Black Sabbath - Self-Titled Debut LP Review And Comparison What Version Is The Best
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Yep, this confirms what I have been screaming from the mountain tops for the last 2 weeks. What a time to be alive, just incredible.
I really respect your ears and the time you put into this Mike. But I gotta say my UK vertigo swirl (3rd press, so maybe slightly different than yours) sounded a lot better than the Rhino on my ears and system. I heard a lot more of that decay you were talking about on the cymbals with the vertigo, and the drums had a bit more impact, even if the bass on the rhino was better. But now I want to go back and do the comparison again 😅
Before I watched this I watched a review that made the new Rhino Version sound awful, saying it's too bright, lacks moody atmosphere and even saying "the rain at the beginning sounds fake". This has me doubting that review, but I also have no desire to buy it because I have an original green label in great condition and I prefer owning vintage copies anyway.
I have a pretty clean Artisan so I’m not too sad I waited to long on Rhino
Very interesting Mike. The artisan has higher compression levels than the KG cut. The artisan sounds hotter for sure. I am glad I have a green+rhino hifi 👍🏻. Kevin’s is so silky smooth in general.
I bought my US Green label from a guy at collage in 78 for a buck. Its in at least VG+ condition. I have not put it on since recieving the Rhino. I bought it from Rhino for 50 bucks. The most I have ever paid for a new lp. Its stunning.
Mike can you tell about fragile of yes please
I know Ron Mcmaster has been around a long time cutting records, but I’ve never heard anything he cut that sounds good to my ears. 🤷♂️
Blue Note CD’s are really good.
Great video. Thanks. So, with his top recommendation, how many copies of the Rhino does Mike have ready to sell at $249 (= his Rhino Cars copy for sale)....?! LOL! :-)
Great review, I just got my copy a week ago and I was extremely pleased with the sound of it, dead quiet too. One thing that confused me though is you kept saying it was $150 but it was only $40. Maybe you meant $150 is the secondary market value but they were only $40 new at Rhino.
Yeah sold out. Selling for $150 by flippers now.
YES. That's what he means. He's selling The Cars Rhino HiFi LP for $249.99 USD. This Black Sabbath sold out in less than six days. I was able to get The Cars from Warner Brothers Canada (without corner dings), but I have yet to have any Black Sabbath in my record collection and would have loved to have this. I don't know what Rhino was thinking about with such a limited pressing. I email them and get no reply.
I disagree. My 2nd press NM UK Vertigo sounds amazing! It ranks up there with my audiophile records. The soundstage is huuuge and the clarity and detail are amazing.
Amazing compared to what? The Vertigo sounds great in a vacuum, but once you start comparing them, things change.
@@TheInGroove I had 1st press green, mid 80s represses, 2014 Rhinos, WWA press that used Vertigo plates...my UK kills them all. I am waiting for the RHINO HIFI from Fedex. Their shipping blows. Your video has me excited to compare
@@vinylfinder33the 2014 Rhinos I don’t think are that great?. They’re digital in house cuts I think aren’t they?
@@TheInGrooveNot for me. The Rhino doesn't stand a chance against the UK 1st and the US 1st.
@@TheInGroove Strange comment Mike- you admittedly considered the Vertigo the 'best' compared to everything you had up to this Rhino HiFi release. No vacuum required lol.
Haven’t been able to own any of the ones Mike mentioned. Hopefully Rhino represses these soon (or not). Until then I’ll try to find either a UK/US press, I’ve even read on Discogs that the 1980 Japanese NEMS pressings are highly regarded.
Your reviews are honest and spot on Mike! Thank you for all you do for us all 🙏🏼
Highly anticipated review - Good stuff
Yeah cant agree on this one. I got my non numbered one in today and it’s way too bright and lacks any heft or thickness to the bottom end. Good separation and clarity but thats all really. I’ll be seeking out better OG pressings.
Wow they have been around a long time, why did they wait so long to release their first album? Sarcasm Rulz
I have US first press, how can you tell if the album was pressed at Artisan?
Great review!
I own an OG Canadian,.,, wonder how it stacks up ?
OG Canadian is the same plates as US Artisan, so very good 😁👍🏼
@@bryanmorgan758 good to know
Cool review Mike from the 'In' Groove
J’ai acheté le disque plein prix après avoir écouté cette vidéo. À ma grande surprise je trouve ce disque inécoutable. Parfois je me demande si les gens en générales entendent les hautes fréquences parce que ce disque est dérangeant. Il y’a une sibilance pratiquent continue sur ce matriçage. Franchement j’ai serré le disque en me disant que je ne l’écoutai pas et que je devrai m’en départir. La pluie au début clique. Les cymbales sont vraiment mauvaises. Désolé d’être négatif mais je trouve que c’est vraiment mauvais.
Great review Mike. The level of butt-hurt from the guys who paid $1k plus for an "NM" UK Vertigo will be epic. I really appreciate that you're not purposely protecting anyone's investment and telling it like it is. I have many versions of this record and thankfully my Artisan is in pretty decent shape and my Rhino is flawless. I almost didn't bite on the Rhino but a friend tipped me off. I think one could argue that this album is the DSOTM for heavy metal.
It’s just his opinion. Because Mike says it, doesn’t mean it’s so. All these years Vertigo’s have been the gold standard. I have Vertigo’s and US greenies. And I disagree. The US green does sound absolutely amazing. But the Vertigo is better. But it’s apples and oranges. We get way too bogged down in record collecting on which is the “best.” The true answer is “maybe all 3.” They’re all very good and acceptable copies.
@@bigsweetc6 I've strongly disagreed with Mike about various pressings but appreciate that with this one he's not afraid to share what will be considered a very unpopular opinion. The Vertigo he has is probably worth more than all of his other pressings together but he's not worried about it. I dig that.
@@YAMAHA808that’s not true. You can’t still find very affordable VG+ Vertigo’s for $50-$250. This is one of those records you don’t need mint because it’s so loud it’ll over come minute surface noise. I have US Greenies and Vertigo’s and I’d say get em all. You can never have too much Sabbath. But there’s no way I’d say a U.S. is definitely better. I would say that’s the US greenies were historically underrated and overlooked though. Clearly that won’t be the case now.
When discussing this first Sabbath album it should be remembered that it was recorded on a shoe-string budget purportedly in one massive 12 hour session with one day given over to mixing. The results are incredible for an album that was recorded and mixed in two days. Producer Rodger Bain should be given due credit for making the album sound as good as it does regardless of the edition. All this to say that it doesn't really make much sense to discuss the album in audiophile terms. I would have thought any comparison of pressings would actually focus more on the packaging, design and content (bonus tracks etc) than the sound, which was intended at the time of recording to be raw, heavy and immediate. It is entirely possible a high fidelity mastering might overly cleanse those essential ingredients.
Thanks for the video. I completely agree that the US 1st pressing sounds marvelous, but I completely disagree about putting the UK 1st pressing behind on place 5(?????)…I much rather prefer the sound of the UK. The US 1st pressing is my 2nd favorite one.
I have to say my UK Vertigo 1st press , and US Artisan green Warner's sounds better than the Rhino hifi to my ears . The Rhino is no slouch , as it still sounds good .
I think the Rhino is too thin up top and wimpy in the bass and drums department. I am surprised Mike did not address this.
@@LetThereBeSound1interesting, the bass and highs on rhino hifi is better than the green Warner. I don’t have a vertigo. Also it’s dead quiet. I was blown away by the quality of this release.
@@Thunderbird139 Glad you're happy.
the UK Vertigo 1st press imho is the best
I don’t have the uk original, but do have the original US, and compared it to the new Rhino. I prefer the US original, it just has more balls, better bass. Will gift the Rhino to my daughter, it is good but not the best. My 2 cents.
I was really really hoping for this video. I think this is some of the best content you do and look forward to every rock record shootout
On the right you can see Darth Vader's original speakers! He had a lot of them on his death star because he loved black metal hehe
Nice - I would like to make my own comparisons - but my copy - ordered on May 20th - still hasn't shipped!!! - and the RHINO BOTS (aka customer service) - don't provide any answers. Rhino -you made 5,000 copies of one of the best Rock albums of all time - and you weren't prepared to ship it??? C'mon!
They are very slow at their shipping. I just received notice my order has shipped. I did not order this one.
I ordered on 5/18 and haven't received it. ;(
Dude. I had the same problem back when I ordered. Funny story: they’re so bad at shipping, I got frustrated and eventually canceled. Guess what I got in the mail last week? At random? They refunded me, and it still shipped.
Hey Rocco, indeed it’s a very poor handling. I only have a copy after some pressure. Pretty bad that they are announcing titles next month and haven’t shipped the May ones…. Be patient. Felipe
I got the same email
Can you do a video like this for Paranoid and some of their other albums?
I know this may be an unpopular opinion but I like the 2012 Rhino remaster done by Andy Perece and cut by Sean Magee. It from the original analogue tapes and was reissued in 2016 and is about $25.00
I know affordable copies seem to be frowned up here. But not everyone has a system costing more then six figures
The 2016 reissue that he talked about first uses the same plates as that 2012
That’s the one he said was last. I had heard one of those Sean Magee cuts and I wasn’t impressed either.
Huh? I'm really confused here... What is your 3rd or 4th place then? I love your reviews, but that part made no sense. LOL
1) Rhino HiFi
2. US Greenie
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5)UK Vertigo???
😅 I'm totally shocked to hear your ranking and always thought the UK Vertigo was the gold standard. Don't get me wrong, the OG greenie is really, _really_ good and holds its own against the Rhino HiFi, IMHO. Sometimes I prefer the Rhino, then other times I like the Greenie more, depending on the song and what part of the song. I don't have a UK pressing just yet (though I do have a pbthal rip), but currently have a WWA pressing on the way and am looking forward to redoing my shootout. I paid a whopping $26 for my NM Greenie a few years ago and don't think I could ever part with it. It's gorgeous. Luckily I didn't overpay for the Rhino and snagged one a couple hours after going live. Anway, thanks for the review Mike, I always enjoy hearing your opinion! 😎🍻🤘
I bought my US 1st pressing the month it was released. I joined a record club, remember you could get 6 LP's for $1- if you bought one release per month for a year, anyway I bought this originally because of the cover. I had no idea who Black Sabbath was at the time, needless to say after I got this and listened to it, I bought Paranoid and Master of Reality when they were released too. I still have them 50 years on and they still sound pretty good, although Paranoid and MOR really lack top end.
Hoping for a Paranoid video
I'm sorry to report this record was sold out day 6 after the preorder was posted. I don't have any Black Sabbath in my record collection. I had been buying all of these Rhino High Fidelity rock albums and this was sold out in under a week on both American and Canadian site. So very disappointed. Somehow, it got advertised directly online to Black Sabbath fans. I see several on Discogs and Ebay at ridiculous flipper prices that I will not pay. I will never give in to these opportunists. Very disappointing experience this round. Rhino should have limited one per customer or set the pressing number higher. Thank you for your review. Maybe some day I will obtain an audiophile Black Sabbath pressing. I email Rhino and never hear back.
Hands down the best sounding is the 1st press UK Vertigo.
Agree
In your opinion
@@charlesgund4812 Yes, opinions are like assholes everyone has one.
Wow....good one Jamko...never heard that one before 🤦🤔😂
@@Jamko1970 ooooh very clever! 😮
Yes my UK Vertigo first pressing big swirl on label sounds better than the Rhino on my system and my 58 year old ears. The track listing on the Rhino is just not right as me in the UK is just so use to the Vertigo pressing.
Great video, Mike! I'd love to see that Master of Reality shootout, especially if you can compare the VMP reissue to a UK Vertigo copy. Any chance we will see a shootout between a UK first pressing of the Yes Album, a 1970s reissue, and the most recent Analogue Productions 45 RPM reissue?
I am lucky enough to have a True Near Mint 1970 Artisan cut. I have a record dealer buddy who found it for me. And it sounds Amazing! I Knew It! I KNEW the Rhino hifi version couldn’t be That much better, especially enough to pay Discogs flippers for it. I also had a feeling the OG Vertigo isn’t better either. Thanks for confirming my suspicions with this review! I’m so glad I stuck with my beautiful 1970 Artisan pressing. I don’t need any other pressing of it.
Vertigo is way overhyped, the drums suck, it’s not as eerie. The green label is the bomb.
I have the 1997 Castle Communications UK pressing with a bonus "Evil woman" 45 single. For me sounds great
I completely differ with Mike's views on the Rhino 2010 Ron McMaster all-analogue cut, that version has an insane high end to the point that it sounds way too bright, but it still retains the mid range, it kinda reminds me of Kevin Gray's cut of Paranoid, same approach almost. However, Kevin's 2024 cut is even brighter and more detailed, but to me it stops sounding like a Sabbath record at that point.
Hi Mike! Since you kindly asked me today what system is and I don't have a way to write to you, here is my system.
Technics 1200G with Cardas Audio cables and a Vertere Sabre cartridge.
Preamp is a GoldNote PH 10 with its power supply.
My amp is a NAIM AUDIO Supernait 2 with a NAIM AUDIO HiCap DR. My speakers are NAIM AUDIO S-Ovators 400.
Of course it's no match against yours, but pretty awesome and revealing too.
Cheers, Thor
Superb video sir! I bought the British import Vertigo the day it was put in the racks at Tower Records, Hollywood, CA. Going from memory it had a glorious sound. I traded it in for CD's! 😭
06:15 I humbly suggest that THIS is the birth of Heavy Metal: ruclips.net/video/_AZ1r2TeGOo/видео.html
Rhino just reissued this as unnumbered RHF versions. $39.98 from their online store. Thanks Mike. Grab them while you can
Kevin changed the sound of Marquee Moon, better bass and drums. I’m not sure why he couldn’t do the same to Black Sabbath, this record NEEDS warmth and strong bottom end for it to rock. The clarity on the RHF is great, but I’m not sure it goes well for this particular record. Good thing Steve Hoffman doesn’t listen to records anymore, he wouldn’t be impressed. Anyway, thanks for the video Mike.
the Rhino HiFi has a ton of midrange and bottom, especially on side two. But my take was slightly different than Mikes. I gave the OG Greenie a number one, but not a lot above the new Rhino. But it is all system-dependent. and you really need to blast the HiFi edition. When you do it is fantastic
@@mazzysmusic Hi, speaking of the US Warner Artisan pressing, which one should i take between Pitman and Terre Haute ? Thanks for advice, and cheers from switzerland, luca
Nobody ever compares the Australian Fontana pressing which is so good it will make your testicles tingle 🥴
You know... You keep bringing up testicles... You're beginning to worry me...
The 1985 German Castle/NEMS pressed at Sonopress should be considered for one of the best
Thank you. First for doing an iconic metal album second for giving the 1st US pressing some love. I have four copies and they all sound great.
I have a clean warner green label, the disc almost looks new and the case is in very decent shape. Got it for 22 Canadian about 8 years ago. Very happy.
Can you really review albums after listening to them over twenty times? I would think your hearing would not be nearly as good later on in the session. Hearing fatigue def can set in, especially in the highs you say you don't hear on many records.
the Rhino HIFI is the clear winner to me and the artisan second your right man it just has that punch and sound stage
Mike, do you prefer the UK or US tracklist? I've always found that Wicked World fit the album better. I've never came across a mint og US press.
I thought Ron McMaster used a digital preview head to cut from the tapes which makes it a digital cut.
I really love your videos for comparing records, but please stop shilling for the scalpers.
Great review, my opinions differ's and I can see if your coming from an audiophile view you would go for the pressings that have more top end as you will hear more clarity, bigger sound stage etc and because Kevin's top end is never harsh it might be a better listen for some, but I don’t think this album is meant to have that much topend its meant to be more centre focused and a rolled off sound that makes it sound more sabbath for me.
I have UK swirl, 2012 an old Aussie pressing and the RHF
Mann!! I’m new here can someone please explain that speaker stack/setup tome😳😳😳
Capitol has not had Analog production in-house for a very long time. The Ron was 99.9% likely cut from digital.
U.S. green w/ no seven arts, WB Palm tree, NEMS France black label all sound very nice in my room.
When Chuck Berry’s cousin call’s him up in “Back to the Future” and says you know that new sound you have been looking for, as Marty McFly does his best CB impression, well that’s how I felt when I heard the album.
I still remember that day in 1970 when I was in a record store and saw the cover of the album. Never heard of them and as a HS Sophomore I bought it. I was life changing. Sure we had Cream, Hendrix, Steppenwolf but this was the sound I was searching for.
I bought Paranoid immediately upon release later that year. Sabbath was my band. Then unfortunately when Master if Reality came out I was spending the summer of 71 in Europe. I remember going into a shop in Switzerland and listening to the album at one of their Kiosk’s. It was so cool in their box style sleeve but when I returned I went to buy it only the box style sleeve was replaced for the US.
Thankfully I’m been a record nerd since the sixties always treating my records like they were the Eucharist, so my original artisan pressing is as new with the still shrink wrapped cover.
Yes, my copy has the Artisan stamps! Pitman pressing. It's a solid VG. I'm sure it would be listed as VG+ on Discogs. The cover is a beauty. Estate sale find like 12 years ago.
Gotta play it again soon.
And those NEMS pressings were godawful. I remember getting my hands on NM copies of a few Sabbath albums on the NEMS label years ago. I assumed the sound would be incredible since they were UK pressings. I couldn't even stand keeping them on the turntable all the way through. To eBay they went in a lot.
That's what I have too, a Greenie Pitman artisan pressing. It sounds _killer!_ 🤘
Mine's a Pitman, probably common in the NE area where I live. Mine was a promo bought for 50 cents in a head shop. Jacket is split and taped together and it has plenty a crackle from being played on junk in it's youth, but who cares? When I crank it it still sounds glorious!
I like what Kevin did here, but wouldn’t this have been the ideal record to do on his all-tube system ala War’s Greatest Hits?
I believe that some of Palm Tree Label 2nd pressings are also Artisan stampers
So which European or Japanese copy would you recommend?
The WWA release should use the original UK Vertigo Stampers as well at a fraction of the price
Yes, some later U.S. pressing (palm tree and beige labels) use the original Artisan stampers.
I love Mikes channel and reviews but surprised he didn’t know Capitol have a digital preview head on their mastering chain…
Ron McMaster said the ones he did were full analog if I remember correctly
No no no. The steps going from the lacquer, to the metal master, to the mother, to the stamper are never considered additional "generations" away from the master tape.
Tell that to proponents of the One-Step process.
@@DonTFiftyEightI’ve always thought that Mofi’s one step process was BS but Bernie Grundman said he has had tests made using three step and one step processes and the one step was better
The steps from lacquer to metal to vinyl are absolutely generations. People pay a premium for better quality metalwork and pressing plants to help minimize generational loss.
Unless we are discussing "one steps", every record goes thru the same number of steps. Some plants do it better than other plants, but the count is the same for every record made.
I just kind of find it funny that a lot of people in the audiophile community are obsessed over this. It was recorded in 2 days and I don’t think was recorded to be an audiophile recording Probably hard to agree on the BEST recording!!
It’s apples and oranges. I liked Sabbath way before most of these newish in groove audiophiles bought RHF’s and I always thought Vertigo’s and US greenies kicked ass and it never occurred to me to even care which was better because I loved them all. All this is just OPINION anyways. I like how some of these people in the comments suddenly can definitively say they wouldn’t want a UK Vertigo just cuz Mike says so. Use your own ears folks.
Nice video and great conversation Mike. I have a 1st press UK Vertigo (very 1st with the "Philips" on the label) and a US White Label Promo - I've always thought the US pressing sounded better - heavier bass, better sound separation, crisper highs. Not better by a mile but enough to allow a clear preference for the US press to my ears.
Also to note, it's not just this debut S/T record but Master of Reality & Paranoid I also prefer to US/WLP to the original UK Vertigo. Would be keen to hear how you think those titles compare US v UK 1sts.
Again great video mate, cheers! - Nate
My take on this was very similar although I don’t have a UK Vertigo. I have a quiet VG+ Artisan greenie and have listed my HiFi for sale. 👍🏻
Nice job but my palm tree is off the chart excellent . I also feel it is an excellent recording. Listen to a palm tree..u may like. Thanks Mike
I have a first press US terre haute with artisan symbol in VG+ (I mean an honest VG+ which is basically flawless).
Never cared about to get any other press. I think this video agrees.
I'm listening to the UK and US first pressings right now and they both sound fantastic! With my small system I can't tell the difference. I'm not going to spend $150 on a new pressing, that's for sure.
Ordered mine on 5/18 and I'm still waiting for it. Best part is I told my boss about it and he ordered it on 5/20 or 5/21 and he already received his on Monday (6/10). How the hell does that work? I have several other RHF pressings and they're great but the PAY and PRAY ordering process is completely unacceptable in 2024.
20:51 ...Raises hand slowly.... I feel lucky for finding it. 2019, picked for $75 in a local shop's bin. It's everything you say it is.
Hard to find (for me anyway) great sounding Sabbath and The Who records especially in the bass that capture John and Geezer's amazing playing.
0:02 Sold out at Rhino. $150 from the flippers. I am fine with the ones I have.
Rhino only pressed 5,000.
Keep it. That being said. Nice review for some sold out, overpriced limited lp.
I have a NM copy of the first U.S. press on the green WB label; it does sound really good. Haven't heard the Vertigo first UK, so I can't comment on that one. Most people say that the Vertigo pressings of Sabbath's early albums are the go to pressings for best quality. I do have a NM first Vertigo UK press of Paranoid, and it's killer. It could be the best sounding record in my entire collection of records.
I’ve done A/B comparisons with vinyl and cds as well. It’s very interesting hearing the differences in mastering in both formats.
I don't have a Vertigo, but I agree with you 100% on the US WB green label vs. the Rhino. The WB Artisan is a 9/10, where the Rhino is a 10/10. I felt the Rhino had a little more 'body' to it, not necessarily low end, but mid-lowish punch. I also made 29/96 comparison files of the two, and the spectrograms showed slightly higher frequencies in the original WB pressing, but not by much. Thanks for the review Mike!
I watched a video before this that said the 1st press UK and USA ones blow this new one away. I think this video proves there is no best copy. Maybe it's the "sound" a person prefers that highly influences the pressings they like. But I'm sure some who prefer the 1st presses are second guessing themselves now and some may start hearing what you hear. It's all preferences and influences. Unless of course some have proven superior hearing.
I’ve had a 1976 NEMS French pressing for the last twenty years. I didn’t think it sounded bad at all. Got the Rhino last week. Pretty big difference.
If Rhino did Zep IV, the same thing that happened to Acoustic Sounds with the Marley "Exodus" QRP will happened to Rhino. The website will crash and everyone will be extremely pissed. So if they are planning to do it I hope they press more copies.
Just double checked mine, I've got the Artisan logo 1970 pressed at Terre Haute. It's the only one I've ever heard on LP and I've always found it wonderful sounding. Strong VG+. Glad I decided not to preorder the Rhino. Thanks, Mike.
Are those Watt puppies? Your walls are very cool. I dig it.
cymbals are made of bronze, btw 😘
Cymbals are made of 4 different copper-based alloys. Bell bronze, malleable bronze, brass, and nickel silver.
Oh love this what a great shootout Mike is the man. I’m blessed to have a NM wwa copy that in my opinion, is slightly better than the rhino, but with that said the rhino absolutely kicks ass and is no question the best copy of that version (ie the American one)
Not paying the flippers $150 although they are probably charging more now
Ive been super happy with my copy def is a downer its out of print
The one thing I don’t think gets mentioned enough or at all in these videos on Rhino Mofi record releases is if your system is mediocre or less that’s what your going to hear no matter what the pressing is so defeating the purpose for paying for these prices on the better record, now on the other side you have above average system or better with a great pressing bingo now you get a great listening experience just my opinion
I have a 2001 UK sanctuary that is absolutely amazing.
The uk vertigo was so good, its like they are playing in my living room
Hey Mike, what about the reissue vertigo from a few years back? Have you heard that one?
5000 copies made, 5000 copies sold , 5000 people hearing this same record differently. I guarantee not one record collector has the exact same system, so everyone's experience will be different. I have been a caretaker of over 3000 records that I've collected and loved for 40 years , i don't really care who cut the record, who cut the lacquer, or who swept the studio floor after recording finished, all I'm after is good music, not too many pops and clicks etc. I have this Lp which i bought new in 2023 its a BMG sanctuary copy on attractive purple and black vinyl which to my 54 year old ears sounds fine, warm excellent bass , great separation and only cost me £20 ,so if i damage it i can replace it on the cheap. I have lots of carts I'm currently using a Audio-technica VM740ML, coupled up to a Technics sl 1200g and this colourful BMG sounds good to me.😊
The album has a broad soundstage so the bass looses it's 'umph' but it is still there.
On my new Rhino copy the cymbals are like butter in my ears.
Then you must have a heavy build up of ear wax for those extreme highs to start melting the wax into butter!
Oz that’s not very nice. Haha
@@Jim-zf2lj Thanks! Fanboy c*** is out of control I tell you. Sheep everywhere.
Loved this shootout! Thanks so much!! New sub.
I definitely agree! Definitely better than Asia! 😂😂
Enjoyed the video Mike. I have a 1970 Pitman OG (green Warner label) with the Artisan stamp. That is what you mean by Artisan version, correct?
Thanks.
I was lucky enough to get the Rhino version. It just showed up today 😅. Ordered it when it first was advertised a few weeks ago. I honestly did not think it would show up. Can’t wait to listen
Correct.
Also the WWA pressings are pretty good
I am surprised you didn't address how lackluster the bass and wimpy the drum sound is on this Rhino HiFi? Also the upper end is simply weird sounding. Too damn thin and annoying.
Then again you are giving a blanket pass to ALL the Rhino HiFis as a series which is problematic for me. I would say the last three or four were not that great suffering from the same hifi-ish artifacts - so go figure.
No lack of bass or suns in my copy when you turn this up. Especially on side 2
@@mazzysmusic Cool man. I am glad you are not sensing a lack of bass. Not sure what speakers you are using but mine go down to 30Hz when using them passively, and 17Hz when using them active. So perhaps we have different ideas of what low end means? Drums sound too is wimpy too. No slam. Anyway, how about the high frequencies. Do they sound natural to you?
@@LetThereBeSound1 I get what you are saying, but I think the drums sound pretty good. Listen to the tom toms. The cymbals are pronounced but not in a bad way.
@@Jim-zf2lj I respectfully disagree. But that's OK and I am thrilled that you dig it as much as you do in your system.
@@LetThereBeSound1 It’s not a good recording to begin with. I guess you like boomy bass and a cloth over your tweeters.
Mike, tell us what cartridge you use for your shootouts. Maybe included your turntable and phono preamp. Thanks.
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