Happy to welcome you back. Also, I am delighted to see you talk straight about the various bits and pieces that irritate - like annoying grit in the candy floss of timey-wimey stuff we love. Moffatt is a genius writer in the main, but he - like RTD is clearly being limited by the constraints that seem to be put upon the show. Just recently, there was a release of scenes that were cut from Season 1 -and when viewed, they make so much sense. Check them out. Suddenly, “Push the Button” in Space Babies and the magic whistle in Kingdom of Death add so much to the narrative. In truth, RTD surely has the wit to discern when important narrative points are compromised - so what's going on? We are all missing the lovely interpersonal exposition we relished when The Doctor and Companion shared their Tardis time together -maybe in a cold open, or when The Doctor had real pushback from their buddy when there was a humane alternative to certain death. No time for humanity Russell? It feels safe to assume that Disney has insisted on a shorter episode length to suit their own priorities -WTF! Why in a streaming format, do we have to be limited in episode length? I’ve spent a long time defending RTD on here, pushing back on the criticism of the decisions he has made, but your valid points have confirmed my rising doubts. I guess that maybe it's issues like these that are holding up the renewal of the Disney/BBC partnership. It's my guess that RTD is privately not too pleased with the compromises he has been forced to make so far but is too committed to the cause to go public. My hope is the RTD will allow the stories to breathe by producing more two-parters. The two-parter is not my favourite format - the dramatic cliffhanger is a trope I don't much like, but surely it's better than a rushed ending -which is frankly insulting. Like I said, welcome back, and I hope you find time to post more of your wonderful wisdom. It's great to be alive, don't you think?
Thanks for the welcome!! Glad you enjoy our realness, someone had to say it... No time for humanity INDEED. This is such a good piece of info to find out - we'll definitely check them out, thank you! Maybe he does realize some moments are necessary but sort of feels the same way the fanbase does in that we wish there was more runtime and isn't as passionate or something. Maybe he just needs to put episodes out per Disney contract - who knows. But we don't understand either why there are these constraints - maybe money/budget? We would make that same guess you have abt RTD not being fully satisfied 😂 Agreed on that we would accept a two-parter to resolve this HUGE issue lol. Great to see you in the comment section again, it's amazing to be alive :)
Oh! and also, I have a suggestion or two. 1 When you do a review of an ep, I think it would be fun if you started off with your usual charming banter, but just when you start to talk about the ep, you actually run the episode -unseen and unheard (although you could each have an AirPod?), so you can both see it (only you) on a screen behind the camera. I don't think that you’d get in trouble for it, but you could follow your usual path of insightful review, only interspersed with little breaks where you declare, ‘Oh this is a nice scene!” then describe what you can see -and why it works so well. That way, there would be space for you to still examine aspects of Who and the featured episode in particular but allow the viewer to vicariously enjoy your warmth and thrill when the drama/comedy turns up along the way. One of you could put specs on, so we can just about see an occasional reflection.... youtube gold 2 Do a timey-wimey series where you review River Song’s episodes but on her timeline. I know its been done elsewhere, but not with your ironic and quick-witted minds at work! 3 Review any or all of the following, using format 1, above “Rose" “Dalek” "The End of the World" "Father's Day” "The Girl in the Fireplace" "The Impossible Planet” "The Satan Pit” "Human Nature” "The Family of Blood” "The Fires of Pompeii” "The Doctor's Daughter” "Turn Left” "The Eleventh Hour” "Amy's Choice” "The Doctor's Wife” "A Good Man Goes to War” "Asylum of the Daleks” "The Bells of Saint John” "The Crimson Horror" - and so many more - just waiting for your critique. I know these are already well-regarded eps, but I want to hear your thoughts anyway. Sometimes - well frequently, in fact, Who provides us with a parable on the unforeseen side effects of humanity’s liking for nihilistic stuff (often tech stuff) -"The Bells of Saint John” is a good example of that. Its interesting. I’m picturing you both sat down with an assortment of American snacking-style energy boosters, or a portion of grits, two spoons.... and a notepad, maybe. 4 Put yourselves in the rabid mindset of the Whovian fanbase. We’re mad for a bit of Who-based distraction when a big event comes along -an anniversary, a special episode, or a new series is looming. Similar to the suggestion of a Christmas Eve posting, you might suggest a game of pairing episodes of Who - from along the new era timeline. Episodes that work together thematically or contrast totally - that’s a new idea in my head. It may take a bit of work. eg "The Girl in the Fireplace” cw "The Girl Who Died” - about the result of being abandoned by The Doctor you could do a Timey-Wimey talk on either a pairing like these, or suggest a pairing of an episode that may* make a nice companion piece for the new as yet unseen episode (although we will have a title to work with...).
1. Great idea! We definitely want to do another reaction-style video and have talked abt possibly getting a green screen, screen recording while we watch and editing us over it. Not sure yet if it would get us in trouble - will definitely be looking into it though. Possibly clipping it a bit to avoid copyright striking? Maybe we'll try out the specs idea too.. made us laugh LOL 2. You give the best compliments, thank you!! We definitely have been wanting to do this exact video, just never had the time to before - maybe now with our more relaxed release schedules! 3. Thank you for the episode suggestions - just added them to our list. LOVE Bells of Saint John for that exact reason - have you seen Black Mirror? God, we both love grits too, how did you know HAHA gotta get our Southern cooking on! Snack time is always an option fr. 4. We do really like this idea too! Years of advanced English will come in handy to recognize similar themes and we'd love to compare epis - esp bc there are similar themes over the course of all these years. Picking a theme and matching episodes to it would be a really interesting review style! We'll keep our eyes peeled for more information on the new episode and try to connect with one previous - love this suggestion. As always, thank you for your compliments, commentary, suggestions, and overall encouragement for us to keep going :)
He gets the code from himself as part of a bootstrap paradox like the 12th Doctor explained at the beginning of Before The Flood (all that stuff with Beethoven and the music apparently appearing out of nowhere). He knew the code because he remembered his future self telling him it!
I think my issue with the matter is that it didn't really matter if the doctor was there or not. Like, wouldn't the starseed and its host just shoot into space regardless of if he was there or not? The main other instance I can think of where the doctor talks someone down to snap them out of a state is when 11 (who people also saw as a bit too bubbly) did it to the head of the church in his last episode. 100% down for more dark-doctor stuff, though I suppose this last season has been beating down 15 after the healing that 14 went through, so good chance we'll get more going forth.
We were confused abt that too, but we just assumed that Joy just...absorbed... the star to prevent it from destroying the Earth? And rose into the sky? And the Doctor helped her absorb it into happy thoughts? Who knows 🤷♀ And we definitely need to brush up on our 14 knowledge... kinda forgot a lot that happened. Glad you think there's a good chance for that though, we need the Doctor to go rogue (and find Rogue)!!
I think the end becomes much better with the theory that the star actually did what Villenguard wanted it to do: it created christianity in the past so that they could sell them weapons in the future (as seen in Boom). Also, the part where the star's AI is like "we apologize for the death we will cause" could be about the religious wars they will cause by creating christianity instead of being about blowing up the planet, which makes the episode much more subversive and dark in my opinion.
@@agentjohn4313 ok that Theory has me on board with the ending 100%. I love the connection to Boom and that it's using faith as a weapon as we know villenguard does. I wish they verbally made that connection in the episode because that would have been awesome. We would have lost our minds.
@TimeyWimeyTalks yeah it was my first interpretation when I watched it and I hope it was Moffat's intention but if it was, it was clearly not communicated well enough
Can we talk about how the wisemen are already in Bethlehem? They are supposed to follow the star across the desert to find Christ right? But that star JUST showed up, so how the hell are their camels already there? Also I agree, Joy was annoying as hell, and that wide eyed, plastic smile wasn't creepy, it was just cringe
That is actually such a good point, we didn't even think abt that... Maybe the Doctor invented Jesus and told them ahead of time idk?? Yeaa Joy's whole thing didn't exactly feel real and we cringed a bit lol
I was a little disappointed that Nicola Coughlan spent so much time possessed as I had been looking forward to her being on the show. Not sure about her character becoming a star… I don’t know what kind of life being a star is, but it’s bound to be missing a lot of the little things that make being human, well, human.
Worst episode of "Dr. Who" in it's 61 year history more crying Gatwa and a really lame storyline and the birth of jesus at the end was a step too far. You can tell Moffat is running out of ideas. This is not "Dr. Who".
I totally feel where you are coming from. We are definitely giving a lot of grace with the new season esp cuz Disney isn't allowing a lot of freedom. The concept we feel like was great but it seemed to be rushed at the end like a lot of the new seasons episodes! We refuse to give up on our fav show 😭😭
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Happy to welcome you back. Also, I am delighted to see you talk straight about the various bits and pieces that irritate - like annoying grit in the candy floss of timey-wimey stuff we love. Moffatt is a genius writer in the main, but he - like RTD is clearly being limited by the constraints that seem to be put upon the show. Just recently, there was a release of scenes that were cut from Season 1 -and when viewed, they make so much sense. Check them out. Suddenly, “Push the Button” in Space Babies and the magic whistle in Kingdom of Death add so much to the narrative. In truth, RTD surely has the wit to discern when important narrative points are compromised - so what's going on? We are all missing the lovely interpersonal exposition we relished when The Doctor and Companion shared their Tardis time together -maybe in a cold open, or when The Doctor had real pushback from their buddy when there was a humane alternative to certain death. No time for humanity Russell?
It feels safe to assume that Disney has insisted on a shorter episode length to suit their own priorities -WTF! Why in a streaming format, do we have to be limited in episode length? I’ve spent a long time defending RTD on here, pushing back on the criticism of the decisions he has made, but your valid points have confirmed my rising doubts.
I guess that maybe it's issues like these that are holding up the renewal of the Disney/BBC partnership. It's my guess that RTD is privately not too pleased with the compromises he has been forced to make so far but is too committed to the cause to go public. My hope is the RTD will allow the stories to breathe by producing more two-parters. The two-parter is not my favourite format - the dramatic cliffhanger is a trope I don't much like, but surely it's better than a rushed ending -which is frankly insulting.
Like I said, welcome back, and I hope you find time to post more of your wonderful wisdom. It's great to be alive, don't you think?
Thanks for the welcome!! Glad you enjoy our realness, someone had to say it... No time for humanity INDEED. This is such a good piece of info to find out - we'll definitely check them out, thank you! Maybe he does realize some moments are necessary but sort of feels the same way the fanbase does in that we wish there was more runtime and isn't as passionate or something. Maybe he just needs to put episodes out per Disney contract - who knows. But we don't understand either why there are these constraints - maybe money/budget? We would make that same guess you have abt RTD not being fully satisfied 😂 Agreed on that we would accept a two-parter to resolve this HUGE issue lol. Great to see you in the comment section again, it's amazing to be alive :)
Oh! and also, I have a suggestion or two.
1 When you do a review of an ep, I think it would be fun if you started off with your usual charming banter, but just when you start to talk about the ep, you actually run the episode -unseen and unheard (although you could each have an AirPod?), so you can both see it (only you) on a screen behind the camera. I don't think that you’d get in trouble for it, but you could follow your usual path of insightful review, only interspersed with little breaks where you declare, ‘Oh this is a nice scene!” then describe what you can see -and why it works so well. That way, there would be space for you to still examine aspects of Who and the featured episode in particular but allow the viewer to vicariously enjoy your warmth and thrill when the drama/comedy turns up along the way.
One of you could put specs on, so we can just about see an occasional reflection.... youtube gold
2 Do a timey-wimey series where you review River Song’s episodes but on her timeline. I know its been done elsewhere, but not with your ironic and quick-witted minds at work!
3 Review any or all of the following, using format 1, above
“Rose"
“Dalek”
"The End of the World"
"Father's Day”
"The Girl in the Fireplace"
"The Impossible Planet” "The Satan Pit”
"Human Nature” "The Family of Blood”
"The Fires of Pompeii”
"The Doctor's Daughter”
"Turn Left”
"The Eleventh Hour”
"Amy's Choice”
"The Doctor's Wife”
"A Good Man Goes to War”
"Asylum of the Daleks”
"The Bells of Saint John”
"The Crimson Horror"
- and so many more - just waiting for your critique. I know these are already well-regarded eps, but I want to hear your thoughts anyway.
Sometimes - well frequently, in fact, Who provides us with a parable on the unforeseen side effects of humanity’s liking for nihilistic stuff (often tech stuff) -"The Bells of Saint John” is a good example of that. Its interesting.
I’m picturing you both sat down with an assortment of American snacking-style energy boosters, or a portion of grits, two spoons.... and a notepad, maybe.
4 Put yourselves in the rabid mindset of the Whovian fanbase.
We’re mad for a bit of Who-based distraction when a big event comes along -an anniversary, a special episode, or a new series is looming.
Similar to the suggestion of a Christmas Eve posting, you might suggest a game of pairing episodes of Who - from along the new era timeline. Episodes that work together thematically or contrast totally - that’s a new idea in my head. It may take a bit of work.
eg "The Girl in the Fireplace” cw "The Girl Who Died” - about the result of being abandoned by The Doctor
you could do a Timey-Wimey talk on either a pairing like these, or suggest a pairing of an episode that may* make a nice companion piece for the new as yet unseen episode (although we will have a title to work with...).
1. Great idea! We definitely want to do another reaction-style video and have talked abt possibly getting a green screen, screen recording while we watch and editing us over it. Not sure yet if it would get us in trouble - will definitely be looking into it though. Possibly clipping it a bit to avoid copyright striking? Maybe we'll try out the specs idea too.. made us laugh LOL
2. You give the best compliments, thank you!! We definitely have been wanting to do this exact video, just never had the time to before - maybe now with our more relaxed release schedules!
3. Thank you for the episode suggestions - just added them to our list. LOVE Bells of Saint John for that exact reason - have you seen Black Mirror? God, we both love grits too, how did you know HAHA gotta get our Southern cooking on! Snack time is always an option fr.
4. We do really like this idea too! Years of advanced English will come in handy to recognize similar themes and we'd love to compare epis - esp bc there are similar themes over the course of all these years. Picking a theme and matching episodes to it would be a really interesting review style! We'll keep our eyes peeled for more information on the new episode and try to connect with one previous - love this suggestion.
As always, thank you for your compliments, commentary, suggestions, and overall encouragement for us to keep going :)
He gets the code from himself as part of a bootstrap paradox like the 12th Doctor explained at the beginning of Before The Flood (all that stuff with Beethoven and the music apparently appearing out of nowhere). He knew the code because he remembered his future self telling him it!
👁️👄👁️ bootstrap paradox is in blink as well and I still don't completely understand it. But I'm trying 😅
I think my issue with the matter is that it didn't really matter if the doctor was there or not. Like, wouldn't the starseed and its host just shoot into space regardless of if he was there or not? The main other instance I can think of where the doctor talks someone down to snap them out of a state is when 11 (who people also saw as a bit too bubbly) did it to the head of the church in his last episode. 100% down for more dark-doctor stuff, though I suppose this last season has been beating down 15 after the healing that 14 went through, so good chance we'll get more going forth.
We were confused abt that too, but we just assumed that Joy just...absorbed... the star to prevent it from destroying the Earth? And rose into the sky? And the Doctor helped her absorb it into happy thoughts? Who knows 🤷♀ And we definitely need to brush up on our 14 knowledge... kinda forgot a lot that happened. Glad you think there's a good chance for that though, we need the Doctor to go rogue (and find Rogue)!!
I think the end becomes much better with the theory that the star actually did what Villenguard wanted it to do: it created christianity in the past so that they could sell them weapons in the future (as seen in Boom). Also, the part where the star's AI is like "we apologize for the death we will cause" could be about the religious wars they will cause by creating christianity instead of being about blowing up the planet, which makes the episode much more subversive and dark in my opinion.
@@agentjohn4313 ok that Theory has me on board with the ending 100%. I love the connection to Boom and that it's using faith as a weapon as we know villenguard does. I wish they verbally made that connection in the episode because that would have been awesome. We would have lost our minds.
@TimeyWimeyTalks yeah it was my first interpretation when I watched it and I hope it was Moffat's intention but if it was, it was clearly not communicated well enough
Can we talk about how the wisemen are already in Bethlehem? They are supposed to follow the star across the desert to find Christ right? But that star JUST showed up, so how the hell are their camels already there?
Also I agree, Joy was annoying as hell, and that wide eyed, plastic smile wasn't creepy, it was just cringe
That is actually such a good point, we didn't even think abt that... Maybe the Doctor invented Jesus and told them ahead of time idk?? Yeaa Joy's whole thing didn't exactly feel real and we cringed a bit lol
I was a little disappointed that Nicola Coughlan spent so much time possessed as I had been looking forward to her being on the show. Not sure about her character becoming a star… I don’t know what kind of life being a star is, but it’s bound to be missing a lot of the little things that make being human, well, human.
Shine bright like a Diamond ✨⭐️lol I wanna know your feelings about absorbing your mother ha ha
@@TimeyWimeyTalksI don't know, best case they're just living happily together inside a star. Whatever that's like. 😂
Worst episode of "Dr. Who" in it's 61 year history more crying Gatwa and a really lame storyline and the birth of jesus at the end was a step too far. You can tell Moffat is running out of ideas.
This is not "Dr. Who".
I totally feel where you are coming from. We are definitely giving a lot of grace with the new season esp cuz Disney isn't allowing a lot of freedom. The concept we feel like was great but it seemed to be rushed at the end like a lot of the new seasons episodes! We refuse to give up on our fav show 😭😭