Roblox | Soul shatters | The Youtuber Trio | Fighting Tama5046 & iiAlplha_jet duhh(Sh3rlox)!!

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  • Опубликовано: 25 дек 2024

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  • @Unknown-rk9vl
    @Unknown-rk9vl  4 года назад +124

    I know I did bad in these 1v1 ;w; , dun kill me pls Owo

    • @Averyliaa507
      @Averyliaa507 4 года назад +3

      So cool man

    • @Durped
      @Durped 4 года назад +5

      no u actually killed both of them and its very impressive to me tbh

    • @Unknown-rk9vl
      @Unknown-rk9vl  4 года назад +3

      @@Durped thankss ee (tbh sh3rlox is laggin abit, so i won =.=)

    • @cheese857
      @cheese857 4 года назад +3

      Bruh, even if you lost, at least you get to brag like 'at least I fought Tama'

    • @valent5
      @valent5 4 года назад +1

      @@Unknown-rk9vl wanna 1v1?

  • @fragileartriz8784
    @fragileartriz8784 4 года назад +56

    6:59 the hitbox tho

  • @dragonlordz6793
    @dragonlordz6793 4 года назад +31

    Unknown:*kills Tama*
    Tama: What
    Therefore we did a rematch
    Me:What

    • @sujukufs3453
      @sujukufs3453 4 года назад +1

      Me reading this comment with a dying brain in 2 am : what

  • @Dylandillan
    @Dylandillan 4 года назад +103

    Wanna know what funny?
    All of them main GT chara

    • @LinoHS001
      @LinoHS001 4 года назад

      Ima main It too
      i main sans And XSans/Chara

    • @N-wordSans
      @N-wordSans 4 года назад

      I main sand and assriel

    • @Dylandillan
      @Dylandillan 4 года назад

      @@N-wordSans lol nice

    • @Dylandillan
      @Dylandillan 4 года назад

      @@LinoHS001 same my dude but im
      Xsans/chara,storyshift chara,Gtchara,sans
      ik that alot but my real main is Xsans/chara

    • @fadingshade5097
      @fadingshade5097 4 года назад

      Lol am i the only one who mains undyne

  • @hi-pc4xj
    @hi-pc4xj 4 года назад +58

    Me: joins game
    Also me:sees three people in the distance then walks to them
    Them: gets there stuff out then gives a death stare to me
    Me: why do I hear boss music?

    • @diffdimgamerseven9986
      @diffdimgamerseven9986 4 года назад +3

      i also hear the pillar men music

    • @maxjohnson1847
      @maxjohnson1847 4 года назад

      Or
      Me: *sees a asriel*
      Me again: why do I hear boss music?

    • @adamhassan9149
      @adamhassan9149 4 года назад +1

      The three horsemen of SS pros: Tama, Sh3rlox, iiAlplha_jet

    • @monke7566
      @monke7566 4 года назад +1

      @@adamhassan9149 ya forgot bout elber, when ss wasnt that big there were memes bout tama and elber fighting and destroying the server while it

    • @joaobr89623
      @joaobr89623 4 года назад

      Gets there stuff
      Grammar 100

  • @dvreaux
    @dvreaux 4 года назад +14

    Bruh ur such a great youtuber why didnt i find your chanel earlier

  • @SoSigma490
    @SoSigma490 4 года назад +37

    He has defeated the mighty Tama....
    Once he did

    • @frbestguy
      @frbestguy 4 года назад

      I've seen people defeat tama, please don't act like he's a God or smth not all people are prefect at this, he may be good hit there's others that are more gooder then em

    • @onethatleftalongtimeago3299
      @onethatleftalongtimeago3299 4 года назад

      @@frbestguy true

    • @beta8761
      @beta8761 4 года назад

      @@frbestguy wat is gooder

    • @Nazao101
      @Nazao101 4 года назад

      Adnim kaio
      of course, then you have Bunny.

    • @niggaify145
      @niggaify145 4 года назад

      Tama is also a perfect GT chara main

  • @n1ghtfa1l
    @n1ghtfa1l 4 года назад +18

    I noticed that tama pretty much never blocks. He’s really aggressive. So maybe perfect blocks are pretty much his weakness.

    • @MathewTheJudge
      @MathewTheJudge 4 года назад +7

      He will catch on immediately and will do long range attacks so he could combo you.

    • @peggylamour4308
      @peggylamour4308 4 года назад +3

      @@MathewTheJudge just like study tama combos so u can understand wat she those and u know whennto block

    • @bruhmoment3795
      @bruhmoment3795 4 года назад +2

      Skill tama is bad my friend is pretty good at chara

    • @MathewTheJudge
      @MathewTheJudge 4 года назад +1

      @@peggylamour4308 you can create new combos even while in battle soooo

    • @140natsu
      @140natsu 4 года назад

      I also never perfect block

  • @mspyt8607
    @mspyt8607 4 года назад +14

    Bruh I saw you lose in their channel before you post but still good job

    • @Unknown-rk9vl
      @Unknown-rk9vl  4 года назад +2

      Sh3rlox channel? owO (i watched dat too XP)

  • @hellome_ani
    @hellome_ani 4 года назад +28

    Ya are lucky to meet them lol

    • @Unknown-rk9vl
      @Unknown-rk9vl  4 года назад +4

      Ikr!!😂😂

    • @DillanDhio
      @DillanDhio 4 года назад

      I meet the three of them at the same timw

    • @AromonChannel
      @AromonChannel 4 года назад

      @@DillanDhio i always met them before i know they are a youtuber and a pro lol, and they always reject my 1v1

    • @dedgiyuu3207
      @dedgiyuu3207 4 года назад

      Actually, if you're in the discord on tama (something that i don't recommend) You might talk at him , hes not that active tbh. But you may see him talking

    • @DillanDhio
      @DillanDhio 4 года назад

      @@dedgiyuu3207 yes

  • @Cofagrigusfan
    @Cofagrigusfan 4 года назад +1

    Hey! It is me again. I recently got a laptop so I do not need to use my phone to play Roblox which also means I can finally play soul shatters. I hope to see you one day on the game! Also, great video as always. Take care and stay safe.

  • @Voukals808
    @Voukals808 4 года назад +3

    Wait, how do you use the ping command now? They've updated it and for some reason, you can no longer use !ping or !rejoin.

    • @Unknown-rk9vl
      @Unknown-rk9vl  4 года назад +1

      I think it's removed

    • @Voukals808
      @Voukals808 4 года назад

      @@Unknown-rk9vl Oh.

    • @Nazao101
      @Nazao101 4 года назад

      if you think you got crazy ping, then think about having lower than 60 ping, THEN IT SPIKES TO *3000*

  • @gaminglolipop1449
    @gaminglolipop1449 4 года назад +5

    Why do I have a feeling that they don’t know about this yet

  • @creeperhatecat7488
    @creeperhatecat7488 4 года назад +25

    Try to fight pyro

    • @PhopDab
      @PhopDab 4 года назад +2

      Pyro is So so so so noob

    • @b4ddie_0
      @b4ddie_0 4 года назад

      @@PhopDab poor pyro

    • @NotPyro0001
      @NotPyro0001 4 года назад +1

      @@PhopDab No u

    • @drift8916
      @drift8916 4 года назад

      @@NotPyro0001 Nani?!

    • @drift8916
      @drift8916 4 года назад

      What is this the avenger assamble?

  • @shrum4017
    @shrum4017 4 года назад +2

    How did u get so lucky meeting them in ur server I tried so hard to play with them
    I even follow them just to join
    But even if I follow I can't join ;-;
    I wish I was lucky as u

  • @gerson3440
    @gerson3440 4 года назад +15

    * The Bad time trío intensifies*

    • @rafaelkaruna7262
      @rafaelkaruna7262 4 года назад

      more like the megalomaniac trio remember they were charas

    • @gerson3440
      @gerson3440 4 года назад

      N I C E

    • @frbestguy
      @frbestguy 4 года назад

      @@rafaelkaruna7262 You mean the fallen children trio.

    • @horrorsans8236
      @horrorsans8236 4 года назад

      Determination Trío?

    • @Nazao101
      @Nazao101 4 года назад

      Dariela Yoselin Llanes Verdugo
      thumbnail thingy so yea...?

  • @weebmoreweeb1198
    @weebmoreweeb1198 4 года назад

    You quite dash often i think you should save some stamina btw lil pro tip when u use patience 1 and knock them away use 2 teleport after that and any Combo works ^-^

  • @elgurgle.2472
    @elgurgle.2472 4 года назад +2

    Chara when it grabs you: Attack for 2 or 3 minutes
    You: Low hp on last phase

  • @verxworld
    @verxworld 4 года назад +6

    I've bin waiting for this moment finally the greatest players join into one
    Unknown you is good gt chara
    Unknown = God chara

    • @Unknown-rk9vl
      @Unknown-rk9vl  4 года назад +3

      Nono that's tama😝

    • @verxworld
      @verxworld 4 года назад +1

      @@Unknown-rk9vl no even if tama is literally a world destroyer at chara
      I still think you good
      After all
      your guide for chara vid is what made me improve

    • @Unknown-rk9vl
      @Unknown-rk9vl  4 года назад +2

      @@verxworld Thanks😍

    • @Rainlex
      @Rainlex 4 года назад

      @@Unknown-rk9vl If not Best 2nd best

    • @zHE4VEN
      @zHE4VEN 4 года назад

      @@Unknown-rk9vl bro ur good just you couldnt use the combo in 2nd tama fight

  • @TrainerRed7661
    @TrainerRed7661 4 года назад +5

    Me: *noticed a youtuber in a fighting game*
    High ping lag:Prepare for trouble
    Bug and glitches:And make it double

  • @lzzaawa
    @lzzaawa 4 года назад +1

    After He abandon frisk bunny belike*:BUFF FRISK EPICLY*

  • @notthebiggestheadyt7349
    @notthebiggestheadyt7349 4 года назад +1

    Hey Unknown heres a good hate combo: Hate 1, Patience 1, Full LMB to push the victim into the exploding hate ball and extra combo when the hate ball explodes is Bravery, Full LMB, DT 4, DT 2, Justice 1 HOLD, patience 1, Full LMB and then perservearance 1 B)

  • @TheDreamerFrom04
    @TheDreamerFrom04 4 года назад

    The fact that you gave up Max Frisk for that-
    That’s like. That deserves respect.
    Also, epic vid.

  • @strangegamer-si
    @strangegamer-si 4 года назад

    Bruh look at 0:41 that so smooth, that like tama have a special jump :O

  • @justvibing2797
    @justvibing2797 4 года назад

    Good job, sadly I can't be good at GTC even tho I've been playing it since Snowdin map and I'm very good at perfect blocks and I know a lot of combos just because my ping is 160 - 220 and my fps is 29 - 60 (usually it was 60 before this update but now it drops down to 29)
    I could download fps unlocker, but I don't wanna risk .w.
    Hope I'll get a chance to 1v1 you (and any youtuber) even tho they have gud fps and ping
    Keep going and you'll inprove over the timr
    Also, you can cancel opponent's hate ball-
    But countering it with your own hate ball is good too

  • @vutrantueanh5812
    @vutrantueanh5812 4 года назад +2

    Tama: aight I lost
    Also Tama: time to turn on the sweaty sweat tryhard mode
    *wins with 1 phase*

  • @W1LDCARD857
    @W1LDCARD857 4 года назад +1

    Lol GT Chara is a energy taker when your in a fight and a professional and trying to end the fight fast

    • @Unknown-rk9vl
      @Unknown-rk9vl  4 года назад

      everyone after fighting me and rematch
      can u stop spamming?

    • @W1LDCARD857
      @W1LDCARD857 4 года назад

      Lol

  • @rianbezerra763
    @rianbezerra763 4 года назад +1

    Here a tip when u use GT chara hold the 2 button and u can run longer and away
    (Determination 2 button :0)

  • @ThisguynamedInk
    @ThisguynamedInk 4 года назад

    OMG YAS COLLABZ THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN WAITING FORRR!!!! EEEE

  • @flareknuckles
    @flareknuckles 4 года назад

    WOW you are so good you actually killed both of them well done!

  • @lobnaalgaseralgaser2268
    @lobnaalgaseralgaser2268 4 года назад +1

    When the fight started I think that unknown tried to act dramatic moving normally to Tama but Tama didn't care and started shooting at him

    • @eerryyk7772
      @eerryyk7772 4 года назад +1

      not really i walk normally to my enemys to not spend stamina by running or teleporting so if they decide to run up and attack they are the onces who spent a bit of their stamina and that puts them at a disinvantage

  • @wacharaphuthai5479
    @wacharaphuthai5479 4 года назад +2

    What the hell is combo. Tama?

  • @captain4731
    @captain4731 4 года назад

    Yo, when​ will​ you​ make​ another video?

  • @bardyr31
    @bardyr31 4 года назад +1

    Hey, can we continue this fight? Pls

  • @ballistic.missile
    @ballistic.missile 4 года назад +1

    No mercy part 3 plz )=

  • @kreestup
    @kreestup 4 года назад

    Unknown: Gets tama to second phase
    Tama: All that for a drop of blood

  • @deltaknight6709
    @deltaknight6709 4 года назад

    Nobody:
    Unknown6933: *intense fight*
    Also Unknown6933: *chatting and saying xd while fighting*

  • @michaeloliverossantos8780
    @michaeloliverossantos8780 4 года назад +1

    Epic RUclipsr fight moments

  • @abidahsan2742
    @abidahsan2742 4 года назад

    *Fighting other people fills you with DETERMINATION*

  • @privatecabo8400
    @privatecabo8400 4 года назад +3

    6:05 u really messed up this, u literally gave him the whole time in the world to heal, he was low u should rushed in this moment

    • @esk1279
      @esk1279 4 года назад

      Yeah you're right tama could have lose if he hasn't let him heal

  • @elijose7999
    @elijose7999 4 года назад

    Wasssup can you when your fav undertale au part 3 you forget betty control gasters blaster

  • @Алекс-с8л9ы
    @Алекс-с8л9ы 4 года назад

    :0 that was fight of gods lol and if you all combine = The youtubers trio

  • @evolvefitness-livingketoge1285
    @evolvefitness-livingketoge1285 4 года назад +2

    The second fight you ran when he was takeing out his souls so he got time to heal 😕

  • @Tsukiyuki_Miyako_S
    @Tsukiyuki_Miyako_S 4 года назад

    Congrats on 1k subs

  • @blooxylips
    @blooxylips 4 года назад

    Is it me or I am the agressive fighter so blocking causes me to loose if my opponent blocks perfectly

  • @art3491
    @art3491 4 года назад +1

    Ya need to train more my friend ;D

  • @ГонкиТа
    @ГонкиТа 4 года назад

    How you make that lock in?

  • @sahalanapitupulu3509
    @sahalanapitupulu3509 4 года назад +1

    Also frisk got a buff soo whenever frisk is at lv20 he has MORE SPEEEED and other stuff

  • @jubin78
    @jubin78 4 года назад +1

    They are my fav youtubers :D

  • @totrox2445
    @totrox2445 4 года назад

    I like how man saying STOP but tama continue his suffer =]

  • @quas3r__
    @quas3r__ 4 года назад

    how do you do the soul thing with GT chara?
    im new to them XD

  • @1cookie2cookieshort
    @1cookie2cookieshort 4 года назад +1

    If I can get a BETTER computer, I can probably beat you a few times, not to get cocky though. Your really good at pvp I can tell from our battle experience. I just have disadvantages such as being slow at throwing my slashes at you and HUGE lag spikes

    • @Unknown-rk9vl
      @Unknown-rk9vl  4 года назад

      *Sad*
      Hopes u get better pc and wifi someday:D

    • @1cookie2cookieshort
      @1cookie2cookieshort 4 года назад

      Unknown6933 don’t worry I’ll have a new pc in 10 years :,>

  • @dragonlordz6793
    @dragonlordz6793 4 года назад

    How much was your luck that day?
    It almost seemed like you got a lucky clover XD

  • @LowmilkExWife
    @LowmilkExWife 4 года назад +2

    i won againts him but he didnt put it in his vid :(

    • @RemiIyn
      @RemiIyn 4 года назад

      Dude when they lose they wont clip it lol
      They clip only epic moments

  • @erorr_san4149
    @erorr_san4149 4 года назад

    You fight very well :3. Can I TRY to fight you ;w;(i I think I'm going to lose as always.)

  • @serhatoz1533
    @serhatoz1533 4 года назад +2

    3 best SS player in 1 video,
    *How can i leave this video?*

  • @typhn802
    @typhn802 4 года назад +1

    Enemies use Souls power and the enemies have 3 of life :Me use patience 2

  • @bacon6255
    @bacon6255 4 года назад

    NOOOO WHY U STOP DOING THE POKEMON MEME I LOVED THAT

  • @xaimt1
    @xaimt1 4 года назад

    with what do you edit? .w.

  • @mercillesreaperlmao469
    @mercillesreaperlmao469 4 года назад

    Your Channel is perfect everthing i need

  • @uwuovo9681
    @uwuovo9681 4 года назад +1

    There for we did a "remach".

    • @Unknown-rk9vl
      @Unknown-rk9vl  4 года назад +1

      Go watch no mercy 12:13 XP
      ruclips.net/video/rAcFpUM9sPk/видео.html

  • @tinypelo4497
    @tinypelo4497 4 года назад

    This is better than the ksi vs logan Paul fight

  • @brolytard2815
    @brolytard2815 4 года назад

    Feel like they should make it where if you get them to second phase or you killed them you should get max hp for it

  • @dyingbreath5244
    @dyingbreath5244 4 года назад

    one time i found the creator of soulshatters game with his friends on the testing place for making videos i guess

  • @mohamedyazidialaoui8093
    @mohamedyazidialaoui8093 4 года назад +1

    Dude he's not doing the rules of the game he have 200+ fps Wich is unfair and you're stable 60 fps and there is even some people that don't even have 60 fps lol I have 9fps when I'm recording in the game he's just trying to act cool he have low cd and so fast animation attacks he's cheating.

  • @roybecoulcoul1227
    @roybecoulcoul1227 4 года назад +3

    ...that was a double luck

    • @esk1279
      @esk1279 4 года назад

      Well tama got lucky because unknown let him heal and he didn't rushed to him

  • @Fang727
    @Fang727 4 года назад +1

    kid: is getting bullied and is begging for help
    everyone: *omg tama*

    • @Nazao101
      @Nazao101 4 года назад

      uhhh he’s complaining about the “random” tama’s doing

  • @VulgoMateus
    @VulgoMateus 4 года назад

    NICEEE
    tama we know you are here show yourself

    • @Unknown-rk9vl
      @Unknown-rk9vl  4 года назад

      i dun think he knows me ;w;

    • @giovarlin_31
      @giovarlin_31 4 года назад +1

      @@Unknown-rk9vl eh he know you in a video i see he say ur channel so he know you :P
      edit:let me seach the video or i think i see other dont know
      edit 2: ow here the video is not tama is sh3rlox ruclips.net/video/qC9haVOmEWU/видео.html

    • @Unknown-rk9vl
      @Unknown-rk9vl  4 года назад

      Sh3rlox😝

  • @kinglath5770
    @kinglath5770 4 года назад +1

    Tama really hates xtale players so the 1st thing he will do is go for them.
    Honestly, I can't blame him.

  • @legendarytronic7774
    @legendarytronic7774 4 года назад

    I tried to use the rejoin command it never seemed to work.

  • @whatdoiputhere8273
    @whatdoiputhere8273 4 года назад +1

    THE TRUE BATTLE FIN BIGINS

  • @victor.g
    @victor.g 4 года назад

    Why do i hear boss music?

  • @legendarytronic7774
    @legendarytronic7774 4 года назад

    I want to see Just a panzer tank or PreCalculate fight Tama5046

  • @poppyshatter4810
    @poppyshatter4810 4 года назад

    I always play at singapore server but...
    *NOBODY CAME..*

  • @s0ulstice
    @s0ulstice 4 года назад +1

    Imagine this dude against the God at using Asriel
    Wososjapameodneowjkdd

    • @AromonChannel
      @AromonChannel 4 года назад

      lol maybe i can be that asriel lol, idk

  • @calex6007
    @calex6007 4 года назад

    Hey unknown. You can make fight things better without locking.

  • @CocaRichla
    @CocaRichla 4 года назад +1

    Dang boi u beat tama
    Epic lepic legend

  • @maxi1806
    @maxi1806 4 года назад +3

    I met Tama in game, I said: :O and then he said: shut (i think because he doesn't wanted a lot of followers) Then he left lol.
    I rlly wanted to 1v1 him :(

    • @tolanle5926
      @tolanle5926 4 года назад

      Meh too

    • @zrekel3321
      @zrekel3321 4 года назад

      he said shut as a joke lol idk how people dont see that but id imagine youre a kid if you got genuinely sad by that

    • @Nazao101
      @Nazao101 4 года назад

      Double Barrel Shotgun
      boi, it’s literally hopes and dreams to meet your idols

  • @BlackWolf-ro9lj
    @BlackWolf-ro9lj 4 года назад +1

    Did they know u are a youtuber ?

    • @Unknown-rk9vl
      @Unknown-rk9vl  4 года назад +1

      Sh3rlox know, tama hmmph Gus question

  • @horrorsans8236
    @horrorsans8236 4 года назад

    5:01 music name pls

    • @Unknown-rk9vl
      @Unknown-rk9vl  4 года назад +1

      ruclips.net/video/bOcTAJADSsA/видео.html

  • @neorchthenexus1393
    @neorchthenexus1393 4 года назад

    9:41 nice thinking there dude Awesome

  • @joaosonicthehedgehog6036
    @joaosonicthehedgehog6036 4 года назад

    what would they say? like you're going to have a bad time it could be like you're going to have a demotivation time

  • @_MrNoob
    @_MrNoob 4 года назад

    btw its dum to use the souls at the start use it later in the fight for the I - frames when ur low or something

  • @starpixel3998
    @starpixel3998 4 года назад

    BRU I MET ALPHA JET TOO I DIDNT KNOW HE WAS RUclipsR BUT I SAID are you youtuber and he said what you mean?

  • @brasilfodastico3833
    @brasilfodastico3833 4 года назад +1

    You are so good with gtchara

  • @vectrax743
    @vectrax743 4 года назад

    Nice battle and i have A question bc idk how to make this circle on mouse can someone tell me?

  • @darkyoutube8520
    @darkyoutube8520 4 года назад

    want 1 v 1? just want to upgrade fight skill
    DarkRUclips399

  • @privatecabo8400
    @privatecabo8400 4 года назад

    For those who didn't know, at this time when the video was make, Fps Unlocker wasn't patched yet, and Tama has always used Fps Unlocker which means it gives u advantages so yeah kinda cheating, don't feel bad if u lose agaisnt him.

  • @Ayano10390
    @Ayano10390 3 года назад

    when i play with gt chara and im without lag :
    when i play with gt chara but im with lag : *breaks computer and keyboard*

  • @zodan8554
    @zodan8554 4 года назад +1

    I love to rp in soul shatter

  • @blu5816
    @blu5816 4 года назад

    To be good at soulshatters, just download that cursed "fps unlocker", not lying.
    And the cooldowns is fps based which is annoying

  • @ramsesborsaksirumonggur861
    @ramsesborsaksirumonggur861 4 года назад

    Fan made trio in Roblox soul shatter:
    Chill trio
    Fast attack trio
    steal soul trio
    Miss trio
    Gamepass trio
    Noob trio
    Report trio
    RUclipsr trio
    bully trio
    Mad trio
    Mercy trio
    Never surrender trio
    What you guys think is the best trio and the worst trio
    And if someone asking what that mean mad trio? That mean the player is using skill so many until when they dead they getting mad aaand destroying the computer

  • @mew9516
    @mew9516 4 года назад +1

    Nah keep using the Pokémon meme.
    It's still funny

  • @rehamoossiinoo8619
    @rehamoossiinoo8619 4 года назад

    People who defeats tama are a LEGEND YOU WILL BE IN DA SOULSHATTER HISTORY MUSUEM FOR DEFEATING TAMA

  • @CharlieTheNPC
    @CharlieTheNPC 4 года назад

    Wow you actually 1v1 the youtubers I very much like
    Lucky ;w;

  • @_MrNoob
    @_MrNoob 4 года назад

    huh i thought they added the new map right as the update hit

  • @ff.otp7
    @ff.otp7 4 года назад

    Hate ball can be so op if you kindness and then maybe dtm counter move

    • @ff.otp7
      @ff.otp7 4 года назад

      I say counter move because they may try to attack which if they do they get knocked right into the hate ball

  • @el_potkid
    @el_potkid 4 года назад +4

    Omggggg

  • @galaxypawelpumpkin_hat8426
    @galaxypawelpumpkin_hat8426 4 года назад +1

    Does he know you have a channel?

  • @zaruxx2191
    @zaruxx2191 4 года назад

    Its awsome how you have good ping my ping would be over 100 or 80