What's ironic about your introduction is that Mormons actually do believe that hell is temporary. Pretty much exaclty like we see presented in the book the idea is you go to "hell" (or spirit prison in their words) get a chance to learn the truth, and then are sent to heaven if you accept it. I mean it's a bit more complicated than that but it's kind of hilarious how the author wrote it that way.
Mormons also believe that Jesus lived in Utah and that black people can't get into heaven. I think it's safe to say they're objectively incorrect about everything.
I mean, there is Outer Darkness, which I'm pretty sure is forever. Just not many people go there. I would descrine Spirit Prison as more of a Purgatory than a Hell
A Short Stay in Hell is interesting because the best thing to do is probably reject trying to get out, but rather just make one's own meaning out of the "life" in that specific hell. Ultimately it's meaningless, but to you it'll have meaning and probably make your stay a lot more enjoyable
Exactly! And all though it would be a terrible experience and would take “forever” it’s not forever. In comparison to eternity it is a small time. And you have a job, which would be much better than having nothing to do in terms of mental implications
@@spookymcg That would make sense, especially given what we know about the subjective experience of the passage of time (that it seems to go faster as you age).
thanks connor this really soothed my deep-seated fear of mortality real comment: one of my favorite tv show quotes comes from Alice Morgan, one of television's greatest antiheroine/villains, in the first season of Luther: "The universe isn't evil, John, it's just indifferent," and that feels very applicable to this video. it's the indifference of the universe and its mechanics which is so unfathomable to humanity, because, as creatures with a theory of self, we are profoundly self-interested, and we experience time in a very personal way. i think part of what feels so cruel about time is, actually, that it does seem to speed up as one ages, and contrary to what you've said in the video, from my personal experience at the age of 36, you definitely can feel and see aging happening to your body increasingly rapidly. we're all just trapped in our flesh gundams, hurtling toward oblivion. personally, being trapped in the library of Babel for an uncountable amount of time sounds fantastic to me.
There's a poem from The Magnus Archives that I think about a lot: Life is a current which cannot be fought. It is a march with one destination. You cannot cease your step nor change your course To one that skirts the journey's termination.
The tangent about hell really resonated It frustrates me how christian-centric concepts of the afterlife are. I'm Jewish and despite the general conception of Judaism as just christianity without jesus, they are actually very different. For example "hell" (which doesn't really exist in Judaism but I'm calling it that for ease of reference) never lasts longer than 12 months, after which the soul will move on to heaven. It was very comforting for me growing up
It’s not even Christian centric, it’s Protestant centric. I’m Syriac orthodox Christian and in my church hell isn’t a place of eternal torture but instead a place of reflection. The purpose of hell is to reflect on what you did wrong in your life, some interpret this as been tormented by your mistakes but that’s not a super common view to take, even then it’s still not God torturing you but the knowledge of your own wrong doing. Heaven and Hell are literally just different experiences of God’s unceasing love. Neither heaven nor hell are created places. In the end, we will all experience the presence of God. Whether or not we enjoy that presence depends on the condition of our hearts. As orthodox Christians we aren’t really supposed to talk about or theorise about hell, a general answer given to you by a priest is “I’m not dead so how would I know”. No orthodox Christian truly knows whether hell is eternal or only for a short period of time, to be completely frank the orthodox concept of hell is so removed to that of westernised Christian culture that’s it’s unrecognisable to someone like yourself only familiar with that brand of Christianity and it’s version of hell. What you are referring to is a deeply Protestant and western interpretation of Christianity where mystery is shed in favour of examining a faith like a science, which is how you end up with things like the rapture and hell as a place of eternal torment. Doesn’t help that a lot of American Christians disregard the writings of saints and other theological traditions within the church.
Somewhere in my head, I'm always hoping to hear someone talk about Arrival - I had no idea it would turn up here lol. After reading and later watching Arrival, I think I've been a little happier living with and accepting time and the way it changes everything, and it makes me very happy to see this read out in your script and connected to so many other ideas. "Time must be experienced, and it must be experienced fully" "Numbers are built for the living, not the dead" "Every point on a timeline IS the point of no return" - these have stuck with me since I watched this video for the first time last night. Just found your channel yesterday and I'm so excited to see what you're all about, I already love your style and scripting, this video was really great!
I'd also like to say if you end up reading this, THANK YOU FOR COVERING THIS. I doubt you remember but I mentioned back in your liminal space video how cool it'd be if you covered scale, vast distances, times, or beings. This is perfect. I've always been obsessed with the larger-than-life, the infinite, all that stuff. It's so cool to me, so thank you!
I get the point Xandern (The Zoroastrian angel) was trying to make about the cruelty of an inescapable hell but I have another question. The way to escape Zoroastrian hell is to find a book that perfectly describes your life. But the books of the library are just a randomized assortment of letters. There's no rhyme or reason to their placement so sorting is impossible. The time people are trapped in hell is potentially infinite, but at least in an inescapable hell, you can eventually find comfort in the finality of your fate. Is a hell that dangles the possibility of escape in front of but that escape is gatekept by an impossible task just as if not crueller than a hell which is eternal ? My mind keeps running to a scenario where a person finds a book that perfectly describes their life apart from a single misplaced letter. Can you imagine what that must feel like ? To be so close to your escape and having to start over again ? The inescapable hell may torture you for all eternity but the Zoroastrian hell does something probably much crueller. It gives you hope.
I did the the math. because of course I did. If we assume he's falling flat and not diving head first, we can assume a terminal velocity of 120 miles per hour (assuming earth like physics of course). And a human can love roughly 3 days without water give or take. So if we take 120 miles per hour for 72 hours that's 8640 miles. That's the distance between New York City and Sydney Australia. Or the distance between London and Tokyo
You can feel like your constantly falling in the real world, thats weightlessness while in orbit. Obviously you dont get the rush of air going passed you but its the same in terms of the physics
It's crazy... how did the algorithm know I just did the yearly inventory?? Jokes aside It's a lil funny (wierd funny not ha-ha funny) being tasked with counting everything, down to the individual mints, inside a whole ass store... does sound like literally hell... yet here we are..... getting paid minimum wage... Holy shit... I'm in hell?!?
During the sponsorship i saw your shin godzilla poster snf all i thought was “HE LIKES GODZILLA TOO?!!” I adored the mention of the Library of Babel, its a fun literary concept ive adopted into my own works along with liminal horror and things like the king in yellow
i adore arrival, it's one of my favourite films, so when i say the story of your life is like 10x better it means a lot. it focuses so much more on louise's experience, to the point that i could actually imagine it somewhat, and really highlights the tragedy of it all. genuinely might be the best story i've ever read.
Amazing video! Super cool to see someone talking about Outer Wilds and I'd love if you did a video centered around it. Side note: A galaxy is a cluster of millions of stars, a solar system is a group of planets and similar objects orbiting one or more stars.
I litterally just watched one of your videos, I thought i just got recommended a video I had'nt seen yet but nope, Perfect TIMING, Badly made jokes aside, Love your content dude. Its really cool. Plus I love silly skellies too and hope you have more content about them lol
Imagine dying and going to hell only to realize you are getting a Combinatorics problem as a punishment 😂 Edit: my issue with Louis’ choice in Arrival is that many people frame it from her perspective. That child had immense pain and the utter terror of dying that young. It could have been prevented by her mother. It is dark. That girl didn’t deserve that
True. Problem being is it better to never exist or to exist and suffer unjustly? Could she give her daughter a good enough life and a happy enough life to outweigh the suffering? Tragic part is only the little girl could answer that question. Because every person has a different opinion on what’s too much suffering. Compare the soldier who begs to be killed after having their legs blown off vs the one who grabs the medic and begs for help to survive no matter what. Both valid responses, but both different in opinion.
Wow, you’re so fast at getting videos out (don’t burn out!) and I really appreciate the high frequency of good stuff Big fan, especially of all your different interests
Theres a bit that implies Soren might not have been a good person he was disappointed that the people with him in hell were roughly his age..... and ethnicity.
a trillion years is short compared to an eternity which is probably why it's called a short stay time is as real as an inch on a ruler both technically real and conceptual
I might be wrong because I did the math in my head, but falling for 4 hours (14400 seconds) is 160,000 feet, taller than mt everest. a day, 24 hours, would then be 960,000 feet. 9 hours later, at 1320000 feet, you can wave through the window of the international space station.
How does this video have over 2,000 views, but only about 440 likes >:(. Great video, i love topics about times and how it puts me in an existencial crisis :)
18:32 no just no. „Heart full of love“ doesn’t that just sound grotesque? She willingly seems to fulfil a prophecy that means horrible suffering for her child, that she could have prevented by not having her. Unless this movie entails the philosophy of determinism which would make her incapable of chosing otherwise, she is basically morally detestable in my eyes.
You say you cant experience what its like to fall for days. The truth is you can if you use a wind tunnel. You can float on a cushion of air for as long as the wind tunnel is on.
@@spookymcg I just know about those because I saw one that you wear those wing suits and glide in the tunnel. It's pretty neat but I didn't have the cash to try it out.
"Most of you wouldn't do that to a neighbor's dog, even if It barked incessantly at 2 a.m. every morning." You don't know me, Xander. I'm vindictive without my 8 hours and morning cup of coffee.
Thanks for featuring my music!! Great video as always
Thanks for sharing your music with me!
@@spookymcg you make me sick
I actually learned of Zoroastrianism in school recently so when I heard that I was like "I KNOW ABOUT IT"
SAME LMAO
I learned about long before learning that Freddie Mercury of Queen was Zoroastrian.
What's ironic about your introduction is that Mormons actually do believe that hell is temporary. Pretty much exaclty like we see presented in the book the idea is you go to "hell" (or spirit prison in their words) get a chance to learn the truth, and then are sent to heaven if you accept it. I mean it's a bit more complicated than that but it's kind of hilarious how the author wrote it that way.
Mormons also believe that Jesus lived in Utah and that black people can't get into heaven. I think it's safe to say they're objectively incorrect about everything.
I mean, there is Outer Darkness, which I'm pretty sure is forever. Just not many people go there. I would descrine Spirit Prison as more of a Purgatory than a Hell
A Short Stay in Hell is interesting because the best thing to do is probably reject trying to get out, but rather just make one's own meaning out of the "life" in that specific hell. Ultimately it's meaningless, but to you it'll have meaning and probably make your stay a lot more enjoyable
Exactly! And all though it would be a terrible experience and would take “forever” it’s not forever. In comparison to eternity it is a small time. And you have a job, which would be much better than having nothing to do in terms of mental implications
thank you for the existencial crisis I'm experiencing right now
You’re welcome
I would say eternity is an absence of time rather than an abundance of it.
Interesting! Maybe at a certain point, the line between the two blurs?
@@spookymcg That would make sense, especially given what we know about the subjective experience of the passage of time (that it seems to go faster as you age).
That goes hard asf, I can't lie 🔥
thanks connor this really soothed my deep-seated fear of mortality
real comment: one of my favorite tv show quotes comes from Alice Morgan, one of television's greatest antiheroine/villains, in the first season of Luther: "The universe isn't evil, John, it's just indifferent," and that feels very applicable to this video. it's the indifference of the universe and its mechanics which is so unfathomable to humanity, because, as creatures with a theory of self, we are profoundly self-interested, and we experience time in a very personal way. i think part of what feels so cruel about time is, actually, that it does seem to speed up as one ages, and contrary to what you've said in the video, from my personal experience at the age of 36, you definitely can feel and see aging happening to your body increasingly rapidly. we're all just trapped in our flesh gundams, hurtling toward oblivion.
personally, being trapped in the library of Babel for an uncountable amount of time sounds fantastic to me.
flesh gundams
There's a poem from The Magnus Archives that I think about a lot:
Life is a current which cannot be fought.
It is a march with one destination.
You cannot cease your step nor change your course
To one that skirts the journey's termination.
Magnus archives mentioned!! :D
The bit about exploring the question of "Is time painful?" was SO good. Absolutely stellar video essay.
Thank you!
The tangent about hell really resonated
It frustrates me how christian-centric concepts of the afterlife are. I'm Jewish and despite the general conception of Judaism as just christianity without jesus, they are actually very different. For example "hell" (which doesn't really exist in Judaism but I'm calling it that for ease of reference) never lasts longer than 12 months, after which the soul will move on to heaven. It was very comforting for me growing up
It’s not even Christian centric, it’s Protestant centric. I’m Syriac orthodox Christian and in my church hell isn’t a place of eternal torture but instead a place of reflection. The purpose of hell is to reflect on what you did wrong in your life, some interpret this as been tormented by your mistakes but that’s not a super common view to take, even then it’s still not God torturing you but the knowledge of your own wrong doing. Heaven and Hell are literally just different experiences of God’s unceasing love. Neither heaven nor hell are created places. In the end, we will all experience the presence of God. Whether or not we enjoy that presence depends on the condition of our hearts. As orthodox Christians we aren’t really supposed to talk about or theorise about hell, a general answer given to you by a priest is “I’m not dead so how would I know”. No orthodox Christian truly knows whether hell is eternal or only for a short period of time, to be completely frank the orthodox concept of hell is so removed to that of westernised Christian culture that’s it’s unrecognisable to someone like yourself only familiar with that brand of Christianity and it’s version of hell. What you are referring to is a deeply Protestant and western interpretation of Christianity where mystery is shed in favour of examining a faith like a science, which is how you end up with things like the rapture and hell as a place of eternal torment. Doesn’t help that a lot of American Christians disregard the writings of saints and other theological traditions within the church.
Somewhere in my head, I'm always hoping to hear someone talk about Arrival - I had no idea it would turn up here lol. After reading and later watching Arrival, I think I've been a little happier living with and accepting time and the way it changes everything, and it makes me very happy to see this read out in your script and connected to so many other ideas.
"Time must be experienced, and it must be experienced fully" "Numbers are built for the living, not the dead" "Every point on a timeline IS the point of no return" - these have stuck with me since I watched this video for the first time last night.
Just found your channel yesterday and I'm so excited to see what you're all about, I already love your style and scripting, this video was really great!
"Numbers are built for the living, not the dead." great line!
You should definitely check out the Steven King short story The Jaunt, and weirdly, Kurzgestagt’s 4.5 billion years in one hour
Will do!
Oh, so this is what an existential crisis feels like
Congrats on getting your first sponsor Connor!! That's huge! 🎉🎉
I'd also like to say if you end up reading this, THANK YOU FOR COVERING THIS. I doubt you remember but I mentioned back in your liminal space video how cool it'd be if you covered scale, vast distances, times, or beings. This is perfect. I've always been obsessed with the larger-than-life, the infinite, all that stuff. It's so cool to me, so thank you!
I do remember! I still think there’s a larger video to be made about spaces, but i’m glad this captured part of what you were talking about!
@spookymcg Hell yeah! Well if you ever do get around to completing that other video I'll of course be here to enjoy. Keep it up man, you're awesome 😎
Oooh this is facinating. Thank you for sharing! I love your video style
I get the point Xandern (The Zoroastrian angel) was trying to make about the cruelty of an inescapable hell but I have another question.
The way to escape Zoroastrian hell is to find a book that perfectly describes your life. But the books of the library are just a randomized assortment of letters. There's no rhyme or reason to their placement so sorting is impossible.
The time people are trapped in hell is potentially infinite, but at least in an inescapable hell, you can eventually find comfort in the finality of your fate. Is a hell that dangles the possibility of escape in front of but that escape is gatekept by an impossible task just as if not crueller than a hell which is eternal ?
My mind keeps running to a scenario where a person finds a book that perfectly describes their life apart from a single misplaced letter. Can you imagine what that must feel like ? To be so close to your escape and having to start over again ?
The inescapable hell may torture you for all eternity but the Zoroastrian hell does something probably much crueller. It gives you hope.
I did the the math. because of course I did. If we assume he's falling flat and not diving head first, we can assume a terminal velocity of 120 miles per hour (assuming earth like physics of course).
And a human can love roughly 3 days without water give or take.
So if we take 120 miles per hour for 72 hours that's 8640 miles. That's the distance between New York City and Sydney Australia. Or the distance between London and Tokyo
Thank you for doing the math!
You can feel like your constantly falling in the real world, thats weightlessness while in orbit. Obviously you dont get the rush of air going passed you but its the same in terms of the physics
omg i thought this video AT LEAST had a 10k likes, you’re so underrated man, i hope you reach where you deserve, good luck!
Thank you!
You understand mechanical hands
Are the ruler of everything (ah)
Ruler of everything (ah)
I'm the ruler of everything in the end...
It's crazy... how did the algorithm know I just did the yearly inventory?? Jokes aside It's a lil funny (wierd funny not ha-ha funny) being tasked with counting everything, down to the individual mints, inside a whole ass store... does sound like literally hell... yet here we are..... getting paid minimum wage... Holy shit... I'm in hell?!?
Bro I watched this while high and legit forgot the concept of time 10/10 will watch again
I’m so happy to have discovered your channel through watching Dark Americana….your video essays are incredible and inspiring 😊 thank you!
During the sponsorship i saw your shin godzilla poster snf all i thought was “HE LIKES GODZILLA TOO?!!”
I adored the mention of the Library of Babel, its a fun literary concept ive adopted into my own works along with liminal horror and things like the king in yellow
i adore arrival, it's one of my favourite films, so when i say the story of your life is like 10x better it means a lot. it focuses so much more on louise's experience, to the point that i could actually imagine it somewhat, and really highlights the tragedy of it all. genuinely might be the best story i've ever read.
Connor sponsor, Connor sponsor!!! Congrats boi! (Great video as always btw)
Thank you, Kai!
Amazing video! Super cool to see someone talking about Outer Wilds and I'd love if you did a video centered around it.
Side note: A galaxy is a cluster of millions of stars, a solar system is a group of planets and similar objects orbiting one or more stars.
And this explains why my sense of time was (and still slightly is) so fucked up after COVID lockdown.
Now it feels like it's flying to the end. Your experience?
I litterally just watched one of your videos, I thought i just got recommended a video I had'nt seen yet but nope, Perfect TIMING,
Badly made jokes aside, Love your content dude. Its really cool. Plus I love silly skellies too and hope you have more content about them lol
Thanks for watching! Glad the timing worked in your favor!
So far it’s interesting, nice intro 6:06
Jorge Luis Borges reference aquired
Thanks for not spoiling outer wilds. I haven’t finished it yet, whatever finishing it means
it’s very worth it. enjoy your experience!
yet another banger
Time is a valuable thing
I love all your videos man! They are my favourite thing to put on for background noise and for when i’m relaxing! :)
Happy to hear it!
The question asked around intro ending is actually answered by one of scp objects (scp 2718), without afterlife ideas/time loops
chilling video. thanks for the thought and work you put into creating it. and, of course, the time...
Hell yeah get that bag Connor
Amazing video, 10/10. some spoiler tags on a short stay in hell would've been nice lol
Love you man. I get so happy when I see you posted something new♡♡♡ Hope you do another video on The Magnus Archives
I might have something in the works…
Time is a tool you can put on the wall,
or you can wear it on your wrist.
The past is far behind us.
The future doesn't exist.
i think this might be my favorite video on youtube. thank you for what you do Connor, your work really means a lot to me :)
Wow, what a thoughtful comment. Your support means so much, thank you!
Man, your content is amazing. You're going to have 100k-200k subs by this time next year, guaranteed 👀
Arrival will always be my favorite movie that tears me into pieces ❤
loved this. thank you for a great video/existential crisis!
Absolutely brilliant content. Very very very well done. Gonna go binge some more!
"Our ideas are from the bible," yeah no. YOUR ideas may be from that jewish fanfiction, but mine are not.
you have cemented yourself as one of my favorite video essayist with this mind melting dissection
Imagine dying and going to hell only to realize you are getting a Combinatorics problem as a punishment 😂
Edit: my issue with Louis’ choice in Arrival is that many people frame it from her perspective. That child had immense pain and the utter terror of dying that young. It could have been prevented by her mother. It is dark. That girl didn’t deserve that
It’s interesting isn’t it? The difference in philosophies based on perspective? I appreciate this comment, it’s very valid in the discussion!
True. Problem being is it better to never exist or to exist and suffer unjustly? Could she give her daughter a good enough life and a happy enough life to outweigh the suffering? Tragic part is only the little girl could answer that question. Because every person has a different opinion on what’s too much suffering.
Compare the soldier who begs to be killed after having their legs blown off vs the one who grabs the medic and begs for help to survive no matter what.
Both valid responses, but both different in opinion.
Wow, you’re so fast at getting videos out (don’t burn out!) and I really appreciate the high frequency of good stuff
Big fan, especially of all your different interests
I work with a lot of very talented people who help me make videos faster!
@@spookymcg good to know and y’all are doing great so far
amazing. and so terrifying. please dont die i love your video essays
i’ll do my best to
Theres a bit that implies Soren might not have been a good person he was disappointed that the people with him in hell were roughly his age..... and ethnicity.
i may have missed some subtext! totally fair point
Honestly you keep postimg banger after banger, your videos are some of the best i have ever watched!
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This was an incredible video, thank you
Excellent video! Good job!
a trillion years is short compared to an eternity which is probably why it's called a short stay
time is as real as an inch on a ruler both technically real and conceptual
Was not expecting ya boi Zoroaster to get mentioned in the first minute
It's longer than you think dad. It's longer than you think.
Great work brother.
Dude!! Great video, I’m mad at YT for only just now suggesting your content. You should have a much larger audience, keep it up 😊
Thank you! I’m in a constant struggle with the algorithm to be seen…
Happiest here 👾
I might be wrong because I did the math in my head, but falling for 4 hours (14400 seconds) is 160,000 feet, taller than mt everest. a day, 24 hours, would then be 960,000 feet. 9 hours later, at 1320000 feet, you can wave through the window of the international space station.
Powerful video, it bummed me out a bit....but I loved it ❤
THREE FOR THREE!!! Loving your content
glad you’re enjoying!
How does this video have over 2,000 views, but only about 440 likes >:(. Great video, i love topics about times and how it puts me in an existencial crisis :)
Mad that you baited me into watching Oldboy, couldnt finish it lol it was messed up
18:32 no just no. „Heart full of love“ doesn’t that just sound grotesque? She willingly seems to fulfil a prophecy that means horrible suffering for her child, that she could have prevented by not having her. Unless this movie entails the philosophy of determinism which would make her incapable of chosing otherwise, she is basically morally detestable in my eyes.
You say you cant experience what its like to fall for days. The truth is you can if you use a wind tunnel. You can float on a cushion of air for as long as the wind tunnel is on.
I hadn’t considered that…
@@spookymcg I just know about those because I saw one that you wear those wing suits and glide in the tunnel. It's pretty neat but I didn't have the cash to try it out.
is old boy based on denpa shonen? it was a Japanese reality show about a man who was forced to be locked in an apartment for 15 months
"Most of you wouldn't do that to a neighbor's dog, even if It barked incessantly at 2 a.m. every morning." You don't know me, Xander. I'm vindictive without my 8 hours and morning cup of coffee.
Ehhhhh, what if you just don't care in hell and spend all you're sweet time reading those books? Such delightful idea!
Unus Annus
Why is there japanese text on your poster of "The Thing" behind you in your room? It's an american film.
Japanese version.
Earned a sub with this one, can't wait to see what you do next!