multiple days or 80000 in the span of a few months then they would back him off
@@PaulKloos-m6b🤦🏼♂️ it’s a human not a robot. How are you going to pretend you know what every single person in charge of kicking out winners has ever done?
NJ can't throw you out now, but it's meaningless; their games suck, it's a dangerous area and they can simply make the games worse (they can flat bet a player which is just as bad as kicking them out.) Vegas is actually better, they rarely bar players but most of the games suck. All you have to do is cut off 2 decks from an 8 deck shoe and you're risking thousands to win min wage (casino makes almost as much as normal, losing pennies for switching machine shuffled shoes.) The real advantage play being done is computers posing as people on poker sites, as long as they don't play an inhuman amount of poker it's hard to be sure and they won't kick them out unless they're sure. A guy got kicked out, but he had to admit it to get kicked out. At micro stakes, if you had enough bots you could make money; but imagine someone going from low stakes to higher and higher with a top level program (not a cheap bot.) Top players could beat it, but eventually even they'd be losing money to it; assuming it doesn't beat them to start. Personally, I never sought to 'take them down' when I played seeking advantage (though it's also not unethical to do so, as casinos take a lot from those with little); but I do think it's wrong to seek to gain unreasonable advantage over individuals.
Vegas does indeed blacklist counters. While there are ways to even the odds, casinos don't want even odds; they like having a significant advantage. (shuffling the deck effectively kills any counting, but it takes time.) I had a coworker who was "asked" to stop playing because he was counting. He wasn't mistreated, or thrown out, just prohibited from playing blackjack. Counting isn't difficult, esp. for someone who deals with lots of numbers professionally.
but with online casinos, they make it so hard to get your money back out. you have to dox yourself. pics front/back of your cc, utility bill, ID, ssn, amount you have to play thru(~250%)... they wouldn't let me get $400 in slots wins I got from entirely free spins, I could only piss it away over a month trying to get to the the playthrough limit
Casinos: You can change your bets at the table, but we may ban you. You can talk to other players, but we can ban you. You can look at the cards, but we can ban you. No. Either it's allowed for everyone or it's allowed for no one. They should not have the right to ban you because you are too good at the rules they setup. If you don't want people changing bets mid round, have a specific, defined rule for that, etc.
The movie is about using math and numbers to win over spending many millions on PLAYERS, when the game is all about runs. Math over human perception. I'm sure that you know this, though. I'm sorry. I love gambling and baseball. Lol
Hey bro, love your content! Just wanted to know if you’re looking for a partner for this channel, someone to buy in and partner on editing and scripts etc, lmk?
@@TILT223 honestly I think I can provide significant value to your viewers and I can bring something extra to the table, let me know how I should get in touch?
The casinos set themselves up for this. Wherever you hear the term "flow of cards" it refers to the sequence of cards in a stacked deck and casino personnel often refer to the disruption of the "flow of cards" by card counters. They stack the decks because it's the only way to set up a winning seat (and a reason for others to lose their money) at every table. The thing to remember is that Blackjack is a game of memory. The point is to remember every card that's been dealt and, on top of that, maintain an awareness of the remaining cards and their odds of being dealt. Blackjack, played according to the actual rules of the game (as found in any book on cardgames, not the various casino "rules") is good preparation for more sophisticate cardgames such as Gin/Conga and Bridge. However, what happens when card counters enter the casino blackjack game is that you now have a witness to the presence of 8 aces of spades in a six deck shoe. There are legal implications which are bigger than having a winner at the table (which you need in order to keep the table full and the money flowing from the other five or seven players).
👍 @@briandraper7630 That's an elegant system too - the one you're talking about. However, one of my mates at uni would memorise the cards in other games - for fun. I reckon he'd have been a terror at Blackjack if the odds weren't stacked so heavily against players.
I'm not sure I want to risk getting beaten up or death to earn a living. Whilst the amount of winnings seems impressive, if it was calculated on an hourly rate, it probably amounts to each person in the team earning the minimum wage. And if winnings are taxable in the US, then it's an extremely boring way to earn a living. There are other forms of gambling that are more lucrative and less time consuming, such as parlaying on fixed odds sports.
@@TILT223 My point is that the edge with card counting is so small, that you could get similar results with disciplined betting on fixed odds sports, particularly with betting agencies offering bonus bets and odds boosts. Not sure about other countries, but in Australia I haven't heard of betting agencies banning customers for taking short odds parlays on sports bets. And winnings aren't taxable.
While counting cards is just "skilled play", _communicating_ that count to others is cheating. That's "signalling", and is absolutely illegal. They weren't arrested for counting, but for the signalling. Their lawyers were apparently too lazy to bring that up.
Players are allowed to talk at the table and communicate, some give eachother tips - that's not illegal? Its quite funny becasue the casino only call it foul play when the tips are good. If it a dummy loser dishing them out they're more than happy to let it happen. Perhaps if they want to call it illegal, they should refund every player that ever acted on bad advice given by someone else at the table. Reasonable right?
@@TILT223 General banter, and even "tips" on how to play are legal. But "signalling" is a form of cooperative play, and thus cheating. I can't sit at the table calling out the count, for example. If you sit there constantly telling others how to play, you're going to be removed.
@@jfbeamby that logic, dealers who say the number of the cards the player has so that the player doesn't have to count, would be signaling. The dealer is relaying information to the player that he COULD have if he did the math himself, but doesn't have if he plays mindlessly like the casino wants. That exact description also fits saying the count out loud, which is readily available to anyone who has bothered to pay attention enough to have that information
Honestly, if there's going to be a law on the books defending counters, it should be that any casino that deems someone's play as "too good for them" should be required to give that person unlimited room, food, and beverage comps FOR LIFE. They should effectively be able to live at that establishment and not pay a penny for the rest of their days. Make it prohibitively expensive to bar a counter. Alternatively, a law package that prohibits backoffs, tresspassing, preferential shuffling, restricting the bet limits beyond what is posted at the table, as well as 6:5 blackjack, dealers hitting on soft 17, removing the surrender option, limiting double down and splits at all (including Aces)...force the casinos to deal a fair game to all patrons and accept they're going to lose to counters over the long term. The only protection the casino should have is maximum daily win limits per patron that should be in the mid five figure range.
Card counting is like athletes who take steroids. It's cheating. Card counting would be legal if everybody did it. But enhanced gamblers don't have a right to play with disadvantaged players.
I never understand why people think that casinos should be forced to allow counters to keep playing. Gambling is a MUTUALLY agreed upon contract. Just as casinos can't FORCE you to keep playing when you don't want to, you can't force them to continue gambling with you.
Literally no other game, sport, or business model penalizes you (or attempts to criminalize you) for simply using your brain and being good at the game they are offering. Can you imagine if Nintendo did that? Or the NBA? Or the SAT/ACT?
American Idol, but you can never have had a singing coach. Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader? You can't have completed 5th grade. American Ninja Warrior. You can't be athletic. America's Got Talent. You can't have previously trained. Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? Not if you have a diploma or GED. The Olympics shouldn't be for anyone holding a record or championship.
@@Jayro951 Again little boy...you do realize that those shows have the ability to not let you compete, right? Not that your analogy makes any sense anyway. You are not competing against the show. You DO realize that, right?
Pretty sure working as a team actually isn’t, you’re allowed to talk to the other players at tables, so its not like their doing anything wrong, even it they’re speaking in code
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I love how easily their argument fell apart in court. They essentially had to argue that players should not be allowed to consider the information revealed to them during the course of play. That's like arguing a poker player shouldn't be allowed to consider the hands of other players in their bets.
It's a fair point! They literally want it all their own way.
Except poker players _DON'T_ know their opponents hands.
@@jfbeamwhat he’s trying to say is that they can use their hand and the cards on the table plus the opponents bets to assign a range to their opponent
@@Camdennnn Right, they can _guess_ what their opponent has, but in poker, you see very little of the deck. Poker is more a game of skill than luck. You don't play the cards, you play the other players. Do I have a good hand, or have I made you _think_ I have a good hand. (Texas Hold'em is not the only way poker is played.)
@@jfbeam I know. What the original comment was saying is you can’t ban them from taking in that info and using it to their sdvamtage
It is crazy that lawyers would argue that card counting is illegal. It would be like arguing that lawyers are not allowed to use their experience to argue a case.
Unfortunately the question is of no value today as casino have implemented counter measures like multiple decks and frequent shoe replacement.
"Unfortunately the question is of no value today as casino have implemented counter measures like multiple decks and frequent shoe replacement." Personally I am ok with the measures you mentioned, as it affects ALL players equally. What I think is 100% BS is that casinos are allowed to ban players that know how to win.
I understand it being private property and all, but I am sure there are legal ways to keep casino private property yet prevent them from trespassing people just for winning. I am no legal expert by any means, but I am pretty sure that legally a private casino (or any other business) can't refuse service to all latinos, or all asians even though it is private property, but in our private homes we can openly refuse entrance to all latinos, or all asians, or whatever.
@@CancunMannyNo.
You can be asked to leave any private property for any reason that's not blatant discrimination.
@@JimboSlice-t5i As it stands, you are correct. Casinos in USA are allowed to kick those who win too much out of the property. My argument is that it should be changed. Gaming commission could make a rule that if a business wants to offer gambling on their private property, they CAN'T ban people just because they win too much.
Was watching non related casino videos, and seem in Europe, at least in England a casino can't just ban you for winning too much.
@@CancunManny you're half correct. in almost all states in the US casinos can throw you out for counting cards, except for in new jersey. however as far as i know they can still restrict you to a flat bet once they realize you're counting, which kinda defeats the point, but at least they can't throw you out or ban you from the tables completely
@@oventree Nice to hear that at least in NJ they try to use a bit more common sense. As far as I know, if they use multiple decks and they shuffle before half the deck is dealt it makes card counting pretty much useless. That would be a better solution than a flat bet.
Besides counting cards, I think most casinos in USA can kick you out for no reason, hence if you are winning too much and they don't know how, they can still ask you to stop playing or to leave the property all together.
The biggest crime is that the casinos can legally have an advantage towards themselves but as soon as someone swings that advantage they cry poor and can kick them out or ban them entirely. They also target intoxicated patrons and as long as they are losing they let them keep losing, as soon as they start to win it’s “oh sorry sir/madam but you’re intoxicated, you’ll need to leave”.
Yep, not to mention targeting people with a problem.
exactly... they don't care if a gambling addict might not be able to pay his mortgage that month. Even a bar has the sense to cut someone off if they feel he's too drunk or has a drinking problem. It's also beyond fucked up that states have lotteries. The Government knowingly swindling people out of their money... and a game that attracts people of lower income with dreams of becoming rich. Absolutely mind boggling more people aren't infuriated with that. And the irony is gambling is ILLEGAL in most states. I guess unless you're the government.
No thats fair. They running 24/7 business that gambler can join at anytime to try cash in
@@xavierb9061 yeah then tell them they are no longer allowed to play if they start taking too much money from the house….. happy to take money off people but don’t like it when people take money from them…..
@@matthewbeaton7762 running business, if player can keep winning you just paying employees and costs to give player $$. 24/7
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Thanks you're too kind. Trying out hardest to create the best videos right now. Welcome your suggestions:)
his accent is a little difficult to follow.
Casinos only still offer blackjack, because it is still overall profitable to the casino.
Also most blackjack now, has a higher house edge (certain rules), where card counting doesn't make it profitable for the player.
So if you pick a random casino without any attention paid to the rules and card count perfectly forever, you could still have less than 50% odds and always bleed money.
Blackjack now has a higher house edge because they have card sorting machines and old people don't understand that randomness in technology doesn't exist because code only does what you tell it to and cannot make any decisions for itself. Steve jobs did a whole speech about the perception of randomness in coding and technology, using the iPod shuffle as his example.
The card sorting machines should be illegal. Make the dealers shuffle the decks.
@@Paedrick It's not because of card shuffling machines, it has something to do with the payout for getting a blackjack and maybe some other things, I'm not an expert because I don't even know basic strategy and I only vaguely remember this stuff.
A game that uses a machine that shuffles after every hand, could just be replaced with a digital/videogame blackjack game.
@@PaedrickThey shuffle by hand first before putting the cards in the card shuffler at least where I play.
@@UnseemlyGenie00doesn’t matter. The electronic shuffler can unshuffle and human shuffled deck in seconds.
@@ClipsCrazy__ not when they have you cut the cards after each shoe conspiracy theorist
Back in the early 2000s, when online gambling first began, the systems weren't very advanced and couldn't adapt to a player's style. I observed that at several casinos, the lowest bets would almost always win. Over two years, I made a few thousand dollars from this. Unfortunately, I soon noticed that the systems had changed.
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Being good at cards is a crime , maybe the ones that profit from it should be Charged !
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Thanks man, appreciate you since the beginning.
Players do card counting, casinos do player counting
It's not about raising or lowering bets based on the quality of your hand, it's what's left in the deck and how much it favors dealer busts
So if you know what's in the deck - what do you do?
More high cards in the deck means you bet more because it raises your odds of winning. More high cards means more dealer busts
Good channel. I like watching it. Thanks
I love the content been here since the third video but if i may i would like to suggest you that you shouldn't only be focused on casino winners but also money related big hits like heists as well
Noted, thanks for the feedback - appreciated.
@@TILT223I second this. You guys have made very high quality, entertaining videos on the casino niche and I wouldn’t quit focusing on that, but your well produced video making style would translate very well to other related topics like E.A.00 said. I was even thinking this in my head, but didn’t think to comment until reading their comment since I don’t normally leave comments. Keep up the great work!
I would watch anything that you make if it is similar in quality to the videos that you have been making. I am not particularly interested in gambling, but have loved every video you have made.
Love all your videos. Have you looked into making a video about Phil Ivey's edge sorting cases?
There is one on our channel page, take a look for it - one of our better videos in my opinion too!
Thank you so much this video was very interesting and informative please keep making videos like this
Thank you! Will do!
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Casinos don't like to lose. And sometimes, they will not lose. My husband was in Las Vegas in the nineties , and playing blackjack . He was trying a new staking system that, in practice , was winning alot of money , and consistently. The system had a strategy in which the player writes down his bets, for himself to keep track.
Even though , at the time , he was playing with only red chips ($5) and started off with only about $60, he had grown his stake to over $350 in less than an hour. The casino management noticed and weren't pleased. When he increased his unit chip to $25, they stepped in and barred him from the table, even through all the tables were very busy and the table he was at a table that had changed players twice. They were running scared. The same thing happened when he went to the baccarat tables, except he made alot more money.
His "system" is just luck.
@@kkkkkkkemstarright and anyone who wins it back is addict too fuckin casinos will say anything to keep the facade going
@@kkkkkkkemstar Maybe luck, maybe an actual system, the main issue is that if he was barred is because the casino couldn't prove he was cheating. Casinos shouldn't have the right to ban someone just because they win too much and too often, just like they are not allowed to ban all mexicans, or all chinese, or all gays, etc.
Fake, they aren't going to trip over 350 it's all about dollars, now say he won over 10000 multiple days or 80000 in the span of a few months then they would back him off
@@PaulKloos-m6b🤦🏼♂️ it’s a human not a robot. How are you going to pretend you know what every single person in charge of kicking out winners has ever done?
Another great video! Keep up the good work man
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Great content on every video
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NJ can't throw you out now, but it's meaningless; their games suck, it's a dangerous area and they can simply make the games worse (they can flat bet a player which is just as bad as kicking them out.) Vegas is actually better, they rarely bar players but most of the games suck. All you have to do is cut off 2 decks from an 8 deck shoe and you're risking thousands to win min wage (casino makes almost as much as normal, losing pennies for switching machine shuffled shoes.) The real advantage play being done is computers posing as people on poker sites, as long as they don't play an inhuman amount of poker it's hard to be sure and they won't kick them out unless they're sure. A guy got kicked out, but he had to admit it to get kicked out. At micro stakes, if you had enough bots you could make money; but imagine someone going from low stakes to higher and higher with a top level program (not a cheap bot.) Top players could beat it, but eventually even they'd be losing money to it; assuming it doesn't beat them to start. Personally, I never sought to 'take them down' when I played seeking advantage (though it's also not unethical to do so, as casinos take a lot from those with little); but I do think it's wrong to seek to gain unreasonable advantage over individuals.
Vegas does indeed blacklist counters. While there are ways to even the odds, casinos don't want even odds; they like having a significant advantage. (shuffling the deck effectively kills any counting, but it takes time.) I had a coworker who was "asked" to stop playing because he was counting. He wasn't mistreated, or thrown out, just prohibited from playing blackjack. Counting isn't difficult, esp. for someone who deals with lots of numbers professionally.
2 decks from an 8 deck is a dream lol. That’s 75% pen
but with online casinos, they make it so hard to get your money back out. you have to dox yourself. pics front/back of your cc, utility bill, ID, ssn, amount you have to play thru(~250%)... they wouldn't let me get $400 in slots wins I got from entirely free spins, I could only piss it away over a month trying to get to the the playthrough limit
And another one!
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Look forward to seeing these pop up.
I also love the fact that you explained that this is the case that set the precedence that counting cards is not illegal
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Casinos: You can change your bets at the table, but we may ban you. You can talk to other players, but we can ban you. You can look at the cards, but we can ban you.
No. Either it's allowed for everyone or it's allowed for no one. They should not have the right to ban you because you are too good at the rules they setup. If you don't want people changing bets mid round, have a specific, defined rule for that, etc.
Make videos about the biggest gambling losses also
Great stuff here
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Casinos have ruined gambling no wonder people have stopped playing there. 😢
If you're not a nerd or a genius who will win via a system then dont go to a casino for fun. Its an evil bussiness. They have all the advantages
why did I think I watched fern, did you take some slight inspiration from the their vids etc?
Good reason never to gamble.
the sound on ur video seems a bit fuzzy. idk if it's just me
I think it must be.
is this the voice of caan berry im hearing?
@3:04 lol that is a baseball stats image
Ya it is lol. On base and slugging % lol
It is from the movie "Moneyball" with Brad Pitt.
The movie is about using math and numbers to win over spending many millions on PLAYERS, when the game is all about runs. Math over human perception. I'm sure that you know this, though. I'm sorry. I love gambling and baseball. Lol
the real 21 film??
Damn nice teef
No to be mean but why they call 39 years old a young man bros middle aged 💀💀 I’m 13
He ain’t young or middle age kid. 50s is middle age 😂😂
Brother your video and Thumbnail Copy Past This channel (SPIN)
Let me guess Mikki Mase?
Nope.
@@TILT223 Mikki seems like a fraud, make a video on him if you can he has a lot of dirt
Voice is wayyyy too familiar haha caan?
Hey bro, love your content! Just wanted to know if you’re looking for a partner for this channel, someone to buy in and partner on editing and scripts etc, lmk?
Thanks man, not looking but open to the suggestion if you bring significant value to the audience.
@@TILT223 honestly I think I can provide significant value to your viewers and I can bring something extra to the table, let me know how I should get in touch?
The casinos set themselves up for this. Wherever you hear the term "flow of cards" it refers to the sequence of cards in a stacked deck and casino personnel often refer to the disruption of the "flow of cards" by card counters. They stack the decks because it's the only way to set up a winning seat (and a reason for others to lose their money) at every table.
The thing to remember is that Blackjack is a game of memory. The point is to remember every card that's been dealt and, on top of that, maintain an awareness of the remaining cards and their odds of being dealt. Blackjack, played according to the actual rules of the game (as found in any book on cardgames, not the various casino "rules") is good preparation for more sophisticate cardgames such as Gin/Conga and Bridge.
However, what happens when card counters enter the casino blackjack game is that you now have a witness to the presence of 8 aces of spades in a six deck shoe. There are legal implications which are bigger than having a winner at the table (which you need in order to keep the table full and the money flowing from the other five or seven players).
@@Mercurio-Morat-Goes-Bughunting card counters don’t “memorize” the cards. No need to. They just have values assigned to them
👍 @@briandraper7630 That's an elegant system too - the one you're talking about. However, one of my mates at uni would memorise the cards in other games - for fun. I reckon he'd have been a terror at Blackjack if the odds weren't stacked so heavily against players.
I'm not sure I want to risk getting beaten up or death to earn a living.
Whilst the amount of winnings seems impressive, if it was calculated on an hourly rate, it probably amounts to each person in the team earning the minimum wage. And if winnings are taxable in the US, then it's an extremely boring way to earn a living. There are other forms of gambling that are more lucrative and less time consuming, such as parlaying on fixed odds sports.
How would you work an edge with that? The sports books ban.
@@TILT223 My point is that the edge with card counting is so small, that you could get similar results with disciplined betting on fixed odds sports, particularly with betting agencies offering bonus bets and odds boosts.
Not sure about other countries, but in Australia I haven't heard of betting agencies banning customers for taking short odds parlays on sports bets. And winnings aren't taxable.
Not true card counters calculate an hourly rate usually in the 200s
Did hear right the casino back in past not open 24/7
Correct, depends on place and year.
While counting cards is just "skilled play", _communicating_ that count to others is cheating. That's "signalling", and is absolutely illegal. They weren't arrested for counting, but for the signalling. Their lawyers were apparently too lazy to bring that up.
Players are allowed to talk at the table and communicate, some give eachother tips - that's not illegal? Its quite funny becasue the casino only call it foul play when the tips are good. If it a dummy loser dishing them out they're more than happy to let it happen. Perhaps if they want to call it illegal, they should refund every player that ever acted on bad advice given by someone else at the table. Reasonable right?
@@TILT223 General banter, and even "tips" on how to play are legal. But "signalling" is a form of cooperative play, and thus cheating. I can't sit at the table calling out the count, for example. If you sit there constantly telling others how to play, you're going to be removed.
@@jfbeamby that logic, dealers who say the number of the cards the player has so that the player doesn't have to count, would be signaling. The dealer is relaying information to the player that he COULD have if he did the math himself, but doesn't have if he plays mindlessly like the casino wants. That exact description also fits saying the count out loud, which is readily available to anyone who has bothered to pay attention enough to have that information
@@jfbeamcard counting is not illegal , working as a team to count cards is not illegal either
Honestly, if there's going to be a law on the books defending counters, it should be that any casino that deems someone's play as "too good for them" should be required to give that person unlimited room, food, and beverage comps FOR LIFE. They should effectively be able to live at that establishment and not pay a penny for the rest of their days. Make it prohibitively expensive to bar a counter. Alternatively, a law package that prohibits backoffs, tresspassing, preferential shuffling, restricting the bet limits beyond what is posted at the table, as well as 6:5 blackjack, dealers hitting on soft 17, removing the surrender option, limiting double down and splits at all (including Aces)...force the casinos to deal a fair game to all patrons and accept they're going to lose to counters over the long term. The only protection the casino should have is maximum daily win limits per patron that should be in the mid five figure range.
Anyone receiving these benefits for life isn't likely to live very long. They will put a hit on you and you'll "swim" in Lake Mead.
@@arnenelson4495 That died when the mob stopped running casinos in Vegas.
@@MewtwoStruckBack Maybe
This is about blackjack. Why oh why was the thumbnail showing a roulette wheel?
I guess we could ask why your profile pic is a former US president, or is that you Donald?
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If card counting is seen by casinos as "illegal"
Gambling itself should be illegal by the society and law, gambling is stealing
Since the beginning of time business "has the right to refuse service to anyone" it's not a new idea
Unless it's a wedding cake?
@@sounduser so true
i love these videos but why do I feel this is all done by AI?
Because of the current hype? I assure you it's certainly not
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I don't think so, these take a lot to create.
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Indeed you were.
I know inflation is bad but $2k in 1995 isn’t the same as $9k in 2024. Lol😂
Edit for time stamp 3:50
It was 1978, not 1995. 1995 is when the story comes to a head in court, perhaps you missed the 15 years earlier bit at the end of the intro.
Depends. A $100,000 house in 1995 could easily be a $450,000 house today.
Card counting is like athletes who take steroids. It's cheating. Card counting would be legal if everybody did it. But enhanced gamblers don't have a right to play with disadvantaged players.
I never understand why people think that casinos should be forced to allow counters to keep playing. Gambling is a MUTUALLY agreed upon contract. Just as casinos can't FORCE you to keep playing when you don't want to, you can't force them to continue gambling with you.
Found the bootlicker
Literally no other game, sport, or business model penalizes you (or attempts to criminalize you) for simply using your brain and being good at the game they are offering. Can you imagine if Nintendo did that? Or the NBA? Or the SAT/ACT?
American Idol, but you can never have had a singing coach. Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader? You can't have completed 5th grade. American Ninja Warrior. You can't be athletic. America's Got Talent. You can't have previously trained. Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? Not if you have a diploma or GED. The Olympics shouldn't be for anyone holding a record or championship.
@@Jayro951 Again little boy...you do realize that those shows have the ability to not let you compete, right? Not that your analogy makes any sense anyway. You are not competing against the show. You DO realize that, right?
@@michaelbrodie9622false equivalencies and you know it.
Card counting is not cheating. Working as a team is .
Why?
Pretty sure working as a team actually isn’t, you’re allowed to talk to the other players at tables, so its not like their doing anything wrong, even it they’re speaking in code
That was really boring.
Damn, what was you hoping for?
@@TILT223i don’t think you could have presented it in a more entertaining or concise way.
@TILT223 just lost interest, sorry. I'm usually very engaged with your videos. It's probably only ne though don't worry.
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It takes time
Ha thanks you're too kind, we hope one day!