The connection between Upper Holloway and Gospel Oak is to the Midland Main Line, not the West Coast Main Line. The West Coast I accessed by travelling along the North London Line.
When I was young, (soon after Romans had left, or circa 1959) we would have a day out at Southend, or an evening for the lights. Cheap day returns from Crouch Hill . Crouch Hill to Barking stopping at all stations and then semi fast to Southend Central(stops at Chalkwell and Leigh on sea, etc) .Next time I am in the UK (if ever? given the current world) I will take a day out and ride this line again. I have an Oyster card, will that work on here?
A DLR with better connectivity? I'm sure a link to Barking and the GOBLIN destinations will be better as Barking is a large local ecanomic center than the DLR destinations.
Before the improved service pattern and 4 car trains that electrification bought the peak morning service was always over capacity so they ran an extra relief train to mop up those who got left behind. This was known as the Pixc Buster (Passengers in excess of capacity) - the last couple of years this ran it didn't call at Gospel Oak but continued and called at all stations to Willesden Junction (terminating on the low level bay platform.) Quite a novelty. It's quite remarkable how once Tfl took over the franchise how quickly the line gained in popularity which required so much investment to make it what it is today.
Could even see the GOBLIN line or DLR extend south from Thamesmead to Abbey Wood so it would connect with Elizabeth Line, Thameslink and Southeastern. And Renwick Road station once built could be renamed as Castle Green. Also there are plans to introduce a new service in West London and Northwest London called “West London Orbital” which will see London Overground operating a new service from Hendon or Brent Cross West/Cricklewood to Hounslow and Brentford. With the Dudding Hill Line to be electrified and the freight only line from South Acton to Brentford also to be electrified. And with Alstom to manufacture extra Class 710s.
I would rather see full heavy rail crossing the river to Thamesmead and beyond into South East London. South East London is poorly connected directly with the East of London development areas north of the river and even the Elizabeth line won't fix that. Currently most rail journeys have to go via the city.
@@Pesmog Agree! in fact, SE London badly needs an orbital line, so this could extend from Thamesmead to any/all of Abbey Wood, Bexleyheath, Sidcup, Foots Cray, St Mary Cray and Orpington! It would be expensive - no pre-existing disused railway infrastructure - but would transform public transport in the area (as the GOBlin has in its own area). But a pipe-dream for the present.
3:12 around here you miss info on the high and low levels - high levels for trains to GO, low level for trains to kentish town / kings x / st pancras / west hampstead and beyond via the now thameslink tracks.
Another great informative video to go with the Overground Circle videos you've done. In fact, looking at videos on youtube about transit projects in other cities in the world, it's a reminder how special the Overground is, and what a good decision it was to link it all up and run frequent trains on it. The history is very interesting, but perhaps the future is even more so: there are missing connections to other lines - e.g. GWML (at Old Oak Common, coming some time), Brixton (a station must be possible there). The 'London Orbital' should connect to all the other main and Underground lines as well as it does to the SW and SC at Clapham Junction, or the Victoria and GN Moorgate line at Highbury & Islington.
The East Ham platform was to the geographical north side of East ham station, it is now filled in, its also likely that thr curve at East ham was used to send trains to (the now C2C) depot at East ham and/ or freight from Londons docklands.
I suspect there is a rule in people’s heads that tries out unfamiliar descriptors as adjectives first and if they become familiar ( and the speaker can be reasonably certain their audience can understand what they are referring to ) they get promoted to nouns. People who make up new words are just swimming upstream if they try to short circuit the process.
Interesting video. I lived in Tottenham and can remember the steam passenger service, this was taken over by DMUs in,1959. I used to for the fun of it catch the train from Moorgate to Kentish town then go on the train to South Tottenham. The line was never really a popular passenger line but was certainly a good line for frieght. Boat trains did run from St Pancras to such exotic destination s as Tilbury. Also during Summer the line had holiday trains that ran through to the even more exotic destination of Southend on MUD.. There is a connection between Seven Sisters and South Tottenham which used to be used for services from North Woolwich to Palace Gates, well that line to Palace Gate closed in January 1963 but a single line still exists between Seven Sisters and South Tottenham. Another link had also been planned to run a connection from Stamford Hill on the Enfield line and it would take a curve and connect with the Goblin just before where the line crosses At Ann's Road and Seven Sisters Road. This corridor can still be seen if you look at Google maps.
Mate another great video only one snag the picture of East Ham stationthe missing platform wasn’t the goblin line it was the tilbury and Southend one the branch line was next to the houses on the right of the picture it still had its track Till the 90’s before being turned into a station garden I remember my Nan telling me stories but a train that used to go via Walthamstow from there as a kid and it’s only when I become Intrested in everything railway related that I realised it was this line from a kid I thought it was a underground. Keep up the good work mate
The loop line mentioned for connection at East Ham disappeared in the early 1970's but its path is still visible on any map just following the route of Shakespeare Crescent. Unlikely that the Overground will go to Thamesmead as the DLR has always seemed to be the preferred option
Trains did run through to Southend, and the new station, being at high level makes for an very expensive river bridge. Remember the DLR Mudshute problem.
Renwick Road will not open, the finding for the extension was from s106 agreements, so people do not want the local council tenants from having a free station for nothing, the passive provision would never come into existence. The station Barking Riverside will connect to a new ferry pier.
Apparently not. Although it still runs from Gospel Oak and Barking (riverside) - the Bakerloo line kept its name when it was extended up to Harrow or down to the Elephant.
wow, a real video on april fools day!
he's playing the long game- having done the goblin line this year he can use that as precedent to invent the "alien line" for next April 1st ;)
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Your diagrams are absolutely unrivaled in detail and clarity. Hope to see more awesome rail history videos soon!
The connection between Upper Holloway and Gospel Oak is to the Midland Main Line, not the West Coast Main Line. The West Coast I accessed by travelling along the North London Line.
Sad about the lack of goblins
Pretty sure the Barking Riverside extension opening has been delayed (like everything else) until 2022
When I was young, (soon after Romans had left, or circa 1959) we would have a day out at Southend, or an evening for the lights. Cheap day returns from Crouch Hill . Crouch Hill to Barking stopping at all stations and then semi fast to Southend Central(stops at Chalkwell and Leigh on sea, etc) .Next time I am in the UK (if ever? given the current world) I will take a day out and ride this line again. I have an Oyster card, will that work on here?
It didn’t become Network South East on nationalisation, that happened in the mid 1980s.
1984 / 1948 !!
A DLR with better connectivity? I'm sure a link to Barking and the GOBLIN destinations will be better as Barking is a large local ecanomic center than the DLR destinations.
the DLR goes through Canary Wharf to the city and also to Stratford with connections to the Jubilee at Canning town
Would have been better to send the H&C to Barking Riverside, and the Overground to Pitsea via Tilbury/ Purfleet
@@highpath4776 TFL did consider it in the late 2000s until they realised Network Rail has different safety standards to the tube standards
1:16 Manor House is on the Piccadilly line Manor Park is on the Eastern TFL Rail.
Before the improved service pattern and 4 car trains that electrification bought the peak morning service was always over capacity so they ran an extra relief train to mop up those who got left behind. This was known as the Pixc Buster (Passengers in excess of capacity) - the last couple of years this ran it didn't call at Gospel Oak but continued and called at all stations to Willesden Junction (terminating on the low level bay platform.) Quite a novelty.
It's quite remarkable how once Tfl took over the franchise how quickly the line gained in popularity which required so much investment to make it what it is today.
Good content but backing music too loud in relation to the voicing - just ditch the music.
Quality, slickness and watchability of your videos is improving, Ashley - more GOOD STUFF, for which THANKS.
Wonderful video, thanks! Great graphics - subscribed!
Great history of this line but one coorection: the Piccadilly Line station is Manor House. Manor Park is on the TfL Rail line from Liverpool Street.
1:25 "algamation"? What about an amalgamation? ;)
Well, I think you could make a good announcer, Ashley. Thank you for this video.
This was good lesson, So thank you
nice graphics but wikipedia standard content
There is also an out of station interchange between Wanstead Park and Forest Gate
And is treated as a through fare by tfl if travelling from say leytonstone high road to ilford
Could even see the GOBLIN line or DLR extend south from Thamesmead to Abbey Wood so it would connect with Elizabeth Line, Thameslink and Southeastern. And Renwick Road station once built could be renamed as Castle Green.
Also there are plans to introduce a new service in West London and Northwest London called “West London Orbital” which will see London Overground operating a new service from Hendon or Brent Cross West/Cricklewood to Hounslow and Brentford.
With the Dudding Hill Line to be electrified and the freight only line from South Acton to Brentford also to be electrified. And with Alstom to manufacture extra Class 710s.
I would rather see full heavy rail crossing the river to Thamesmead and beyond into South East London. South East London is poorly connected directly with the East of London development areas north of the river and even the Elizabeth line won't fix that. Currently most rail journeys have to go via the city.
@@Pesmog So true.
@@Pesmog Agree! in fact, SE London badly needs an orbital line, so this could extend from Thamesmead to any/all of Abbey Wood, Bexleyheath, Sidcup, Foots Cray, St Mary Cray and Orpington! It would be expensive - no pre-existing disused railway infrastructure - but would transform public transport in the area (as the GOBlin has in its own area). But a pipe-dream for the present.
@@ricktownend9144 I agree
Lived five minutes walk from the Haringay Green Lanes station for over twenty years but never found a reason to use this line.
3:12 around here you miss info on the high and low levels - high levels for trains to GO, low level for trains to kentish town / kings x / st pancras / west hampstead and beyond via the now thameslink tracks.
Another great informative video to go with the Overground Circle videos you've done. In fact, looking at videos on youtube about transit projects in other cities in the world, it's a reminder how special the Overground is, and what a good decision it was to link it all up and run frequent trains on it. The history is very interesting, but perhaps the future is even more so: there are missing connections to other lines - e.g. GWML (at Old Oak Common, coming some time), Brixton (a station must be possible there). The 'London Orbital' should connect to all the other main and Underground lines as well as it does to the SW and SC at Clapham Junction, or the Victoria and GN Moorgate line at Highbury & Islington.
You forgot the Central Line with Leytonstone High Road
That's a pretty poor connection - as are most of the passenger connections to other lines; the good connections are for freight.
The Midland Railway used to run Boat Trains from St Pancras to Tilbury over it.
The East Ham platform was to the geographical north side of East ham station, it is now filled in, its also likely that thr curve at East ham was used to send trains to (the now C2C) depot at East ham and/ or freight from Londons docklands.
Mic seems to be a bit different today or is it just me anyway, Great Video!
There's no need to say 'GOBLIN Line' - the LIN in 'GOBLIN' already comes from 'LINe'!
I suspect there is a rule in people’s heads that tries out unfamiliar descriptors as adjectives first and if they become familiar ( and the speaker can be reasonably certain their audience can understand what they are referring to ) they get promoted to nouns. People who make up new words are just swimming upstream if they try to short circuit the process.
@@francesconicoletti2547 But the video included an animation showing where the name comes from
Kind of the same reason we say such things as D-Day, ASD disorder, and others.
It sort of still makes sense though GOBLIN Line would mean Gospel Oak-Barking Line Line.
Awesome video once again ash.
Great video!
Interesting video.
I lived in Tottenham and can remember the steam passenger service, this was taken over by DMUs in,1959.
I used to for the fun of it catch the train from Moorgate to Kentish town then go on the train to South Tottenham.
The line was never really a popular passenger line but was certainly a good line for frieght.
Boat trains did run from St Pancras to such exotic destination s as Tilbury.
Also during Summer the line had holiday trains that ran through to the even more exotic destination of Southend on MUD..
There is a connection between Seven Sisters and South Tottenham which used to be used for services from North Woolwich to Palace Gates, well that line to Palace Gate closed in January 1963 but a single line still exists between Seven Sisters and South Tottenham.
Another link had also been planned to run a connection from Stamford Hill on the Enfield line and it would take a curve and connect with the Goblin just before where the line crosses At Ann's Road and Seven Sisters Road.
This corridor can still be seen if you look at Google maps.
where is Watford DC line
The Midland Mainline not the WCML!
*Gosbark. Not Goblin.
Mate another great video only one snag the picture of East Ham stationthe missing platform wasn’t the goblin line it was the tilbury and Southend one the branch line was next to the houses on the right of the picture it still had its track Till the 90’s before being turned into a station garden I remember my Nan telling me stories but a train that used to go via Walthamstow from there as a kid and it’s only when I become Intrested in everything railway related that I realised it was this line from a kid I thought it was a underground. Keep up the good work mate
Mate also if u plan anything in east London or need research feel free to ask mate I’ve research lots on the stations old lines etc etc
@@peterwatkins7419 Thank you peter, I'll bare that in mind for next time!
The loop line mentioned for connection at East Ham disappeared in the early 1970's but its path is still visible on any map just following the route of Shakespeare Crescent.
Unlikely that the Overground will go to Thamesmead as the DLR has always seemed to be the preferred option
Trains did run through to Southend, and the new station, being at high level makes for an very expensive river bridge. Remember the DLR Mudshute problem.
Renwick Road will not open, the finding for the extension was from s106 agreements, so people do not want the local council tenants from having a free station for nothing, the passive provision would never come into existence. The station Barking Riverside will connect to a new ferry pier.
Aren't they planning to build a ton of houses there and call the station castle green as part of the councils 2037 plans?
@@unknown_user1398 No
@@triggerwarning7662 but yes
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So will the GOBLIN be renamed the GOBARK when the extension is complete?
It could possibly be the GOBRLIN
It's still Barking in it's name and will always be known to passengers as the GOBLIN. In the railway industry it's simply known as the GOB.
Apparently not. Although it still runs from Gospel Oak and Barking (riverside) - the Bakerloo line kept its name when it was extended up to Harrow or down to the Elephant.
I don't wanna see him kissing goblins, succubus with goblins, ingratiating goblins, in bed with a goblin.