Nikole Hanna Jones-Thank you for being honest and putting in the work, making people aware of the true harsh realities. Education is very important in a child's development.
Powerful speaker and very insightful when it comes to researching the disparities in our school systems. Her speech underscores the school to prison pipeline that we see in undeserved high poverty school systems.
The fact is that every single failing black school is in urban areas that have been controlled by democrats for decades. Democrat mayors and democrat city councils. One after the other for the past 50 years. And yet nothing ever changes. Until the unfortunate blacks that live in these areas decide they want something better nothing will ever change. The cycle of poverty and violence in the inner-cities will never change. Can you tell me any policy differences between Lori Lightfoot and Brandon Johnson. Of course not because there are none. They both are invested in maintaining the status quo. There is money and power in keeping urban blacks poor, angry and dependent on the government.
This was a great discussion! I can't imagine how an emerging or experience journalist is not inspired to be a better reporter (black, white or otherwise) after listening to this discussion. Nikole touched on some key points on how one should report and explore stories. Lastly, I hope African-American/Black (descendant of slaves) look into the Ida B. Well organization mentioned at the end. Unfortunately, liked mentioned in this discussion this group is the least supported regardless if it's not accepted into schools or career jobs so I believe the org would be of great service. For the record, I just discovered Nikole. I have no affiliations to her org. I appreciate what she is doing as a journalist, author and lecture. I look forward to discovering more of her work. She is a reason to pick up a NYT magazine!
I admire the seldom straight talk from the heart. I see the white moderators and audiences listening but honestly not willing to make any meaningful changes to integration.
Academia has taken another great leap. Backward. I don't like rewriting history with bold strokes of bullshit. It muddies the past instead of clarifying it.
In 1619, there was no United States of America! Those that formed the Colonies into a united entity saw slavery as wrong . . . which is why the 'Declaration of Independence' was worded as it was. While existing in an obviously racist environment, we had people striving to make this new united from of government a kind of placed where the rights of the people were predominant over the government itself . . . a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. We see the roots of the elimination of slavery were in the minds of the forefathers because, within almost 30 years of the founding of the United States of America, it became illegal to import slaves from Africa or the West Indies! By the 1860's, America had a Civil War to eliminate slavery altogether . . . and President Lincoln signed the 'Emancipation Proclamation' which is no doubt part of the reason he was murdered by assassination by John Wilkes Booth! To think the United States is a racist nation is folly and ignorant of the truth and reality . . . the '1619 Project' is more an attempt at spreading reality in the form of half-truths and propaganda, than an attempt at the spreading of enlightenment through education. It is all to obvious that slaves were brought to North America well before 1619 . . . but the originators of the '1619 Project' seem to have forgotten who sold these slaves in the first place! It was from their own people that gathered these slave up while still in Africa . . . Africans sold their own people into slavery and these slaves went to many places other than just to North America! But these 'truths' don't fit the narrative of the '1619 Project' and will never be revealed by them!
Yes, it was "illegal" to import enslaved people (as if people obeyed the law). However, consider the following: A lot of contraband trade continued well after the cessation of the Asiento in 1807 and was carried out by northerners and southerners. The North furnished the ships that carried enslaved people; insurance companies were created to give the South policies to "insure their property"; banks provided loans and mortgages to slaveholders to buy more kidnapped people; and textile mills wove much of the cotton into cloth to sell on the international market. Everyone's hands were dirty! Why did Thomas Jefferson, a slaveholder himself, delete the prohibition against slavery before the Constitution was ratified? Because the other slaveholders refused to sign it until he did! Why was the 3/5ths clause included in the Constitution from the very beginning? Because slaveholders wanted to count enslaved people as part of their population for congressional seats while denying them freedom. Why was there a Civil War? Because slaveholders both North and South wanted to maintain an internationally lucrative operation based on stolen land from Native Americans and forced labor from stolen people. It does not matter that other Africans offered prisoners of war as slaves. So-called Christian Europeans did not have to purchase or exploit them for profit. Why were state Black Codes in the 1680s and 1690s enacted as well as federal U.S. Supreme Court rulings like the Dred Scott decision (1857), the repeal of the 1875 Civil Rights Act (in 1888), and the Plessy vs. Ferguson, "separate but equal" law (1896) enacted? To control every aspect of the lives of enslaved people. Why were Jim Crow laws enacted? To "keep black people in their place." Why was it necessary to have a modern Civil Rights Movement starting in the 1950s and moving forward? Because racial apartheid was/is entrenched in this society. Why was so much lynching done in the 19th, 20th, and 21st centuries, including recent police murders? Because many whites were jealous of the little economic success black people managed to achieve and decided that it would be easier to kill us than get along with us. Shall we continue? You need to really read and study history as it happened not as you imagine it. Thank you.
@@dellitaogunsola9544 All you have stated reveals just how deeply the WORLD-WIDE trade of slaves was and is! The fact is America is based on certain specific values that you seem to negate as some kind of 'White Supremacy' . . . when it is not nor ever was meant to be! The values these great men sought to instill into society are still grand values for all mankind, for all human beings! YOU WANT TO RANT ON ABOUT STUDYING HISTORY . . . BACK AT YOU . . . BECAUSE YOUR IGNORANCE IS SHOWING!!!
Seems to me you are merely arguing sentax! Nothing dissimilar to the epic "Chicken or egg came first?" conundrum. Whether an organized body was formed or a peoples peopled a formed politic (😂) & established laws, you have a "government". Spin your narrative if you must, just be principled and factual! #da system
While I think so many in the black community, and those that consider them selves allies, disparage this country more than they should and they don’t seem to have the context to understand most countries have done similar things, I think you’re missing a lot here. You should do as I’m doing and going through and watching multiple Long interviews with this writer. As I remember in a recent video I watched she said that she’s not trying to tell the history of slavery or other countries, she’s telling how she believes the original sin of America has has continued in one way or another. This is the country that started by saying it was for freedom and liberty for all, yet it did not live up to those ideas. I don’t agree that the country was founded by people who viewed slavery is wrong. Some dead, some didn’t. The one nice thing they could’ve done was make more laws protecting slaves. That you can’t force the women to have sex, you can’t sell their children, you can’t break up marriages, and you can’t whip them for small in fractions. It might not have necessarily been possible in that climate, but that tells you that wasn’t important. Even if it wasn’t necessarily normal to do from the federal government because of how the federal government was so limited and power, states could’ve done it. Or maybe they could’ve got around it and had the federal government basically say if you did do something really bad to a slave that they were able to see you, Collect money, and buy their own freedom. I’m not even saying it would necessarily work hardly ever, but maybe it would set up some morality and how slaves should be treated. My viewpoint is that people who are enthralled with the 1619 project very possibly like to view this country as horrible in one form or another, and maybe people like you like to view it as virtually all the black community’s fault and that the country is the best in the world.
@@dellitaogunsola9544 - I’m so glad you didn’t mention anything incorrect about the 3/5ths compromise. So many people view that as disparaging Black people because they were only counted as 3/5ths. But obviously the problem is that 3/5 is too high, it should’ve been 1/5 or nothing. But every time I hear about 3/5th in the constitution people act as though it’s immoral that Black slaves were not a full person for the census. And people who know better don’t correct those who don’t know any better.
Nikole Hanna Jones-Thank you for being honest and putting in the work, making people aware of the true harsh realities. Education is very important in a child's development.
Powerful speaker and very insightful when it comes to researching the disparities in our school systems. Her speech underscores the school to prison pipeline that we see in undeserved high poverty school systems.
The fact is that every single failing black school is in urban areas that have been controlled by democrats for decades. Democrat mayors and democrat city councils. One after the other for the past 50 years. And yet nothing ever changes.
Until the unfortunate blacks that live in these areas decide they want something better nothing will ever change. The cycle of poverty and violence in the inner-cities will never change.
Can you tell me any policy differences between Lori Lightfoot and Brandon Johnson. Of course not because there are none. They both are invested in maintaining the status quo. There is money and power in keeping urban blacks poor, angry and dependent on the government.
This was a great discussion! I can't imagine how an emerging or experience journalist is not inspired to be a better reporter (black, white or otherwise) after listening to this discussion. Nikole touched on some key points on how one should report and explore stories. Lastly, I hope African-American/Black (descendant of slaves) look into the Ida B. Well organization mentioned at the end. Unfortunately, liked mentioned in this discussion this group is the least supported regardless if it's not accepted into schools or career jobs so I believe the org would be of great service.
For the record, I just discovered Nikole. I have no affiliations to her org. I appreciate what she is doing as a journalist, author and lecture. I look forward to discovering more of her work. She is a reason to pick up a NYT magazine!
Awesome forum, moderator and particularly guest speaker.
I admire the seldom straight talk from the heart. I see the white moderators and audiences listening but honestly not willing to make any meaningful changes to integration.
Say that
They applaud their racism silently. White people are not ignorant about racism.
@@stephdrake2521 Go cry somewhere
@@prometheus5700 PLÄÄÄ, PLÄÄÄ, PLÄÄ. YAWN! You know.
Academia has taken another great leap. Backward. I don't like rewriting history with bold strokes of bullshit. It muddies the past instead of clarifying it.
Obviously you are interested in facts or history - just the version of history you agree with or like.
@@DG-cc6tx I'm interested in the truth. What else is there?
@@DG-cc6tx My history is something where genuine causal relations exist.
That has yet to be proven! Now is this YOUR incredible opinion or credible by fact?! Hmm...
In 1619, there was no United States of America! Those that formed the
Colonies into a united entity saw slavery as wrong . . . which is why
the 'Declaration of Independence' was worded as it was.
While existing in an obviously racist environment, we had people
striving to make this new united from of government a kind of placed
where the rights of the people were predominant over the government
itself . . . a government of the people, by the people, and for the
people.
We see the roots of the elimination of slavery were in the minds of the
forefathers because, within almost 30 years of the founding of the
United States of America, it became illegal to import slaves from Africa
or the West Indies!
By the 1860's, America had a Civil War to eliminate slavery altogether .
. . and President Lincoln signed the 'Emancipation Proclamation' which
is no doubt part of the reason he was murdered by assassination by John
Wilkes Booth!
To think the United States is a racist nation is folly and ignorant of
the truth and reality . . . the '1619 Project' is more an attempt at
spreading reality in the form of half-truths and propaganda, than an
attempt at the spreading of enlightenment through education.
It is all to obvious that slaves were brought to North America well
before 1619 . . . but the originators of the '1619 Project' seem to have
forgotten who sold these slaves in the first place! It was from their
own people that gathered these slave up while still in Africa . . .
Africans sold their own people into slavery and these slaves went to
many places other than just to North America! But these 'truths' don't
fit the narrative of the '1619 Project' and will never be revealed by
them!
Yes, it was "illegal" to import enslaved people (as if people obeyed the law). However, consider the following:
A lot of contraband trade continued well after the cessation of the Asiento in 1807 and was carried out by northerners and southerners. The North furnished the ships that carried enslaved people; insurance companies were created to give the South policies to "insure their property"; banks provided loans and mortgages to slaveholders to buy more kidnapped people; and textile mills wove much of the cotton into cloth to sell on the international market. Everyone's hands were dirty!
Why did Thomas Jefferson, a slaveholder himself, delete the prohibition against slavery before the Constitution was ratified? Because the other slaveholders refused to sign it until he did!
Why was the 3/5ths clause included in the Constitution from the very beginning?
Because slaveholders wanted to count enslaved people as part of their population for congressional seats while denying them freedom.
Why was there a Civil War?
Because slaveholders both North and South wanted to maintain an internationally lucrative operation based on stolen land from Native Americans and forced labor from stolen people. It does not matter that other Africans offered prisoners of war as slaves. So-called Christian Europeans did not have to purchase or exploit them for profit.
Why were state Black Codes in the 1680s and 1690s enacted as well as federal U.S. Supreme Court rulings like the Dred Scott decision (1857), the repeal of the 1875 Civil Rights Act (in 1888), and the Plessy vs. Ferguson, "separate but equal" law (1896) enacted?
To control every aspect of the lives of enslaved people.
Why were Jim Crow laws enacted?
To "keep black people in their place."
Why was it necessary to have a modern Civil Rights Movement starting in the 1950s and moving forward?
Because racial apartheid was/is entrenched in this society.
Why was so much lynching done in the 19th, 20th, and 21st centuries, including recent police murders?
Because many whites were jealous of the little economic success black people managed to achieve and decided that it would be easier to kill us than get along with us.
Shall we continue? You need to really read and study history as it happened not as you imagine it. Thank you.
@@dellitaogunsola9544 All you have stated reveals just how deeply the WORLD-WIDE trade of slaves was and is!
The fact is America is based on certain specific values that you seem to negate as some kind of 'White Supremacy' . . . when it is not nor ever was meant to be! The values these great men sought to instill into society are still grand values for all mankind, for all human beings!
YOU WANT TO RANT ON ABOUT STUDYING HISTORY . . . BACK AT YOU . . . BECAUSE YOUR IGNORANCE IS SHOWING!!!
Seems to me you are merely arguing sentax! Nothing dissimilar to the epic "Chicken or egg came first?" conundrum. Whether an organized body was formed or a peoples peopled a formed politic (😂) & established laws, you have a "government". Spin your narrative if you must, just be principled and factual! #da system
While I think so many in the black community, and those that consider them selves allies, disparage this country more than they should and they don’t seem to have the context to understand most countries have done similar things, I think you’re missing a lot here. You should do as I’m doing and going through and watching multiple Long interviews with this writer.
As I remember in a recent video I watched she said that she’s not trying to tell the history of slavery or other countries, she’s telling how she believes the original sin of America has has continued in one way or another. This is the country that started by saying it was for freedom and liberty for all, yet it did not live up to those ideas. I don’t agree that the country was founded by people who viewed slavery is wrong. Some dead, some didn’t. The one nice thing they could’ve done was make more laws protecting slaves. That you can’t force the women to have sex, you can’t sell their children, you can’t break up marriages, and you can’t whip them for small in fractions. It might not have necessarily been possible in that climate, but that tells you that wasn’t important. Even if it wasn’t necessarily normal to do from the federal government because of how the federal government was so limited and power, states could’ve done it. Or maybe they could’ve got around it and had the federal government basically say if you did do something really bad to a slave that they were able to see you, Collect money, and buy their own freedom. I’m not even saying it would necessarily work hardly ever, but maybe it would set up some morality and how slaves should be treated.
My viewpoint is that people who are enthralled with the 1619 project very possibly like to view this country as horrible in one form or another, and maybe people like you like to view it as virtually all the black community’s fault and that the country is the best in the world.
@@dellitaogunsola9544 - I’m so glad you didn’t mention anything incorrect about the 3/5ths compromise. So many people view that as disparaging Black people because they were only counted as 3/5ths. But obviously the problem is that 3/5 is too high, it should’ve been 1/5 or nothing. But every time I hear about 3/5th in the constitution people act as though it’s immoral that Black slaves were not a full person for the census. And people who know better don’t correct those who don’t know any better.