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Worst episode of "Dr. Who" in it's 61 year history more crying Gatwa and a really lame storyline and the birth of jesus at the end was a step too far. You can tell Moffat is running out of ideas. This is not "Dr. Who".

Oh! and also, I have a suggestion or two. 1 When you do a review of an ep, I think it would be fun if you started off with your usual charming banter, but just when you start to talk about the ep, you actually run the episode -unseen and unheard (although you could each have an AirPod?), so you can both see it (only you) on a screen behind the camera. I don't think that you’d get in trouble for it, but you could follow your usual path of insightful review, only interspersed with little breaks where you declare, ‘Oh this is a nice scene!” then describe what you can see -and why it works so well. That way, there would be space for you to still examine aspects of Who and the featured episode in particular but allow the viewer to vicariously enjoy your warmth and thrill when the drama/comedy turns up along the way. One of you could put specs on, so we can just about see an occasional reflection.... youtube gold 2 Do a timey-wimey series where you review River Song’s episodes but on her timeline. I know its been done elsewhere, but not with your ironic and quick-witted minds at work! 3 Review any or all of the following, using format 1, above “Rose" “Dalek” "The End of the World" "Father's Day” "The Girl in the Fireplace" "The Impossible Planet” "The Satan Pit” "Human Nature” "The Family of Blood” "The Fires of Pompeii” "The Doctor's Daughter” "Turn Left” "The Eleventh Hour” "Amy's Choice” "The Doctor's Wife” "A Good Man Goes to War” "Asylum of the Daleks” "The Bells of Saint John” "The Crimson Horror" - and so many more - just waiting for your critique. I know these are already well-regarded eps, but I want to hear your thoughts anyway. Sometimes - well frequently, in fact, Who provides us with a parable on the unforeseen side effects of humanity’s liking for nihilistic stuff (often tech stuff) -"The Bells of Saint John” is a good example of that. Its interesting. I’m picturing you both sat down with an assortment of American snacking-style energy boosters, or a portion of grits, two spoons.... and a notepad, maybe. 4 Put yourselves in the rabid mindset of the Whovian fanbase. We’re mad for a bit of Who-based distraction when a big event comes along -an anniversary, a special episode, or a new series is looming. Similar to the suggestion of a Christmas Eve posting, you might suggest a game of pairing episodes of Who - from along the new era timeline. Episodes that work together thematically or contrast totally - that’s a new idea in my head. It may take a bit of work. eg "The Girl in the Fireplace” cw "The Girl Who Died” - about the result of being abandoned by The Doctor you could do a Timey-Wimey talk on either a pairing like these, or suggest a pairing of an episode that may* make a nice companion piece for the new as yet unseen episode (although we will have a title to work with...).

Can we talk about how the wisemen are already in Bethlehem? They are supposed to follow the star across the desert to find Christ right? But that star JUST showed up, so how the hell are their camels already there? Also I agree, Joy was annoying as hell, and that wide eyed, plastic smile wasn't creepy, it was just cringe

Happy to welcome you back. Also, I am delighted to see you talk straight about the various bits and pieces that irritate - like annoying grit in the candy floss of timey-wimey stuff we love. Moffatt is a genius writer in the main, but he - like RTD is clearly being limited by the constraints that seem to be put upon the show. Just recently, there was a release of scenes that were cut from Season 1 -and when viewed, they make so much sense. Check them out. Suddenly, “Push the Button” in Space Babies and the magic whistle in Kingdom of Death add so much to the narrative. In truth, RTD surely has the wit to discern when important narrative points are compromised - so what's going on? We are all missing the lovely interpersonal exposition we relished when The Doctor and Companion shared their Tardis time together -maybe in a cold open, or when The Doctor had real pushback from their buddy when there was a humane alternative to certain death. No time for humanity Russell? It feels safe to assume that Disney has insisted on a shorter episode length to suit their own priorities -WTF! Why in a streaming format, do we have to be limited in episode length? I’ve spent a long time defending RTD on here, pushing back on the criticism of the decisions he has made, but your valid points have confirmed my rising doubts. I guess that maybe it's issues like these that are holding up the renewal of the Disney/BBC partnership. It's my guess that RTD is privately not too pleased with the compromises he has been forced to make so far but is too committed to the cause to go public. My hope is the RTD will allow the stories to breathe by producing more two-parters. The two-parter is not my favourite format - the dramatic cliffhanger is a trope I don't much like, but surely it's better than a rushed ending -which is frankly insulting. Like I said, welcome back, and I hope you find time to post more of your wonderful wisdom. It's great to be alive, don't you think?

I think my issue with the matter is that it didn't really matter if the doctor was there or not. Like, wouldn't the starseed and its host just shoot into space regardless of if he was there or not? The main other instance I can think of where the doctor talks someone down to snap them out of a state is when 11 (who people also saw as a bit too bubbly) did it to the head of the church in his last episode. 100% down for more dark-doctor stuff, though I suppose this last season has been beating down 15 after the healing that 14 went through, so good chance we'll get more going forth.

I think the end becomes much better with the theory that the star actually did what Villenguard wanted it to do: it created christianity in the past so that they could sell them weapons in the future (as seen in Boom). Also, the part where the star's AI is like "we apologize for the death we will cause" could be about the religious wars they will cause by creating christianity instead of being about blowing up the planet, which makes the episode much more subversive and dark in my opinion.

He gets the code from himself as part of a bootstrap paradox like the 12th Doctor explained at the beginning of Before The Flood (all that stuff with Beethoven and the music apparently appearing out of nowhere). He knew the code because he remembered his future self telling him it!

I was a little disappointed that Nicola Coughlan spent so much time possessed as I had been looking forward to her being on the show. Not sure about her character becoming a star… I don’t know what kind of life being a star is, but it’s bound to be missing a lot of the little things that make being human, well, human.

Instead of the Daleks' motto... _"Pro-cre-ate! Pro-cre-ate!"_

It's really great to see you back! Don't worry about keeping a regular schedule, just do videos whenever you can. :)

Im so glad y'all are back 🥹 congratulations on the new job! Unpopular Opinion; River is more than overrated. She's poorly written and all of her appearances after season 5 are pure fan service lacking substance.

So, Thanks for the kind note above. I do hope that you do get re-energised on the Timey Timey trail. Your joyful presentations need to continue. You make me laugh, and think - and so I’m ok with the idea that characters from history should be represented in their original race. However, there then follows that Who should be obligated to portray more characters from the broad spectrum of Earth’s history. - of all nations. I can’t wait until we see the Christmas special when we get to meet the Hebrew baby Jesus, and the various ethnic folk in the stable. Regenerations - where genders are fluid. I think I have to like the changes we’ve seen. Missy is irreplaceable, after all. It’s funny, don’t you think that we’re ready to accept an alien who explodes when their life is over, and magically reincarnate (just wow!) but somehow accepting a change of gender is beyond our realm of imagination?!!! Nah. Hmm, ending Who? Nah, we maybe need to hold the faith. RTD is going to knit the whole thing together. believe it. River Song is maybe the GOAT, but part of a little herd of beloved Doctor characters. Re the Doctor River relationship -“You can’t expect a sunset to love you back” you know. I’m a Clara fan too, but I have to overlook the Moffat death-cheating thing that he can’t resist. Some folk just can’t take the fact that she was too assertive. The easy chat between you is your secret sauce. the constant stream of thought borders on genius. WTF! Gun in a haunted house? America is strange indeed. Gun in your lap? Roll down the window, toss! Then - bye bud. What - Alyssa -were you born on Christmas Day or thereabouts? maddening, surely - You need to have an unbirthday - you know, a second “official birthday” like the British Queen did - where you choose a date six months from your actual date. This protects you from Birthday/Christmas Present crossover disappointments, and you also get a second party! So third week of June - party time! Top tip!

My unpopular take: I think bigeneration was a terrible idea as it was executed, it would have been much better if the 14th Doctor "remerged" with the 15th at the end. I kinda hate having two separate doctors around at all times.

... STINKY! 🤭

Em... is this a pilot for a new sit-com? 😳😂😂😂 You made me laugh out loud

Great ideas! Please continue!

Hi Tyara and Alyssa, Really enjoying your TWTs I have a seasonal suggestion. How about joining in with the UK 25th December mad Who TV frenzy - and deploy your sharp insights and quick witted banter at the same time? It would be great to hear what Christmas episode you would like to recommend we view as a seasonal appetiser for this year’s Christmas Episode. Perhaps your Timey Wimey Tallk could drop on Christmas Eve? You could offer your own thoughts as to why you think your suggested ep would be a neat opener for Ncuti’s visit to the Time Hotel, but mainly, it would just be a nice excuse for you to sprinkle some frosty Christmas Joy To our World?

Hope you guys are doing alright x

- The Doctor met up with River’s spirit on Trenzalore - allowing some kind of affirmation of his ongoing caring love for her.

This is a great review. Sincerity is a great aspect of your conversations. Cool. You deserve to have many more views. Doctor Moon revealed the reality of The Library to Cal, so that she could assist as best as she could in protecting the human visitors, and through that action - the safety of the C.A.L. project itself.

Going back to watch y'all's episodes from before I found the channel. Gotta do something since y'all apparently aren't posting videos anymore 😔

Face The Raven - Heaven Sent - Hell Bent, is one of the greatest 3 episode runs in new who for me. Capaldi and Clara also has the most interesting relationship out of the companions too. It was always going to lead to the Doctor losing his shit after losing so many people in horrible ways. I absolutely love their story across season 8 and 9 & the quality of the writing is comparable to how well Rivers story was told, for me

On the topic of the music score, I find since 13, even though Murray Goldis back for 15, it's overall worse than before 13 because even Murray himself has said he's been told basically to score continuously for every episode with very little time without music. It's massively diluted the quality imo, before when music was playing each piece usually had so much personality and was a banger in its own, but now it's mostly just background music :(

tbh I didnt like Whitaker's era but I thought this episode was okay, (especially compared to the rest of her run), I think that it's portraying the daleks in a way that feel really new without contradicting previously established lore.

I've not actually watched this episode or really most of Jodie's stuff though I do intend to get around to it. The general consensus that I've seen is that the writing isn't great during that bloc. With the prison scene, while it is kinda cool to have inmates who we previously know (eg. weeping angel), it does also come with the flaw of whether they're just there as a reference to keep people's attention rather than having a better story (which is also a trait of modern super-hero media too to just throw references in to compensate for writing). The whole thing of "who am I now that I'm not travelling with the Doctor" is a fun route to explore, though UNIT has kind of diminished a fair amount of it by hiring people and a good chunk of the others get killed or travel by some other means. I really need to watch through her episodes so I can better comment upon them.

By the way, my sister really loves this era. She writes lesbian fan fiction about 13 and Yaz. :D

Out of the 13th Doctor New Year specials, I enjoyed this one the least. I found it boring... I didn't like that American guy and wasn't pleased to see him back. I enjoyed the other two 13th Doctor New Year specials though! The first (Resolution) was actually pretty exciting, and the third (Eve of the Daleks) was funny. Aisling Bea is in Eve Of The Daleks, and she's always amusing.

I like this episode

You mention that this episode is a Christmas episode, and this out of everything is my main gripe with Chibnall... this is a new years day episode. Moffat wrote his last episode for Capaldi to regenerate but Chibnall refused to do a Christmas episode as his first, so Moffat scrambled together a Christmas special to be Capaldi's last episode instead... and then Chibnall refused to Christmas episodes all together... I know I am using a lot of ellipsis but this is how annoyed it makes me lol, CHIBNALL HATES CHRISTMAS! HE WRITES HORRIBLE DOCTOR WHO AND WONT ATLEAST WRITE CHRISTMAS SPECIALS???? In the UK growing up, Doctor Who was a key part of Christmas, you open your presents, you eat your food and drink lots of fizzy drinks and sit down and the whole family watches the Doctor Who Christmas special. I feel so sad for the kids growing up with Chibnall's Doctor Who and they don't get that truly amazing feeling when a wonderous whimsical adventure pops up on their TV on Christmas day from their favourite sci-fi show. It feels like Chibnall just took himself too seriously.

Oh no! im so sad this is the Jodi episode y'all started with 😭 i hate Mr. Robertson, with his halfass cartoon Donald Trump performance. He's in Archnids in the UK too, and its even worse there. Please please please please do Demons of the Punjab if you decide to do another one! I am NOT a fan of the Chibnal era of wiriting, which as you've rightly pointed out, is formulaic and riddled with plot holes (like how the Pting is a prisoner even tho Chibnal wrote the epsiode it debuted in and specifically stated they can't be held prisoner). What I AM a fan of is Jodi. She is the Doctor, and the fact she manages to shine through the trash writing is one reason I respect her performance so much. That said, DotP is a well written episode, because Chibnal didn't write it.

Dr. Who episode where Tyara has to say Christopher Eccleston correctly or the universe ends (impossible challenge)

My theory about Jack's erased memories is that it's somehow related to him getting to know that he becomes the Face of Bo later on through time travel, and that the time agency did it to preserve the timeline.

I think the unfinished business point is a good one for the regeneration back to a previous incarnation. I think Rose and the metacrisis Doctor could have kids as he is fully human rather than part timelord which might complicate things. Would love to see more of a transition from Captain Jack to the Face of Boe, as currently other than that comment there's not that much in there. I'd be down for character analysis episodes. So the doctor smashed all the mirrors in the Tardis, no wonder bad things keep happening with all that bad luck throughout time. Congrats on the promotion! Been without the means to watch videos for a couple weeks now so got some catching up to do.

I think Mickey is pretty clearly a bad boyfriend if you re-watch Rose. he finds out Rose just very nearly got KO’d by an explosion at her work but his first instinct is get her to the pub so he can watch a football match, when Rose goes to his house she tells him she wants a cup of tea so he should WASH his mug for her, not just rinse, he also tells her not to check his emails so it implies he was talking to other girls, he also is kind of cowardly (understandable i guess) whilst Rose saves the world, then calls The Doctor “a thing”, after he just saved his ass. I think Rose treats him badly obviously, but Mickey isn’t a good boyfriend by any means to Rose.

i think the stenson w bullet holes is symbolism of The Doctors war torn nature, the stenson represents the american ideals of second chances, and the bullet holes show how many second chances The Doctor has had, it’s a reminder to him to get Jex a second chance, whilst he may not deserve one

Well, there was a thing in one of the 90s ‘adult’ Doctor Who novels called Lungbarrow where we were told that Time Lords reproduce using machines called ‘Looms’. Those books have been contradicted quite a lot though. I’m pretty sure that the Doctor has had sex at some point during the modern era! :D By the way, there is an unfinished TV story in which a Time Lady refers to her childhood as 'when she was a Time Tot'. :D

Rose

24:20 you are correct! He sees his reflection and comments on the size of his ears in the very first episode. I used to think this was a plot hole, like it implied he just regenerated but then how were there all those photos/pictures of him in Clive's house? But if what you're saying about mirrors is true, it makes sense that hes been traveling solo since the war ended and hasn't looked at his face. Also! 23:15 love this fact, but it goes deeper! Not only does the Doctor take the first and last action of the time war, both are acts of mercy 🙏🏽 I won't spoil Genesis of the Daleks, but 4 and the War Doctor both have a chance to end war through genocide, and both find another way.

For what happened to the Vashta Nerada: the books of the library were made from their forest. The library IS their forest, their home. The Doctor just let them have this world. As for the “look me up” line I always interpreted it as the Doctor giving them a warning, pulling off his mask and revealing that HE is actually the most dangerous being on this world, but he is giving them the chance to back off and live to fight and feed another day

great review

this video is hilarious lol, Jack is such an icon <3 and these are two of my all-time favourite episodes. I always loved the banter between Jack and Rose and the Doctor before I even realised how gay it was, and just the whole, um, atmosphere of the episode. I love the contrast between the scary vibes and the sorta protective/domestic vibes and the humour. I think iirc the phones ringing thing was because Jamie was looking for his mum before he died and got hit by the ambulance ship, and because it was part of the Chula warriors' abilities with where the nanogenes came from, basically the nanogenes were applying that to him so that he could use them to aid his, like, mission to find his mummy. as for why he said "mummy" not "sister", idk maybe he had already been questioning that before he died? like if Nancy was still being a parental figure to him then it might have been really confusing for him? I love Christopher Eccleston's Doctor, also his IMDb quotes are really interesting. uhh as a British person I'm totally used to American voices online and I don't even think about it but it does feel weird to have the two accents next to eachother to compare. it's also really hard to make American slang sound good when you're British lol. also I have trouble distinguishing between different American accents, they all kind of blend together, whereas British accents are really obviously different for me

In the UK, at least me and those who I know, find that an American accent in our shows is really weird, but in American shows its English accents that sound weird. So I reckon its just whatever accent is singled out, even if its your own accent, it'll sound weird? Also I think similarly to how a bit of the toymaker's power remained in the giggle when 15 used it to hammer out a new tardis, some of Maestro's power was left over and made everyone sing and dance. If thats the case then hopefully it means no more musicals unless Maestro is involved again - which I'd probably be alright with cus its part of their power set and has an in universe explaination! It'd also be really cool for future episodes to incorporate it, with eps where a god is defeated leading to a special moment at the end specifically related to the god of that episode's power. PS love Alyssa pronouncing his name as Christoful - he's the wonderful Christoful Eccleston!

The tragedy of Christopher Eccelston is gut wrenching. He got burned by the big wigs at the BBC, who black listed him, saying he was a diva and "he was too tired" to keep going. Fun trivia; this is the meta context for the Harriet Jones scene in the Christmas Invasion, where Ten destroyed her career by saying "doesn't she look tired?" They literally kicked the man while he was down. He was my first, like so many, and he deserved so much better. I miss him all the time 🥺

yesss! this is such a great and interesting review. 💙💙I haven't watched this episode in ages so wouldn't have picked up on any of these great points had you not pointed them out. my special interest is neurodiversity and what you were saying about children's experiences not having needs met and about like the Doctor's faces being sort of like a metaphor for character development with regeneration, when you look at that more closely, it ALL literally is made up of this - the whole show and the whole character of the Doctor is so intrinsically connected to & based on neurodivergence (yet it's never directly acknowledged). and with the "multiple personalities" observation, DID (formerly MPD) is the impact of trauma! it's the body's way of trying to hide the traumatic memories from itself and others in order to protect itself. I'm not sure the Doctor would be an accurate representation of DID in itself, but that stood out to me as an interesting reflection - and I think there are definitely aspects of dissociation handled and explored with the Doctor's experiences and character arcs and his overall life. the processing of trauma is not only neurodivergent in itself, but also I think this particular experience of trauma comes from a neurodivergent perspective, especially seeing as neurodivergent people are more likely to be subjected to trauma and face injustice - there is a lot of overlap. I believe this is why Doctor Who resonates so closely with many neurodivergent people. the way it handles grief is so reminiscent of how us humans struggle to process that too, and it's beautiful. (Torchwood is constructed with this in mind too, also Torchwood is practically if ADHD was a show lol)

This is your best review yet in my opinion. Profound commentary. This episode is one of my favourites actually, as you say, very underrated. And incredibly well shot as well might I add, one of the most visually impressive episodes of the whole show even 12 years later

Great review! You have some real wisdom. Personally, I’ve always really liked this episode.

First comment, just want to set the tone: I'm glad you all voiced your feelings on the political undertones of this episode and could relate them to your own experience today. There will almost certainly be people who comment to give you hell about it, but don't take that shit. Speaking your truth is what America is all about, and injecting life lessons into entertainment is what Doctor Who is about! Keep up the great work and suffer no fools 💯

You ask for our theories, this is my own secret story rather than a theory. I like to think that 11 told his rebel flesh double to save himself to the sonic because he was identical to the Doctor and would go back and get it then upload it to the library as a way of saving him. That way River would essentially have the Doctor with her always. I’ve never seen this idea put forward, but it seemed such an obvious potential plot line that could one day be picked up, otherwise why include it? I’m just an old romantic lady, and still remember watching the very first episode back in 1963. It’s been a theme throughout my life and dreams for 60 years.

You guys mentioned watching Classic Dr Who for this episode, I think you'd really like Spearhead from Space or City of Death, they're both really good episodes of the original show but I don't know if you can access them easily in America

Hate to break your heart 💔 but in the name of the Doctor, the data ghost of River Song from this episode shows up and confirms to Clara that no, the doctor NEVER came back... And it is implied it has been a long, long, lonely time for her