I would like to hear from someone that has done countless hours with Fanatec to compare this wheel. It's still a substantial amount of money to have a direct drive with load sensor.
Been at GTP for nearly 20 years or something. Nice to see you Jordan. Excellent, concise and informative video on a wheel I had no idea existed. Thanks for this. Top work. Cheers from the UKGTP crowd 👍🏽
Now that they released the adapter for the manual shifter for the Logitech dd wheel, I’m going to purchase this with the yaw vr motion sim for gt7 to get the full sim racing experience with psvr2 and I can’t wait!
This is great. I’m now enjoying my GT7 on the Dual Sense but always had the idea of buying a wheel but never wanted to spend money on belt driven wheels. Now that the DD market is getting bigger and better I will have many options. Waiting for Moza to support console and also Thrustmaster to release their DD wheel so I can have all the options to choose from. Thanks for the review.
You dont know what your talking about at all direct drive is in a hype phase right now you actually dont want to be buying stuff like this if your just playing gran turismo 7 then this is pretty much fucking overkill and a waste of your money... Get a nice entry level wheel thank me later direct drive doesnt make driving in games much better then it was and its certainly not meant for starters
Yep, if you're going to invest in a setup, might as well invest something that can be used on multiple platforms. This can be done already but it'll be expensive or with the use of adapters. Waiting for native support that is more affordable.
Idk what this other guy is saying, I’ve used the cheaper wheels on GT7 and it’s a joke. You definitely get what you pay for. You don’t need to buy a shitty wheel just to spend more money later for a DD, you’re allowed to just get the nice wheel from the start.
Hey dude. I understand that feeling to wait till the other brands release the hardware you want, but just remember that it's not really the equipment that makes you a fast racer, it's just important that you get on a wheel and off a controller sooner rather than later, because it takes a LONG time before you get good on a wheel, being on top end DD hardware really doesn't make a big difference to a beginner. I started on a G29, then went to T300, a huge upgrade in my experience, then I went to TGT2 with loadcell pedals. My friend has the GTDD pro with boost pack and loadcell, honestly the smoothness of the DD is lovely but I don't feel like the belt driven TGT is holding me back at all, its more about just putting in the endless laps, and I feel like the loadcell pedals are mostly the main aspect to going quick. I'm also looking forward to seeing where the Thrustmaster and moza go with their new console hardware. Hope to see you on the track.
This is a super nice product from Logitech but I'm happy with my Fanatec GT DD Pro 8nm and CSL / load cell brake pedals (CSL Elite v2 pedals in the mail!). I remember back when the G25 was the big new thing, and I used that for years and years. This G Pro wheel is on another level, but 8nm is plenty of force for me, 11nm would be wasted on me I think, I'd probably turn it down most of the time at least in GT7. I bet I'd like the softer brake of the G Pro pedals too, the CSL load cell is too firm and doesn't have enough travel for me. I liked my old CSR (CSR, not CSL) Elite load cell brake better. 🤷♂
BTW since that OG comment 3 weeks ago (I'm "BWX Gaming"), I got used to the CSL brake and started to like it a lot.. then I got the CSL Elite V2 pedals and the brake felt way too squishy and "muddy". So I switched to black spring and 85/ 75/ 65 elastomer stack and it feels really good, but still not as crisp and firm as the CSL with load cell. But it has more adjustment to go firmer and it's a lot nicer pedal set in general.
Damn Logitech priced me out of this one. My TGT2/T-LCM combo will do for a few more years until this comes way down. True force sounds like a similar effect to the T-DFB on the TGT2 so I'm very happy for now.
I have both the TGT2 and the DD Pro. The pro is on a whole other level..so much better FF (even on PS4). The TGT2 also has this weird feeling where there is less FF effects when holding the wheel steady in a corner. I still enjoy it for the th8a shifter and the rally wheel.
They’ve missed the mark with pricing. Do these manufacturers think we’re all RUclips influencers or something? I could buy an actual car with an MOT for a grand, they want MORE to be able to PLAY games? I hope it’s got a bloody airbag, and a happy ending.
Sorry but I don’t trust this review at all. The layout of the buttons is ridiculous. Nobody ‘needs’ quick release wheels, I know I’d rather not be spending £300 and have a “slow release” wheel instead. It’s a big NO from me.
Exactly my point too! The fanatec GT DD pro bundle with the loadcell pedals plus the Boost kit PSU that gives you maximum torque of the dd pro costs 200$ less than than this thing without the pedals in the kit, its ridiculous, and doesnt even look as quality as fanatec's do at all or not even close, with this money you can just buy a Simucube 2 Pro, i know its just the wheelbase, but its ridiculous that they reach these prices of these high end products, and i know already that will not be even close to the Simucube
Think that's my biggest issue with this. For the same price as the G Pro wheel and pedals, you could also get the new Moza R9 wheelbase, the formula style wheel rim and their best pedal set which definitely seems to be better than the G Pros.
It's not outrageous at all. In fact the Fanatec products that directly compete with this are slightly more expensive and still have less impressive specs.
The Base looks really elegant, the quick release makes me believe that Logitech has got some big plans on new wheel add-ons, would be cool to have a Logitech F1 wheel.
True, the best looking Logitech wheel base to this day, but for that price the pedals should have come included with it like the Logitech G29 and leave the stick shift as an add-on.
If you look at the Fanatec base for the PlayStation it looks like a square heatsink. The Pro looks better for sure. The pedals, while underwhelming do appear to work well. Fanatec pedals do seem better at this price level. Overall this appears to be a solid competitor.
If the difference between wheels is much higher with gt7 compared to other titles it means to me that there is room for ffb improvements also for budget wheels...they just didn't apply the full potential yet..or they are saying that the ffb in gt7 can be good only if you spend 1300 bucks
Honest question for Jordan…is there a reason why you allow Scaff to troll the holy hell out of ALMOST ANYTHING positive concerning Gran Turismo? I get that he’s a mod and not getting paid but he is a fanboy who SOUNDS like he’s impartial and intelligent. However, when you strip back the layers…GOOD LORD!
We'd love to equip our drivers who don't have wheels yet with one of those... but here in Brazil those things come to be so expensive, and we don't have a master sponsor who could help us with it yet... hope we can get there one day!
From a non biased perspective, which would feel best? CSL DD+ (15NM) or this GPro? In my DD+, I can even feel things such as, hitting the curbs on the left, feel like they come from the left, or the right side of the wheel if i hit the curbs on the right side. I can also feel my tires as im understeering or turning hard in general. I can feel the weight of my car shift too. Here, I am talking about these things happening on my DD+ in GT7 and Forza Motorsport.
That quick release seems like a Fanatec licensed copy, unless Fanatec their patent has expired (if patented at all that is). Nothing bad about it and to see Logitech finally stepping up again after so many years is awesome to see.
@@johnl2613 Is it? I haven't been binching reviews as I own a DD2, so low interest from my side. On the Fanatec side they have and are still putting the QR2 through some real life testing pases as it is used in the real car with that expensive BMW rim.
@@LogiForce86 Well the new quick release from Fanatec is still not ready... A lot of people complaining about the current quick release and some made a few mods to make it more stable...
The Quick release on the DD GT still snaps the wheel and the shaft. Really poor quality from Fanatec at the moment. Really considering this option from Logitech for this very reason. DD GT feels rushed and not up to their regular standards.
I'm not sure why you think the pedals don't compare with fanatec pedals. Sure they may not be v3 level but much cheaper.. They are much easier to work on than my TCLM s and I would have to remove them from my cockpit to change throttle or the clutch springs.
Just stumbled across this channel and really like the thorough content and very likable presentation. Good stuff. About True Force: do the vibrations when the engine turns on just continue to be there or do they mimic the revving of the engine?
They do in fact mimic the revving of the engine, and you can adjust it to your liking. So for a rac car where the engine is directly mounted to the chassis, you can dial it up for more realism
Oh yes this is what I e been waiting for as a Logitech fan I got a g29 and this move to DD means I’ll finally upgrade my sim rig looking forward to this fosho
Only problem with this is that they don’t have a shifter that’s good enough…good for PC use since you can mix different brand shifter and pedals, but not good for overall console use since you’ll have no choice but to use their pedals and shifter.
@GTPlanet - You sir have a voice for radio! This is the best review of the Logitech DD I have seen so far. I'm just curious if you tried to use that Thrustmaster shifter that you have next to you with the Logitech wheel?
One question: Do the knobs work regardless of wheel position? On the G29 the wheel only works if you are steering dead straight without moving the wheel... Comment: Pity Logitech didn't put the paddles on the base, like a modern rally car, so you can always find them regardless of the mad things one has to do whilst steering.
Price definitely a deal breaker for us "casual" users. I bought my whole setup (Next Level GT seat, Thrustmaster t248) and upgraded to used load cell brakes for less then $800. The extra money is not worth feeling more of a berm for me. Imo. Great review though 👍
Well this isn't catered towards casuals though lol it's catered towards the same consumer base that aim for high end fanatec equipment around the same price range as this.
@@AdrenaLukeYT No shit, It's Logitech, the same company that makes keyboards and mice. Fanatec, Moza, Simucube, ect are specialized. You can't even compare the quality between a mass produced item to them. And in Europe, the bundle costs close to 1500e. All i am saying is now is the perfect time for an affordable DD bundle from Logitech, but they decided to go "high end''. For that price, I'd rather get the GT DD Pro Premuim bundle from Fanatec. But alas, the one thing Logitech got going for them is that Fanatec has been out of stock for almost as long as a PS5. LOL
@@tamto6328 the GT DD Pro bundle from fanatec makes sense for it to be less expensive than this bundle from Logitech though. Because the GT DD Pro Fanatec bundle is overall garbage compared to this bundle specifically in what pedals and wheel you get. The wheelbase is decent though and I actually plan on saving up for the Fanatec DD Pro 8nm wheel base by itself, but the bundle is garbage.
Totally brilliant, succinct and factual review which has just enabled me to make the decision to go for the GT Pro over the CSL DD Pro for my PS5 and GT7/ACC. I've watched so many YT reviews for the two rigs in the last few weeks and remained conflicted - so thank you, now I can get on with ordering it! The only thing I'm concerned about is the manual shifter - I'd liek to use my modded TH8a but with the proprietary ecosystem I guess this is not possible - is there a good (or any?) alternative at all? Oh and BTW, if you think it's expensive in the US, try buying it in Australia - it's even more expensive as we get totally ripped off with all technology down under. But I want to buy something decent for the next few years so I guess I'm paying the premium. Going to pair this with an NLR GT Track so it's a big upgrade from my T300 RS and NLR GT Lite - but DD here I come!
Great review but all you said about the pedals was that you were disappointed in them… you never explained why. I’m curious to know your opinion on them so that I can determine whether or not they’re trash or you’re just nitpicking. Thanks
Thanks for the review. I just got my Logitech G Pro wheel and pedals and really like them so far. One question I have is for ACC, not GT7 (which I haven't played yet but plan to) : The Pro wheel in ACC shows up as a G923 and not a Pro. Is this an error on my side or is ACC just treating the G923 and Pro as the same thing? GHub thinks it is a Pro when I hook it up to my laptop to use GHub for firmware update. I also make sure that the wheel is set to PS5 at startup and Compatibility is set to Pro. Thanks and maybe do a video on ACC and Pro like this GT7 one. Thanks again....john
If I upgrade from my G29 to this G Pro wheel, can I use my G29 pedals with the pro? Just weighing up my options in case money is an issue. I was set on upgrading to the new Moza R9 wheel and pedals which all come to under $1k
Who would have guessed that paying upwards of 1500$ would get you a good driving experience... Very competitive pricing indeed. Is everyone else mad or what?
Currently use a T300RS, Heusinkveld Sprints, Aiologs shifter and handbrake, along with a drivehub on PS5 for GT7 and PSVR2. Can anyone confirm if I swapped out my T300 RS for this G Pro wheel (Playstation version) that the pedals, shifter, handbrake will all still be compatible??? I can't see why not as I'd have thought the wheelbase would just act as a pass through in/out of the drivehub , same as my T300 RS. Don't want the hassle of buying it to find out it won't!! Just want to make sure it will work natively with the Trueforce etc.
Just ordered mine. I'm on a high end PC and also own a PS4 Pro. Was wanting a Fanitec but they are always out of stock. Guess they missed out on my $$$.
Cheers! That's a tough call. It's a better FFB experience in GT7, no question, but it might not make sense to replace a GT DD Pro depending on how invested you are in the Fanatec ecosystem and how much you play other games in which TrueForce doesn't offer such a substantial improvement.
Really nice review, i am really looking forward to this since it is very difficult to find available Fanatec models to buy... One question though: Does this wheel pair with a Playseat Evolution or it is very heavy?
I'm not sure the Playseat Evolution will be stable and sturdy enough for this wheelbase with all that torque. But I might be wrong. My Playseat Evolution flexes quite a bit when I use my Thrustmaster TS-XW and the max torque of that wheel is just 6 NM.
I ordered the Playseat Challenge for this, which I know is different, but it should work well from a point of contact in Logitech who’s tried. My wheel comes in tomorrow, send me a reply here if you’re interested in how it works out
Man the new meta is complaining that the Logitech setup is too expensive. Like idk if you guys have seen the price of a Fanatec DD + pedals, but what Logitech has here is a competitive piece of kit at a competitive price. Plus it’s actually in stock unlike Fanatec which has been out of stock for months. I’m also saying this from a GT7/console perspective, Im sure when it comes to PC the price concerns get more valid since there are way more options.
@@gtplanet good to hear. If your abt to compare the true force to the dd pro. I use dd pro on gt7 and on asseto on pc. The diff in ffb is huge. Is this the same case?
There is still a difference between GT7 and Assetto, but the difference is much smaller with this wheel. Assetto has more detail in the track surface, GT7 seems to have more detail in the curbs with TrueForce.
This is mounted on an Obutto Revolution with the stock seat. No play in the wheel/pedal mount, but oddly some of the screw points on this G PRO didn't line up with the Logitech bolt pattern on this rig, so it's just screwed in with a single screw here. Still works though. Would definitely recommend the Obutto.
Great review. I’ve been torn over Fanatec and Logitech g pro , for past year or so. I own g29 right now and kinda want Fanatec next but I’m in U.K. and Fanatec in Germany. So for less stress , I was just going to go with Logitech. I’m positive I’ll love the wheel, as I’m only used to g29 and I’m actually sure I’ll be happy with Logitech pedals, as I’m only used to those that came with g29 BUT just you and some others saying the pedals are not great, especially when compared to other brands, it really turns me off. I just don’t like the feeling that I’ll be wasting £350 on Logitech pedals. Saying that, I have the £1250 saved for Logitech setup and I might just buy the bullet and go for it. I’m so in love with sim racing that I want to buy other setups and I guess I could go with Fanatec in a year or 2 and be happy with Logitech offering. I just hope Logitech release more wheels. I mean, being quick release, suggests that of course they will release more wheels. Why release a quick release wheel, if you only giving 1 wheel? Then I’m like, but this has been out for about 1 year and still no wheels or shifter/handbrake. Like maybe Logitech just said , ah fuck it, 1 wheel will do.
I've had my G Pro wheel and pedals since launch and it has performed flawlessly and I'm so happy with my purchase. I had the budget for any wheel and I'm glad I went with the Logitech
@@mrctuned2844 I’m just so torn. Was you not tempted by Fanatec? I almost saved enough £1250 for Logitech, I just don’t know if I should go for it. Do you know if Logitech have even stated that they will release any new wheels to go with wheel base? I can’t help think they may release 1 F1 wheel and leave it at that. If only I was able to try the Logitech. I’d only need 1 race in dirt rally or Wrc 10 to make up my mind.
@grahamkelly8662 oh I was very very torn between the 2. What it came down to was do I want more force feedback strength or do I want TruForce... I went back and forth and I watched a few sim racers say they rarely went above 10nm with any wheel... so that sold me on the Logitech. I pre-ordered it and I was very pleased when I took it out of the box. I have to say, of all the little details that make it a truly great and well thought out wheel, the one I ended up loving the most was the 5 storable presets, accessible from the wheel itself. I love GT7 and this became a huge benefit for that style game. I have 5 presets (you can use a PC to name them and they never get erased from the base) for different styles of cars, and it makes it too easy to have fun in a game like GT7 where you go from a stock road car to a GT3 to a LMP1 car in a matter of minutes. For example, I have my presets as: Road car Performance/GT4 GT3 GT2 Prototype And each of these have the dozens of settings saved under them so you can switch profiles in about 5 seconds. It's just awesome. The other thing I like is that at least in GT7, turned all the way up to 11nm you never get any clipping. It sort of maximizes the strength available so there is no wasting the available power. And maxed out it really does have power, holding long sweepers in a downforce car really makes you tired at the max setting. The only complaint I've had for the whole thing are the steel "feet" under the base which made it so it didn't line up with the holes on my rig. I actually just bent them a few times and broke them off, because my wheel will never not be bolted down. At the time I bought a new rig with the wheel so naturally the rig wasn't really made for the G Pro yet. That's my only complaint. If I had to do it all over again, I'd still buy the Logitech. I had no budget when I bought this one so I picked the one I wanted. The TruForce is worth it, in my opinion. I absolutely love my wheel, and probably won't need to ever replace it.
@@mrctuned2844 have you tried gt7 in vr? I did and I wasn’t impressed. For some reason my wheel g29 won’t even work properly with gt7. It’s fine with dirt and Wrc thankfully. Not sure what the problem is. say I wanted to use 60% forcefeedback on the Logitech direct drive to start out, can I do that via wheelbase and not have to do so in game? I’m a little worried that I may break my hands or and arms with too high forcefeedback lol. Oh what rig do you have? I’m asking because you saying you had to snap off the feet on wheelbase. I currently have a gt omega Titan and probably going to upgrade to the Gt Omega Prime cockpit, for better customisability , in a year or so. Oh, are you buying the new Wrc 23? I might have to pick it up. Although I’m a bit hooked to Wrc 10 right now. I just hope ea don’t fuck this new rally game up.
I think the pedals will stop me from buying this product, I currently have the Thrustmaster Load cells and they are great. Can you compare the Thrustmaster Load cell Breaks to these?
I am hoping to get some help with my new g pro wheel...I am using on PS4 and when I try to use with f 1 2021, get to options selection to move on and I can't get passed that. I have hit every button and contacted support and they have no clue. Please help as the wheel does work with 2019f1 and it is truely amazing and I do not want to return
@@chuanjenchang3153makes no sense as why full force isnt available yet for anygame. They definitely tried to compete with the G Pro and rushed it. I wonder how it will compare to trueforce
@@axxion231 Fanatec just don't have the energy to handle the support for GT7 or Fullforce at the moment considering thier financial situation I suppose...... Logitech rules
As a SIM racer these are my initial thoughts. Way too expensive, looks like 💩 compared to competition, lack of customisation, virtually no eco system and it's sounding like each base is locked to each console. This really raises the question who is this for? Fanatec on console and have a cheaper and better product. 2mn less but you have a full eco system and loads of modifications available. They're gonna struggle to sell this. If idiots like me are not interested, who's paying the big £££. I spent as much on my pc pedals. It's set at an enthusiast price level. But we're not interested. So who's buying it lol.
I own a G29 and it’s really nothing special…. After few min of intense racing the engines overheat and the force feedback drops at around 1Nm. It’s crap! I owned 1 g25 and 2 G29 and all had the same issue.
I own the same and it’s a crappy wheel compared to DDs. Granted for me it’s cheaper in USD, but you still get what you pay for, way more feedback thru DD = faster lap times when you can feel the limits better
Hy i just purchased the wheel, but i got the ThrustMaster LCM pedals .. i'm going to play mostly on computer, but i do own a Ps5 and i suppose i'm going to nee my simhub for playing Gt7, because of the pedals... Do you think it will reveal the "force even through the Simhub? Thanks for the eventual attention
I presume you mean drivehub, not simhub. Did you manage get the TM LCM pedals to work on PS5? I was told that Trueforce won't work when connected through the drivehub??
@@tomwatkins9490 hy... Honestly, i did not yet tried on my Ps5, i'm still busy on computer since i bought the wheel, but i'm not surprised that "true force" can have issues through Simhub ... Shame, i will wait to gain also the pedals from Logitech... Also there is no H shifter yet available, so i could not enjoy anyway...
I would like to hear from someone that has done countless hours with Fanatec to compare this wheel. It's still a substantial amount of money to have a direct drive with load sensor.
To many people that cant actually drive are buying these things anyway
@@danielstokker just mad u ain’t got one
@@danielstokker it's all about the fun ! Doesn't really matter how good you are , only for e sports player matter
Been at GTP for nearly 20 years or something. Nice to see you Jordan. Excellent, concise and informative video on a wheel I had no idea existed. Thanks for this. Top work. Cheers from the UKGTP crowd 👍🏽
Hey, thanks!
Now that they released the adapter for the manual shifter for the Logitech dd wheel, I’m going to purchase this with the yaw vr motion sim for gt7 to get the full sim racing experience with psvr2 and I can’t wait!
I would love to see your in-game and wheel settings with the G Pro for GT7
I run mine at 7 in game and 10 on the wheel
This is great.
I’m now enjoying my GT7 on the Dual Sense but always had the idea of buying a wheel but never wanted to spend money on belt driven wheels.
Now that the DD market is getting bigger and better I will have many options.
Waiting for Moza to support console and also Thrustmaster to release their DD wheel so I can have all the options to choose from.
Thanks for the review.
You dont know what your talking about at all direct drive is in a hype phase right now you actually dont want to be buying stuff like this if your just playing gran turismo 7 then this is pretty much fucking overkill and a waste of your money...
Get a nice entry level wheel thank me later direct drive doesnt make driving in games much better then it was and its certainly not meant for starters
@@danielstokker Not just GT7 but some other sim titles like ACC & iRacing. As well as F1.
Yep, if you're going to invest in a setup, might as well invest something that can be used on multiple platforms. This can be done already but it'll be expensive or with the use of adapters. Waiting for native support that is more affordable.
Idk what this other guy is saying, I’ve used the cheaper wheels on GT7 and it’s a joke. You definitely get what you pay for. You don’t need to buy a shitty wheel just to spend more money later for a DD, you’re allowed to just get the nice wheel from the start.
Hey dude. I understand that feeling to wait till the other brands release the hardware you want, but just remember that it's not really the equipment that makes you a fast racer, it's just important that you get on a wheel and off a controller sooner rather than later, because it takes a LONG time before you get good on a wheel, being on top end DD hardware really doesn't make a big difference to a beginner. I started on a G29, then went to T300, a huge upgrade in my experience, then I went to TGT2 with loadcell pedals. My friend has the GTDD pro with boost pack and loadcell, honestly the smoothness of the DD is lovely but I don't feel like the belt driven TGT is holding me back at all, its more about just putting in the endless laps, and I feel like the loadcell pedals are mostly the main aspect to going quick. I'm also looking forward to seeing where the Thrustmaster and moza go with their new console hardware. Hope to see you on the track.
This is a super nice product from Logitech but I'm happy with my Fanatec GT DD Pro 8nm and CSL / load cell brake pedals (CSL Elite v2 pedals in the mail!). I remember back when the G25 was the big new thing, and I used that for years and years. This G Pro wheel is on another level, but 8nm is plenty of force for me, 11nm would be wasted on me I think, I'd probably turn it down most of the time at least in GT7. I bet I'd like the softer brake of the G Pro pedals too, the CSL load cell is too firm and doesn't have enough travel for me. I liked my old CSR (CSR, not CSL) Elite load cell brake better. 🤷♂
That's a good point. Stiff load cells aren't for everyone.
8nm is way too weak
@@EazyDuz18 GT DD Pro is 8nm is definitely not "too weak". Maybe with a giant heavy wheel on there it might be, but not with the stock wheel.
BTW since that OG comment 3 weeks ago (I'm "BWX Gaming"), I got used to the CSL brake and started to like it a lot.. then I got the CSL Elite V2 pedals and the brake felt way too squishy and "muddy". So I switched to black spring and 85/ 75/ 65 elastomer stack and it feels really good, but still not as crisp and firm as the CSL with load cell. But it has more adjustment to go firmer and it's a lot nicer pedal set in general.
Damn Logitech priced me out of this one. My TGT2/T-LCM combo will do for a few more years until this comes way down. True force sounds like a similar effect to the T-DFB on the TGT2 so I'm very happy for now.
I have both the TGT2 and the DD Pro. The pro is on a whole other level..so much better FF (even on PS4). The TGT2 also has this weird feeling where there is less FF effects when holding the wheel steady in a corner. I still enjoy it for the th8a shifter and the rally wheel.
They’ve missed the mark with pricing.
Do these manufacturers think we’re all RUclips influencers or something?
I could buy an actual car with an MOT for a grand, they want MORE to be able to PLAY games?
I hope it’s got a bloody airbag, and a happy ending.
Sorry but I don’t trust this review at all.
The layout of the buttons is ridiculous.
Nobody ‘needs’ quick release wheels, I know I’d rather not be spending £300 and have a “slow release” wheel instead.
It’s a big NO from me.
Exactly my point too! The fanatec GT DD pro bundle with the loadcell pedals plus the Boost kit PSU that gives you maximum torque of the dd pro costs 200$ less than than this thing without the pedals in the kit, its ridiculous, and doesnt even look as quality as fanatec's do at all or not even close, with this money you can just buy a Simucube 2 Pro, i know its just the wheelbase, but its ridiculous that they reach these prices of these high end products, and i know already that will not be even close to the Simucube
Think that's my biggest issue with this. For the same price as the G Pro wheel and pedals, you could also get the new Moza R9 wheelbase, the formula style wheel rim and their best pedal set which definitely seems to be better than the G Pros.
Dude, this is made for pro sim racers who will and want to spend money on devices like this, this wasn't made for the average costumer.
@@rocket009able But there's no console compatibility, and no, adapters don't work the same as native console support.
At $1348 for the wheel and pedals, they probably won’t sell many. That price is outrageous.
True, i dont know if the wheel is compatible with other 3rd party wheels, would rather hook that up to the wheel
@@ekeemekalu7124 Yeah, at that pricing you can do better with a CLS DD or MOZA R9. MOst won't use the 11NM
@@T1NYT moza dont support consoles and fanatec is sold out everywhere.
1500 EUR even worse 😅
It's not outrageous at all. In fact the Fanatec products that directly compete with this are slightly more expensive and still have less impressive specs.
I had no idea Logitech were even making this. Wild
The Base looks really elegant, the quick release makes me believe that Logitech has got some big plans on new wheel add-ons, would be cool to have a Logitech F1 wheel.
My guess is we will see F1 Mclaren wheel since they are sponsor ;)
True, the best looking Logitech wheel base to this day, but for that price the pedals should have come included with it like the Logitech G29 and leave the stick shift as an add-on.
If you look at the Fanatec base for the PlayStation it looks like a square heatsink. The Pro looks better for sure. The pedals, while underwhelming do appear to work well. Fanatec pedals do seem better at this price level. Overall this appears to be a solid competitor.
If the difference between wheels is much higher with gt7 compared to other titles it means to me that there is room for ffb improvements also for budget wheels...they just didn't apply the full potential yet..or they are saying that the ffb in gt7 can be good only if you spend 1300 bucks
Money is what it's all about ... Of course this is engineered in their favour.
I also like what you said at the end… competition breeds excellence 👌🏽 Amazing times to be a sim racer 😎
Honest question for Jordan…is there a reason why you allow Scaff to troll the holy hell out of ALMOST ANYTHING positive concerning Gran Turismo? I get that he’s a mod and not getting paid but he is a fanboy who SOUNDS like he’s impartial and intelligent. However, when you strip back the layers…GOOD LORD!
We'd love to equip our drivers who don't have wheels yet with one of those... but here in Brazil those things come to be so expensive, and we don't have a master sponsor who could help us with it yet... hope we can get there one day!
From a non biased perspective, which would feel best? CSL DD+ (15NM) or this GPro?
In my DD+, I can even feel things such as, hitting the curbs on the left, feel like they come from the left, or the right side of the wheel if i hit the curbs on the right side.
I can also feel my tires as im understeering or turning hard in general.
I can feel the weight of my car shift too.
Here, I am talking about these things happening on my DD+ in GT7 and Forza Motorsport.
That quick release seems like a Fanatec licensed copy, unless Fanatec their patent has expired (if patented at all that is).
Nothing bad about it and to see Logitech finally stepping up again after so many years is awesome to see.
Looks like the Logitech quick release is more secure than the one on fanatec.
@@johnl2613 Is it? I haven't been binching reviews as I own a DD2, so low interest from my side. On the Fanatec side they have and are still putting the QR2 through some real life testing pases as it is used in the real car with that expensive BMW rim.
@@LogiForce86 Well the new quick release from Fanatec is still not ready... A lot of people complaining about the current quick release and some made a few mods to make it more stable...
The Quick release on the DD GT still snaps the wheel and the shaft. Really poor quality from Fanatec at the moment. Really considering this option from Logitech for this very reason. DD GT feels rushed and not up to their regular standards.
I was impressed by the quality of this steering wheel. It's still too expensive for me, but I'm interested in buying it. Greetings
I'm not sure why you think the pedals don't compare with fanatec pedals. Sure they may not be v3 level but much cheaper..
They are much easier to work on than my TCLM s and I would have to remove them from my cockpit to change throttle or the clutch springs.
I never had fun this much from a review before. Thanks man It was high end quality content. 👍
The pedals are reduced to 262 $/£
I love my T-GT with T-CLM s but had to get one because I have the money and the draw was too much to resist
Just stumbled across this channel and really like the thorough content and very likable presentation. Good stuff. About True Force: do the vibrations when the engine turns on just continue to be there or do they mimic the revving of the engine?
They do in fact mimic the revving of the engine, and you can adjust it to your liking. So for a rac car where the engine is directly mounted to the chassis, you can dial it up for more realism
Oh yes this is what I e been waiting for as a Logitech fan I got a g29 and this move to DD means I’ll finally upgrade my sim rig looking forward to this fosho
Only problem with this is that they don’t have a shifter that’s good enough…good for PC use since you can mix different brand shifter and pedals, but not good for overall console use since you’ll have no choice but to use their pedals and shifter.
I'm sure one is coming. I just hope they have a sale on these soon, cuz I ain't paying $1,300 for this.
@GTPlanet - You sir have a voice for radio! This is the best review of the Logitech DD I have seen so far. I'm just curious if you tried to use that Thrustmaster shifter that you have next to you with the Logitech wheel?
Thanks so much! I did not try plugging the shifter into the wheel. I don't think it would work without a DriveHub adapter.
One question: Do the knobs work regardless of wheel position? On the G29 the wheel only works if you are steering dead straight without moving the wheel...
Comment: Pity Logitech didn't put the paddles on the base, like a modern rally car, so you can always find them regardless of the mad things one has to do whilst steering.
Price definitely a deal breaker for us "casual" users. I bought my whole setup (Next Level GT seat, Thrustmaster t248) and upgraded to used load cell brakes for less then $800. The extra money is not worth feeling more of a berm for me. Imo. Great review though 👍
Well this isn't catered towards casuals though lol it's catered towards the same consumer base that aim for high end fanatec equipment around the same price range as this.
@@AdrenaLukeYT No shit, It's Logitech, the same company that makes keyboards and mice. Fanatec, Moza, Simucube, ect are specialized. You can't even compare the quality between a mass produced item to them. And in Europe, the bundle costs close to 1500e. All i am saying is now is the perfect time for an affordable DD bundle from Logitech, but they decided to go "high end''. For that price, I'd rather get the GT DD Pro Premuim bundle from Fanatec. But alas, the one thing Logitech got going for them is that Fanatec has been out of stock for almost as long as a PS5. LOL
@@tamto6328 the GT DD Pro bundle from fanatec makes sense for it to be less expensive than this bundle from Logitech though. Because the GT DD Pro Fanatec bundle is overall garbage compared to this bundle specifically in what pedals and wheel you get. The wheelbase is decent though and I actually plan on saving up for the Fanatec DD Pro 8nm wheel base by itself, but the bundle is garbage.
I hope they make a upgrade for the old shifter
Love your nurburgring coffee mug, nice review. I'm getting this wheel, also heard GT7 will have psvr 2 support, I'm pumped.
Totally brilliant, succinct and factual review which has just enabled me to make the decision to go for the GT Pro over the CSL DD Pro for my PS5 and GT7/ACC. I've watched so many YT reviews for the two rigs in the last few weeks and remained conflicted - so thank you, now I can get on with ordering it! The only thing I'm concerned about is the manual shifter - I'd liek to use my modded TH8a but with the proprietary ecosystem I guess this is not possible - is there a good (or any?) alternative at all?
Oh and BTW, if you think it's expensive in the US, try buying it in Australia - it's even more expensive as we get totally ripped off with all technology down under. But I want to buy something decent for the next few years so I guess I'm paying the premium. Going to pair this with an NLR GT Track so it's a big upgrade from my T300 RS and NLR GT Lite - but DD here I come!
Logitech should make an active pedal like simucube.
Great review but all you said about the pedals was that you were disappointed in them… you never explained why. I’m curious to know your opinion on them so that I can determine whether or not they’re trash or you’re just nitpicking. Thanks
Hello
you can show how it works and the behavior of the steering wheel pedals as accelerator and brake.
Tks
Thanks for the review. I just got my Logitech G Pro wheel and pedals and really like them so far. One question I have is for ACC, not GT7 (which I haven't played yet but plan to) : The Pro wheel in ACC shows up as a G923 and not a Pro. Is this an error on my side or is ACC just treating the G923 and Pro as the same thing? GHub thinks it is a Pro when I hook it up to my laptop to use GHub for firmware update. I also make sure that the wheel is set to PS5 at startup and Compatibility is set to Pro. Thanks and maybe do a video on ACC and Pro like this GT7 one. Thanks again....john
Great review. Thanks!
If I upgrade from my G29 to this G Pro wheel, can I use my G29 pedals with the pro? Just weighing up my options in case money is an issue. I was set on upgrading to the new Moza R9 wheel and pedals which all come to under $1k
No, the G29 pedals are not compatible.
Could you share the settings you use?
Great review. Logitech is giving a bundling discount atm, pulling the trigger!
How much discount?
@@abuelb $87.50 discount when you buy the pedals with the wheel. Total of $1262.46 USD before tax.
Who would have guessed that paying upwards of 1500$ would get you a good driving experience... Very competitive pricing indeed. Is everyone else mad or what?
Going from an Xbox One controller to a G29 was already a big enough leap for me that I see no reason to get a belt driven or DD wheel.
Currently use a T300RS, Heusinkveld Sprints, Aiologs shifter and handbrake, along with a drivehub on PS5 for GT7 and PSVR2.
Can anyone confirm if I swapped out my T300 RS for this G Pro wheel (Playstation version) that the pedals, shifter, handbrake will all still be compatible??? I can't see why not as I'd have thought the wheelbase would just act as a pass through in/out of the drivehub , same as my T300 RS. Don't want the hassle of buying it to find out it won't!! Just want to make sure it will work natively with the Trueforce etc.
It's way too expensive to consider with the lack of rims and who knows with logitech they could just pull out of the segment again at any time.
In US combo is $ 1262 with free shipping. 999 +262 for pedals which is a bargain for the quality they bring
the price point is disappointing considering how lackluster the pedal set is. and you can’t really plug and play with other pedals.
This is incredible!
How is it comparing to a T-GT2 ?
Just ordered mine. I'm on a high end PC and also own a PS4 Pro. Was wanting a Fanitec but they are always out of stock. Guess they missed out on my $$$.
Is this Logitech wheel and pedal set compatible with other brand shifters and e-brakes ?
hi, iam getting the wheel this week. do you recommend any settings for gt7? thx for nice review
Hello thank you for your video! Do you think the trueforce is something that would make you replace a Fanatec GT DD Pro with this new wheel ?
Cheers! That's a tough call. It's a better FFB experience in GT7, no question, but it might not make sense to replace a GT DD Pro depending on how invested you are in the Fanatec ecosystem and how much you play other games in which TrueForce doesn't offer such a substantial improvement.
Really nice review, i am really looking forward to this since it is very difficult to find available Fanatec models to buy...
One question though: Does this wheel pair with a Playseat Evolution or it is very heavy?
I'm not sure the Playseat Evolution will be stable and sturdy enough for this wheelbase with all that torque. But I might be wrong. My Playseat Evolution flexes quite a bit when I use my Thrustmaster TS-XW and the max torque of that wheel is just 6 NM.
The wheel base + rim is a combined 8.5kg (18.7 lbs.).
I ordered the Playseat Challenge for this, which I know is different, but it should work well from a point of contact in Logitech who’s tried. My wheel comes in tomorrow, send me a reply here if you’re interested in how it works out
@@gothops154 yea i am still interested
@@SagnolTheGangster it isn’t a lightweight, but the Challenge is more than capable of handling it. I imagine the Evolution is even more capable.
Thanks for this review - sure as thunder follows lightning going to get one - curious to know what is that shifter you have? Looks cool as.
Cheers! It's a Thrustmaster TH8A shifter.
@@gtplanet thank you very much Sir - already on it
Good wheel, crazy price!
I think will be option to conect different pedals do drive hub 🤔?
Man the new meta is complaining that the Logitech setup is too expensive. Like idk if you guys have seen the price of a Fanatec DD + pedals, but what Logitech has here is a competitive piece of kit at a competitive price. Plus it’s actually in stock unlike Fanatec which has been out of stock for months.
I’m also saying this from a GT7/console perspective, Im sure when it comes to PC the price concerns get more valid since there are way more options.
Looks great!
What's the bet when Logitech makes customizable steering wheels for these, they are gonna cost way more than a good old Momo Alcantara steering wheel
@GTplanet how do you compare the G pro vs the fanatec dd pro on console only. Mainly GT7?
The additional effects from TrueForce make the G PRO a substantial upgrade, but the pedals aren't as good as Fanatec's.
@@gtplanet good to hear. If your abt to compare the true force to the dd pro. I use dd pro on gt7 and on asseto on pc. The diff in ffb is huge. Is this the same case?
There is still a difference between GT7 and Assetto, but the difference is much smaller with this wheel. Assetto has more detail in the track surface, GT7 seems to have more detail in the curbs with TrueForce.
What frame do you have this mounted to? Any play in the wheel / pedal mount? What seat do you have?
This is mounted on an Obutto Revolution with the stock seat. No play in the wheel/pedal mount, but oddly some of the screw points on this G PRO didn't line up with the Logitech bolt pattern on this rig, so it's just screwed in with a single screw here. Still works though. Would definitely recommend the Obutto.
What settings are you guys using in game and in the wheel settings?
Great review. I’ve been torn over Fanatec and Logitech g pro , for past year or so. I own g29 right now and kinda want Fanatec next but I’m in U.K. and Fanatec in Germany. So for less stress , I was just going to go with Logitech. I’m positive I’ll love the wheel, as I’m only used to g29 and I’m actually sure I’ll be happy with Logitech pedals, as I’m only used to those that came with g29 BUT just you and some others saying the pedals are not great, especially when compared to other brands, it really turns me off. I just don’t like the feeling that I’ll be wasting £350 on Logitech pedals. Saying that, I have the £1250 saved for Logitech setup and I might just buy the bullet and go for it. I’m so in love with sim racing that I want to buy other setups and I guess I could go with Fanatec in a year or 2 and be happy with Logitech offering. I just hope Logitech release more wheels. I mean, being quick release, suggests that of course they will release more wheels. Why release a quick release wheel, if you only giving 1 wheel? Then I’m like, but this has been out for about 1 year and still no wheels or shifter/handbrake. Like maybe Logitech just said , ah fuck it, 1 wheel will do.
I've had my G Pro wheel and pedals since launch and it has performed flawlessly and I'm so happy with my purchase. I had the budget for any wheel and I'm glad I went with the Logitech
@@mrctuned2844 I’m just so torn. Was you not tempted by Fanatec? I almost saved enough £1250 for Logitech, I just don’t know if I should go for it. Do you know if Logitech have even stated that they will release any new wheels to go with wheel base? I can’t help think they may release 1 F1 wheel and leave it at that. If only I was able to try the Logitech. I’d only need 1 race in dirt rally or Wrc 10 to make up my mind.
@grahamkelly8662 oh I was very very torn between the 2. What it came down to was do I want more force feedback strength or do I want TruForce... I went back and forth and I watched a few sim racers say they rarely went above 10nm with any wheel... so that sold me on the Logitech. I pre-ordered it and I was very pleased when I took it out of the box.
I have to say, of all the little details that make it a truly great and well thought out wheel, the one I ended up loving the most was the 5 storable presets, accessible from the wheel itself. I love GT7 and this became a huge benefit for that style game. I have 5 presets (you can use a PC to name them and they never get erased from the base) for different styles of cars, and it makes it too easy to have fun in a game like GT7 where you go from a stock road car to a GT3 to a LMP1 car in a matter of minutes. For example, I have my presets as:
Road car
Performance/GT4
GT3
GT2
Prototype
And each of these have the dozens of settings saved under them so you can switch profiles in about 5 seconds. It's just awesome.
The other thing I like is that at least in GT7, turned all the way up to 11nm you never get any clipping. It sort of maximizes the strength available so there is no wasting the available power. And maxed out it really does have power, holding long sweepers in a downforce car really makes you tired at the max setting.
The only complaint I've had for the whole thing are the steel "feet" under the base which made it so it didn't line up with the holes on my rig. I actually just bent them a few times and broke them off, because my wheel will never not be bolted down. At the time I bought a new rig with the wheel so naturally the rig wasn't really made for the G Pro yet. That's my only complaint.
If I had to do it all over again, I'd still buy the Logitech. I had no budget when I bought this one so I picked the one I wanted. The TruForce is worth it, in my opinion. I absolutely love my wheel, and probably won't need to ever replace it.
@@mrctuned2844 have you tried gt7 in vr? I did and I wasn’t impressed. For some reason my wheel g29 won’t even work properly with gt7. It’s fine with dirt and Wrc thankfully. Not sure what the problem is. say I wanted to use 60% forcefeedback on the Logitech direct drive to start out, can I do that via wheelbase and not have to do so in game? I’m a little worried that I may break my hands or and arms with too high forcefeedback lol. Oh what rig do you have? I’m asking because you saying you had to snap off the feet on wheelbase. I currently have a gt omega Titan and probably going to upgrade to the Gt Omega Prime cockpit, for better customisability , in a year or so. Oh, are you buying the new Wrc 23? I might have to pick it up. Although I’m a bit hooked to Wrc 10 right now. I just hope ea don’t fuck this new rally game up.
The g pro pedals feel great to me. But I have never tried fanatec.
How is the noise level with trueforce?
Just saw another review, where the trueforce noise was close to unbearable.
It's adjustable, so you can have TrueForce as intense or weak as you want. I prefer the extra detail, but I don't have it turned up too high.
It's a great wheel pedal setup. Combined with the Playseat Logitech g edition.... Expensive as F... But awesome
Does anyone know if a shifter can be added to this setup?
great review, thx.
I think the pedals will stop me from buying this product, I currently have the Thrustmaster Load cells and they are great. Can you compare the Thrustmaster Load cell Breaks to these?
Great review.
Does that work with a thrust master shifter
I am hoping to get some help with my new g pro wheel...I am using on PS4 and when I try to use with f 1 2021, get to options selection to move on and I can't get passed that. I have hit every button and contacted support and they have no clue. Please help as the wheel does work with 2019f1 and it is truely amazing and I do not want to return
My only suggestion would be to try using G923 Compatibility Mode on the G PRO wheel.
Can you use the wheel, but use Fanatec Clubsport v3 pedals at the same time for Gran Turismo?
Unfortunately no.
@@gtplanet dang - that would of helped with the short cominga
Hello I just get one ...can you please give me your settings for gt7 please 🙏
Congrats to Logitech and what a shame for thrustmaster!
The best wheelbase you’ve ever tried? Honestly?
Amazing review, more of these please 👍🏽👍🏽
MINES ISNT WORKING ON PS4 WHEEL ISNT TURNING?????
It seems the FFB will benefit pretty much from that
Thanks! Great review! And: Do more vids, do more vids, do more vids! 😃
I take it the H pattern does not work and there isn't a Logitech version - Might be a while before I look into a DD at this rate.
That's correct.
hi gtp, may i know your nice looking seat rig?
Nice review ;)
I think all the current Fanatec pedals are junk and have used them all. Even real race drivers have stated the brakes aren't super stiff
Too much plastic in the base itself too. Unlike Moza which is mostly made of airplane grade aluminum.
For gt7 only is this better than the fanatec dd pro or extreme??
Yes, as long as fullforce are not implemented to the game
@@chuanjenchang3153makes no sense as why full force isnt available yet for anygame. They definitely tried to compete with the G Pro and rushed it. I wonder how it will compare to trueforce
@@axxion231 Fanatec just don't have the energy to handle the support for GT7 or Fullforce at the moment considering thier financial situation I suppose......
Logitech rules
Does it work with regular asseta corsa on ps?
Yes.
Looks very nice, shame about the LCs tho
Hopefully they will develop different wheels such as fanatec. Least with the dd pro you can use on all formats
On playseat challenge will it fit?
I wanna know too. Did u buy one finally
At this price + consoles + games + ecosystem add-ons, I'll buy a real racing car instead. (this is the G Pro Racing best review so far. Thanks!)
Someone good gt sport settings??
As a SIM racer these are my initial thoughts. Way too expensive, looks like 💩 compared to competition, lack of customisation, virtually no eco system and it's sounding like each base is locked to each console. This really raises the question who is this for? Fanatec on console and have a cheaper and better product. 2mn less but you have a full eco system and loads of modifications available. They're gonna struggle to sell this. If idiots like me are not interested, who's paying the big £££. I spent as much on my pc pedals. It's set at an enthusiast price level. But we're not interested. So who's buying it lol.
Worth it for ps5 gt7.
The pedals are 389 euros and not 349?
Prices have been changing since they were announced. The numbers in this video came from the pre-launch press kit.
Ok, sold.
Didnt know gt planet have a channel
Welcome! Yeah, we don't publish much video, but when we do this is where it'll be.
Holy sheep sheet that's $$$$. I just order a Moza R5 for $560 complete!
$1350 for a wheel and pedals is absurd. It should’ve came with the pedals at the $999 price. Even then the price is a lot to swallow.
Nice review, but for the G29 is still so good, I don't see why I should spend 1.400 Euro for a new wheel??
I own a G29 and it’s really nothing special…. After few min of intense racing the engines overheat and the force feedback drops at around 1Nm. It’s crap! I owned 1 g25 and 2 G29 and all had the same issue.
I own the same and it’s a crappy wheel compared to DDs. Granted for me it’s cheaper in USD, but you still get what you pay for, way more feedback thru DD = faster lap times when you can feel the limits better
Logitech’s reliability might be the reason for buying this
Laughable pricing. Likely costs them well under $200 to make
Hy i just purchased the wheel, but i got the ThrustMaster LCM pedals .. i'm going to play mostly on computer, but i do own a Ps5 and i suppose i'm going to nee my simhub for playing Gt7, because of the pedals... Do you think it will reveal the "force even through the Simhub? Thanks for the eventual attention
I presume you mean drivehub, not simhub. Did you manage get the TM LCM pedals to work on PS5? I was told that Trueforce won't work when connected through the drivehub??
@@tomwatkins9490 hy... Honestly, i did not yet tried on my Ps5, i'm still busy on computer since i bought the wheel, but i'm not surprised that "true force" can have issues through Simhub ... Shame, i will wait to gain also the pedals from Logitech... Also there is no H shifter yet available, so i could not enjoy anyway...
The price is ridiculous 😂 My Fanatec is compatible with ps5, pc @nd x box x too for 900 EUR!!! 😅