10 Movie Franchises That Destroyed Themselves With ONE Decision
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I'd add that PG-13 also massively hurt Die Hard and Robocop.
I think what kill Die Hard was more John McClane becoming a generic action movie superhero instead of a badass everyday cop at the wrong place at the wrong time with an attittude. But not being violent enough definitively hurt Robocop.
Expendables 3
The unrated cut of Die Hard 4 is better, but I still like the rated version too.
That is not the fault of the directors and writers, that is the fault of the MPAA. The MPAA rate the films and decide who should be seeing them at what age. Other countries have their own ratings systems too and they could give such lovelies their equivalent of the r rating. The R rating is not a certificate of ensured quality
@@Reudze He stopped being in the wrong place at the wrong time in the 3rd Die Hard movie though.
I adore Rachel's performance as Evie in the first two, "Mummy," movies, and I simply can't imagine anyone else portraying that character. I'm glad I've never had the misfortune of watching the third installment in the franchise.
I saw the third one in theaters, and I really don't remember a single thing other than the new Evie reveal.
@@IsaacCS I think I remember the ending, where they set up the possibility to remove almost all remaining main actors from the first two movies for the fourth movie.
Agreed and same. I love 1 and 2, I refused to watch 3.
I did not know until just now that Fraser was in Dragon Emperor. I thought it was all new characters.
PG-fying an R -rated franchise is guaranteed to kill it.
yet with Die Hard, the series died when they went back to Rated R ;)
@bikkiikun or doing the opposite, adultifying a kids show
didn't they do that for deadpool tho...
@@edwardness7497 did they? I think deadpool 2 is sicker and contains more bad language and action than 1?
there were 2 versions of the sequel released...
Trust me, not having Will Smith in it is not the reason Independence Day 2 sucked.
Its one of the reasons
It was also dull as dishwater
The main reason, IMO, was that they spent far too much focus on out-destroying 2012 and forgot to put in an actual story.
It was one of the reason until I couldn't stand Will Smith anymore. There was a time when he almost could do no wrong but now if he's acting I'll skip it.
To be fair if he was really asking 50 million for a sequel to movie that was made ten years prior I would have cut him out as well. To be fair to Will, if he did ask this price, the original made so much money it wasn't that egregious a price to ask for, but no one at the studio could be sure or predict that the sequel would have the same level of success, especially the gap in time between movies.
10. 0:54 Killing John Connor - Terminator
9. 2:03 Recasting Evelyn - The Mummy
8. 2:59 Waiting too long to make the sequel - Sin City
7. 4:17 Ditching Will Smith - Independence Day
6. 5:27 Actually showing the Blair Witch - Blair Witch
5. 6:38 Refusing to let go of the past - Star Wars
4. 7:44 Going meta - Gremlins
3. 8:56 Oversaturating the market - The Lego Movie
2. 10:11 Going PG-13 - The Expendables
1. 11:09 Repeatedly rehiring Simon Kinberg - X-Men
Take note people. Do this ☝
That wasnt the Blair Witch in that movie the creators confirmed this
You didn't put Sin City on #8
I disagree. I actually liked thw Lego movies and would love to see more as long as they go with continuity
All i meant by my comment is that i appreciate when people do the timestamps on videos like this. It makes things easier and saves time
And yet, the Sharknado series never lost the promise of the first movie.
Be real, with a title like Sharknado we all knew what we were getting ourselves into
I'm surprised that "Sharknado" became a big thing because in my experience, when filmmakers who don't know what they're doing, yet takes the project seriously are the ones who create "so bad they're great" crapsterpieces. When someone starts off w/the idea they're gonna make the next "Manos The Hand Of Fate", they're gonna end up w/a garden variety forgettably bad movie. The magic comes from folks who just plain think they're geniouses while they're actually not & soldier on.
Hay who doesnt like a good shark movie just not the last one
It’s a funny thing
Sharknado does not try, therefore it cannot fail
Too funny!! Lmao
Mummy: Dragon Emperor was so dull, I walked out after about half and hour and snuck into another screen to watch Dark Knight for the 4th time. It was the correct decision
I did the same, and snuck into Mamma Mia...And that STILL WAS THE BETTER DECISION!
I've snuck into endgame when watching hellboy LMAO
Lucky u 😁
the movie did so bad that I didn't even know there was a third Mummy movie lol
I have very fond memories of the 2 first Mummy movies. However I can't remember almost anything about the third except that it was bad. So bad that I've removed all memories of it :D
Men in Black..also getting rid of a will smith and Tommy Lee Jones.
I’ll give that mib international wasn’t the worst out of them, the third one was okay with josh brolin filling the shoes of K, the story and plot for mib 4 was very loose and slap stick just like all of them are, and Tessa Thompson and Chris Haimsworth worked well together they have good chemistry on screen.
And the plot was original she finds them, she was smart and tried to work any government job, she figures out where they are located, she sneaks in than they hire her and send her to London, and wackiness ensues and they save the day.
Plus the mib movies became owned by marvel, marvel bought out Malibu comics, when it aired on Netflix the changed the opening credits for the first movie and if you are smart pause the movie and you will see it, so if you have a copy on dvd or if your feeling really old vhs pop in your copy and confirm the facts.
Was the 4th one as good as the others? No but nothing can be as good as the original.
That was a good idea not using them for the spin off but at least let one Cameo in the movie
@@BelmontClan brolin was fantastic as a young Kay. Problem was putting a women into the main cast to to tick a box. Didn’t work.
@@TheSteven123321bbgbg Are you referring to Tessa Thompson in mib4?
@@BelmontClan awful decision
I love Gremlins 2 more than the original.
me too, and I'm glad they didn't make any more. don't touch my childhood, Hollywood!
The talking Gremlin was so funny.
@@kokosan09 no no no
@@nagash303 no no no
That's a bad opinion no no no
I’m surprised you didn’t mention Fantastic Beasts... retconning character histories from the HP books to shoehorn the more famous characters into a backdoor prequel instead of the original Newt stories they promised.
What killed that franchise for me was the reveal at the end of the first movie, when they turned Collin Farrel (who had played a great villain to this point) into Johnny Depp. The second movie was just continuing that path.
They’re still in the process of killing that franchise as it’s getting another movie. Actually it’s already dead, they just keep hitting it.
I think the title ruined it, I mis-read it as "Fantastic Breasts and where to Find Them" and never really recovered.
what I hated most about Fantastic beasts is taking a fun premise like looking for fantastical creatures and turn it into a dark, convoluted lore-mess ...
Because It's not for everyone.
Believe me, the biggest problem of Star Wars is not about stucking with the past.
The references and characters of the past were the only tolerable parts of the movies.
*Sticking*
It might have something to do with pissing all over the legacy, bad acting, terrible plots, and really bad choices, but what do I know.
Facts the history of star wars was literally ignored by Rian Johnson, so this list is no longer valid lol
@@Dannydarko27 was this list valid in the first place?
Yeah, Star Wars didn't belong on the list, as it was a series of bad decisions. The closest it gets to a single bad decision killing it is to have Luke seriously consider killing the son of his sister and best friend/brother-in-law. I get that it was brief and he realized it was wrong, but this is the same guy who believed Darth Vader still had good in him. The almost naive optimism was a central tenet of the character. Doing a 180 like that would take a lot of time and stellar writing to make work, not one quick, less than 5 minute flashback sequence (I am not saying it cannot be done, but you have to absolutely NAIL it, or it will backfire horribly).
I would like to enter into evidence “Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.”
god ,yes
Nuke the Fridge!
So bad they’re making another to try and erase it from memory.
@@AngelicusImmortus Just like the third Highlander movie was an apology for the second.
The decision that ruined that franchise was giving a yes to a 4th movie.
what they did to the x-men series is a crime against humanity
@Nina de B what are you referring to as “wokeness”?
Thank you for including mutants as humanity.
@Karsyn zzstu Beauchamp it should've ended with Deadpool 3
@@jamespope7669 There was a Deadpool 3?
@@TheRazorTongue not really wokeness more like shitty ness
I think the failure of the star wars movies was the character assassination of beloved characters, the trilogy not having any cohesion, no character arcs/muddled character arcs to name a few. I agree that the rise of skywalkers decisions to bring back the emperor was ridiculous and that film was a complete mess. The force awakens and the last jedi boxed the last film into a corner, by making rey too powerful and defeating kylo the first time she picked up a lightsabre took away any of the stakes and made kylo being able to kill snoke whilst he totally dominated rey seem implausible and out of nowhere. So the rise of skywalker then had no feasible villain capable of threatening rey. All in all a massive waste of potential.
The biggest mistake was selling to Disney
Your confusing EU canon for movies, the sequel trilogy is very consistent with the original trilogy BUT not EU.
For instance are we forgetting the last time Luke interacts with a Lightsaber in Return of the Jedi is he flings it away? People were surprised by Last Jedi because they didn’t understand the original movies. Luke does end the original trilogy as a somewhat defeated man, he’s slinking away from the celebrations because he’s more focused on losing the Father he searched for all this time.
Luke being disenfranchised is literally how we left him in Return of the Jedi, anyone who doesn’t see that missed the entire concept that those movies were about a boy learning to realise the mentors (Obi-Wan and Yoda) and Father he idolised were failures
@@Freshie207 Well it's a movie and as any piece of art everyone can understand it in it's own way. I mean as I remember Return of the Jedi - Luke eventually joins everyone on a celebration and see the spirits of all his mentors and his Father, which are pretty happy and peaceful. And he himself is happy and peaceful, as he brought long waited peace to his Father and basically the whole galaxy. And his tossing his saber away isn't the symbol of his defeat. On the contrary it's a symbol of his victory as he refused to be dominated by his anger and defy Emperor. So as you can see - I see the ending in the opposite way
I believe that StarWars still has much potential but your points are solid. They could make movies about the past (Darth Revan) but they limit themselfs to the "movie timeframe". Lets hope they have a open mind going forward!
Rey was able to defeat Kylo in TFA because he was injured, and he wasn't trying to kill her: he wanted the lightsaber and wanted her to join him.
Still a mess though.
Fox let that dude touch the X-Men franchsie 4 times. The one time he didn't mess it up probably had nothing to do with him.
When Highlander 2 decided to make the Highlanders from another planet-
When Lucas decided to introduce Midichlorians
to be fair, Highlander survived that awful sequel. But it never recovered after the fourth film, which killed off Connor and tried to spinoff films of the TV series.
@@DarrenJSeeley To be even more fair, Highlander should have never even got a sequel.
If you never saw Highlander the source, be grateful. Manages to make Highlander 2 look like a multi Oscar winner, back when people still cared about Oscars. It's one of the few films I genuinely hate with every fibre of my being.
Watching Ramirez hit on the Virginia on the plane was best part of Highlander 2. The rest was terrible
@@andrewbyrne2173 maybe it’s just me, but I liked Highlander: Endgame. I consider that the true ending to the Highlander saga, with Connor passing the torch to Duncan due to Duncan being the weaker Immortal and thus having more potential for a greater power boost to defeat Kell. Highlander: The Source, on the other hand...I agree with you on that. One of the worst movies I have ever seen. Even the creators literally said “that was a bad dream Duncan had”.
Your implied tolerance of Johnson's Star Wars contributions debases you.
Agreed
Seconded
Disrespecting the originals and beloved characters for the sake of the franchise taking a new direction is the fastest way to kill a franchise. The Star Wars and Terminator franchises are perfect examples.
Add JJ's Star Trek (2009) and it's sequels to it as well. Only benefit that series had was Anton Yelchin's Chekhov was more believable than the original (due to Yelchin actually being Russian. RIP Anton. This Trekie wishes they never recast Chekhov again)
Last of us 2 too
They just wanted the quick buck and the cheap nostalgia thrill. Lamentable. They didn't have to hang on to the past. They just didn't know how to move on. They should've left the originals and so called beloved characters where they were tbh. They never should've brought them back in the first place. Doesn't mean it's direspectful to try and take a new direction.
What did Star Wars do ?
Like are u talking about ep 1-3 or 7-9 ?
Number 5:wrong it was killing the past in TLJ that lead them to be desperate enough to resurrect palpatine in the first place
Last Jedi isn’t about killing the past, most audiences just have low media literacy.
Only Kylo says the let the past die and apparently audiences were not smart enough to see this statement is IRONIC, all he ever does is try to reestablish the status quo of the empire, follow in the footsteps of Vader, and most importantly whine about mentors Han, Snoke and Luke.
Luke’s whole storyline is actually about redeeming the Jedi (because their the most iconic part of the brand), since the Prequels unambiguously argue their a bunch of cunts who are responsible for the Vader and the Empire through their Hubris.
The whole point of the movie is to reset the audiences perception of the Jedi, unfortunately most people don’t get the Prequels or the Originals and thus didn’t get Last Jedi either
TLJ wasn't great at all, but man I started to appreciate it after I watched the last movie. Goddamit it is stupid from start to finish. Without mentioning that someone has to teach Palpatine to cancel cast of his lightning and stop killing himself. Dumb old man.
The problem was that Dysney switched directors all way long and seems that they didn't even had the solid vision of how the movies should look like. Without any overall plotline through the whole trilogy. Characters from the movie constantly forget the events of the previous ones, without even mentioning how they reduced to zero all the events of the previous movies with this dumb First Order. What was the point of winning the war against Empire if they just have the First Order which is even mightier than the Empire? Why didn't new republic wage war against it? And tons and tons of other questions. That + the fact that they simply didn't have good script and didn't have the balls to go into the new field with bald direction, and most importantly - at least see this trilogy through the end to show overall picture, plus a lot of dumb characters who made awesome just... because, I suppose. All that resulted in what we have now
Blues Brothers 2000, A Good Day To Die Hard, Cannonball Run II, Smokey and the Bandit III, Superman IV and Batman & Robin are just a few examples.
Superman 3 & Batman Forever actually...
@@whaddyathink949 I depends how you look at it. Batman Forever actually succeeded financially where Batman Returns failed (hence the reasoning behind the change into a more campy tone) Batman Returns is regarded more highly by fans and critics, but disappointed box office and merchandise wise.
The Chronicles of Naria franchise waited too long between The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe to make Prince Caspian.
When are the other 4 coming out
Wait, I thought it was called the lion, the witch, and the audacity of this bitch
They should go chronologically. Start with Magician's Nephew.
@@alm2187 Those who adopt the book series into tv series or movies always hated The Magician's Nephew. Why though?
It's the copyright and creative differences that entangled the series for so long.
"Independence Day 2" lacked charm?
Jeff Goldblum says "Hello!"
you mean he says "Uhhh he... uhh llo"
Fast & Furious. Taking the main focus from car racing/cars to being a typical over the top action movie
And almost seeming like they made Diesel's character go from fast driving bad guy thief into a XXX character (whose franchise should also be on here too. Since XXX State of the Union was just dumb. No offense to Ice Cube. But in the beginning they simply say Diesel's XXX is killed and they need a new one. Yet in the third he's not dead and then he calls Cube's XXX in the end for help and yadda yadda yada. It was just bad)
Yeah the first 3 movies border on actual good movies, they had actual story and stuff, then they kind of devoled into entertaining but fairly generic action movies. I enjoy them, except for maybe Fate, but really the ammount of actual plot after Tokyo Drift could arguably fit in 1 or 2 movies.
The series makes more sense if you think of it as a DnD campaign in a modern fantasy setting.
you won't make >500 Mio dollars income with care race movie,kiddo.
viewers are mostly normies anyway that like watching things go brrrrrrr
Exactly it should have never made it 8 movies and what was it 2 spin offs the Hobbs and Shaw and the animated show on Netflix.
John was killed first in Gyensis... Ginesys... Gyn... in that movie.
I believe the word you're looking for is 'Genital Herpes', coincidentally something much more fun than that film
It's Genysis, aka Generic Brand Bible pathos.
At least that movie waited until near the end and didn't replace him with a laughably awful new 'savior of humanity'. She didn't look like she could save your seat in a movie theater, much less all of humanity. That whole movie was a joke. They need a new one that erases everything after the second movie. The TV series "Sarah Conner Chronicles" was better than all of them combined.
He was killed in T3 too, but it was off screen.
Will Smith was one of the reasons why the first Independence Day movie was such a success. Fresh Prince just ended, and his movie career was on the rise after Bad Boys. People were excited to see him break out in the movies also his scenes are some of the most popular. Independence Day 2 without him felt so empty.
I wish Will had accepted the role of Neo in The Matrix.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom I haven’t heard any stories about Will Smith expressing regret missing out, but Roland Emmerich the director has stated that he regrets moving forward with the sequel without Will. He said that the script with Captain Hiller included was a much better story and when Will opted out they had to do a rushed re-write.
Will Smith was never the selling point of ID4. The explosions were. (The Super Bowl teaser trailer with the White House exploding... holy shit you had to be there.) However, the movie did make Smith into a megastar, and that status was cemented a year later with Men in Black, when Smith was very much a major focus of the marketing.
...trust me, The Wife Replacement In Mummy 3 wasn’t why that Movie did Badd lol.
It was bland and the son wasnt likeable
@@georgehernandez2156 As well As replaced Also lol .
That was one of the reasons
I actually liked the movie
@@ryangreen6255 You realize, the director is not a Vogon captain standing right in front of you?
You actually think the Star Wars franchise didn’t let go of its past? I think you watched about as much Star Wars as the entire creative team from Disney. Too bad there wasn’t an Extended Universe or a Lucas treatment to use as a productive template.
Problem with star wars was that there wasn't a storyline planned. They introduced stuff in the first movie to either be forgotten in the second or having a horrible resolution (I'm talking about you "SUPREME LEADER") and then the same thing happened to stuff introduced in the second with the third movie...
They had the screenwriter writing the third movie while the second was being filmed. He had no idea what they were doing and where they were going. All he had was a general outline. And it shows.
@@RossM3838 exactly.. communication in makes movies that you want to be connected is essential.
All star wars had to do was create a solid story line, good character development, and just stick to the Skywalker/Solo family line. Jedi Vs Sith, epic space battles, and a few light saber fights. Wash, Rinse, Repeat. Instead, we got bull shyt story lines in the name of diversity, Characters that have nothing to do with the overall plot, and lazy writing!
@@blkhemi3925 and when your central character is Mary Sue who in the name of feminist empowerment or something can do anything, who care what she does?
They did with Star wars exactly what they did with LOST. Setup a bunch of stuff and then start calling audibles based on fan reaction. It always falls apart in the end
I love Gremlins 2. I wish they made The Expendables 4 which would fix all the mistakes from TE3. Also, the Terminator sequels had many mistakes, not just killing John Connor
It wasn't Rian Johnson's vision of Star Wars that was betrayed, it was RJ who betrayed the vision that was originally set before he took on the middle film. The last movie was so horrible because it was trying to fix what was done... unsuccessfully.
Agreed
Very little of Last Jedi contradicts Force Awakens, in fact the leaked script of Duel of the Fates demonstrates it was all part of an extensively planned multimedia project
Both Star Wars Rebels and Fallen Order have tie ins to Duel of the Fates, presumably they couldn’t alter those at last minute.
So No Last Jedi is consistent with Force Awakens and Rise of Skywalker is the weird retcon
@@Freshie207 So JJ created Snoke just to kill him off unceremoniously for no reason in TLJ?
So JJ hinted a relationship between Finn and Ray just for it be ignored for Reylo Skype calls?
Rays parents were no one yet she spent her entire life waiting for them?
Bro even the actors from the damn Series said there was no clear plan...
Hell the biggest victim story wise from TLJ was FINN story arc wise Luke Skywalker as well but that one is more glaring and was actually probably 100% intentional from KK's Lucas Film.
Chris Tucker Oh and as for Reys parents, she’s a lost orphan tired of being alone of course she wants to see her parents again.
Like you have parents right? Do you like them for their function in society/higher narrative OR because they raised you?
“ Reys parents were no one yet she spent her entire life waiting for them?”
Bro that’s such a fucking bizarre statement, you do have FEELINGS right?
@@Freshie207 That is one of Disney's biggest mistakes. They think they can train people to watch every movie, every TV show, read every book and comic to get a whole story but that is not how movies work. If your movie can't tell it's story without relying on other movies, TV shows, etc... then it's a bad movie. Even most trilogies make their parts a whole story with a larger, continuing story as part of it.
The original "Star Wars" movies., "A New Hope" save the Princess get the plans to the Rebellion,. "Empire Strikes Back" the Empire attacks their base, they scatter and try to regroup, "Return of the Jedi" , the Empire is building a new Death Star and they have to destroy it and have a chance to take out the Emperor in the process. The overarching backstory is the Rebellion taking on the Empire and the Empire trying to crush them.
Sure they had books and technical manuals and such but you never had to read them to follow the movies, they were extra. Most people are not going to go along with this idea. It's pure greed and cash grab.
There was even a story, how after one test screening bombed so hard Fox literally passed out a survey asking the audience for advice about what they should do with the X-Men/Fantastic Four movies 😂
Jaws the revenge for making the Shark anthropomorphic
Jaws the Revenge for existing at all.
The last jedi "daring and creative" 🤣🤣🤣
Yet it wasn't "daring and creative" when the Terminator series killed off John Connor. You can really tell who's pocket they're in...
Must be careful whom creative control is given, ask WCW.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 too bad I can only give 1 like. This needs pinned or at least made into a meme. Lol.
Vince Russo runs Star Wars
@@bwestacado9643 Vince Russo would make Jar Jar Binks the most powerful Jedi.
it's too bad because Sin City is one of my all time favorite movies too:/
And the sequel had Eva green boobies 😍
I didn't feel like time was the only problem A Dame to Kill For suffered from. For lack of a better way to put it, I think they tried too hard to make it a sequel to the first movie, instead of an installment that can stand alone, like Miller's original graphic novels. Also, as much as I love Josh Brolin, Clive Owen made the perfect Dwight.
The witch isn’t actually shown in the 2016 version, it’s a stretched out skin suit of one of the characters
I thought it was supposed to be some woman who had stones tied to her arms and legs and was tied to a tree or some shit but yeah definitely not the Blair witch itself
Daring and creative are two terms I wouldn't ever use in relation to tlj.
Lmao same
Stupid and inept would be more accurate.
I would. Critics loved it. Only hurt snowflakes who didn't like the fact their fan theories didn't come to fruition hated it. Most ppl I know loved it. Proved how whiny the Star Wars fandom really was.
@@reyanime Disney Star Wars is a travesty to the name.
If you read anything about Adam Wingard's Blair Witch movie you would know that creature isn't actually the Blair Witch....she was never shown in that movie either.
To be fair no one cared about the Blair with after the first film. It was a one hit idea..as much as there was hype over the first film there wasnt enough plot to make people excited about seeing the story continued,
They've even said this on multiple other lists, the quality is slacking recently imo
Yes, but most general audiences wouldn't know that, nor do I think they would've cared enough to go and look for that information. As for my thoughts on the film, it felt like a retelling of the first one with more shock moments and an added "time manipulation" gimmick. I liked the subtle and ambiguous nature of the first film way better
Also, the thing about the original was that it really wasn't explicitly supernatural, and it asked for interpretation.
But Wingard showed IN THE TRAILER that there were supernatural shenanigans
Yeah, NOBODY read anything about a movie that sucked. Also, IF YOU HAVE TO READ OUTSIDE INFOMATION SO A MOVIE MAKES SENSE IT MEANS ITS SHIT.
Pretty sure they said that wasn’t the Blair witch and just a monster we controlled that was possibly a former victim who’d be mutated.
Exactly. It is heavily hinted to be the main character of the original/ guy from sequel's sister transformed by that thing they describe where people's limbs are stretched. Movie was just ok though
John Morey yeah the movies pretty ehh either way but I still like to believe the idea that they still haven’t shown the witch
Couldn’t do Resurgence due to doing Suicide Squad. Will Smith, look at your life, look at your choices.
Raiders of the Lost Ark. Series Killer: Aliens
It also didn't help that Indy went from being a skeptic to not batting an eye when the really weird and alien stuff came up. Think about it. Raiders he didn't believe the Ark had supernatural connections until it was about to be opened. Temple he didn't believe that the stones had any real powers until he saw a dude get his heart ripped out. Crusade, he didn't really believe any of the stuff about the Grail until he met the ancient knight. But with Skulls it was like, "This is the skull of an alien." "Oh. Okay." None of the pushback we saw in the first three films.
@@Devillin never thought about that; makes complete sense
All 3 of the first Indiana Jones movies are great, get out of here with that nonsense. If you want to say Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, then I agree with you but don't touch the original 3 movies.
@@joemckim1183 I don't think the OP is defaming the first three movies at all. It would seem more the case that he's using the name of the original film to label what should be referred to as Indianna Jones. Though the Kingdom of the crystal skull also had bad SFX's and an attempt, deny it all the like, of handing off the series to a contemporary actor so it doesn't qualify as one but several bad decisions.
good shout
trust me on this, Independence Day 2 and Star Wars failed for a *WHOLE* lot of other reasons then what's mentioned, in fact, what was mentioned was barely a drop in the planet sized ocean of issues those movies have.
The Witch was not shown in Blaire Witch (2017), the director said it in a interview after the movie was released.
Oh wow! that instantly makes this shit movie good!
What killed the Gremlins sequel? Robert Picardo’s hairpiece. 😆
I kid you now, Gremlins TNB is probably my favorite of the two, it's soo great and funny!
I think Star Wars pissed off most fans because of how they depicted Luke Skywalker. They destroyed a beloved character to try to make Rey look good. From what I hear it made Rey into a Mary Sue. I don't know for sure sinceI refused to watch the last two movies as soon as fans started commenting on the treatment they gave Luke.
Rey is a total Mary Sue. There is a great video here on YT that lays it all out very well. If I had saved the link I'd share it, but I didn't.
Except, the way he was depicted was more realistic. It was just a bunch of snowflake fanboys who were mad.
@@reyanime Except Luke was the most serious character expectation as a master. Instead the franchise became a joke when he did
@@reyanime Found the SJW.
@@reyanime yep much more realistic for a guy who could see the good in Vader, who had overseen the destruction of an entire planet, to want to kill his nephew in his sleep cos he may be evil!!!
Yeah, Rise of Skywalker was where the problems with the sequels began. 🙄
I was saying the same thing about Kinberg. If you look at his writing credits most of it is crap.
He's had a couple of good ones but most are horrible, Fantastic 4 (2015) X-men: The Last Stand (2006) and the list goes on.
He had proven that he couldn't write a Dark Phoenix story or a good script in general, yet they also made him the director. What did they think would happen?
Simon Kinberg must have some very incriminating blackmail on some powerful executives.
True. But as a producer he's brought us several great films and shows. Including The Martian, Logan, both Deadpool movies, Legion, and the 2017 Murder on the Orient Express.
hahaha. i went to see insurgence in a 4D cinema. I can't remember any of it, only flying around in my seat and stuff. It was amazing! Not the film as such. As i say... I can't remember any of it.
RoboCop is another, the last one was a huge let down, we could do with another but has to be brilliant.
You also forgot to to mention that the Lego movies were released at the same time as some other big movies.
One thing I never understood was what's so important about John Connor? Was he the last hacker on Earth? So they killed him off without ever answering that question.
I was totally on board until the statement about the Last Jedi. Johnson messed up the path and shouldn't be praised. Abrams should have done all three, or someone should have had a solid plan for the trilogy.
I agree with the last point. They should have had a complete plan and story arc for the trilogy and made sure it was great before announcing it. Where I disagree is with Abrams doing all three. Abrams made a very bad remake of Episode 4 but called an original film, Johnson made it a lot worse, and then Abrams somehow managed to make it even worse with Episode IX.
Sin City 2 Is Still Fantastic To Me, I Don't Care About Delays Or Too Longs.
I had the good fortune to watch The Expendables series the wrong way around, my own fault. They were great that way! I really enjoyed them.
One problem is no one usually lays out a road map on the direction and pace a franchise goes or they vary too far from the source material that it becomes unsalvageable
The Dark Fate one is spot on. The moment I heard they killed John Connor, I refused to watch it. The series just should have ended at Rise of The Machines. Was it a good sequel? No, it was clearly inferior to the first two. But it was ok for what it was and put a definite end to the series. If Cameron wanted to return, he simply should have done Rise of The Machines his way instead of killing off the entire reason for the goddamn series
I liked Salvation more, Rise of the Machines had too much humor in it imo
@@yourstruly4817 true. The whole Matchmaker in Arnies newer T-800 in T3 (he seemed to be to me at least. Never c*ckblocking John once. But seemed intent on hooking him and Katherine together. Even locking them alone in a room together at the end. (Ok. A stretch there as it was to save their lives in the Nuclear War that was moments away. But still... Think it through.)
I didn't see Dark Fate but I disagree. IMO, Terminator should have dropped the John Connor storyline a while ago. It needs other stories in the universe to remain interesting and fresh.
Actually I think it was a good idea John Connor story actually ends in t2 after stopping judgement day every movie after that was using him just to make me stopping one treat will let another system come in the future so think of it as a reboot not a continuation Then watch it and see
@@lighteningwilsonofficial your right. It kinda is a reboot. But it ignores the Grandfather Paradox in time travel. Skynet succeeded in killing John. Good for it I guess. But now just because Skynet is also dead, doesn't mean Kyle doesn't need to be sent back in time. If he's not, John won't be born. Skynet won't be stopped. Thus Legion won't be the dominant AI. Skynet would still be as since Kyle wouldn't be sent back, Skynet won't be stopped.
come on... people loved the second Gremlins film. Granted it wasn't as loved as the first but I don't know anyone that disliked it.
The creature in Blair Witch is NOT the Blair Witch, it was stated to be something else entirely, which is a genius move that actually ups the mystery of just what is going on in those woods.
I thought it was an alien.
I saw the Gremlins sequel in theaters as a kid and loved it. I was surprised and saddened to find out years later that it was actually a commercial failure.
Don't worry about it. There are tons of enduring creative masterpieces in all form of art that were commercial failures - especially where critics are influential ("That sucked!" "How would you know? You slept through it!")
Another reason Sin City: A Dame to Kill For tanked is that the first film used all the best stories from the comic. Sin City's graphic novels track Frank Miller's descent into screaming batshittyery, with the first being a minor classic and the subsequent ones becoming more and more unhinged. Although the core story A Dame to Kill For is one of the better graphic novels, the other ones adapted into the second film are so terrible that I - who loved the first movie and even own two editions of it - had zero interest in seeing the next one.
I liked a dame to kill for it was a good movie in my opinion.
Yeah it was, it was just what was going on with other movies, mostly The Spirit and MCU, that stopped a 3rd one being made.
@@GrimmShadowsII yea I think the spirit really hurt it.
That's crazy because they were people who are angry that the witch wasn't shown in the original Blair Witch.
You can't have a franchise based on people being lost in the woods and never showing what happened to them.
Can anyone tell me what song is playing in video? Please? Thank you.
Using the word "continuity" in relation to the X-Men series really is a push too far ;)
I had honestly forgotten there was a third Mummy movie and only remembered I'd seen it when I saw the clips. Extremely forgettable!
To this day I'm still so confused by some of the line delivery choices Gareth makes when he narrates videos.
Although I despise Kingberg as much as the next Comics fan, to be fair, his planned 2 films ('Phoenix THEN 'Dark Phoenix') were shrunken into one during production (because of Disney buying Fox), forcing him to change the whole story, erasing the Shi'R connection and having to tell a two 2h30 story in less than 2h.
So AT LEAST THIS TIME he's not the only one to blame.
Direct to video sequels - all of the Disney 90s cartoon films!
YES
Aladdin 3 was actually not bad.
I used to own all 3 of the expendables movies. I was excited for the 3rd one and went out to buy the 3rd one a few days after it was released in stores. I was very disappointed in the way it turned out. I gave that movie away bc I didn’t want it in my collection. As far as I’m concerned there are only 2 expendables movies and the one that we don’t talk about.
Dude, was the Richard Picardo in that Gremlins: The New Batch movie? Never seen it but do love the doctor
I didn't know killing John Connor in Dark Fate was such a sticking point for fans. I was glad they did. It provided an impetus to finally move the story forward instead of just finding new ways to retell the old one or circumvent it by skipping into the future.
Yeah, what they did to him in the film before that was much worse.
I'm surprised Salvation gets so much hate - they show what we always wanted to see - John Connor kicking arse in the future war, and finally a story that isn't just 'another advanced Terminator in the modern era trying to kill a kid'. I liked it anyway.
But they killed John Connor to tell the same story all over again, but it's Legion instead of skynet
Independence Day 2 was 20 years too late. Simple as that.
Highly highly disagree with Gremlins 2 being on this list!
I think they liked the movie (as they should it's amazing, and IMO better then the original). They misunderstood why it failed. It failed because too much time passed, and people moved on.
The Mummy 3 isn't a bad film at all in it's own right, it just doesn't seem to be in quite the same universe as the first two. It's the Indy 4 of the franchise.
Wedge also has a cameo in Star Wars Rise of Skywalker. Dennis Lawson who played Wedge in the original trilogy can be seen in the final battle.
7:18 "..lazily leaning back on the series greatest hits."
They had to, Johnson completely destroyed all planned story lines. Guy wanted to kill the franchise and no one thought to keep an eye on him to make sure he stayed within the lines.
I refuse to watch anything he ever makes. The guy is a cancer.
Gremlins 2 is amazing if you watch it for what it is.
It's a fun movie
@@carybeweary7209 but lame compared to the legendary christmas movie that was gremlins 1
@@carybeweary7209 absolutely. The “meta” bit in the middle, when the gremlin messes up the projector, is fantastic. It’s something Mel Brooks or the Zucker brothers would do. They went in for more comedy than horror, there’s nothing that says a sequel has to follow the exact same formula as the original, going in a new direction is fine, especially if it’s done well.
I enjoyed it more than Gremlins. Gremlins wasn't scary but took itself too seriously to be funny. While 2 just had fun with what was a goofy concept.
the story I heard was that Days of Future past was meant to be the last X-Men film so it could go out in a bang, but execs pushed to do it sooner to cash in on a story that was ready to go... so sad...
I was with you until #5. The franchise ended because Disney allowed the director to make a standalone movie as the second, most important movie of a trilogy. It wasn't the disconnect between episodes 8 and 9, but what happened between 7 and 8. And after all the fan-bashing done by the studios and just about everyone related to those films, is it any wonder the fans decided not to give them their money for #9?
I actually liked Blair Witch 2 for it’s more cerebral elements and the fact that it wasn’t trying to just remake the original
Cerebral is not how I would describe it Haha
BBC hiring Chibnal killed off a 55 year old franchise right away.
It’s not a movie franchise
@@donaldtusk2678 true and moffit had already put in its death throes with repetitive stories and general foolishness. Chibnal twisted the knife and in one single stroke with his political correctness crammed down into the show along with his inane casting and character, killed the show.
Doctor Who isn't even a movie franchise, how fucking desperate for attention are you.
@@PitchSkullBlack Alright, calm down luv! No need for excessive knicker-bunching!
The Star Wars sequels main bad decision was less about clinging to the past, and more the insane decision to start a trilogy that teases future payoffs, without actually mapping out what those payoffs would look like. That road map would have kept Rian Johnson in check enough to do something new and different (a good thing) without literally saying to "kill the past", a stupid decision to make with a legacy franchise. In seeing how Abrams chose to course correct, you basically had two extremes that needed to meer in the middle. On one side Abrams desperately clinging to the past, and on the other side Johnson literally trying to kill said past. It created a trilogy at war with itself.
Ironically enough, The Mandalorian is now intentionally linking itself equally with the OT and the prequels, bringing back the better aspects of said prequels. George Lucas at least had a clear road map and vision, and the more you think about it, the more you realize the prequels are conceptually strong, with a firm foundation, but sadly, VERY flawed execution. For the sequel trilogy you have the opposite problem. A terrible foundation and conceptually bad ideas being executed as well as possible by solid filmmakers and mostly very good actors. Pick your poison: a good sory executed poorly, or a bad story executed well (or as well as a bad story can be executed, anyway).
Hopefully The Mandalorian's showrunners take over. It is a distinct entity and different from what came before, while still respecting its past and using it as a foundation for a new direction.
I absolutely adored Gremlins 2
I’m surprised The Last Airbender didn’t make the list. Good source material utterly wasted.
What killed it? The Wrong Director
Was it a franchise though?
@@heeeeeresrossy it was about to be
Aquaman will be on a list like this in the future if they decide to keep the turd
Every time someone calls him a superhero, I think of Jeff Dunham/Walter saying something like, "He's got all the powers of Spongebob." 😀
Amber Heard trying to destroy Johnny Depp's career in the minst of the me too movement really casted a shadow over the Aquaman movie franchise.
For me, its not just about her being a shitty person in real life, but also the fact that her trying to act in aquaman was painful to watch. Ang base from her deposition, its clear that she really can't act even if her life depends on it.
@@blkhemi3925 An abuser, using a movement for abused women, to destroy the man she abused is just so sick and twisted.
@@markusphilippus1787 bingo, 🎯, yahtzee
I had a few friends who worked on the crew for 2016 Blair Witch and they had so much fun working on it! The actress who played the witch had a lot of fun hiding around the set and popping out to scare unsuspecting crew/cast members.
simon kinberg is the vince russo of the comic book movie world
The Hobbit, not hiring Guillermo del Toro.
They did hire him. He just opted out halfway through
@@TheSorrel because the whole production kept dragging its heels. Can’t feel bad for Del Toro though. Dude’s got an Oscar now for a film he may not have made if he did the Hobbit.
The new Star Wars trilogy always had to hang on to the past, there’s so many horrible story decisions that killed the 3 movies that to blame the past is a laugh.
The original trilogy sucks and is the most overrated trilogy ever. The new movies are way better.
@@newthrash1221 said only you, ever. That’s a lonely island your out on, unless your just trolling looking for a reaction you won’t get from me.
Not true. I like the new movies more too. They have more adrenaline paced lightsaber duels and such duels were what drew me to Star Wars in the first place
@@daniellewis4154 so you guys are drawn to sword fights more than actual story. Gotcha.
@@newthrash1221 I'm guessing you are into bay's shit
Wow..It just hit me. The 'genius' gremlin of (the hilarious) part 2, actually very much (IMO) reminds me of the equally incredible Samuel 'MoF'n' Jackson
That was Tony Randall, not Samuel L. Jackson deMoFoed.
The DCEU's decision to try and jumpstart the Justice League to mimic the Avengers' success without putting in the work of giving the individual characters their own movies first and building up to it. Yes, we had Batman and Superman movies galore. But JL needed to give the other members their due first.
The reasons the Star Wars sequel trilogy sucked Is a list video in and of itself. I will say that Ryan Johnson did more damage in one movie then The Empire did with both Death Stars.
Terminator had already taken a hit with Genysis turning John Connor into the bad guy...
i liked dark fate and i think people just didn't give it a chance
Jurassic Park not having original cast back
Indiana Jones adding Shia LaBuff as Indiana son
Star Wars: The Phantom Menace: "Jarr Jarr Binks". Worst decision ever.
Expendables was more hurt by the fact that the movie leaked online weeks before the premiere, so pretty much everyone who wanted to see it and would've paid, had already seen it.
She didn't leave over 'problems with the script' of Mummy... She left because they aged up the actor playing the son to be in his 20s for no reason meaning her character had a son in her teens. There was NO reason to age up the character and it made NO sense on ANY degree... Nothing to do with the script. It was all producers meddling...
It would really behoove Whatculture to actually get their facts right if they're going to produce videos like this...
Aging up the character requires rewriting part of the script to make it happen. If they'd said she left because of Craft Services then I could see getting upset at an incorrect fact. But altering the script to make her son older is in fact what happened. It was the producers that forced the change.
@@MrJackfaire It was outside the scope of deeming it a 'script problem'... They upped the age then wrote the script around it... They were in talks to bring them back for a film before there was a script...
@@Colechamdiceman Eyeroll. So they changed the script. Seriously that's like trying to disconnect one from the other.
I agree that What Culture gets a lot wrong. But this wasn't one.
Might as well say the problem was a person got a sun burn but wasn't that they spent too much time in the sun. Both are facets of the issue. There's nothing incorrect about saying it was an issue with the script.
@@MrJackfaire It's not my fault they're talking about eggs when they should be talking about chickens... Not sure why you wish to leg hump for them, but have at it on another leg :)
@@Colechamdiceman You missed the part where I agree they get a lot wrong or the many posts I've done in the past that literally called them out for getting stuff wrong.
What you're doing is destroying any credibility those of us do so have when we call them out on mistakes.
If I say "nuh uh the chicken lays the eggs the eggs aren't laid by the chickens" then I look like a moron who isn't correcting someone I'm just splitting hairs and that's all you're doing.
You're telling them that they're wrong based on you not liking the specific terminology they're using instead of any actual mistake they made.
Pointing out crap like that is more likely to lead them to look at any correction and disregard it in the same vein. Personally I'd like them to take our pointing out mistakes seriously.
You just want to be pedantic.
Hahahaha I didn’t even realize they made a sequel to sin city but oh my am I glad I missed it
Wow, that was actually a really smart list.