I've heard Cena both on Austin's and Jericho's podcasts, he doesn't sound out of touch to me at all, he seems to be well aware of why the crowds boo his character and while talking to Austin, he publicly called out the company for being complacent over the years. If he is a yes-man and does whatever Vince tells him to do, that's obviously part of a problem, not a solution. Though I have heard reports before where Cena wanted to turn heel and was shot down, last year it was reported that he spoke up against bulldozing the Wyatts, but Vince wouldn't hear it. Cena also insisted on postponing his elbow surgery to put over Bryan at SS, while Vince wanted them to do a battle royal. So while Vince might be undeniably out of touch, I think the John Cena situation seems to be a bit more complex. I think HHH would be able to handle Cena a lot better than Vince.
King Magic It would be interesting if Cena for real wanted to change his character with Vince's disapproval, or otherwise, Vince wanting change but Cena saying no. Who knows, a real heated backstage relationship turned into an a storyline, I could take WWE interesting and serious again for once, and I'll probably be not the only one.
The Rediculusness of Comparing John Cena to Superman,the difference is Superman Struggles to win his fight and he's being tested through trials and hardships,he lost to Batman a couple of times and sometimes he was the antagonist Cena is always the good guy,he doesnt't show any stress winning feuds,he always gets his redemption when he loses,he rarely loses cleanly,and when he loses,he justifies his loses and looks like a jackass when he tries to justify his loss. Superman = Can be the symbol of hope when he's written right Cena = the Biggest Corporate shell in WWE history
When did he lose to Batman? The fight where Batman faked his own death because he knew he couldn't win, you mean? Aside from that, I do agree with you, though.
The one who is out of touch here is Vince McMahon. Cena is more in touch with what fans want than the creative team is. The problem is, he's a big fat yes man. Anything Vince wants, Vince gets.
83jdc1 I'm guessing you didn't watch him podcast with Jericho, or other interviews outside WWE. He openly admits when he was excited when they were planning to turn him heel in 2012,he completely understands why hardcore don't like him. He's in touch for sure,he's just more worried about being the hero to children than he is about us hardcore fans,which is completely understandable.
***** John Cena could play Vince McMahon like a marionette if he wanted to. He has that kind of leverage,I wish he'd take advantage of it like HBK,Austin,& many others did.
Petar Gulin Rusev was feuding against Big Show, Mark Henry, and JACK SWAGGER........please enlighten me how he is in a worse position now than before Cena..........
When i first heard rusev was faceing cena i got my funeral suit ready because i know what was gonna happen and it actually did happen rusev career pretty much got killed he didnt beat cena clean not once he lost the belt the girl and made him look like a bitch and that the same suit i whore to wyatt career funeral
wwetnaful He is in worse position because he is no longer an undefeated beast but a sore loser just like Bray wyatt was , just like Barett became and just like ryback became worse after feuding with Cena. I have a friend who is a casual fan, no internet bullshit just watcher raw and smackdown like any normal fans and even he doesnt support cena and says why should I when the man can win no matter what. See now even casual fans are not attracted. Cena will always get soem response from every crowd as he is the top dog in the business so he will have support but in long term his character is causing damage.
gameboys2020 Was Rusev suppose to be undefeated forever. "He is in worse position because he is no longer an undefeated beast but a sore loser"..............literally Rusev would have lost to ANYONE and that would happen........
So here it goes, John - I'm listening, Vince - You'll lose the first match - WHAT?! - But you'll win the rematch and that will end the feud - Oh, ok I was scared for a moment - Don't worry. Then you'll cut a promo of how you never give up - Again? - Trust me, John. They'll love it! - Right right - Then you'll say how passionate you are, working every day for the past ten years, and then we'll find you a fresh feud with a guy that everybody likes, so you can fuck him up in the rematch again.
If Vince was in charge of the nba. The score of every finals game after the 3rd quarter would be warriors-75, cavs-50. The final score of each game would be warriors-78, cavs-150.
MVP's losing streak is, in my opinion, one of the best shows of character building displayed by WWE. The audience watched as MVP's ego was chipped away with each loss. As he lost confidence in himself and became more vulnerable, the crowd's vitriol turned into sympathy. It got to the point where the crowd started rooting for him to win, completing his slow turn from heel to face I wish that WWE would remember this storyline.
I can't believe people are acting like Cena has no creative control over his character, storylines and whether he wins or loses. Guys, he's been with the company for 15 years, been on the main roster for 13 years and been in the Main Event for over 10 years, of course he has fucking say over what he does. In Cena's defense, professional wrestling is basically a one-show town now, don't give me this TNA or ROH crap... they are both nothing on WCW, ECW, independent wrestling companies in the 1990s or the wrestling territories preceding that, they're just not. If that era of wrestling was still around, it would be much different. It feels weird that Cena is probably going to end his career trouncing Ric Flair's World Championship record, considering he's 38 now and probaby won't pack it in until his mid 40s, at least.
flavio gjoni John Cena will be hall of famer due to Vince, Steph, and Paul-uuuhh forcing it.. but the purists like us and Schlegdaddy will never accept that and he will be unanimously booed and Vince will edit it out as he always does with babyfaces getting no reaction despite the WWE forcing them down our throats
I can understand his analogy. The sports equivalent of John cena is Magic Johnson or Derek jeter. Both were champions right out of the box. In magic sense. He was in the finals every year in the 80s except for two years.
Lebron's Brand is 1. Flopping 2. Crying for fouls in transition 3. being a narcissist 4. Being outscored by a bench player in the 2011 nba finals 5. Shooting 39% for this nba finals series. 6. Giving up in game 5 vs boston in 2010. 7. Said no-one should wear number 23. Switch's to six and back to 23. 8. About to be 2-4 in the nba finals 9. Play's in the weakest era of eastern conference basketball ever 10. Blames camera guy for not moving. Even though he flop's into the camera.
Talking about his shooting percentage these finals is just looking for excuses to pile on. LeBron had this team in position to have won this series in 5 games, his teammates didn't show up when needed. Damn man is averaging almost a 40 point triple double with nobody else around him.
lopido They are good players but neither of them are SCORERS. They can't create their own shot. This is why Kyrie not playing hurts them cuz he's the one other guy on that team that can create his own shot off the dribble. This means they can key on LeBron at all times and his shooting percentage went down because of it.
+TheFutureKing That's the main difference between Goldberg and Cena. If only the idiots comparing Goldberg to Cena which is an insult to Goldberg could understand that.
People who think that Cena doesn't have backstage politics or creative control are stupid and trolls. He is the face of the company! It doesn't make sense if he didn't have that authority, it's no different the the territorial days, 80s, 90s or what have you! When top guys had that same authority, stop being so stupid and understand how the business backstage works! It's always been this way, why the hell would it change now!!! You wouldn't have Cena going over 95% of the time if he didn't have this leverage!!
+5Catano4SMMA7 Proof of Cena's backstage pull is stuff like Nikki Bella getting a run with the Divas Title just because she's his girlfriend. And she's so naive and idiotic she thinks she got the title for a reason other than being Cena's girlfriend.
OffLeatherWings this video is pointless. It's easier to rant about negative stuff and ignore creative positive videos like this one: ruclips.net/video/2m0w98-7q0Y/видео.html
Vlad Radulescu Ah,nice roster man,got people from all over. And yeah,I loved spinnernet1 back from like 2008-2011,he was great. You know he actually returned to doing videos,he doesn't talk about wrestling but he did a great review of Breaking Bad,my favorite show ever.
Vlad Radulescu spinnernet1,same channel as before. He did a video about Warrior's passing,and he still has his 25 best Wrestlemania matches video from 6 years ago.
It has gotten to the point where even my grandma, who is a huge wrestling mark for the babyfaces, gets tired of seeing John Cena win all the time. So much so that she falls asleep on his matches.
Afro Thunder Just like how everyone was fed to Hogan during the Hogan era. Just like how everyone was fed to HBK, and Austin when they were on top. Everyone was fed to Bob Backlaud in the 70's, and everyone was fed to Sammartino back in the 60's. It's common knowledge that guys were fed to the top guys, especially the baby faces until their run is over. It will be like that after Cena is gone too.
eagleslfootball I never said it was only a cena problem. It's a WWE problem. Burying other guys to get over one guy(currently the Roman reigns treatment). The concept is flawed because the rock was at the top of his game back in 1998-2002 and still put over guys. The rock didn't always win his matches. He was not a burying tool. Meaning john cena after all these years could lose much more matches and still be very credible considering all the guys he's beat. No argument here. No cena hate but it's a WWE thing with top guy's which is frustrating.
Your analogy to Lebron James was appropriate. Look at how long Vince kept hulkamania going in the 80's. He wore it out like he wore out Cena. I quit watching the WWF in the late 80's because I was sick of Hogan, much like I've been sick of the Cena character the last several years.
It isn't the Cena name that draws, it's the WWE name that draws. I think Stephanie McMahon said it best. "It's not where would WWE be without John Cena. It's where would John Cena be without WWE. "
Because he's basically the face of the damn company , he woul'd be the top guy anywhere else an you no it , with or without so in other word's and i hate saying this shit but without botch cena than wwe is fucked , unless you have brock leasner but while he's gone than yeeeeea it's all cena cena cena sadly but true .
@@Sid-bc2in wwe is fucked without cena but if cena wasn't part of wwe in the first place wwe would probably still be in the attitude era by now, so if cena wasn't in wwe in the first place I think wwe would have been better off by now.
Not to mention Del Rio, Sandow and Ziggler. Since Cena one quit, another one is on stunt double with -2 direction and the other one is a midcarder for life. And sadly Cena got a lot of defenders this past times because he's on matches of the year and doing all this charity RESPECT THE MAN. It's incredibly how easily the WWE can change people's minds with these tactics. The guy was and always is a dirty politician and probably one the most selfish and insecure ones.
Luis Roulette No one ever cared about Del Rio, Ziggler has always been Mr. Stop and Push since Rey didn't want to drop the IC title in 2009, and Sandow was a jobber even when he won MITB
wwetnaful Yes, but the creative cared about Del Rio until Cena. Ziggler was red hot when he had the MITB then Cena fucked him. Sandow was forgotten but they gave him the briefcase so maybe he could rebuild himself but no, they only gave him to make Cena not the only one that failed on cashing in. It's sad.
Creative cared about Del Rio until he jobbed to Edge at WM 27, then they actually try to rebuild him against Cena and completely jobbed him out to CM Punk, Ziggler never had a chance as Mr. MITB (they gave him the briefcase so they can job him out to Jericho the next month later), and creative had sooooo much faith with Sandow they gave him the MITB........so he can lose every match he was in for 4 months before attempting to cash in on Cena........And yet people complain about a jobber NOT winning the top title
wwetnaful No. They gave Del Rio the title in 2011, than he lost in his first title defense to Cena, than won it back fro m Cena by burying Punk and beat Cena in LMS with the help of 2 guys. Feud with Cena made him look like a jobber. And also, Sandow wasn't pushed, but it was Cena who turned him into a jobber after beating him with one arm. End of the story.
HBK492 Del Rio lost the belt to Cena but at least he won it back from Cena in 2011, but do you even remember his feud against CM Punk afterwards? Punk basically buried him on the mic with another one of his "pipebombs" by saying Del Rio is boring and no one cares abut his destiny and then he said he was going to make the title mean something. What even worse is he beat Del Rio clean in his first title defense and was never the same again. His feud with Punk did more damage to him than and match he had with Cena. And I'm sorry but Sandow was a total jobber before losing to Cena, when you can't get a spot on Mania 29 against Brodus Clay, win the MITB later in the year, but then lose on every preshow while carrying a briefcase.....you don't need Cena to beat you to confirm being a jobber..........
WWE just scared to death to taking chances on tomorrow new wrestlers. How the company is going to get better if they're keep on doing the same formula?
He hasn't beat reigns yet I don't believe but I completely agree. At this point Reigns is the only guy that I would think would have a chance against the Cena monster.
***** I think the only reason why he hasn't feud and beat Reigns 1 on 1 is because maybe and just maybe Vince sees Reigns as the next top guy but Cena on the otherhand stubbornly would definitely say 'No' if he was asked to make Reigns go over him because it would make him look bad. So in the end, maybe WWE decides that it better if these 2 should not feud with each other. just my opinion though
Vince and John cena both ruined The Rock's return. They shifted on his career breaking kayfabe and basically his 2013 was a the most watered down version of the rock just for cena to get him over at mania
OTRSCentral I get totally what you're saying, but If Vince was booking the NBA, Lebron wouldn't be Lebron. He would be Carmelo Anthony, and Dirk and the Mavs would win every year.
I really don't understand what is with you fans and this hatred towards Vince McMahon and John Cena. Vince McMahon had one of the greatest minds in wrestling and you all know it. So when he's booking John Cena like he should, he knows what he's doing. And let's face it people, if you were John Cena's spot, you'd all do the same thing. And that is make yourself look good.
Charles Hackett Jr. He only put over Warrior clean because he was going out to film a movie, and he never put Savage over clean. Nice revisionist history
Having Cena play the same old "invincible superhero who can only be beaten by cheating or interference, hardly ever loses clean and has excuses made for his losses even when he loses clean and otherwise always wins" character for 13 years isn't Vince booking Cena like he should. Top babyfaces should lose cleanly every so often.
You can't compare WWE to the NBA. Basketball isn't scripted or predetermined. The main reason why most people dislike Cena is because he is booked to beat everyone that is put in front of him. I can't speak for every fan but, if I saw him win an actual honest to god fight I would dislike him just little less. Also Hollywood would gladly take the Cena script. Ever heard a little movie called Rocky? Rocky Balboa got his win back all the time. He barely lost to Creed in the first movie. Then he beat him in the 2nd movie. Then in the 3rd he lost to Clubber Lang and in the same movie he got his win back.
There are some flaws with the argument Brock Lesner was put over by Cena and has stay elevated Bray Wyatt lost to Cena but then got to a point where he was one of the few wrestlers who fuded with the Undertaker at Wrestlemania Meanwhile even if Cena put over CM Punk and Daniel Bryan for selfish reasons the fact is still that Cena DID put them over.
This crap all started when he unveiled the "Spinner-Belt" championship? My GOD!!! That lasted for far too long, even when the title changed hands, the belt design still didn't change. It finally took The Rock to change the damn belt design to what it is now and this guy is STILL at the top. He might not be World Champ anymore, but that shit is irrelevant at this point. It's not about titles anymore with his character, he can have any title he so desires at the drop of a dime. ...I was leading to some point, but halfway through me writing this I don't even care anymore. That's a problem, but it seems like that's the only way WWF/E will finally see that ppl are fed up to the point where they don't give a fuck anymore
romans52345 So?, it gets annoying when the same thing happens for 10 years....scripted or not, our favourite superstars always have to bow down to this fake marine and his master.
That is such a bullshit statement. Cena always fucking win a feud. The only feud he lost clean was with Brock Lesnar, but he's a part-timer & he's in his late 30s
SpenceDaFence There is an anime called Reborn. I watched it when I was younger. They had the character there that was like Cena. Well, he had much more interesting personality, but as Cena he never lost. Even the one time he did, it was because of the other guy cheating, and yet he still menaged to knock his opponent down, but at the end anime Cena didn't get up, but his opponent did, still losing in very Cena style.
Whats the point mate ... RAW is for kiddies (Cena admitted that live on Raw) No one older then 10 cant make a sense of it. Same old shit every week. Only fun is when Brock is there physically.
its not just cena and vince but the whole regime needs to go dunn, ps hayes, hollywood writers, the board of directors need to give creative to hunter, heyman, shane and i promise u, u'll have a better product
"the product will continue to feel like the epic waste of time it has been for several years now" And you know that you're still going to watch it and waste even more time ranting for 30 minutes every week on the internet instead of just watching another wrestling show that you might appreciate. Vince is not out of touch, he can do whatever he wants because he know that those who complain every time Cena wins are still going to watch his show every week.
I tell him to watch another wrestling show instead of wasting so much time complaining about a tv show that no one force him to watch, how is that kissing WWE's ass ? Poor delusional PG kids on the internet.
They won't, you know why ? Because they know that no matter what, these fans who complain all day on the internet are still going to watch their show instead of watching and supporting another wrestling promotion.
Vince has been out of touch since 1994. With Cena it's a good bad thing. He's good for the product, even though his character is old and stale as fuck. The alternatives to Cena aren't that great/
I feel we've mulled over the point a million times. It's not likely to change. I mean, you take into account that WWE will always get asses in seats. And whether you feel raw about Cena or not, makes no difference. John will always be the proverbial figurehead because Vincent Kennedy McMahon and the united WWE machine is never going give that up. If we truly want to invest our time in better wrestling, we must advocate it. Quit making it seem like such a chore to watch professional wrestling and embody what it means to be a "hardcore" fan. Advocate what needs to be done or refuse to watch. Simple. I mean, I barely watch WWE's televised shows . I don't feel like I miss anything . And no matter how much I hope for a better show, WWE, in all it's glory, never cease to make that a pipe dream. It's even a chore to watch reviewers because there is no enthusiasm in their reviews. So much so, that topic such this will beaten to death. I mean better were the days when we could speak highly of WWE. That be another thing; nostalgia trips. Why do we have to equate the present to the past? I believe we've become out of touch as well if we got to dig so far back to find better days. But I guess that will be the norm because wrestling has become lost art. We are left with stagnant character, mediocre builds that lead to nowhere, and insatiable amount of recycling the same concept at nauseam. I feel we as fans, whether casual or die-hard, are more at war with ourselves than the company. You have some who wish for change, some who are find with the way it is, and some who . . . .just don't care. In the end, we still watch. Inspite of monotony that is sports entertainment, we will contribute our time in watching guys like John Cena do his usual shtick almost every night if he sees fit.
One major contradiction in an otherwise very good video. If Cena is as much of a corporate tool as you claim, by design he in fact wouldn't have nearly as much control over his character as other top super stars had. What good is a corporate shill if he isn't 100% under your command? Considering the glaring lack of reports over the last 10 years influencing an argument Cena is a politician to the likes of Hogan, Austin or HHH (where wrestling politics goes, there will be smoke at some point in a 10+ year stint at the top). Combined with the overbearing, extravagance of the Cena brand and how it dominates every arm of WWE's business model, lends me to a manner of thinking that Cena is merely just a willing pawn. Which makes his sin something which has hurt WWE more than politicians since 2001, he's the ultimate yes man.
John Cena is a good wrestler,a damn good one. But damn aren't we all tired of him being the same. I hate when marks say "Oh it's not Cena's fault,he just does what creative tells him." Jeez they act like he's some rookie on his first day. The dude is the CASH-COW of that company. He can play Vince McMahon like a marionette. You think guys like Hogan,Austin,HBK,& Hart let Vince push them around? No because they had leverage and knew how to use it.
There is only one person who can save us from John Cena....Finn Balor. Think about it he can get over with adults and kids alike, he is really good in ring and on the mic, hes the perfect star for the WWE and Vince Mcmahon is a fan of him and so is HHH. If they really want to prove that they like Finn, then let him beat cena, who the hell is gonna side with cena when Finn does the Demon entrance? NOBODY. He is the only guy besides Brock Lesnar who can beat Cena clean and kids will like Finn due to his Superhero look and the bodypaint. WWE can fuck up Owens because they're stupid, but they cant possibly fuck up Finn Balor.
Marlon White True, but I think Finn can connect to a wider audience. I like Bray Wyatt, but they made him a heel when 75% of the crowd cheered him and the people who booed him are mostly kids. If they keep Finn a face people are gonna cheer him and he can be one of the top faces for the company.
It seems to me when we tell Vince he's out of touch, he takes it as a compliment. With Cena, same scenario. Also, to me, when Cena won his first WWE title at Wrestlemania, slowly but surely he broke free from the Thuganomics characters and started acting like, "I am no longer mortal!". These two have been butt buddies for the past decade and I'm suprised Vince and/or Cena don't have man batter stains on their pants after every Raw and PPV during this timeframe.
Based on your thoughts of Cena always winning and being predictable, you must have HATED Goldberg w-a passion. Haha I'm amazed that he got over as well as he did squashing random jobbers in 30-60 seconds every week.
Ryan Deffley Hogan, Warrior, and Savage won all the time too. If John Cena lost more or if Hogan, Warrior, Savage were shown as beatable, then not only wouldn't it mean anything anymore, but it weakens the entire roster. So maybe people need to think before they say that this guy should lose more because John Cena losing all the time is not a good thing for the roster. Beating John Cena doesn't automatically main somebody a star. It's been proven time and time again.
Ryan Deffley big difference, Goldberg dominated the MIDCARD for 1 year. Goldberg squashed jobbers. John Cena dominated the main event scene for 10 years and buried potential main event stars.
I love these Cena defending shills who say that Cena has no say in how he's booked or featured yet The Rock, Stone Cold, ans Hogan did.... They're the same cretins that think Brock Lesnar is one of the best WWE stars ever cause he fought in UFC lol, I am SURE they don't believe that about Ken Shamrock
sedcdf I agree, I was just pointing out the Lesnar marks defense of Lesnar cause he fought in UFC yet most of them hated Ken Shamrock because he fought in MMA/UFC
Charles Hackett Jr. Yeah, and Vince told Shamrock that he can't use his MMA moves in the WWF because its not Sports Entertaining?Federation moves. I heard when Brock came back he was allowed to do it and he was doing it. That was very hypocritical from Vince. lol.
I love the WWE so much but John Cena & Vince McMahon need to go in a hole different direction plain & simple it's always fucking "SuperCena" & I don't get it Cena is always getting protected.
how is cena out of touch? he wants to turn heel he is constantly adding new moves to his arsenal he is letting owens hit him with indy moves that vince doesnt want to see he put owens over clean, and now owens loses once and u think he doesnt want owens to get over? really? cena hasnt hogged any spotlight this year cause if he did he wouldve of made himself world champ, beat owens at ec and mitb BOTTOM LINE cena is not out of touch he cares for the future he wouldnt of put punk or bryan over if he didnt care for the future tired of this bullshit from guys like u
Also at EC Owens beat him clean which is something you can't really say for either Wyatt or Rusev when they were victorius aganst Cena & yeah Cena won at MITB but when is the last time Cena was taken out on a stretcher?
At least have a dq or countout if vince didnt want cena to lose in that match jesus same old shit i dont know why i watch cena matches wats the damme point
john actually beat lesnar the first time he came back at extreme rules 2012 , and the undertaker is too old. It wouldn't look good for cena to beat an old taker and if taker won john would look ridiculous beating an old man
Vince is more out of touch than Cena is, and John Cena makes money for them so there is no way that the WWE is going to kill their money maker, no matter how much bitching and whining that the fans do. Just removing John Cena and Vince Mcmahon will not solve WWE's problems. The WWE has the weakest main event roster in years. You not only see Kane continuously on screen, and also he's in main events. You have a terrible divas division, even though the fans don't give a shit who the divas champion is. Yes Cena and Vince are a problem, but it will take more than just having some up and comer pin Cena's shoulders on the mat, and they instantly become a star. It doesn't work like that. Nobody knows how exactly if John Cena even calls the shots without anybody having concrete proof. If he's told to do a job for somebody, he has to do it. This isn't WCW when Hogan and his boys did what they wanted. Austin couldn't get away with refusing to do a job if he is told to do so. Cena has some influence, but there is no way of knowing what he influences. He's not going to lose every single match that he's in.
& what exactly happened after the loss oh yeah right Owens powerbombe Cena on the apron & pretty much sort of like no sold the loss on RAW hell even attacked the guest host so can we stop complaining like Owens was buried or something especially when Owens will probably beat Cena in there tie breaker & win the US title at Battleground.
Lebron's appeal has never been higher? The hell are you smoking? Lebron is still the most hated man in basketball. You're literally not even allowed to speak anything NOT negative about him without being instantly labeled as a "dick rider" or various other homosexual references. Its cool and trendy to hate him and the people who do hate him can't accept differences of opinion. Its hard to talk basketball with a lot of people due to their irrationality and low basketball IQ.
Maybe the Reigns mega push is all a part of a grand or make that a master plan lol - Vince relentlessly pushes Reigns down our throats even more than he did Cena then by the end of it (in Vinces mind) we are all so sick and tired of Reigns so therefore we gain a new appreciation for Cena thereby giving Vince what he wanted all along - John Cena a unanimously cheered babyface making Reigns just a pawn all along! lol Cena wins! lol
I've heard Cena both on Austin's and Jericho's podcasts, he doesn't sound out of touch to me at all, he seems to be well aware of why the crowds boo his character and while talking to Austin, he publicly called out the company for being complacent over the years. If he is a yes-man and does whatever Vince tells him to do, that's obviously part of a problem, not a solution. Though I have heard reports before where Cena wanted to turn heel and was shot down, last year it was reported that he spoke up against bulldozing the Wyatts, but Vince wouldn't hear it. Cena also insisted on postponing his elbow surgery to put over Bryan at SS, while Vince wanted them to do a battle royal. So while Vince might be undeniably out of touch, I think the John Cena situation seems to be a bit more complex. I think HHH would be able to handle Cena a lot better than Vince.
When he was feuding The Rock in 2012 for 'Mania 28, they had music and even merchandise already made for him, but yeah, they decided not to do it.
+al112v5 John Cena has already said that he doesn't want to turn heel because "he doesn't have that club in the bag", it's not creative its Cena
King Magic Vince clearly doesn't want to but Cena also has the last word on his character.
al112v5 I agree Cena's been real selfish these last 10 years
King Magic It would be interesting if Cena for real wanted to change his character with Vince's disapproval, or otherwise, Vince wanting change but Cena saying no. Who knows, a real heated backstage relationship turned into an a storyline, I could take WWE interesting and serious again for once, and I'll probably be not the only one.
The Rediculusness of Comparing John Cena to Superman,the difference is Superman Struggles to win his fight and he's being tested through trials and hardships,he lost to Batman a couple of times and sometimes he was the antagonist
Cena is always the good guy,he doesnt't show any stress winning feuds,he always gets his redemption when he loses,he rarely loses cleanly,and when he loses,he justifies his loses and looks like a jackass when he tries to justify his loss.
Superman = Can be the symbol of hope when he's written right
Cena = the Biggest Corporate shell in WWE history
SinCity2100 Great points. I keep telling people to stop comparing cena and superman. They're not the same.
When did he lose to Batman? The fight where Batman faked his own death because he knew he couldn't win, you mean? Aside from that, I do agree with you, though.
FrenziedMadness25 Yeah,I know that wasn't a defeat,I meant Batman threw the last punch before faking his own death.
Superman doesnt have heardships, hes already the toughest hero on the planet.
SinCity2100 lmao dam
The one who is out of touch here is Vince McMahon. Cena is more in touch with what fans want than the creative team is. The problem is, he's a big fat yes man. Anything Vince wants, Vince gets.
That is completely false and his character shows that.
83jdc1 I'm guessing you didn't watch him podcast with Jericho, or other interviews outside WWE. He openly admits when he was excited when they were planning to turn him heel in 2012,he completely understands why hardcore don't like him. He's in touch for sure,he's just more worried about being the hero to children than he is about us hardcore fans,which is completely understandable.
***** John Cena could play Vince McMahon like a marionette if he wanted to. He has that kind of leverage,I wish he'd take advantage of it like HBK,Austin,& many others did.
Pennsatucky Doggett You really want Cena to take advantage of his leverage like HBK and Austin..............you sure about that?
wwetnaful Yeah I'm sure,lots of guys like Hogan,Austin,HBK,Hart
3 years later, John Cena is gone and Vince is still out of touch
4 years later. Cena is back, and now isn't out of touch, and Vince is throwing a temper tantrum cause he lost his power to a man with a huge nose.
Where are all that fans who said Cena helped Rusev? Is that guy even on roster any more?
Petar Gulin He is injured.
Petar Gulin Rusev was feuding against Big Show, Mark Henry, and JACK SWAGGER........please enlighten me how he is in a worse position now than before Cena..........
When i first heard rusev was faceing cena i got my funeral suit ready because i know what was gonna happen and it actually did happen rusev career pretty much got killed he didnt beat cena clean not once he lost the belt the girl and made him look like a bitch and that the same suit i whore to wyatt career funeral
wwetnaful He is in worse position because he is no longer an undefeated beast but a sore loser just like Bray wyatt was , just like Barett became and just like ryback became worse after feuding with Cena.
I have a friend who is a casual fan, no internet bullshit just watcher raw and smackdown like any normal fans and even he doesnt support cena and says why should I when the man can win no matter what. See now even casual fans are not attracted. Cena will always get soem response from every crowd as he is the top dog in the business so he will have support but in long term his character is causing damage.
gameboys2020 Was Rusev suppose to be undefeated forever. "He is in worse position because he is no longer an undefeated beast but a sore loser"..............literally Rusev would have lost to ANYONE and that would happen........
So here it goes, John - I'm listening, Vince - You'll lose the first match - WHAT?! - But you'll win the rematch and that will end the feud - Oh, ok I was scared for a moment - Don't worry. Then you'll cut a promo of how you never give up - Again? - Trust me, John. They'll love it! - Right right - Then you'll say how passionate you are, working every day for the past ten years, and then we'll find you a fresh feud with a guy that everybody likes, so you can fuck him up in the rematch again.
If Vince was in charge of the nba. The score of every finals game after the 3rd quarter would be warriors-75, cavs-50.
The final score of each game would be warriors-78, cavs-150.
"He's a tool. They use him to make money, he doesn't make them money." A lot of people won't be able to grasp that concept.
MVP's losing streak is, in my opinion, one of the best shows of character building displayed by WWE. The audience watched as MVP's ego was chipped away with each loss. As he lost confidence in himself and became more vulnerable, the crowd's vitriol turned into sympathy. It got to the point where the crowd started rooting for him to win, completing his slow turn from heel to face
I wish that WWE would remember this storyline.
I remember thay storyline he went like 0-25 he beat someone and turn face and he was over
CARLITO... That's not cool!
I can't believe people are acting like Cena has no creative control over his character, storylines and whether he wins or loses. Guys, he's been with the company for 15 years, been on the main roster for 13 years and been in the Main Event for over 10 years, of course he has fucking say over what he does.
In Cena's defense, professional wrestling is basically a one-show town now, don't give me this TNA or ROH crap... they are both nothing on WCW, ECW, independent wrestling companies in the 1990s or the wrestling territories preceding that, they're just not. If that era of wrestling was still around, it would be much different.
It feels weird that Cena is probably going to end his career trouncing Ric Flair's World Championship record, considering he's 38 now and probaby won't pack it in until his mid 40s, at least.
He mostly will. Sadly.
flavio gjoni John Cena will be hall of famer due to Vince, Steph, and Paul-uuuhh forcing it.. but the purists like us and Schlegdaddy will never accept that and he will be unanimously booed and Vince will edit it out as he always does with babyfaces getting no reaction despite the WWE forcing them down our throats
Charles Hackett Jr. I will happen.
I can understand his analogy. The sports equivalent of John cena is Magic Johnson or Derek jeter. Both were champions right out of the box. In magic sense. He was in the finals every year in the 80s except for two years.
Lebron's Brand is
1. Flopping
2. Crying for fouls in transition
3. being a narcissist
4. Being outscored by a bench player in the 2011 nba finals
5. Shooting 39% for this nba finals series.
6. Giving up in game 5 vs boston in 2010.
7. Said no-one should wear number 23. Switch's to six and back to 23.
8. About to be 2-4 in the nba finals
9. Play's in the weakest era of eastern conference basketball ever
10. Blames camera guy for not moving. Even though he flop's into the camera.
Talking about his shooting percentage these finals is just looking for excuses to pile on. LeBron had this team in position to have won this series in 5 games, his teammates didn't show up when needed. Damn man is averaging almost a 40 point triple double with nobody else around him.
keepitrealquise Lebron is playing amazing. He isn't shoot well this nba finals. All stats matter unless you watch espn propaganda.
keepitrealquise Injuries happen. Tristan thompson and mozgov are good players.
lopido They are good players but neither of them are SCORERS. They can't create their own shot. This is why Kyrie not playing hurts them cuz he's the one other guy on that team that can create his own shot off the dribble. This means they can key on LeBron at all times and his shooting percentage went down because of it.
Carlito was put over in 2004 when Cena wasn't a main eventer, and wasn't Super Cena at that time.
Goldberg dominated the MIDCARD for 1 year and squashed jobbers.
Cena dominated the MAIN EVENT scene for 10 years and buried potential mainevent stars.
+TheFutureKing That's the main difference between Goldberg and Cena. If only the idiots comparing Goldberg to Cena which is an insult to Goldberg could understand that.
Xehanort10 difference is that Goldberg has talent and Cena doesn’t
@@pwx13 well not much talent but can be related to.
People who think that Cena doesn't have backstage politics or creative control are stupid and trolls. He is the face of the company! It doesn't make sense if he didn't have that authority, it's no different the the territorial days, 80s, 90s or what have you! When top guys had that same authority, stop being so stupid and understand how the business backstage works! It's always been this way, why the hell would it change now!!! You wouldn't have Cena going over 95% of the time if he didn't have this leverage!!
exactly! !
+5Catano4SMMA7 Proof of Cena's backstage pull is stuff like Nikki Bella getting a run with the Divas Title just because she's his girlfriend. And she's so naive and idiotic she thinks she got the title for a reason other than being Cena's girlfriend.
When I told my dad The Undertaker's streak ended,his first guess was that Carlito ended it, I never let him know he was wrong.
OffLeatherWings this video is pointless. It's easier to rant about negative stuff and ignore creative positive videos like this one: ruclips.net/video/2m0w98-7q0Y/видео.html
that's why spinnernet was my favorite wrestling youtuber back in the day. he did creative, smart, positive videos like this all the time.
Vlad Radulescu Ah,nice roster man,got people from all over.
And yeah,I loved spinnernet1 back from like 2008-2011,he was great. You know he actually returned to doing videos,he doesn't talk about wrestling but he did a great review of Breaking Bad,my favorite show ever.
OffLeatherWings what's his youtube channel?
Vlad Radulescu spinnernet1,same channel as before. He did a video about Warrior's passing,and he still has his 25 best Wrestlemania matches video from 6 years ago.
Cena is just a product of the system
It has gotten to the point where even my grandma, who is a huge wrestling mark for the babyfaces, gets tired of seeing John Cena win all the time. So much so that she falls asleep on his matches.
Everyone is fed to John Cena at some point. Bray Wyatt buried, Rusev Buried. I love Owens but he's next in line for Cena's yearly burial.
Afro Thunder Just like how everyone was fed to Hogan during the Hogan era. Just like how everyone was fed to HBK, and Austin when they were on top. Everyone was fed to Bob Backlaud in the 70's, and everyone was fed to Sammartino back in the 60's. It's common knowledge that guys were fed to the top guys, especially the baby faces until their run is over. It will be like that after Cena is gone too.
eagleslfootball I never said it was only a cena problem. It's a WWE problem. Burying other guys to get over one guy(currently the Roman reigns treatment). The concept is flawed because the rock was at the top of his game back in 1998-2002 and still put over guys. The rock didn't always win his matches. He was not a burying tool. Meaning john cena after all these years could lose much more matches and still be very credible considering all the guys he's beat. No argument here. No cena hate but it's a WWE thing with top guy's which is frustrating.
Money Matt someone needs to injure John Cena permanently so he can’t bury anyone else. Just put cena out of his misery
The merchandise is bs. Apart from cena who has any merch that you'd genuinely want to buy? Cena gets all the best designs
Your analogy to Lebron James was appropriate. Look at how long Vince kept hulkamania going in the 80's. He wore it out like he wore out Cena. I quit watching the WWF in the late 80's because I was sick of Hogan, much like I've been sick of the Cena character the last several years.
It isn't the Cena name that draws, it's the WWE name that draws. I think Stephanie McMahon said it best.
"It's not where would WWE be without John Cena. It's where would John Cena be without WWE. "
Because he's basically the face of the damn company , he woul'd be the top guy anywhere else an you no it , with or without so in other word's and i hate saying this shit but without botch cena than wwe is fucked , unless you have brock leasner but while he's gone than yeeeeea it's all cena cena cena sadly but true .
Sid If you truly believe the WWE would fucked without Cena you are very naive.
Sid Good. It would be the kick up the ass that everyone in that company needs.
@@Sid-bc2in wwe is fucked without cena but if cena wasn't part of wwe in the first place wwe would probably still be in the attitude era by now, so if cena wasn't in wwe in the first place I think wwe would have been better off by now.
Cena may love the business but he obviously loves Cena much more
Not to mention Del Rio, Sandow and Ziggler. Since Cena one quit, another one is on stunt double with -2 direction and the other one is a midcarder for life.
And sadly Cena got a lot of defenders this past times because he's on matches of the year and doing all this charity RESPECT THE MAN. It's incredibly how easily the WWE can change people's minds with these tactics. The guy was and always is a dirty politician and probably one the most selfish and insecure ones.
Luis Roulette No one ever cared about Del Rio, Ziggler has always been Mr. Stop and Push since Rey didn't want to drop the IC title in 2009, and Sandow was a jobber even when he won MITB
wwetnaful Yes, but the creative cared about Del Rio until Cena. Ziggler was red hot when he had the MITB then Cena fucked him.
Sandow was forgotten but they gave him the briefcase so maybe he could rebuild himself but no, they only gave him to make Cena not the only one that failed on cashing in. It's sad.
Creative cared about Del Rio until he jobbed to Edge at WM 27, then they actually try to rebuild him against Cena and completely jobbed him out to CM Punk, Ziggler never had a chance as Mr. MITB (they gave him the briefcase so they can job him out to Jericho the next month later), and creative had sooooo much faith with Sandow they gave him the MITB........so he can lose every match he was in for 4 months before attempting to cash in on Cena........And yet people complain about a jobber NOT winning the top title
wwetnaful No. They gave Del Rio the title in 2011, than he lost in his first title defense to Cena, than won it back fro m Cena by burying Punk and beat Cena in LMS with the help of 2 guys. Feud with Cena made him look like a jobber. And also, Sandow wasn't pushed, but it was Cena who turned him into a jobber after beating him with one arm. End of the story.
HBK492 Del Rio lost the belt to Cena but at least he won it back from Cena in 2011, but do you even remember his feud against CM Punk afterwards? Punk basically buried him on the mic with another one of his "pipebombs" by saying Del Rio is boring and no one cares abut his destiny and then he said he was going to make the title mean something. What even worse is he beat Del Rio clean in his first title defense and was never the same again. His feud with Punk did more damage to him than and match he had with Cena. And I'm sorry but Sandow was a total jobber before losing to Cena, when you can't get a spot on Mania 29 against Brodus Clay, win the MITB later in the year, but then lose on every preshow while carrying a briefcase.....you don't need Cena to beat you to confirm being a jobber..........
WWE just scared to death to taking chances on tomorrow new wrestlers. How the company is going to get better if they're keep on doing the same formula?
John Cena has literally beaten everyone on the roster at least once. Who is really left for him to face that would actually make an intriguing match?
He hasn't beat reigns yet I don't believe but I completely agree. At this point Reigns is the only guy that I would think would have a chance against the Cena monster.
83jdc1 and no one even wants to see that
shocktonic I would pay money to see that surprisingly. I just want to see who the WWE would put over.
***** I think the only reason why he hasn't feud and beat Reigns 1 on 1 is because maybe and just maybe Vince sees Reigns as the next top guy but Cena on the otherhand stubbornly would definitely say 'No' if he was asked to make Reigns go over him because it would make him look bad. So in the end, maybe WWE decides that it better if these 2 should not feud with each other. just my opinion though
83jdc1 yeah roman regins is the guy. Smfh.
Yeah I see a Roman vs cena feud coming. And Cena or Roman wining the rumble
Vince and John cena both ruined The Rock's return. They shifted on his career breaking kayfabe and basically his 2013 was a the most watered down version of the rock just for cena to get him over at mania
24:46 i had ear phones in with the volume up and that scared the shit out me
Cena doesn't decide anything, just gets told what to do like everyone else
True but cena has had a few times where he told vince he wanted to go over edge and jericho said it themselves on a podcast
Ben Munday Well he is a top star, he has stroke. But yes, it's not like he is head of creative or something.
KalvinEllis ya I know I never said he was I was just saying a few times
You gotta think that Owens is the next big heel in the company... Isn't it funny that hes currently feuding with the biggest heel atm
OTRSCentral I get totally what you're saying, but If Vince was booking the NBA, Lebron wouldn't be Lebron. He would be Carmelo Anthony, and Dirk and the Mavs would win every year.
Yeah, Cena really elevates the younger talent......he picks them up, then A.A.'s them for the win....just ask Sandow
Comrade Cena is showing his true colors, he just through millions of free True Chinese to the wolves. Lost all respect for Cena.
It is time for a 15reasons why Cena sucks video.
I really don't understand what is with you fans and this hatred towards Vince McMahon and John Cena. Vince McMahon had one of the greatest minds in wrestling and you all know it. So when he's booking John Cena like he should, he knows what he's doing. And let's face it people, if you were John Cena's spot, you'd all do the same thing. And that is make yourself look good.
TheUltimateWWEApologist You said it right there.......Vince McMahon HAD one of the greatest minds in wrestling....as in he once did but not anymore.
Hulk Hogan IN HIS PRIME...put over Warrior and Macho Man CLEAN. ...name one Big star Cena put over clean? ??
Charles Hackett Jr. He only put over Warrior clean because he was going out to film a movie, and he never put Savage over clean. Nice revisionist history
+eagleslfootball Yes keep making excuses just to defend your favorite WWE star Cena
Having Cena play the same old "invincible superhero who can only be beaten by cheating or interference, hardly ever loses clean and has excuses made for his losses even when he loses clean and otherwise always wins" character for 13 years isn't Vince booking Cena like he should. Top babyfaces should lose cleanly every so often.
You can't compare WWE to the NBA. Basketball isn't scripted or predetermined. The main reason why most people dislike Cena is because he is booked to beat everyone that is put in front of him. I can't speak for every fan but, if I saw him win an actual honest to god fight I would dislike him just little less. Also Hollywood would gladly take the Cena script. Ever heard a little movie called Rocky? Rocky Balboa got his win back all the time. He barely lost to Creed in the first movie. Then he beat him in the 2nd movie. Then in the 3rd he lost to Clubber Lang and in the same movie he got his win back.
He was saying it as an example that no one likes a guy that's unbeatable.
Rayford Thomas If the guy is unbeatable and actually earns that status with no predetermined outcome I wouldn't mind it as much as when Cena does it.
There are some flaws with the argument
Brock Lesner was put over by Cena and has stay elevated
Bray Wyatt lost to Cena but then got to a point where he was one of the few wrestlers who fuded with the Undertaker at Wrestlemania
Meanwhile even if Cena put over CM Punk and Daniel Bryan for selfish reasons the fact is still that Cena DID put them over.
We need a John Cena Out Of Touch music video.
This crap all started when he unveiled the "Spinner-Belt" championship? My GOD!!! That lasted for far too long, even when the title changed hands, the belt design still didn't change. It finally took The Rock to change the damn belt design to what it is now and this guy is STILL at the top. He might not be World Champ anymore, but that shit is irrelevant at this point. It's not about titles anymore with his character, he can have any title he so desires at the drop of a dime.
...I was leading to some point, but halfway through me writing this I don't even care anymore. That's a problem, but it seems like that's the only way WWF/E will finally see that ppl are fed up to the point where they don't give a fuck anymore
They don't , they stop caring years ago xD
Sid They only cared when WCW was chasing them.
To quote Howard stern when somebody complained about Batista winning the 2014 Rumble: It's scripted dude, who cares who wins or loses?
romans52345 So?, it gets annoying when the same thing happens for 10 years....scripted or not, our favourite superstars always have to bow down to this fake marine and his master.
dflowers30 Excellent point.
That is such a bullshit statement. Cena always fucking win a feud. The only feud he lost clean was with Brock Lesnar, but he's a part-timer & he's in his late 30s
Probably cause Cena does "favours" for Vinne Mac in the office. Pun intended.
xD
+HollowGaming Either that or Cena pimps out Nikki Bella to Vince from time to time.
Forgive me for asking, but wouldn't a James Bond movie be like a John Cena storyline in film form?
SpenceDaFence LOL, naw because at least Bond puts over his villains more than Cena.
Lol that is true
SpenceDaFence There is an anime called Reborn. I watched it when I was younger. They had the character there that was like Cena. Well, he had much more interesting personality, but as Cena he never lost. Even the one time he did, it was because of the other guy cheating, and yet he still menaged to knock his opponent down, but at the end anime Cena didn't get up, but his opponent did, still losing in very Cena style.
Whats the point mate ... RAW is for kiddies (Cena admitted that live on Raw)
No one older then 10 cant make a sense of it. Same old shit every week.
Only fun is when Brock is there physically.
Vince is out of touch, not Cena. Cena just wants the spotlight, Vince is the one that says what goes.
its not just cena and vince but the whole regime needs to go dunn, ps hayes, hollywood writers, the board of directors need to give creative to hunter, heyman, shane and i promise u, u'll have a better product
Haymen ? yes , shane ? Maybe , stephinie ? Hell no
"the product will continue to feel like the epic waste of time it has been for several years now"
And you know that you're still going to watch it and waste even more time ranting for 30 minutes every week on the internet instead of just watching another wrestling show that you might appreciate. Vince is not out of touch, he can do whatever he wants because he know that those who complain every time Cena wins are still going to watch his show every week.
I tell him to watch another wrestling show instead of wasting so much time complaining about a tv show that no one force him to watch, how is that kissing WWE's ass ? Poor delusional PG kids on the internet.
They won't, you know why ? Because they know that no matter what, these fans who complain all day on the internet are still going to watch their show instead of watching and supporting another wrestling promotion.
CARLITO..... That's not cool
WWE will be a better place when Vince Mcmahon dies-Cm Punk
Vince has been out of touch since 1994. With Cena it's a good bad thing. He's good for the product, even though his character is old and stale as fuck. The alternatives to Cena aren't that great/
I feel we've mulled over the point a million times. It's not likely to change. I mean, you take into account that WWE will always get asses in seats. And whether you feel raw about Cena or not, makes no difference. John will always be the proverbial figurehead because Vincent Kennedy McMahon and the united WWE machine is never going give that up.
If we truly want to invest our time in better wrestling, we must advocate it. Quit making it seem like such a chore to watch professional wrestling and embody what it means to be a "hardcore" fan. Advocate what needs to be done or refuse to watch. Simple. I mean, I barely watch WWE's televised shows . I don't feel like I miss anything . And no matter how much I hope for a better show, WWE, in all it's glory, never cease to make that a pipe dream. It's even a chore to watch reviewers because there is no enthusiasm in their reviews. So much so, that topic such this will beaten to death. I mean better were the days when we could speak highly of WWE. That be another thing; nostalgia trips. Why do we have to equate the present to the past? I believe we've become out of touch as well if we got to dig so far back to find better days. But I guess that will be the norm because wrestling has become lost art. We are left with stagnant character, mediocre builds that lead to nowhere, and insatiable amount of recycling the same concept at nauseam.
I feel we as fans, whether casual or die-hard, are more at war with ourselves than the company. You have some who wish for change, some who are find with the way it is, and some who . . . .just don't care. In the end, we still watch. Inspite of monotony that is sports entertainment, we will contribute our time in watching guys like John Cena do his usual shtick almost every night if he sees fit.
One major contradiction in an otherwise very good video. If Cena is as much of a corporate tool as you claim, by design he in fact wouldn't have nearly as much control over his character as other top super stars had. What good is a corporate shill if he isn't 100% under your command?
Considering the glaring lack of reports over the last 10 years influencing an argument Cena is a politician to the likes of Hogan, Austin or HHH (where wrestling politics goes, there will be smoke at some point in a 10+ year stint at the top). Combined with the overbearing, extravagance of the Cena brand and how it dominates every arm of WWE's business model, lends me to a manner of thinking that Cena is merely just a willing pawn. Which makes his sin something which has hurt WWE more than politicians since 2001, he's the ultimate yes man.
John Cena is a good wrestler,a damn good one. But damn aren't we all tired of him being the same.
I hate when marks say "Oh it's not Cena's fault,he just does what creative tells him." Jeez they act like he's some rookie on his first day. The dude is the CASH-COW of that company. He can play Vince McMahon like a marionette. You think guys like Hogan,Austin,HBK,& Hart let Vince push them around? No because they had leverage and knew how to use it.
+Alex Vause You don't believe in that first sentence in your comment.
There is only one person who can save us from John Cena....Finn Balor. Think about it he can get over with adults and kids alike, he is really good in ring and on the mic, hes the perfect star for the WWE and Vince Mcmahon is a fan of him and so is HHH. If they really want to prove that they like Finn, then let him beat cena, who the hell is gonna side with cena when Finn does the Demon entrance? NOBODY. He is the only guy besides Brock Lesnar who can beat Cena clean and kids will like Finn due to his Superhero look and the bodypaint. WWE can fuck up Owens because they're stupid, but they cant possibly fuck up Finn Balor.
Mutant Magma You would think they wouldn't fuck up Balor, but then they did fuck up Bray Wyatt.
Marlon White True, but I think Finn can connect to a wider audience. I like Bray Wyatt, but they made him a heel when 75% of the crowd cheered him and the people who booed him are mostly kids. If they keep Finn a face people are gonna cheer him and he can be one of the top faces for the company.
You really need to invest in a mic that wont rape my ears with distortion when you yell :P
My Respect for Lebron Went up to big time.
It seems to me when we tell Vince he's out of touch, he takes it as a compliment. With Cena, same scenario. Also, to me, when Cena won his first WWE title at Wrestlemania, slowly but surely he broke free from the Thuganomics characters and started acting like, "I am no longer mortal!". These two have been butt buddies for the past decade and I'm suprised Vince and/or Cena don't have man batter stains on their pants after every Raw and PPV during this timeframe.
cocaine is a hell of a drug
I do know better. I stopped watching a while ago.
Based on your thoughts of Cena always winning and being predictable, you must have HATED Goldberg w-a passion. Haha I'm amazed that he got over as well as he did squashing random jobbers in 30-60 seconds every week.
Ryan Deffley Hogan, Warrior, and Savage won all the time too. If John Cena lost more or if Hogan, Warrior, Savage were shown as beatable, then not only wouldn't it mean anything anymore, but it weakens the entire roster. So maybe people need to think before they say that this guy should lose more because John Cena losing all the time is not a good thing for the roster. Beating John Cena doesn't automatically main somebody a star. It's been proven time and time again.
Ryan Deffley big difference, Goldberg dominated the MIDCARD for 1 year.
Goldberg squashed jobbers. John Cena dominated the main event scene for 10 years and buried potential main event stars.
I am only gonna respect Cema if he starts to job more.
He should only lose every once in awhile but when he does lose it should be clean unlike what they usually do with him.
83jdc1 Actually, he must lose not just matches, but feuds.
flavio gjoni I agree he should lose fueds but not everyone. He should still win most if his fueds so when he does lose it makes it meaningful.
83jdc1 Too late.
flavio gjoni too late for what. Cena still has at least 5 years left in him.
Well said.
Where the draft already?
John Cena,Vince Mchmahon,HHH are the reasons the WWE product is stale !
***** cena does his job
And HHH can't do his jobe because of vinny.
Relax dude...
I love these Cena defending shills who say that Cena has no say in how he's booked or featured yet The Rock, Stone Cold, ans Hogan did....
They're the same cretins that think Brock Lesnar is one of the best WWE stars ever cause he fought in UFC lol, I am SURE they don't believe that about Ken Shamrock
Charles Hackett Jr. Ken Shamrock was gonna get pushed if he stayed longer iin the WWF instead of leaving for UFC.
sedcdf I agree, I was just pointing out the Lesnar marks defense of Lesnar cause he fought in UFC yet most of them hated Ken Shamrock because he fought in MMA/UFC
Charles Hackett Jr. Yeah, and Vince told Shamrock that he can't use his MMA moves in the WWF because its not Sports Entertaining?Federation moves. I heard when Brock came back he was allowed to do it and he was doing it. That was very hypocritical from Vince. lol.
I love the WWE so much but John Cena & Vince McMahon need to go in a hole different direction plain & simple it's always fucking "SuperCena" & I don't get it Cena is always getting protected.
how is cena out of touch?
he wants to turn heel
he is constantly adding new moves to his arsenal
he is letting owens hit him with indy moves that vince doesnt want to see
he put owens over clean, and now owens loses once and u think he doesnt want owens to get over? really?
cena hasnt hogged any spotlight this year cause if he did he wouldve of made himself world champ, beat owens at ec and mitb
BOTTOM LINE
cena is not out of touch he cares for the future he wouldnt of put punk or bryan over if he didnt care for the future
tired of this bullshit from guys like u
TheOutlaw Why do people say he has backstage power and can do anything?
Yarn....zzzz there are cena fans out there and he is not champ why the hell are complaining
Same shut different title.
Also at EC Owens beat him clean which is something you can't really say for either Wyatt or Rusev when they were victorius aganst Cena & yeah Cena won at MITB but when is the last time Cena was taken out on a stretcher?
Ethan
I c ur point.
At least have a dq or countout if vince didnt want cena to lose in that match jesus same old shit i dont know why i watch cena matches wats the damme point
time to fire john cena there is nothing left for him to do. Its pretty funny to think about. There is no legit opponent left for him
Lesnar? He never beat him clean and he never beaten the Undertaker either
john actually beat lesnar the first time he came back at extreme rules 2012 , and the undertaker is too old. It wouldn't look good for cena to beat an old taker and if taker won john would look ridiculous beating an old man
pwx13 Yeah and Cena win in 2012 wasn't clean. Since Lesnar was only 50% ready.
Max Pierre He's beaten Undertaker, that was waaaaay back in 2003 though and yeah wasn't clean either
still its way too sad that cena only has one or two options left
hate to say it but nothing will truly get better until Vince is dead :(
Lol if Vince was running the NBA there would be no kobe, lebron, shaq, mj, magic, ect. lmao
LMAO is that a rasict joke? Or you just mean he Building one player up.
Its double edged. He the type that would make sure jordan never got a pippen and kobe never got a shaq. Lmao
KILLcolorstruck LMAO. he bury Pippen and Bury Shaw or kobe
Vince is more out of touch than Cena is, and John Cena makes money for them so there is no way that the WWE is going to kill their money maker, no matter how much bitching and whining that the fans do. Just removing John Cena and Vince Mcmahon will not solve WWE's problems. The WWE has the weakest main event roster in years. You not only see Kane continuously on screen, and also he's in main events. You have a terrible divas division, even though the fans don't give a shit who the divas champion is. Yes Cena and Vince are a problem, but it will take more than just having some up and comer pin Cena's shoulders on the mat, and they instantly become a star. It doesn't work like that. Nobody knows how exactly if John Cena even calls the shots without anybody having concrete proof. If he's told to do a job for somebody, he has to do it. This isn't WCW when Hogan and his boys did what they wanted. Austin couldn't get away with refusing to do a job if he is told to do so. Cena has some influence, but there is no way of knowing what he influences. He's not going to lose every single match that he's in.
& what exactly happened after the loss oh yeah right Owens powerbombe Cena on the apron & pretty much sort of like no sold the loss on RAW hell even attacked the guest host so can we stop complaining like Owens was buried or something especially when Owens will probably beat Cena in there tie breaker & win the US title at Battleground.
Lebron's appeal has never been higher? The hell are you smoking? Lebron is still the most hated man in basketball. You're literally not even allowed to speak anything NOT negative about him without being instantly labeled as a "dick rider" or various other homosexual references. Its cool and trendy to hate him and the people who do hate him can't accept differences of opinion. Its hard to talk basketball with a lot of people due to their irrationality and low basketball IQ.
En4cer2K9 yup same goes with wrestling, or anything for that matter when it comes to sports. It's more trendy to hate on someone than to like them.
really cause it seems to me that if you do say something negative about him you're instantly labeled as a hater.
Maybe the Reigns mega push is all a part of a grand or make that a master plan lol - Vince relentlessly pushes Reigns down our throats even more than he did Cena then by the end of it (in Vinces mind) we are all so sick and tired of Reigns so therefore we gain a new appreciation for Cena thereby giving Vince what he wanted all along - John Cena a unanimously cheered babyface making Reigns just a pawn all along! lol Cena wins! lol