I Took My EVO 8's INTERCOOLER SPRAYER And Put It In My PC
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Once upon a time I owned an 2003 Evo 8, a car I wish I still had to this day. Within that car was a switch that was new to me, right behind the shifter was a toggle switch with a picture of an intercooler on it. When you activated this switch small sprayers in the bumper would spray water onto the intercooler. They did this to reduce the inlet air temperature and to increase engine power. Now an intercooler is just a fancy radiator so I figured since we use radiators in our PC's then this technique would also work there as well. So using what I learned from my Evo 8 intercooler sprayer I built a radiator sprayer for my custom loop to see what if any performance can be gained by doing so. 
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Latent heat of evaporation of water is huge so its very effective and its safe for us. I found in heat waves our home AC was under powered with an outflow reaching 14C. When I added water misting to outdoor coils the difference was dramatic even for a tiny spray. Indoor outflow for same airflow reduced to 6C.
I remember 20 years ago people were getting into evaporative towers to water cool their CPUs, massive 8" by 5' PVC towers spraying down water. It works fine in dry environments. Not so much if your humidity is high.
Love a good bong tower
He kinda did an experiment like that a while back
@@Dan-Simms Something around 2 years ago, yes. I have watched it a few days ago haha
@@Dan-Simms Oh, I remember that, it certainly puts a new spin on things to cool the radiator instead of the water in the loop
yeah i remember those days.. there was some interesting ideas back then for cpu cooling. after the evap towers idea started dying off the whole mineral oil cooled stuff was the hot new(not really new) idea.
Interesting idea! You could also use one of those ultrasonic fogger/mister from a humidifier to make a super fine mist.
They actually do this in some server farms. Highly monitored of course.
It works.
Could make it a "closed loop" by having a water catch below the radiator, and a small pump that picks up the water and pushes it through a misting head. You can design the container in a way to still push air through it, while stopping the mist from leaving the system. Positive pressure air system of sorts.
I can picture it in my head, but will have to try and draw it up when I have time.
Water evaporates, can't be caught at higher temps.
@zadekharbat yup. Would need metal catch surfaces to help condense it. Like how some portable AC units do it. I built something like I am picturing decades ago to keep a dog house cooler in the summer.
@@zadekharbat and yes, there will always be some losses.
@@TheZolonAt that point you've just built a bigger less-compact air-cooled radiator. The point of using the water evaporation is that BECAUSE it isn't closed-loop, it can get away with hand-waving away the need to bring the water back down to temperature and treat it as an externality.
I had an Evo8 as well so this mod made me super happy. Now make a mod that makes a blowoff valve sound when the CPU temps fall after being up because of sustained load
The energy it takes for water to evaporate is ~5 orders of magnitude higher than waters specific heat. The aftercooler on a turbo car can get hot enough to rapidly evaporate any water on it.
So this process works really well when you can ensure most of all the water will evaporate.
If not, like in this example, than your just relying on waters specific heat, which is far less effective.
It would likely work better using a mix of water and alcohol since it has a much lower evaporation point but is hydrophilic and will draw the water away with it.
I wonder if spraying alcohol on it, you'd have a more dramatic effect? Very interesting though, this has huge potential, and I'd like to see a full pc build utilising this method. Risky, but haha, possible
No because specific latent heat of evaporation of water is 3x that of alcohol. Water is unbelievably high energy required for phase change.
@@dr_jaymzYou'd realistically want to do a mix so you get the lower evaporate temperature of alcohol but also the thermal capacity of the water.
@@SilvaDreams
a 2-5% ethanol to water ratio should be sufficient.
Lower might be able to do it though.
This is a great idea, but we can take it even further. You've got a wind tunnel going, which is good, but next you gotta hook that other end up to an air conditioner to remove the humidity. Then what you're gonna do is add a second wind tunnel to the other side, but you gotta make it out of aluminum or something heat-resistant, because that's where you're gonna introduce the _blowtorch_ to rapidly expand the air behind the radiator and create a ton of negative pressure. Then, instead of water you're gonna spray the radiator with 95% isopropyl so it evaporates even quicker. Oh, but let's not forget the skewers on the exhaust side, because that's where we're gonna make use of the excess heat from the blowtorch to cook some kebabs...
Evo 8? Fantastic taste.
I gotta say, I immensely love that 80'ies synth vibe that's playing when you create the 3d model in Solid Works
Me too! I came here to comment on the excellent (what my friends and i call) montage music!
Synthwave ❤
what you gotta do is try water the same temperature as the heat soaked radiator. then you can see if the water is just pulling the heat away since it's colder (acting as a liquid to air situation), or if it's the cooling effect of evaporation
gotta love him pointing the exit of the sprayed radiator pointing directly into his open air PC
Holy shet that worked way faster and better than I expected. The thermal imagery was so cool! Awesome test.
Very good video idea, its nice that you explained your thought process
Man, i was rockin the hell out to that montage music! Makes me want to scream 'ADRIAN!!!'
I was expecting to see a giant car intercooler, I remember back in the day seeing people do it.
Maybe you're thinking of a car evaporator? It's from the car's aircon system and was often used for subambient chilling back in the day.
I loved the engineering montage!
I could see a system like this being optimized better- like the 'auto' control on the Evo, if it were controlled by software and only applied as much water as would be evaporated. There would certainly be things you could do as well to further increase the atomization.
its just an evaporative cooler. thats it. these aren't that new.
Maximize atomization? Car fuel pump and (tiny) car fuel injector.
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(putting graphic card away)
[Screen] turn black at the exact same freakin' moment
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Would be interesting to hook up a water system to a mini waterfall/fountain water feature.
Hopefully the water’s increased surface area in the air would cool it down a bit?
If that didn’t work you could always try adding a pond or fish tank as a reservoir (and possibly get some fish! 😂)
I wonder how it would go if you used one of those ultrasonic mist generators for fountains to make the mist. It would be a much finer mist and you could draw air and mist from a chamber to keep the water away from the computer. You could use a moisture sensor in front at the bottom of the radiator to detect if too much mist is coming through. You could probably use an arduino or other controller to monitor temp and moisture and run a mixing valve that regulates how much moisture to put into the system.
Sounds like you might be able to pull this off
It's almost like you are doing some thermodynamics or something... What a fun class that was!
There are "Rain maker" for Terrariums that make a finer mist, almost vapor like.
You could try those.
You've made a swamp cooler. Rather than spray the radiator, use some thin cotton cloth and wet that. As the air passes through the cloth, it will evaporate the water and cool the air, which will then interact with the radiator. Will work great in Tucson, not so great in Tampa.
If you have ever wrapped a wet cloth over your face, the pressure requirement is pretty high. (Though perhaps I am imagining the wrong design)
However, He could get a little fuel injector and atomize the water that way.
@Oblithian It's commonly used but you don't use a thick material and you don't have it utterly soaked either. Go look up some large swamp coolers they keep entire greenhouses cool like that.
@MajorHardware
This was a joy to watch! While the setup was a bit jank(sorry to hear about your GTX1080), this was you thinking creatively! It was interesting to see you work the science of this form of cooling in your mind.
It's so fun to see projects like this! Thanks for sharing, and awesome music you added. 😊 Very 80's. Where did you find it?
IIRC The song is Racing Hearts by Mattie Maguire
This only matters if your cpu is thermal throttling. It's essentially a lno2 solution without the sublimation. Love the idea and still gonna watch. Maybe I'm wrong?
I seem to recall reading many years ago, that datacenters sometimes used huge evaporative cooling towers.
Those have probably been replaced by super-efficient water-loops and airconditioning these days...
⭐8:43 Hi, how about turning the radiator 90 degrees and have it over a bucket. That way any moisture would drop into the bucket and youd have a dry computer :)
This man had an evo 8??
This channel just went to the top of my car RUclipsr list😂
This reminds me of the portable Air-conditioning unit I had at work. It had the condenser on the outside hanging for the window while the evaporator was on the inside unit. They were connected by tubing and a electrical cable to drive the fan blowing air through the condenser. In addition there was a tube for the water that condensed on the evaporator. This was pumped out into a tub in the condenser unit where a pump driven by the fan motor pumped the water and sprayed the condenser with it. Any water dripping from the condenser would en up in the tub where the pump then sprayed it on the condenser again.
When it was really warm I would pour cold water in the collection tray so it would get pumped out to the condenser. This made the air-conditioner a lot more efficient when the heat outside made the water evaporate faster than the condensation water could replace it.
Only time I had a problem was when I managed to freeze condensation on the evaporator. With no air flowing through the evaporator more water would condense on the ice plug only to freeze and add to the ice mass.
It took hours to get it to thaw.
This can also be seen on large commercial AC installations. Hot summer days you can often see water spraying from the large condensation units on the roofs.
Nice, always knew you had good taste lol. Had my Evo 8 FQ300 since 2009.
I knew this was going to work, but I did not expect this to work as quickly as it did!
I didn't know you owned an evo, damn, good to know another car guy exists in the it sector
That shroud is slick tho!
10/10 montage music, Rocky Balboa could have got ready for the big fight to that soundtrack.
If you make a collector, put the radiator above it and spray downwards, you can replace the pressurized spray by a pump and make it contunuous.
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Good idea would be to put a humidifier pad or a vary porous foam (like from a speaker grille) on thee radiator and spray water on to that so it has more surface area to evaporate.
This plus the turbo cooler would be perfect for a car themed build
Evaporative cooling is so neat and interesting. I bet having a distilled water evaporator could replace a bunch of radiators and fans and be quiet af.
Indeed. Big as the side of the tower radiator cooled with exterior air. No contact with the inside of the tower. 140mm fans for the area of the rad or one big fan for the circumscribed dimension.
I hope you get into an Evo again someday!
I hate to say it but Evos have some seriously advanced electronics. It's probably one of the furthest away cars from "an engine to the wheels" as you can get for that year. That's what make them Evos. Yaw control, torque vectoring, all that good stuff. (evo owner)
I felt like I was watching a rocky training camp scene during that buildup 🤘🏼 😂
Use a finer spray nozzle from a mister like others have suggested , and to lesson the possibility of shorts use deionized water for the mister water, it does not conduct electricity (it's what is used in premixed coolant for hybrid vehicles for this very reason) .. This was a cool test 😉 thanks for doing it
would love to see some car content on whatever you get
The 80s montage music during the build, amused me so much. Just needed sweat bands in it some how.
You would need a set up with and open top large enough for full air flow and a small basin at the bottom to catch water and put it back in to the system you would need to top it off once a day or so you could reduce that need by using baffles to catch the evaporated water vapor so it could condense and drop in to the collection basin. Honestly the system would not be hard to make
Freeze a coil of copper pipe in a block of ice (with the ends sticking out), freeze a bunch of blocks like that, and add the pipe to your loop. Then put these perfectly-shaped ice blocks onto the copper pipe.
Server farms should absolutely use this considering how cheap water is compared the electricity required for similar cooling improvements
I used an Alcohol water mixture on my auto-x car. It used a 4g64t.
The alcohol evaporated faster than water. Worked better than water alone in the midwest humidity
You can drop temp with smoke machine too! This is more dense than air and due to that you can extract more heat from radiator, not if smoke humidity or glicerine affect that.
In hear that in some places datacenters or some other servers were instaled in hermetic room filled with heavy, nonflammable gas. Due to its density cooling was improved.
Im also curious if it is possible to make passive cooling using chimney effect and chimney itself.
This reminds me of some of those air conditioner mister things you can buy that you attach to your outdoor AC unit.
this works better with an air cooler making a 3d printed drip tray and a fog nozzle on say a NH-U12A will be massive.
it might be crazy to make a tank with a return to a ultra sonic fogger and feed the fog into the air stream.
Ok I'm designing this idea out with a full air guide to the rear of my massive NV7 case it's got an aio in it but the idea of a small tank behind the vertical gpu getting pumped to the top forming a fog waterfall this will be a mix of 3d prints and plexiglass swap out the a12 for a rear mounted IP rated fan.
This can be done in a way that works.
As we hear news of the Alphacool Apex steel fan beating noctua as the most silent fan ever.
This guy: Rip out stuff from an old car for PC cooling.
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Cool idea :D Keep on good work :)
Dude I missed your random messin around videos. I would love to see you take a run at a custom gpu shroud full of fans again!!!!
You should be able to clean that pretty well with CLR
Back in like the late 90's early 2000's we used to just put the radiator in a bucket of ice water.
been there, done that
You have an evo 8? *EVEN MORE RESPECT!*
Water is wonderful and yeah, awesome cooling powers.
Dang thats awesome you had an Evo 8.
i have an X.
You should deff get another one!!
Use a water/methanol mixture next time. Even more cooling!
You have an Evo 8? You just became infinitely more cool. Sick ride.
The mans has good taste in cars. I approval.
That was some seriously 80s movie montage music! 👍
Oh my. That just got my brain thinking. There's these little pocket misters that people used to cool down. If you would have to take one of those and have it pump water from a reservoir that the water from the radiator would drip back into for a continuous loop of water. That might actually be something
Dude I would love to see this again with deicer windshield washer fluid.
what if you try to use a smog generator? like the piezoelectric things you put in water, so that mist can be created, and then that mist can be sucked in the fan to the radiator?
Maybe duct an atomizing humidifier into the fan? Those things produce a nice cloud of tiny droplets of water and it would take a while to saturate a surface, especially if it is warm and quickly evaporating. Probably would want the exhaust sent outside if it was going to run for any length of time or you will have some seriously swampy air.
"If there is anything else we can bring over from the automotive world"....man, I am old enough to remember when PC watercooling meant using a cars heater core, the biggest aquarium pump you could afford and a home made waterblock.
What about just dunking the radiator in cold water?
Have some sort of quick disconnect for the fan. Take the fan off, dunk the whole radiator in ice water for a second, take it out, and put the fan back on.
4:00 - Weird hearing that song without a bridge review 🙃
So stupid and impractical. I love it.
What about those humidifiers that can sit on a desk? Since it atomizes the water, into a very very fine mist. That may be able to run non-stop, without water coming out of the radiator, and It would use water at a much slower rate. And some of the humidifiers can put out quite a bit of mist. Enough to keep a rooms humidity up.
Immersion of radiator in a 5 to 10 gallon tank works much better you just need to have a circulator pump to agitate the tank water.
This is a heat exchanger.
Cool idea! Are you able to develop the idea and build it to a rig and test it?
Yeah, it works like air cooler that uses water. The water vapour is an effective conductor of heat, so the heat is taken up by the water and evaporates while the air carries it away. Simple but ingenious. We have air coolers that works ina similar principle. I never thought, that we could strap a radiator infront of it to cool off a PC... That's genius.
D'you think using an ultrasonic mist thing to get finer droplets to shoot through would be better?
try spraying isopropyl alcohol it will evaporate faster and pull more energy out of the system?
Add a bit of isopropyl alcohol to that water helps evaporation should cool even better
Good video and good idea. Congrats 😉
It would be better to submerge the radiator in a tank of water.
Oh this would be awesome to test with isopropyl alcohol or something.
Since it evaporates much easier it might have a much bigger cooling effect.
Also should if not spraying to much be just evaporating instead of leaking out.
That in combo with an ultra sonic mister, oh man that would be sub-ambient almost. hahahahaha
And also super explosive.
@@ftlsxpalso super corrosive
@@Dracossaint @ftlsxp Then just use butane, even more cooling. :D
This isnt automotive related but I'd like to see you cool a PC with a counterflow chiller like they use in brewing. It's essentially a tube within a tube (typically copper or stainless), the hot runs through the inside one and the cold through the outside. I've wondered if it would be as viable the typical radiator setup. It can be a pretty wasteful process in terms of water usage unless you have a swimming pool or some body of water you can just pump from and back into without raising the temp too much. The quality of the cooling water isn't important because it doesn't mix with the PC coolant at any point.
what you described is called a heat exchanger
@@toysoldi3r14 essentially yeah. Just know it by the other terminology.
Can you mount a car radiator with its own fan and see if its able to cool down the cpu while the fan spinning at slow rpms? So it doesnt make loud car cooling noise but would be able to deal with the pc's heat
It may seem like a whacky idea but it certainly did work.
Awesome!
this would be pretty interesting if you could make/find a better hubless fan .have the fan going with the sprayer in the hub(less) middle
no need a small pump through a nozzle forward of the fans as he has it is plenty good no need to over complicate the build
at the risk of stating the obvious, you could also just use two radiators for a higher delta-temp and skip the risk of moisture
Would be interesting to see a Cryo2 setup and temp drops
what you're a car guy? okay lets go
Major saying he had an Evo 8
Me: damn if I wasn't jealous enough !
The big thing they do in the auto world is ducted cooling. However that wouldn't make for such an interesting video as it's been done before and we know it works. Do fans already count as forced air induction? Then there are the different types of intercoolers does having a compressed Air system dramatically change the amount of cooling you get?
25 years working in auto body/ collision repair business and ive never seen a part on any Mitsubishi that looked like that spray bottle...
do you have any intrest in branching into props for rc planes?
I wish you'd have brought the car's radiator, too.
Cooler-Humidifier combo product.
PS. Spray demineralized water, to avoid buildup on the radiator finns.
PPS. Oh ... and spray out of, not in to the cabinet!