This serial has some of the most beautiful, near-Shakespearean quality dialogue in the history of the show. Where is Nimrod's soliloquy? "At the season when ice floods swamped the pasturelands, we hearded the mammoths sunwards to find new grazing. Wise men cast bones to make hunting magic and spoke with the voice of the Burning One. Now, the wild world is lost in a desert of smoke and straight lines. There is smoke thickening. But light will return." That might be the most wonderful speech in all the franchise.
@@MKR5210 Marc Platt is actually quite a well respected writer and has worked with Hinchcliffe in recent years. Obviously he's not as revered or celebrated as people like Davies, Moffat or Gatiss.
@4:34-4:46 A list of things that the Doctor hates besides Daleks: • burned toast, • bus stations, ("terrible places full of lost luggage and lost souls") • unrequited love
my one contribution to doctor who is Ace's hair. When I met JNT, at a convention, he loved my hair in a French braid, after that con Ace had her hair in a french braid.
Ghost Light reminds me of the first Resident Evil on the PlayStation. A beautiful but creepy mansion with multiple floors and hidden rooms, zombie-like husks lurking in the basement, and people crawling out of the woodwork at 6pm -- all being watched by stuffed animals and eerie trophies in every room. This is the type of story where I don't need to know what's going on in order to enjoy it. The performances (overall) are very strong, the soundtrack is delicious, the characters are interesting, the setting is glorious, and the story contains some of the nastiest deaths in Doctor Who history. My only criticism of Ghost Light is the first confrontation with light. Apparently, the team were meant to edit some effects into the scene (hence Sylvester is acting like there's some sort of struggle while he raises his fist), but they didn't go through with the post-production, so it looks like Sylvester is doing some hilarious facial exercises for no reason at all. Apart from that, great performances all-round.
This is a fantastic story and a great one together with Battlefield, The Curse Of Fenric & Survival. Originally this story was going to be about the Doctor, Gallifrey, his family and how Families worked on Gallifrey. And while that would be quite the reveal and kinda awesome. My glad they didn’t but it would be nice if they slipped in a clue or a hint of those original ideas. Though most of them are probably in Lungbarrow.
4:52 - 6:06 I understand why The Doctor tricked Ace into returning to the old mansion she set on fire and destroyed. He was forcing Ace to face the demon her past.
This last era of classic Who focuses really heavily on themes. This "confusing" story alone, behind the veil of "not making sense", touches upon critiques of colonialism, classism, Social Darwinism, the regressive attempt at the rather conservative "Victorian value" revival and an anti-Thatcher message just like most stories in that era. Almost every line has some esoteric symbolism in it, which is something the entertaining modern series barely ever attempts to do (consider, when people say NuWho is too "political" I think what most of them mean is, it's too blatantly political, too unsubtle that it loses some kind of aesthetics and enigma --- e.g. the Zygon speech)
I completely agree. Doctor Who has always been extremely political, but there's a difference between a story which cleverly deconstructs nostalgia as a means to forget or paper over institutional racism (Remembrance of the Daleks) and soapbox speech-making about racism (Rosa). Nothing *inherently* wrong with the latter, it's just really hard to make it interesting.
@@Woesteinvuir I LOVED Rosa, one of the strongest stories in that season, although it felt a bit more like Quantum Leap than Doctor Who. It was the environmental message in Praxeus and the gun control message in Arachnids in the UK I found too heavy handed, both are important subjects which Who would have been ideal to cover (a bit like Star Trek) but they were too clumsily executed making them too preachy rather than nuanced.
@@star_man I have to say, I thought Rosa was far, far better on second viewing. It really touched me, and is a fantastic testament to the BBC's diversity policy. Some will see it as political correctness, others see it as the difference between being progressive, and talking progressively. Either way it's something the show should always be when it can. I also love Arachnids In The U.K. The gun control message there felt to me more like a running joke than an out-and-out theme so I think it worked very well. Praxeus I need to see again but I do remember it being clunky.
I take Peterson's point of view on the matter. Human beings inherently like stories because that is how they understand the world around them. Speeches can sometimes be fine things, but without a narrative they're sometimes psychologically empty. Everyone I know likes the answer to the question "why am I right?". They especially like it when it's in union with: "What should I do next?". But nobody, I think, likes just to be told what to do. That's meaningless without context. The difference between traditional societies and liberal societies is not freedom of speech or irreligion or science. Liberalism even has a narrative, like any tradition. But its narrative is that context and narrative ought to be made by the lone individual without compulsion or coercion (or even correction).
The extended cut on the recent blu Ray is much better. A damn shame it’s only a ‘work print’ as the broadcast quality deleted scenes weren’t retained by the BBC. If any story needs an extended version to shine as the writer intended it then it’s this one
This one might be more of a mercy as “Ghost Light” is incredibly complicated so getting the bare-bones of what needs focused on the most could work in peoples’ favor. I’ve only just started the story and I’m super confused. Lol
Foreman Pictures Yeah. It was supposed to be four parts of I remember reading that correctly. Idk if I’ll watch it enough times to fully understand it. It’s a McCoy story and those only so much of those you can take. Lol
If you do an hour you would give it more Justice and it would play out a lot better but not too bad but an hour would be better at minimum thank you hope you continue DW forever
And this is why Ace left the Doctor and who can blame her. One of the character flaws of the 7th Doctor is that he was a planner who manipulated people and I think he realized it in the end.
Watched the shortened clip earlier today and just finished watching the entire 3 episodes, and I can tell you that neither make any sense. Marc Platt, the writer, also wrote the stories "Rise of the Cybermen" and “The Age of Steel", both of which were pretty involved but in my opinion much better stories.
@@ShameleonFactor He's referring to this: "After the original series' cancellation, Platt wrote multiple tie-in novels for Virgin Publishing, and later would become a regular writer for Big Finish Productions. Among his most famous productions was the audio Doctor Who drama Spare Parts, which told the origin of the Cybermen. The story was later the inspiration for the 2006 Doctor Who television story "Rise of the Cybermen"/"The Age of Steel", written by Tom MacRae, for which Platt received a thanks in the end credits and a fee." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Platt_(writer)
No, before members of the audience like someone in this _Comment Section_ became so nitpicky and pretentious about a simple fictional show with just a faint semblance of coherence... I guess outraging about a tv show with no factual repercussion on reality (expect for those directly invested in the concrete realization on the series itself) has become a new olympic sport, nowdays...
It hit peak pantomime in 1986-87 (Colin Baker's last season and McCoy's first). Under the increasing influence of Andrew Cartmel it was moving away from panto in the last couple of seasons before it was axed.
I used to dislike j n t but given the drek coming out of Cardiff these days I have given him a new look and have a new appreciation. Unlike Chibnal j n t had a real grasp of what made the show so great.
Whoever thought of compressing Ghost Light - one of Doctor Who's most confusing stories - down to 21 minutes is an absolute madman
No, a genius.
And much like the Doctor,@@leahhelman4817and @ChickenBond2,absolutely 💯% both.
more so those who chose to watch it, like you, my paid commentator fren
This serial has some of the most beautiful, near-Shakespearean quality dialogue in the history of the show.
Where is Nimrod's soliloquy? "At the season when ice floods swamped the pasturelands, we hearded the mammoths sunwards to find new grazing. Wise men cast bones to make hunting magic and spoke with the voice of the Burning One. Now, the wild world is lost in a desert of smoke and straight lines. There is smoke thickening. But light will return."
That might be the most wonderful speech in all the franchise.
How utterly pitiful and sad that this cartoon primary school level Dr Who is held so high in your estimation 🤦
@karenrumney5210 - well _that’s_ a mighty fine remark for someone from the IQunder50 brigade, _KAREN_ 😂
@@MKR5210 Marc Platt is actually quite a well respected writer and has worked with Hinchcliffe in recent years. Obviously he's not as revered or celebrated as people like Davies, Moffat or Gatiss.
@4:34-4:46
A list of things that the Doctor hates besides Daleks:
• burned toast,
• bus stations, ("terrible places full of lost luggage and lost souls")
• unrequited love
my one contribution to doctor who is Ace's hair. When I met JNT, at a convention, he loved my hair in a French braid, after that con Ace had her hair in a french braid.
Awesome!
When the Doctor is at gun point in every episode:
Yeah the TV movie being the last
The Greasy Pickadillo What about from 2005 onwards? He’s had many guns constantly pointed at him since the 90s.
The Orange Ace I’m talking about the seventh doctor
The Greasy Pickadillo Ah. Okay. Lol
Oooh Ghost Light. Best one of Season 26 and one of the 7th Doctor’s finest tales.
Ace will always be my favourite companion
This was one of my favorite stories ever. The Seventh Doctor at his finest. It's a story told by everything you need to read between the lines.
I'm liking these truncated episodes. They will help the newer generations get into classic Who.
@SpaceChimp77 where
@@oscarkrikman1470 Dailymotion
@@oscarkrikman1470britbox has the whole series
This unfunny joke of a fcuking clown is not now nor will ever be "classic" Dr Who.
He was infact the death knell of the series 🤬
I've been into classic who since I was like 5 year old bud
Ghost Light reminds me of the first Resident Evil on the PlayStation. A beautiful but creepy mansion with multiple floors and hidden rooms, zombie-like husks lurking in the basement, and people crawling out of the woodwork at 6pm -- all being watched by stuffed animals and eerie trophies in every room.
This is the type of story where I don't need to know what's going on in order to enjoy it. The performances (overall) are very strong, the soundtrack is delicious, the characters are interesting, the setting is glorious, and the story contains some of the nastiest deaths in Doctor Who history.
My only criticism of Ghost Light is the first confrontation with light. Apparently, the team were meant to edit some effects into the scene (hence Sylvester is acting like there's some sort of struggle while he raises his fist), but they didn't go through with the post-production, so it looks like Sylvester is doing some hilarious facial exercises for no reason at all. Apart from that, great performances all-round.
This is a fantastic story and a great one together with Battlefield, The Curse Of Fenric & Survival.
Originally this story was going to be about the Doctor, Gallifrey, his family and how Families worked on Gallifrey. And while that would be quite the reveal and kinda awesome. My glad they didn’t but it would be nice if they slipped in a clue or a hint of those original ideas. Though most of them are probably in Lungbarrow.
LOOMS ARE CANON
@Dawn Soisson I agree yes they are.
@@dawnsoisson3140 aren't those just in a novel? Or were they in a tv episode?
I just finished watching the ghost light disc from the season 26 box set yesterday. What an intriguing and inspired story!
It's my favourite in terms of atmosphere and dialogue. Beautiful story.
Great story, but also has two of the nastiest deaths in all of Doctor Who.
"The cream of Scotland Yard" - grim stuff. A weird, wonderful and baffling story.
‘Well, sir, on first sighting the policeman, I naturally started drinking him. That’s my style, sir.’
4:52 - 6:06 I understand why The Doctor tricked Ace into returning to the old mansion she set on fire and destroyed. He was forcing Ace to face the demon her past.
Because she wasn't willing to do it on her own. Her shame and fear held her back.
I quite liked Aces 'shameless wantons'....
One of 7’s best episodes in my opinion
KingPanther 707 I was always confused by this episode, it never made any sense to me but I still love it
The Greasy Pickadillo agreed
@@PitchSkullBlack Definitely needed another episode to fully flesh it out.
This was actually the last classic Doctor Who episode to be produced. (Not the last to air, the last one they produced before the hiatus)
I love how this story has a bizarre mixture of high-concept aliens and incredibly confused Victorians.
And Sir Henry Simmerson in the middle of it.
When I see Ace in that dinner suit I hear Taco’s version of Putting On The Ritz in my head.
I think that she would be the Doctor.
The final classic Who story to actually be recorded...
Ghost Light one favorite episodes from Sly McCoy period. The characters of evolution. primates, the Butler; and Control were fascinating.
One of the best Doctor Who episodes, once understood.
"once understood" that applies equally to all DRW eps
Utter garbage....this ridiculous clown was never Dr Who which is why the series ended with his appallingly inept performances!!!
Even at the full runtime this one's hard to get your head around.
Hope they do this for all the Doctor Who stories! Doesn't replace watching the whole thing, but it gives me a bit of a fix when I'm at work!
7th doctor the only doctor fierce enough to be face to face with a gun like almost every episode
AND YET HE DIED TO A GUN IN THE BLOODY MOOVIIEEE 😂
Like a train wreck, no matter how much I want to look away and I just can't. I now want all of the episodes.
6:23 I can feel bowlestrek's rage
🤣
Ha ha
Take all the rage out of Bowlestrek and you could fit him in a matchbox.
Is there anyone more pathetic on the entire Internet?!
ftumschk wait what do you mean by that? sorry i’m being completely dim
The soundtrack of this episode is one of my favorites.
Mark Ayres is very underrated. I bet he was seriously pissed off that he was never asked back for the 2005 revival.
0:31 Nice shirt, Ace!
Stitch this Dracula- ace
Prove it then
Stitch this mate-
Jackie
one of my fav doctors
The last thing this story needs is a cut down version. Release the full unedited version including suggestive pillowfight!
@Joe Horrell Or just release the pillowfight to some appropriate music.
‘Well, sir, on first sighting the creepy alien light, I naturally went insane. That’s my style, sir.’
This last era of classic Who focuses really heavily on themes. This "confusing" story alone, behind the veil of "not making sense", touches upon critiques of colonialism, classism, Social Darwinism, the regressive attempt at the rather conservative "Victorian value" revival and an anti-Thatcher message just like most stories in that era. Almost every line has some esoteric symbolism in it, which is something the entertaining modern series barely ever attempts to do (consider, when people say NuWho is too "political" I think what most of them mean is, it's too blatantly political, too unsubtle that it loses some kind of aesthetics and enigma --- e.g. the Zygon speech)
I completely agree. Doctor Who has always been extremely political, but there's a difference between a story which cleverly deconstructs nostalgia as a means to forget or paper over institutional racism (Remembrance of the Daleks) and soapbox speech-making about racism (Rosa). Nothing *inherently* wrong with the latter, it's just really hard to make it interesting.
@@Woesteinvuir I LOVED Rosa, one of the strongest stories in that season, although it felt a bit more like Quantum Leap than Doctor Who. It was the environmental message in Praxeus and the gun control message in Arachnids in the UK I found too heavy handed, both are important subjects which Who would have been ideal to cover (a bit like Star Trek) but they were too clumsily executed making them too preachy rather than nuanced.
@@star_man I have to say, I thought Rosa was far, far better on second viewing. It really touched me, and is a fantastic testament to the BBC's diversity policy. Some will see it as political correctness, others see it as the difference between being progressive, and talking progressively. Either way it's something the show should always be when it can.
I also love Arachnids In The U.K. The gun control message there felt to me more like a running joke than an out-and-out theme so I think it worked very well. Praxeus I need to see again but I do remember it being clunky.
I take Peterson's point of view on the matter. Human beings inherently like stories because that is how they understand the world around them. Speeches can sometimes be fine things, but without a narrative they're sometimes psychologically empty.
Everyone I know likes the answer to the question "why am I right?". They especially like it when it's in union with: "What should I do next?". But nobody, I think, likes just to be told what to do. That's meaningless without context.
The difference between traditional societies and liberal societies is not freedom of speech or irreligion or science. Liberalism even has a narrative, like any tradition. But its narrative is that context and narrative ought to be made by the lone individual without compulsion or coercion (or even correction).
No idea what was going on but i still really enjoyed it
The extended cut on the recent blu Ray is much better. A damn shame it’s only a ‘work print’ as the broadcast quality deleted scenes weren’t retained by the BBC. If any story needs an extended version to shine as the writer intended it then it’s this one
Anything significant in the cut footage to add additional clarity to the plot?
Confession - the seventh Doctor looks better without his hat
Begone demon! 😈 ✝️
I never till this instant noticed the homages to Arsenic And Old Lace in this episode.
This was such a good serial. 💜
Great episode. Thanks for posting
Hello BBC I LOVE CLSSIC WHO
The next doctor has to be Sean Pertwee, Jon Pertwee (3rd doctor's) son.
I'd be up for that. I've always thought Sean Pertwee is a pretty good actor.
Another cut down, hmm.
This one might be more of a mercy as “Ghost Light” is incredibly complicated so getting the bare-bones of what needs focused on the most could work in peoples’ favor. I’ve only just started the story and I’m super confused. Lol
The Orange Ace I tried to watch it. A few times in full, what a bloody confusing story it is! 😂
Foreman Pictures Yeah. It was supposed to be four parts of I remember reading that correctly. Idk if I’ll watch it enough times to fully understand it. It’s a McCoy story and those only so much of those you can take. Lol
The Orange Ace Indeed, quite the difficult process, watching a McCoy story! :-)
About time, when is the curse of fenric
If you do an hour you would give it more Justice and it would play out a lot better but not too bad but an hour would be better at minimum thank you hope you continue DW forever
erm
when is anybody going to mention the fact that this video was/is/will be published 11 days in the future?
RUclips HAS OBTAINED THE TARDIS
Oh look it Lord Simmerson.
Sean Pertwee should be the next doctor and should have an updated 3rd doctor look like Peter Capaldi did.
Sick 👍🏻
Sir Henry simmerson, in Dr Who😊😊😊
Very weird, but a good story
And this is why Ace left the Doctor and who can blame her. One of the character flaws of the 7th Doctor is that he was a planner who manipulated people and I think he realized it in the end.
A master piece of work Christmas cake ingredient in time
Today is my 36th birthday (Born July 23rd 1984).
We share the same birthday only I was born in 1981
@@wolflover6268 3 years older.
@@danielwilliamson6180 yes that's right Ace was always the best companion when I watched doctor who
@@wolflover6268 Mine is Amy Pond.
The quality is so dark and certainly not HD 1080p
Yes a video a 7th doctor story
Originally intended for it to be a 4 part story
I think i prefer the 3 part format for 7s stories, makes it feel more like new who in its fast pace
Will this story make anymore sense at 21 minutes than it did at 75?
Watched the shortened clip earlier today and just finished watching the entire 3 episodes, and I can tell you that neither make any sense. Marc Platt, the writer, also wrote the stories "Rise of the Cybermen" and “The Age of Steel", both of which were pretty involved but in my opinion much better stories.
This is a kino story
Collinator 12345 Tom MacRae wrote Rise of the Cybermen/The Age of Steel
@@ShameleonFactor He's referring to this: "After the original series' cancellation, Platt wrote multiple tie-in novels for Virgin Publishing, and later would become a regular writer for Big Finish Productions. Among his most famous productions was the audio Doctor Who drama Spare Parts, which told the origin of the Cybermen. The story was later the inspiration for the 2006 Doctor Who television story "Rise of the Cybermen"/"The Age of Steel", written by Tom MacRae, for which Platt received a thanks in the end credits and a fee." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Platt_(writer)
this doctor reminds me of rowan atkinson a bit
If Ace fears Ghosts, she shouldn’t watch Shed 17.
Who else spotted the schoolboy editing mistake when light first appeard
Bog Breath !
Simmerson!
im guessing this is just one part of a whole story?
"Wot?"
Before BBC and Cipnuts screwed the hell of Doctor Who.
No, before members of the audience like someone in this _Comment Section_ became so nitpicky and pretentious about a simple fictional show with just a faint semblance of coherence...
I guess outraging about a tv show with no factual repercussion on reality (expect for those directly invested in the concrete realization on the series itself) has become a new olympic sport, nowdays...
Hey, all the Doctor Who The Collection Season 14 in Australia have been bought by scalpers. Can you please release some more stock?
Doctor Who in the 80s tried to tackle some very serious issues of the time, but suffered from the pantomime-like execution.
It hit peak pantomime in 1986-87 (Colin Baker's last season and McCoy's first). Under the increasing influence of Andrew Cartmel it was moving away from panto in the last couple of seasons before it was axed.
I used to dislike j n t but given the drek coming out of Cardiff these days I have given him a new look and have a new appreciation. Unlike Chibnal j n t had a real grasp of what made the show so great.
noice
Orrible Arris from porridge
No, that was Ronald Lacey, who was never in Doctor Who.
You'd think this was a CLASSIC Who channel. Guess Chibnall Who really doesn't sell. xD
They’re releasing clips to promote the classic who blu Ray boxsets
@@EditedAF987 I guess. But only 1 of the last 78 videos have been promoting the current Chibnall era.
Blue Planet because series 12 has finished and there’s nothing left to post on that era at the moment
what absolute balderdash is this, and why is Tom Stoppard playing the ghost of Christmas future?
h
Fire Chibnall and Jodie
I hate hate hate these. Butchering Doctor Who stories. This should be made illegal. And I'm only partly joking!
Shut up and go and complain about something else. It’s not butchering anything. It’s just a shortened version.
Tenth to comment😇