"We end up in this tragic situation where everyone's fighting all the time, even though they would do better if they could just cooperate." humanity explained.
The good news is that human history has trended towards greater equality, more cooperation, and less conflict over time. Probably, that fact doesn't reflect a change in the overall human genome though. It's something very different that genetics cannot entirely explain by itself. You have to actually conceptualize it, because evolution is much bigger than genetics. In terms of genetics, we are barely any different now than we were 10,000 years ago, when civilizations began to emerge all around the world, and there was nonstop fighting. The reason that humans all began to settle down at the same time was, probably, because the climate was changing, given that it was right around the end of the last ice age. Humans had to adapt to the same global event at the same time. As it happened, we all chose the same solution. We were already a prosocial species who could think ahead and plan for the future, so the easiest solution to scarcity due to mass extinction was literally just grouping together, sharing, and cooperating to make life mutually better for everyone. Everyone can contribute to what needs to be done, and at the end of the day, everyone actually has more energy to do more things as a result. You don't have to work nearly as hard if you have help. It's pretty obvious when you think about it. It is beneficial for you to get help, and in order to get help, you have to do something to help someone else too. You have to cooperate and share, but in return, you are also more likely to survive. Ever since we settled down into fixed societies and abandoned the ways of our nomadic, hunter-gatherer ancestors, we have begun to evolve culturally, as well as biologically. We became reliant on others for our own survival, and as a result, it became a selective pressure to conform to the norms of the group. If you contribute more to the group, then the group will favor you, and you will be taken care of. It is thus beneficial for your own survival to contribute to the group's survival. On the other hand, if you try to cheat the group and only take for yourself without ever giving back, then you will be shunned, cast out, or possibly even executed by your peers (depending on the severity of your crimes). Selfishness is thus selected against. Empathy is an advantage in close-knit society where everyone helps everyone, but not in a culture where people are distant and pessimistic about the motivations of others. In that case, selfish behavior would be more advantageous to you, because it is not certain that your cooperation will be reciprocated by someone else in the group. You might be expending energy working for the sole benefit of someone else, but then not receiving the same altruism in return. So, you are actually worse off for contributing to society, and it might be preferable to build a shack in the woods and live by yourself. Simply put, modern society *is* the prisoner's dilemma. Cooperation is preferable, but no one trusts anyone else, so they don't want to risk contributing to the group without receiving anything back from the group.
Hijacking to say - Nash equilibrium does not exist in the payoff matrix proposed. Nash would be if at least one of the players had a dominant strategy, resulting in the optimal square always being the same. In this example, no dominant strategy exists, because both players want to react to the opposite player.
There is another variable to consider here. A green blob, perhaps called the Raven. The Raven acts like a Hawk when facing a Dove and acts like a Dove when facing a Hawk. I wager this would be the most successful strategy. You could even add a fourth, a yellow one called a Swan that acts like a Dove when facing a Dove but acts like a Hawk when facing a Hawk. I would like to see such a simulation.
@@harmhoeks5996 Well anything that talks about human interaction are usually explained using game theory because that is how we think. They teach game theory in Politics as Basics of all political interactions :) The governments' job should be to educate people that they should act as a blue blob and the government will act as a blue blob and then you get maximum return. That is why Danish people are happy, as they get the maximum from their taxes as the corruption is really low :)
In a nutshell. Doves like olives but not enough to want it all for theirselves, while Hawks like olives so much that they will die if given the chance to get more olives.
I haven't felt this sort of childish joy at being able to figure something out for myself in ages. When I first saw the graph of Hawk v Dove and figured out the trend it was going towards, I was amazed. Thank you.
@@bananesalee7086 What I mean is not lowering the level. Instead, what I mean is when a teacher tells you just enough so that you can figure the solution yourself.
@@peestrem31 He explained it then and there, with what You and him should pick if you face off. Whether you pick dove or hawk, Which one would be the most beneficial for you
That interaction number is off because of how youtube counts views, its possibke to like or comment before your view gets counted, thus falsely inflating your interaction percentage
"If 2 individuals come across a pair of food, they will have to figure out how to share the food." Creature1: damn, Jerry, I dunno, how are we going to split 2 pieces of food between the two of us?
what’s interesting to me is that it seems the most beneficial to be all doves, but only if food is abundant. If food is abundant, then enough doves will have a chance of reproducing. However, the high levels of reproduction might outpace the amount of food, leading to aggression being the only way to survive and reproduce.
Well, you could calculate the chances of the dove dying (or surviving) the first day: If it meets a hawk, there's a 50% chance of it surviving. If it doesn meet a hawk, theres a 100% chance of survival and reproducing Now you have to add the chances of both situations happening. Lets say there are 10 pairs of food, 9 hawks and 1 dove. and we'll assume everyone finds a pair of food. All hawks have a 10% (1 of the 10 pairs of food has the dove) chance of going to the pair of food with the dove, 9 * 10% = 90%. So theres a 10% chance the dove doesnt meet a hawk. 10% * 100% + 90% * 50% = 55% chance of survival. And now without fixed numbers, but just some variables: (gonna use numbers instead of percentages here) survival = (1 - [#hawks] * 1 / [#food pairs]) * 1 + ([#hawks] * 1 / [#food pairs]) * .5 (if anyone finds any mistakes in my calculations, please lemme know) _What am I doing with my life, its 00:30am, I should go to bed instead of watching random math videos_ Edit: I forgot to include the fact that there cant be more than two creatures at one pair of food, which does influence the calculations a little. i.e., 10 food pairs, 19 hawks, 1 dove. theres a 100% chance that the dove will meet a hawk, because there are 20 spots where creatures can sit, which will all be taken, so there would be a 50% chance of survival. But with the formula I created it would be a 5% chance of survival, because according to the formula, there can be more than two creatures at one pair of food. I'll try to include that in the formula tomorrow...
Alright, new day, new math I think I got the right formula now h = number of hawks f = number of food pairs d = chance of dying when meeting a hawk survival = 1 - h / (2f-1) * d example: h = 3 f = 8 d = .5 survival = 1 - h / (2f-1) * d = 1 - 3 / (2*8-1) * .5 = 1 - 3 / 15 * .5 = 1 - .2 * .5 = 1 - .1 = .9 = 90% if anyone finds a mistake in my math, please lemme know
@@amber3650 Your 2f-1 term doesn't really make any sense to me. Perhaps there is some reasoning behind it that isn't totally off, but I calculated the answer and got a slightly different answer. Here's the idea: Let's called p the probability that you meet a hawk. The chance of survival is 100% if you don't meet a hawk and 50% if you meet a hawk, or 1*(1-p)+.5*p. Let's try to calculate p. Let's say there are f food pairs and h hawks (to keep consistent with your notation). Your food pair is fixed. There are (f choose h) ways to organize all the hawks, and (f-1 choose h) ways to organize all the hawks so that they aren't on your food pair. Thus, the chance that you don't meet a hawk is (f-1 choose h)/(f choose h), which if you do the algebra simplifies out to be (f-h)/f. This then means that the chance of meeting a hawk is h/f, or in your example 3/8. So our total survival probability comes out to be (f-h)/f+.5*h/f=(2f-h)/2f, or 13/16=81.25% in your example More generally, if your survival rate when meeting a hawk is s, then the probability of surviving the first day is (f+(s-1)h)/f. Let me know if you have any questions. EDIT: I goofed, correct formula should (hopefully) be below in my next comment.
@@amankarunakaran6346 Did you include the fact that there can only be zero, one or two creatures at one pair of food? I tested your formula with the example 19h, 10f, 1d, and survival chance at meeting of 0.5. The answer should be 0.5, because the dove will always meet a hawk, because there are 19 places where hawks can sit, and there are 19 hawks, and the chance of surviving is 0.5. But your formula gave me the result 0.05. In fact, everything with x food, and 2x-1 hawks and 1 dove, should result in 0.5. But your formula only does that with 1 food, 1 hawk and 1 dove, because then you are forcing the one hawk to meet the dove. Does that logic make sense? EDIT: I just tested it with another example, 2f, 1h, 1d. And in that case your formula is correct (.75), and mine isn't (.83). So it looks like we're both wrong...
@@amber3650 Ack, I missed the chance that two hawks can go to the same food pile, thanks for pointing that out. So basically there are 2f locations to stand (2 for each food pile), and each hawk/dove can only stand at 1 location. Then, the chance that you don't meet a hawk is (2f-2 choose h)/(2f-1 choose h)=(2f-1-h)/(2f-1), and the chance you meet a hawk is h/(2f-1) (I now see where you got it from). So the formula should come out to .5*h/(2f-1)+1*(2f-1-h)/(2f-1) =(.5*h+1*(2f-1-h))/(2f-1) =(2f-1-.5h)/(2f-1). I think the mistake in your original formula was not including the probability that you don't meet a hawk as a coefficient to the 1. Alright, I think this should actually be correct this time. Christ, and combo is supposed to be my good subject...
@@huskayaken8252 your the 100th person to like my comment. I'm gonna fly you down to Florida and interview for a talk show im hosting. Your not gonna gonna what it's called wanna be in it!?
And even if you survive it's useless. In my country they've made quite stupid movie, part of serie. It was about guy being left by fiance because she preferred wealthier guy. So what her ex did? Found another girl? Nope. He sold all his stuff to get money and asked friend for help to pretend he won lottery or sth and is even more wealthy to stop her wedding, get her back and than, revealed that he's poor as hell ad left her. It was typical revenge. Guy just lost everything.Time, money, furniture... to make little, useless prank on his ex. Revenge is waste of time and sources.
Nice! its worth saying that a population of 50% hawks and 50% doves is equivalent to a population of individuals who play randomly play hawk and dove, each 50% of the time. The randomness qualification is important because, of course, knowing what your opponent will play changes what you should play.
"We end up in this tragic situation where everyone's fighting all the time, even though they would do better if they could just cooperate." Humanity's past and present in a nutshell.
Basically greed will get 2 pieces of blob food and none for hawk or dove so basically the greed population will rise then once there is no doves or hawks to steal off of the greed will die!
So basically we will all die in the future after we finish recycling trash and putting plastic bottles in our trashcans, pollute the water, and die from being poor if we don't get a good job.
I don’t understand. Where did that one dove get the reproduction possibility? If he only met with hawks, he could only have 50% chance of living, but no reproduction chance.
@@slellyman.6700 not cruel, if everyone shared we wouldn’t have anything to take but if everyone takes we wouldn’t have anything to share. We need competitive Hawk like people and we also cooperative Dove like people. People think of the color red as bad but to me it’s the color of competition not hurting people just trying to be better.
thats what I didn't get didn't he say if they only get a half they can't reproduce how can the only dove in a stack of hawks possibly reproduce then edit: aight so the moment he explained the purple blobs it seems to be apparent that you somehow have a chance of reproducing even if you went home with only 1/2 food would've been nice if he explained that more clearly at the start
Ranora I just forgot that they can also encounter no one but I thought there’d be enough blobs so that everyone in the group would meet someone else Banana narwhals already reminded me of it
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Exactly. That's the point I dont understand.when they meet hawk they get 1/4th of food. And how can they survive before they even start to reproduce. I mean did they escape so many times from hawk ? Or is it one of the multiple scenarios/universe we are talking about. If that's the case I can understand, but otherwise that should be one lucky dove.
@@ursyedis The population was kinda low with hawks only so the chance of getting to food alone were really good as this was also the only way hawks could survive, because for hawks only, they either reproduce or die, but they never "just survive" The dove most likely didn't have to survive more than once (if at all) to get to reproduce and from that moment on it became easier and easier. But yes, if the dove had been unlucky, it would have died on the first day and it would have been over for the doves. But like one of the past videos said, many things on evolution depend on chances. Obviously to prove a point the shown simulation was not taken from one of the unlucky dove versions.
3:43 "Now if we add a Dove to the mix, what do you think will happen?" Dove meets Hawk on it's first day, only gets half food, then dies. "uhh, let's try that again..."
Yeah this experiment is fucked. The dove only has a half chance to die if it meets a hawk too.. But if two hawks meet they both die. So naturally red will decrease and blue will always increase.
@@maxxiang8746 He probably did it more than once, and just threw out the times where the doves died out. because even if you have 4 doves, they'll probably all meet a hawk and still have a chance of going extinct on the same night
Smells of bias here. The hawk also has a very real chance of dying, the only case where a hawk added on the fourth day would not die individually is if they won the roll not to meet any other hawk. In the event where a hawk is in an environment with less food than competitors they will die more often after a certain threshold is met. That being that there is more than a 50% chance to meet a hawk on the first day, if that condition is met it is always better to be a dove on first day than a hawk.
@@CongaYT you also have to remember, they chose a random food (it seemed like there was a limiter of most 2 per pair of foods) and with the hawk population being so low compared to the plateau of doves.. they werent eating every food available each day, a lot of it went to waste.. to express this as numbers (definitely not accurate numbers, but enough so that you get the trend) lets say there are 100 hawks, and 100 food pairs (200 individual foods) because they chose food at random, you can expect 1/2 of them to go uncontested and get 2 foods, and the other 1/2 will contest each other over the same food.. so that leaves 50 hawks eating 50 pairs (100 foods) by themselves, then the other 50 hawks contest 25 pairs (50 foods) leaving 25 pairs of foods to go to waste.. now add that 1 dove, and it has 25 food pairs locked up that it cant go to (because theres 2 hawks at it) 50 food pairs that it will have a 50% chance of survival at, and 25 pairs that it has a 100% chance of survival (and reproduction) so in essence, it has a 1/3 chance to definitely live and reproduce, and a 2/3 (66%) chance to be contested, and of that a 50% chance to survive, so only a 33% chance to die. while it would be unlucky for it to die on the first or second night, it wouldnt be expected.. and once it reproduced, even just 1 time, the survival of the species as a whole increases each day until equilibrium. obviously those calculations are assumed that the hawks random choice goes 50/50 between being contested or uncontested.. but even at the absolute worst case scenario, that all 100 hawks each go to their own food pair and our dove is forced into a 50/50 for survival, it has that 50% chance to survive, and if it manages to survive the next day (another 50% battle, for 25% cumulative chance) then its survival would be nearly guaranteed as well, because by the end of the second day, 198 hawks would kill each other, and there would be just 1 hawk and 1 dove remaining (would actually be 99.5%.. 1% chance to be contested, and a .5% chance to starve from being contested) ((also note for this worst case, the hawk that contested the dove night 1 didnt reproduce, otherwise there would be 1 creature that didnt get to go after any food pill, or would be forced to add in a 3 way split etc.. so just removed that for simplification))
Ya I like to think of it as extinction of species that could work but just got unlucky. For example dinosaurs were the champions of the world before a big rock randomly came and yeeted their success into the ground. In that Dove's case he just got lucky that the rock's yeet dice landed on a 41.
What happens if we add a “vulture”, that when it finds any kind of conflict wether it be dove or hawk, it will go to another random pile, repeating a few times, then going home with what it has? (Just a conflict avoider)
Seriously, studying economics in my masters and game theory in detail for several years now, PROPS for this fast and well understandable insight into game theoretical analysis. Explanations and calculations were nicely done and on top niveau where some profs could learn from!
Only retards thank people for likes B̶̨̧̨̢̧̧̢̡̧̧̢̢̢̢̨̡̨̢̧̨̡̢̡̢̧̡̛̛̛̮̖͈̲͚͉͚͔̘̞͍͍̼̱̪̦͔̻͕͉̳̜̖̞̮̳̻͇̦̩͉̗͇̺̼͔̣͓̬͓̞̟̭͓̘̥̲̬͈̼̩̥͉̱͚̝̠͓̩͕̤̼͙͈̫̘͙͚̬̪͖̘̲̻̪̘͉̼̗̳̤̹̙̟̮̘̬͓̰̲̩͙̝̹̮̙̖̮̰̙̬̮̮͖̭̗̘͉̦̭̼͖̝̠͇̝̬̫̦̘͍̭̱͇͚̗͚͕͈̠͎̫̪͔͉̬̰̫̰̘̱͓̟̞̤̩͇̠͉̤͉̹͔̤̻͈͇͈͕͚͔̮̳̜̞̭̖̪͎̘̠̙̦̬̣̫͚̙͓̹̪̟̗̜̝͇͖̠͔͍̖͓̼͙̦̜̟̖̩̞̹̱̰̖̩͎͍̗͕̱͔̘̻͔̥̲̠̭͔̱̜̝̣͖̱̈́̾̅̏̒̈́̈́̇͗͛̔̍̋̇̄̔͋̒̌̒̉̍̀̀̔̊͊́͂̊̔̈́̈́͆̑͐͛̄̎̊͗̈̎̓̏͛̈̽̎̍͛̈́͛̿̇͊̔͗͊̐̓͆͑̓͐͋̄̊̊̀̽́͛́͆͊͊̂̀̆̀̂̽̊̽̾̐̌̓̀̄̚̕̚͘͜͜͜͜͝͝͠͝͝͝͝ͅͅͅ ̴̨̧̨̨̡̡̨̛̛̛̛̛̛͍̪̪͎̗̮͈̻̩̟̰̲̭̬̜͕̩͚͕̯̳͔̬̺̹̻̳̯̘͎̹̦͍̗̦̲̘̥͙̩̝̠̼̻̯̖̭͍͙͖͓̺͉̫̙̭̰̤̟̖̱̭͕̻͚̰̬̮̯͍̭̳̗͓̹͎̳̘̙̗̤̩̜̜̳̬͙̮̞̻̖̉͗̓̏͛͌̊̓̑̄̓̎́̈́͊̍͑̓̃͆́̓͆͒͂̊̂͌͊̊͂̈́̐̆͛͗̉͐̒̎͌͑͆̒̀̽̇͒̎̎̋̓̓̀̓̋̒̐͑͛̆͒̏̎͌̾̓̾̎͂̆̃̉̅̑̑͒̽͋͂̄̓͐̏̈́̋́̅̍̓̏̋̓̈́͒͌̇́̓͌̀̏͐̀͊̄̔̌͛̏͛̈́̅̔̃͌́̀̎͐̏̇̓̋̅̈́̆̌̿͊̌̿̿̓̉͂̔̅̃͆͌̀̋̓͌̌͌͂͛̌̋́̏̔͛̏̈́̇̾̽̀͛̉̎̓̈́̀̎̂͆̍̉́̉̑̈́͋̀̌͂̽̃̋͑̃̾͗́͋͛̔̋̀̍͗̍̀̀͂̔̂̑͂͋̋͆̐̈́̀̈́̎̐̑̔̊̆̎̆͑̀̍̀̉̈̉̔͂̕̚͘͘͘̕̚͘̕̚͜͜͜͜͝͝͝͝͝͝͠͝͠͝͠͝͝͠ͅŗ̵̛̛̛͕̣̙̠͚̳͕̱̖̫͈͈̫̲͚̭̭̻͈̝͓̙̥̼̻̺̜̜̣̩̜̘̗̺̻̪̤̜̍̌̅̐̐̓̏̂̂̇́͐̿̂͐͊͂̒̔͑̃͒̎̂̊̏́̒̃̓̿͋̌́̾̄́̂̑̏̂͐͑͑́̓̐̑͑̌̈́̒̀̉̓̀̏̃̀̓͑̊̋̊̐̄́͛̉͐̄̈̔̾͗̓̅̐͋̓̇̈́̀̊́̔̋͋̌̅̾̃̐̇̌͋̎̾̆̈̓̃͌̈́̃̐͋̊̈͒̇͒́͊̈̂̒̆̎͑̈́̐̀̂͒̿̑̕͘̚̕̚̕̚̚̕̕̚͜͝͠͝͝͝͝͠͝ͅͅ ̶̨̡̧̡̡̨̧̧̨̧̨̨̨̧̨̧̢̢̡̡̢̨̢̨̢̡̛̛̛̛̛̛̛̛̩͎̝͙̘̞̞̱̞͓̮̝̱̫͍̜̭͖͈̞̳̣̳̦̣̖̟̮̟͈̭̩͙̖̦͔̘̰̲̪̮̞̣̩͔̼̻̘̮̰͙̦̱̭̙̯̱̭̮͈̰̟̳̼̯̭̗͉̲̼̹̰̪̮̳͙̪̥͈͇̟̙̜̮͖͔͎̺̜͉̩͕̬͇̪̦̩͕̱̲̺͕͇̱̼̣̮̣̮̟̖̩̲̫̖͕̖̳̦͍̱̯̙͉̺̳͍͓͎͕̪̼̖̞͉͉̘͙͔͉̳͉̤͇̝͕̞͖̲̰̪̰͙̦̫̻͎̩̼̱̺̳̹͖̮̺̝̬͙̮̜͚̙͙̤̺̗̘͔̺̞͉̰̙̞̦̦̘͙͓̱͎̖̘͙̱̯̝̥̟̞̭̤͓̱̳͚͇͇̰̲̤̩̹̯̪͖̼̤͔͈̜͕͈̤̗̭͇̹͚̂͆̂̈̅̎̇̋̿̄̾̇̊̌͗͌̓̍̂͑̇̐̿̿͌̀̄́̆͒͋̔͐̑̈́̓̊̉͒̃̑̀͂̏̇́̒̂́̅͗̄̈́̿́͌̍́̿̾̿͂́̄͌͑͌̇͑͒͛͑̈̄̈̑̀̔̓̎̽̐̓̌͋̀̿̍̔͒̐̅̊̀̾̎̇͑̀̐̌̈́͛̈͂͑̌͛͐͌͗͊̔̈́̾̏̍̎͊͒̉̂̊̉̇̂̅̄̏̀̈͐͂̾́͂͑̎͂͆̾̐̍̌̍̂̏͋̃͊̾̒͛̽͗͂͋̓͑̽̑͂̈́̿̒̅̊́͆͂̂̾͌͐̅̃̑̅̋̋̍͌͗̐̃̌̽̀̏̔͊̾͑̒̅̀́̀̋͋̿͊̅̈́̅̆̏̆̾̃̔̔͋̈́̑͋̂͆͋̅̊̑̂͌̋̿́̒̈̃̌̍͛̓͋̇̉͘̚͘̚͘̚͘̕͘̚͘͘͘͘͘̕̕̕̚͘̕͜͜͜͠͝͝͝͝͠͠͝͠͝͠͠͝͠͝͝ͅͅͅͅủ̶̧̡̡̨̨̢̧̨̨̨̨̨̢̢̧̢̢̢̨̢̧̪͎̲̱̲͎̹͚̫̱̣͓͉̟̝͙̜͚̟͕͓̣̫͎̜̥̖̘̜̳̩͓̪̭͙̘̳̥͓͎̯̺̼̗̭̪̘̠̹̰̲̜̰͙͓̝̳̠̙̰͎̝̩̳̯̺͈̤̟̙̳̰̥̣̠̘̮̙̩̝̫̮͚̥̗͚͇͙̥͉̖͚̮̲̟̲̺̗͍̩̗̪͇͓̣͙͍͕͖̦̘͙̦͕̝͚͕̱̮͖͕̞͎̬͍̪̞̹͎̦̪̯͕̗̼̠̘͈̱̠̻͔̖͙̬͔̤͇͔̳͚͚͓͉̮̲̮̰͚̠̼̻͔̠̜̮̫̭̣̱̖̬͍͎͇̦͈̹͇͍̱̼̰̪̝͙̗̭̉̿͌̆͜͜͜͜͜͜͜͜͝ͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅ ̶̧̡̢̡̧̨̧̡̡̧̨̢̧̢̢̢̨̧̨̧̡̢̡̧̡̡̨̡̨̢̢̢̡̢͇͎̟̟̟̜͖̞͇̻̹͕̻͉̺̦̣̣̭̟̲̫͔̘̮̙̘͖͚̘̖̜͓̬̬͙̺̜̦̙͓̠̖̲̖̝͖̜̘̝͙̠̝̜̖̲̤̦̦̗̮͙̩̬̫͕̜̞̼̥̳̼̤͉̹̬͈͖̯̖̮̠͙͚̘̼̝̭̫̤͕̳̹̼̞̭͎̜͈̹̫̙̻̼̤̱͍̞͎̣̝͎͕̮͓͚̬͕̳̻̠͉͕̣͉̩̙̳̳̠͚͚͙͕̭͚̬̟̦̙̯͙̱̙̼̰͚̘͔̮̝̯̮͓͙͉͎̞͎̬̜̬̰̣̬̰̥̥̤̼̖̗͙͉̹̜̗̲̮̯̗̭͎͈̹̻͍͈̻̯̳͉̗͉̯͚͚̙̻̠̬͖̲͚̥̺̺͈̜͕̥̙͍͙̦͕͔͙͎̫̞̥̲̫͎͓̹̘͖͚͙͖̲̘͚̪̤̘̟̮̭̲̘̫̰̬̥̠̥͍̌͆̉̐̏̀̌̔͒̂̔͌̆͑̄̀̈́̌͋̓̀͋̒͂̆̊̈́̄̋̈́͘͜͜͜͝͠ͅͅḫ̵̨̨̡̧̢̧̡̢̡̧̢̨̢̧̨̨̛̬͔̻̘̙̥̖̯̲̘͙̜̥̥̠͍̪̫̰̦̠̞̣̗̣͕͖̥̫̯͈̠̫͙̱͚̫̺͎̟̬͓̱̳͉̮̙͕̞͙͚̟̪̱͉̪̞̱̘̤̪͍͚̙̠̳̲̖̫̝̗̘̬̯̻̬̱̩͉̭͓̼͙̰͇̟͔͔̠̘͍̙̗͍̞͔͍̲͉̪͖̮͚͇̭͉̝̥̳̝͇̝̫͙̦̰̜̙̲̣̘̠͖͈̙̻͕̺̳̦̳͔͓̬̪̭̦̬̖̥͔̤̺̳͇̞̲̦̭̭͖͔̭̖̩̭̟̹͓̲̹̫̱̰̳͇͚̗̝̬̲͇̥͔͒̃͛̅̍͌͊̆̏̀̾̊̋̔̓́̅̓͑̋̈̈́̉̀̀͌͌̎̈́̇̍̔̌͂͗̇̑̽̄̏́͐̃̏͊̈̿̇͂̀̈̇̃̀̏͐́̉͂͊̃̈̀͊́́̂̉̿̅̌̒̋̌̿͒͋͛̈̏̅̓͆͌̔̂̾͒͛͒́͒́͗̊͊̌̈̓̆͐̇̀̉̃͌̎̀͐̓̾̇̈̓̎͑̍̔͊͊̈̃̐̓́̀̓̃̒̈̒͆̅́̓̅̅̆̿̔͛͊͗͑̀̒͘̚̕͘͘̕͘͘̚̕̚̕̕͜͜͜͜͜͜͜͠͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͠͝ͅͅͅͅͅͅ
@@chrissizemore1772 Who says its copied? There is a similar comment but its not the same as others it could be inspired by the comment you think its copied from but it's not it's just used for inspiration. Sorry but I hate it when people say a comment is copied while really, it only has some similarities cause let me remind you 13 thousand people commented so far and you think all of those comments are different? once again sorry but it just annoys me so much to see people do this stuff and then again there is a chance this is copied but then changed a bit still that does not mean its copied, it's inspired by.
Very interesting and all.... Lovely idea (or is it Dovely?) and presentation too.... But one additional thing that would be great to model / simulate would be the age progression of the doves and Hawks.... The model in video only looks at sizes of populations surviving but not longevity or 'average age of survival' which is a big factor in behavioural evolution. So on each case there is an equilibrium between dove and hawk population but if numbers can be assigned to how many days they are surviving, it would give an idea about which species is losing more in the interactions.... As in real life, only adults can hunt and reproduce....
I think it's so fascinating to see on one hand how nearly everything can be "explained" with math but on the other hand eventually, in this example, the mathmatics become "almost" too complex because nature is just such a huge ecological and fascinating evironment.
@@lotion5096 you should look into symbolic logic. My professor would hate when I said this, but its largely breaking language barriers down and representing any sort of statement as a mathematical equation and you basically turn anything into a math equation of sorts. You should check it out!
bro it started as “these blobs need to eat food” and it ended as “if you look on the graph the equilibrium is displayed as an outcome of continuous controlling continuing extinction.” Like WAT
Riz Rishi Sahu if u really think ur that smart you should put into consideration, how many people actually like comments, how many people actually saw my comment, and how many people saw the video after i had posted the comment lol. idk if you noticed but out of all the people who saw the comment, at least 37, they at least understood the sarcasm lol. congrats 😂
The choice between "share" and "take" depends on the context: - **Share:** To distribute or give a portion of something to others, often implying generosity or collaboration. For example, you might share your lunch with a friend or share information in a group setting. - **Take:** To acquire or obtain something for oneself, often implying ownership or consumption. For example, you might take a book from a shelf or take a break from work. In general, "share" focuses on giving or distributing, while "take" focuses on acquiring or receiving.
Man, this guy knows how to make math kinda fun. Out of school already and this guy makes me wonder why my teachers couldn't get my attention like this.
You can learn more on game theory in microeconomics textbooks, you'll learn the basic definitions and how equilibriums work instead of starting off with multiple transactions like in the video. If you really want to hack at it, read the whole microeconomics textbook and you'll understand why in the real world there aren't any doves and they're all hawks lol.
Ashura Nero lol you can thinkk whatever you want to think but im just telling you i didnt steal this. Like i legit didnt steal this but anyways im not even making money or anything out of this so why would you need to care
*DOVE VS HAWK* Dove: "Sharing is caring" Hawk: "Communist detected on American soil. Lethal force engaged!" *HAWK VS HAWK* Both hawks: "Death is a preferable alternative to communism."
There are no Hawks. Only Vultures that pretend to be Hawks so Doves will pair with them rather than exclusively with other Doves. Because if Doves select food groups by first occupying only *uncontested* food blobs, then when all uncontested slots are filled, only forming Dove-Dove pairs, abandoning a food cluster if the second slot is contested by a non-Dove to join an already half occupied Dove cluster. Vultures die off rapidly when those basic selection conditions are fulfilled. But thats the wonderful power of free will. It means that evil only exists because we permit it by continued association.
Communism would be different. There would be one blob stealing everybody's food, keeping most of it for itself, some of it for its friends, and the rest would be distributed somewhat equally among the others blobs, but it would be so little that half of the blobs would be dead by the next generation.
peace is the best option, the problem is getting idiots to understand it. Plus this video is wrong, it drips with errors in reasoning, peace is not only the best option, it is the only option. we are just the latest state of a constant chain of reaction, peace and love is that reaction, it is movement, once we stop, the reaction stops, we turn into stone and crumble apart.
@@vividbunny7194 Hey hey my english is bad i using google tranlastor to creat this coment :D who invented the definition of good and bad, humans survived by doing "evil" by killing animals to eat, if we stopped killing animals to eat and just ate the plants, the soil would be bad, making it difficult to plant and kill plants and kill humans are literally a necessary evil
Yes in this sample size. But if the simulation was run with a higher population size, like in the end where he said it wasnt possible to animate that much, one dove at least would've certainly survived and reproduced itself. That's why this one dove survived with certainty. It would eventually happen in one of those sample sizes and that was shown.
@national socialiser many animals are polyamorous, some eat their mates, others will kill their children if they start to compete with them for leadership of the group, and very few animals grieve for dead family or mates if they were monogamous. In many ways humans are much more kinder than animals, only we perceive ourselves as worse because we have a better understanding of right and wrong then animals do - but we only have that "understanding" because of our peaceful nature in the first place. "Right" and "wrong" is a human concept. Animals just do what is best for them. Humans have this concept so that we can get along - our entire nature is a desire to fit in and be loved and get along because that is the survival strategy humans chose many many many eras ago. We want to a belong to a community and we are willing to die for that community so that the group may live on - this is why humans are described as social beings.
@national socialiser yes, that's what I said, I was replying to your statement that animals don't betray their families and are more accepting than humans among other things that were listed to portray animals as more "righteous" than humans. These actions are not "righteous" whether these actions were based on feelings or not.
A group of people working together will generally beat a group of people competing with each other. Thus, there is even cooperation in the midst of competition.
@@TheHoboTraveller no, because either he runs into a hawk and has a 50% chance of surviving, or he doesn't run into a hawk and gets 2 pieces, not just ensuring survival, but reproduction. So depending on the number of hawks vs food, the dove either has 50% of surviving or more, never less.
@@MDP1702 i regret to inform you that you are arguing the same point as the person you are arguing with. choshen was arguing you have a much less % chance of dying, while you were arguing you had a much higher % of surviving. note that OP said died, you said surviving
Honestly love the slow addition of complexity to your simulations, eventually you could turn this series to explain some fairly complex topics, given people would give it the time to watch from the beginning. Also funny story, apparently one of my friends who is in college have had their profs use one of your videos in their class.
Yo, I just found this dude yesterday, and he's already becoming one of my favorites. It takes a lot of knowledge, skill, and work to visualize and explain laws of nature and science, and this guy does it in perhaps the best way to date
This took “sharing is caring” to a whole new level
Hehehe lol true
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Communism
SpiderEye_Golum *soviet noises*
*Yep*
I don't know why this video was recommended to me, but I'm glad it was
Same here
The RUclips algorithm is confusing sometimes
Bitboxtunes same here buddy
Bitboxtunes same
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There’s something about multicolor pears fighting for their lives that’s completely fascinating.
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Yes, there is!
It’s kind of strange…
Ikr?
Honesty
I can't tell you how many times i've watched this video for how many years, but it remains one of my favorite videos of all time
4:35 is US Politics in a nut shell xD and the history of the US since the war of independance (almost all hawks) from 0:00 to 4:35
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same
Same, just came back here again
hawk tuah mentioned
"We end up in this tragic situation where everyone's fighting all the time, even though they would do better if they could just cooperate."
humanity explained.
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Let's try to shift that, fellow dove brethren!!
Thats actually the reason why there are less wars nowadays then in the past fighting just isnt worth it anymore
The good news is that human history has trended towards greater equality, more cooperation, and less conflict over time. Probably, that fact doesn't reflect a change in the overall human genome though. It's something very different that genetics cannot entirely explain by itself. You have to actually conceptualize it, because evolution is much bigger than genetics.
In terms of genetics, we are barely any different now than we were 10,000 years ago, when civilizations began to emerge all around the world, and there was nonstop fighting. The reason that humans all began to settle down at the same time was, probably, because the climate was changing, given that it was right around the end of the last ice age. Humans had to adapt to the same global event at the same time. As it happened, we all chose the same solution. We were already a prosocial species who could think ahead and plan for the future, so the easiest solution to scarcity due to mass extinction was literally just grouping together, sharing, and cooperating to make life mutually better for everyone. Everyone can contribute to what needs to be done, and at the end of the day, everyone actually has more energy to do more things as a result. You don't have to work nearly as hard if you have help. It's pretty obvious when you think about it. It is beneficial for you to get help, and in order to get help, you have to do something to help someone else too. You have to cooperate and share, but in return, you are also more likely to survive.
Ever since we settled down into fixed societies and abandoned the ways of our nomadic, hunter-gatherer ancestors, we have begun to evolve culturally, as well as biologically. We became reliant on others for our own survival, and as a result, it became a selective pressure to conform to the norms of the group. If you contribute more to the group, then the group will favor you, and you will be taken care of. It is thus beneficial for your own survival to contribute to the group's survival. On the other hand, if you try to cheat the group and only take for yourself without ever giving back, then you will be shunned, cast out, or possibly even executed by your peers (depending on the severity of your crimes). Selfishness is thus selected against. Empathy is an advantage in close-knit society where everyone helps everyone, but not in a culture where people are distant and pessimistic about the motivations of others. In that case, selfish behavior would be more advantageous to you, because it is not certain that your cooperation will be reciprocated by someone else in the group. You might be expending energy working for the sole benefit of someone else, but then not receiving the same altruism in return. So, you are actually worse off for contributing to society, and it might be preferable to build a shack in the woods and live by yourself.
Simply put, modern society *is* the prisoner's dilemma. Cooperation is preferable, but no one trusts anyone else, so they don't want to risk contributing to the group without receiving anything back from the group.
Can you all just...
BEHAVE YOURSELVES
Thank you, I absolutely love these evolution simulations.
Hijacking to say -
Nash equilibrium does not exist in the payoff matrix proposed. Nash would be if at least one of the players had a dominant strategy, resulting in the optimal square always being the same. In this example, no dominant strategy exists, because both players want to react to the opposite player.
And the animations
Me too
@@ultearmilkojohn1145 12:02
Me two!
I won't lie, I love the fact that the blobs blink. It's a small detail, but it's so cute!
@@silent_stalker3687 They're definitely blinking. Look at the blue blob at the beginning of the video. It blinks a couple of times.
@@silent_stalker3687 uh, no. They're blinking.
Lmao, this silent stalker guy deleted his comment. Maybe he realised how stupid he was being
@Eliscpsis • precisely what he said. Like how dumb can one be tf 😂
Eliscpsis •
_the cursor_
There is another variable to consider here. A green blob, perhaps called the Raven. The Raven acts like a Hawk when facing a Dove and acts like a Dove when facing a Hawk. I wager this would be the most successful strategy. You could even add a fourth, a yellow one called a Swan that acts like a Dove when facing a Dove but acts like a Hawk when facing a Hawk. I would like to see such a simulation.
Swans are way tougher than the other birds, steer clear of them when kayaking.
That is a really good idea
@@TentacleseRexjust smack it with your paddle
What about when Raven and Swan Interact with each other?
You can also add a fifth, a grey one called the Seagull that just steals food from everyone cause seagulls are _assholes_
Primer in 5 years: "Okay so now we introduce our Blobs to another trait called taxes."
that decreases their death chance from 50% to 5%, unless they are red, than it increases their death chance by 10%
You'll be surprised at how many papers talk about GAME THEORY and TAXES.
10000+ for sure
@@harmhoeks5996 Well anything that talks about human interaction are usually explained using game theory because that is how we think. They teach game theory in Politics as Basics of all political interactions :) The governments' job should be to educate people that they should act as a blue blob and the government will act as a blue blob and then you get maximum return. That is why Danish people are happy, as they get the maximum from their taxes as the corruption is really low :)
This guy is going to end up simulating the entire universe
5% go to prison for tax evasion
Doves lived together in harmony, but it all changed when the Hawk nation attacked
Only the Aviatar, master of all four blobs, could stop them, but when the world needed him most, he vanished
Food, more food, hawks, and pigeons
Cool, i get the reference.
Damnit I always skipped the recap
1000 th likes
come back i need to see more blobs fighting to their death
I'm sorry, you'll need to wait until next black Friday.
@@TheIntJuggler lmaooo
Where did he go for real tho?
@@briansandoval316 I don't know
What does he use to make these simulations?
If I ever have to explain the Hawk/dove theory again, I will send people your way. You did a great job at explaining it.
In a nutshell. Doves like olives but not enough to want it all for theirselves, while Hawks like olives so much that they will die if given the chance to get more olives.
Yea true lol
Lol
this comment in a nutshell, half the time olives are to die for. literally.
@@charlotte_8814 Lmao ye
Bruh, I thought those were grapes, lol.
10/10. Great show with an amazing storyline. I routed for the Doves but I also cried when the Hawk nation was close to extinction.
I think his may have been one of the first comment s I ever liked thanks for making me laugh
Everything changed when the seagull nation attacked😂.
401st like
They had to coexist in their environment
The hawks were doing it to themselves. They deserve as much compassion as they give to others-none.
I haven't felt this sort of childish joy at being able to figure something out for myself in ages. When I first saw the graph of Hawk v Dove and figured out the trend it was going towards, I was amazed. Thank you.
The best teachers are the ones that make you feel smart am I right
Not sure about that.
If you decrease the level you'll feel smarter but it would not be efficient teaching.
@@bananesalee7086 What I mean is not lowering the level. Instead, what I mean is when a teacher tells you just enough so that you can figure the solution yourself.
@@NotASpyReally Like, actually using your brain instead of just memorizing facts?
@@thealover exactly
I was never good at stuff like this in math but watching this video actually just really made me understand how these problems worked.
Idk why but I always love seeing the “Prisoner’s Dilemma” in action. It’s always really interesting to see the dilemma
Same, it's very fascinating in a way.
what the heck is the prisonsjshrbrbers diklkirjnmsa?
@@peestrem31 Ted-Ed has a video on it, you should check it out!
@@hanoianboy9562 ok
@@peestrem31 He explained it then and there, with what You and him should pick if you face off.
Whether you pick dove or hawk, Which one would be the most beneficial for you
7.3k views, 1.3k likes, 3 dislikes
17.8% interaction, 99.8% like percentage... not bad numbers
The dislikes are the Hawks that fought and couldn't get any food
Now, 11k likes, 30 dislike. Meaning 99.99% like percentage 💣👌🏻
That interaction number is off because of how youtube counts views, its possibke to like or comment before your view gets counted, thus falsely inflating your interaction percentage
57 people just realized how dumb creationism is and are angry that they have to start learning science from scratch now.
But its skewed, The first people to view the video are probably subscribed and subscribed people are more likely to like.
"If 2 individuals come across a pair of food, they will have to figure out how to share the food."
Creature1: damn, Jerry, I dunno, how are we going to split 2 pieces of food between the two of us?
*kills jerry and takes all the food*
@@gavrochethenardier957-Damn it hawk!
1.5 / 0.5?
@@ManicMercurianAstrology nah..2.5/7.5
Sorry to be that guy this reply section is jokes
dude this videos editing and style is awesome and the video explains all these things extremely well. Enjoyed a lot, subbed
“Hey, you want to share that food? Sharing’s caring.”
“Sorry, I’ve already reached my caring capacity”
I see whatchu did there
*pulls out shotgun*
“Sharing is Carr.. Copystrike.”
Where out of patience too
noice
7:02 Oh hey it's the prisoner's dilemm- wait no.
12:30 There you are!
I watched this video hoping to get to variable strategies and metagaming but it seems like we'll be getting to those soon enough.
That's exactly what I thought lol Mistaking Prisoner's Dilemma with Nash Equilibrium.
Finally! I have been waiting all day for the glorious content
what’s interesting to me is that it seems the most beneficial to be all doves, but only if food is abundant. If food is abundant, then enough doves will have a chance of reproducing. However, the high levels of reproduction might outpace the amount of food, leading to aggression being the only way to survive and reproduce.
Definitely thought the 1 Dove around all the Hawks was going to die instantly...
Well, you could calculate the chances of the dove dying (or surviving) the first day:
If it meets a hawk, there's a 50% chance of it surviving.
If it doesn meet a hawk, theres a 100% chance of survival and reproducing
Now you have to add the chances of both situations happening.
Lets say there are 10 pairs of food, 9 hawks and 1 dove. and we'll assume everyone finds a pair of food.
All hawks have a 10% (1 of the 10 pairs of food has the dove) chance of going to the pair of food with the dove, 9 * 10% = 90%.
So theres a 10% chance the dove doesnt meet a hawk.
10% * 100% + 90% * 50% = 55% chance of survival.
And now without fixed numbers, but just some variables:
(gonna use numbers instead of percentages here)
survival = (1 - [#hawks] * 1 / [#food pairs]) * 1 + ([#hawks] * 1 / [#food pairs]) * .5
(if anyone finds any mistakes in my calculations, please lemme know)
_What am I doing with my life, its 00:30am, I should go to bed instead of watching random math videos_
Edit:
I forgot to include the fact that there cant be more than two creatures at one pair of food, which does influence the calculations a little.
i.e., 10 food pairs, 19 hawks, 1 dove.
theres a 100% chance that the dove will meet a hawk, because there are 20 spots where creatures can sit, which will all be taken, so there would be a 50% chance of survival. But with the formula I created it would be a 5% chance of survival, because according to the formula, there can be more than two creatures at one pair of food.
I'll try to include that in the formula tomorrow...
Alright, new day, new math
I think I got the right formula now
h = number of hawks
f = number of food pairs
d = chance of dying when meeting a hawk
survival = 1 - h / (2f-1) * d
example:
h = 3
f = 8
d = .5
survival = 1 - h / (2f-1) * d
= 1 - 3 / (2*8-1) * .5
= 1 - 3 / 15 * .5
= 1 - .2 * .5
= 1 - .1
= .9
= 90%
if anyone finds a mistake in my math, please lemme know
@@amber3650 Your 2f-1 term doesn't really make any sense to me. Perhaps there is some reasoning behind it that isn't totally off, but I calculated the answer and got a slightly different answer. Here's the idea:
Let's called p the probability that you meet a hawk. The chance of survival is 100% if you don't meet a hawk and 50% if you meet a hawk, or 1*(1-p)+.5*p. Let's try to calculate p.
Let's say there are f food pairs and h hawks (to keep consistent with your notation). Your food pair is fixed. There are (f choose h) ways to organize all the hawks, and (f-1 choose h) ways to organize all the hawks so that they aren't on your food pair. Thus, the chance that you don't meet a hawk is (f-1 choose h)/(f choose h), which if you do the algebra simplifies out to be (f-h)/f. This then means that the chance of meeting a hawk is h/f, or in your example 3/8.
So our total survival probability comes out to be (f-h)/f+.5*h/f=(2f-h)/2f, or 13/16=81.25% in your example
More generally, if your survival rate when meeting a hawk is s, then the probability of surviving the first day is (f+(s-1)h)/f.
Let me know if you have any questions.
EDIT: I goofed, correct formula should (hopefully) be below in my next comment.
@@amankarunakaran6346 Did you include the fact that there can only be zero, one or two creatures at one pair of food?
I tested your formula with the example 19h, 10f, 1d, and survival chance at meeting of 0.5.
The answer should be 0.5, because the dove will always meet a hawk, because there are 19 places where hawks can sit, and there are 19 hawks, and the chance of surviving is 0.5.
But your formula gave me the result 0.05.
In fact, everything with x food, and 2x-1 hawks and 1 dove, should result in 0.5. But your formula only does that with 1 food, 1 hawk and 1 dove, because then you are forcing the one hawk to meet the dove.
Does that logic make sense?
EDIT:
I just tested it with another example, 2f, 1h, 1d. And in that case your formula is correct (.75), and mine isn't (.83).
So it looks like we're both wrong...
@@amber3650 Ack, I missed the chance that two hawks can go to the same food pile, thanks for pointing that out.
So basically there are 2f locations to stand (2 for each food pile), and each hawk/dove can only stand at 1 location.
Then, the chance that you don't meet a hawk is (2f-2 choose h)/(2f-1 choose h)=(2f-1-h)/(2f-1), and the chance you meet a hawk is h/(2f-1) (I now see where you got it from). So the formula should come out to .5*h/(2f-1)+1*(2f-1-h)/(2f-1)
=(.5*h+1*(2f-1-h))/(2f-1)
=(2f-1-.5h)/(2f-1).
I think the mistake in your original formula was not including the probability that you don't meet a hawk as a coefficient to the 1.
Alright, I think this should actually be correct this time. Christ, and combo is supposed to be my good subject...
Doves: Share the food
Hawks: Have three fourths of the food
Seagulls: Takes all the food
MINE
MINE
MINE, MINE
MINE?
MINE
Owl:eats the other blobs
MINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINE
Apparently, there are seagulls in our world...
Mine mine mine minemine
"Simple blobs with no social structure"
I feel personally attacked.
Lmfaooo. So true.
Adam Dee gtfo
Adam Dee Oh no, you triggered the Queen Tribe, I'd suggest running.
Adam Dee yeah basically their like u
Adam Dee yeah they’re pretty much like gay people.
I was very inspired by your video! Thank you so much.
Blob - hey do you ever think we're in a simulation?
Other blob: nah that's stupid
Black mirror.
the Other blob it's sharper
Draiden
Don’t wanna be that person, but I’m 100th like
@@huskayaken8252 your the 100th person to like my comment. I'm gonna fly you down to Florida and interview for a talk show im hosting. Your not gonna gonna what it's called wanna be in it!?
Lol
Confucious once said:
“Before you embark on a journey of revenge, start by digging two graves.”
And even if you survive it's useless. In my country they've made quite stupid movie, part of serie. It was about guy being left by fiance because she preferred wealthier guy. So what her ex did? Found another girl? Nope. He sold all his stuff to get money and asked friend for help to pretend he won lottery or sth and is even more wealthy to stop her wedding, get her back and than, revealed that he's poor as hell ad left her. It was typical revenge. Guy just lost everything.Time, money, furniture... to make little, useless prank on his ex. Revenge is waste of time and sources.
Relevance?
Nemo TheEight If you’re alone you cant depend on others to make you happy, you must create that source of happiness.
In other words... make sure its fucking worth dieing over.
Confucious is also a dyed-in-the-wool conformist that looks at a poor person and is like "Well, better luck next time".
Doves: "Sharing is caring"
Hawk: *peace was never an option*
Me:yes but actually no
Hawk when it meets other hawk: THIS IS NOT OKIE DOKIE
Goose to the hawk peace was never an option is my thing hawk I have teeth on Tongue on my beak I can destroy your life hawk
shouldsuckmydick DonaldTrump lol I understood the reference! Yeh pretty much, can mutants and normal people live in peace together 😂
Doves: "Sharing is caring"
Hawks: *but I don't care*
Nice! its worth saying that a population of 50% hawks and 50% doves is equivalent to a population of individuals who play randomly play hawk and dove, each 50% of the time. The randomness qualification is important because, of course, knowing what your opponent will play changes what you should play.
what if you dont know what is opponent
"We end up in this tragic situation where everyone's fighting all the time, even though they would do better if they could just cooperate."
Humanity's past and present in a nutshell.
And future
What if there was a third?
Greed!
Basically greed will get 2 pieces of blob food and none for hawk or dove so basically the greed population will rise then once there is no doves or hawks to steal off of the greed will die!
So basically we will all die in the future after we finish recycling trash and putting plastic bottles in our trashcans, pollute the water, and die from being poor if we don't get a good job.
whoa, i thought the single added dove was gonna die immediately.
It could very well have it was quite lucky
It would have had a 1/4 chance of dying the first round but I agreed wit you ngl
I don’t understand. Where did that one dove get the reproduction possibility? If he only met with hawks, he could only have 50% chance of living, but no reproduction chance.
Bass Weapon facts
@@bassweapon if he landed on 2 uncontested green blobs. In this model if you get 2 green blobs u reproduce not if you meet another mate.
Blue: sharing is caring
Red: but I don’t care
it's a better move
But cruel
lol
@@slellyman.6700 not cruel, if everyone shared we wouldn’t have anything to take but if everyone takes we wouldn’t have anything to share. We need competitive Hawk like people and we also cooperative Dove like people. People think of the color red as bad but to me it’s the color of competition not hurting people just trying to be better.
Nice
It seems copied
It just takes ONE person to mess up a cooperation process. Good Work!
"adds dove"
"dove meets hawk on first round"
"Has 50% chance of survival"
"dies"
thats what I didn't get
didn't he say if they only get a half they can't reproduce
how can the only dove in a stack of hawks possibly reproduce then
edit: aight so the moment he explained the purple blobs it seems to be apparent that you somehow have a chance of reproducing even if you went home with only 1/2 food
would've been nice if he explained that more clearly at the start
@@JuliusBriggs, or he just could have gotten lucly and not met a hawk that round.
Banana Narwhals oh right cheers that makes sense
JMacCookie 100% Fruchtfleisch he explained it pretty clearly 😂
Ranora I just forgot that they can also encounter no one but I thought there’d be enough blobs so that everyone in the group would meet someone else
Banana narwhals already reminded me of it
Still waiting for the blue blob plush to hit the market
KSP4Kids I neeeeddd iiiiiiitttt
Will settle for my Earthy plush in the meantime. It is blue.
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Just one dove was able to change the whole game.
Perhaps a bit too deep
Be the dove bro, be the dove
It's also about chances, but yes
Exactly. That's the point I dont understand.when they meet hawk they get 1/4th of food. And how can they survive before they even start to reproduce. I mean did they escape so many times from hawk ? Or is it one of the multiple scenarios/universe we are talking about. If that's the case I can understand, but otherwise that should be one lucky dove.
@@ursyedis The population was kinda low with hawks only so the chance of getting to food alone were really good as this was also the only way hawks could survive, because for hawks only, they either reproduce or die, but they never "just survive"
The dove most likely didn't have to survive more than once (if at all) to get to reproduce and from that moment on it became easier and easier.
But yes, if the dove had been unlucky, it would have died on the first day and it would have been over for the doves. But like one of the past videos said, many things on evolution depend on chances. Obviously to prove a point the shown simulation was not taken from one of the unlucky dove versions.
This is one of the most interesting things I have ever watched on RUclips
"Because you're a smart human being" that's an overstatement
I like that I can actually watch thees videos on my limited internet thanks to the highly compressible file.
Cody!!
omg hi cody ily ily ilyyyyy
Hi cody make more vid pls
CODY-
barely any comments for a verified yter
Greed ruins all. Love conquers all.
3:43
"Now if we add a Dove to the mix, what do you think will happen?"
Dove meets Hawk on it's first day, only gets half food, then dies.
"uhh, let's try that again..."
Yea he totally should have done it more times
This is exactly what happened. The simulation was juked to show the case where that starter dove *didn't* die.
Yeah this experiment is fucked. The dove only has a half chance to die if it meets a hawk too.. But if two hawks meet they both die.
So naturally red will decrease and blue will always increase.
@@maxxiang8746 He probably did it more than once, and just threw out the times where the doves died out. because even if you have 4 doves, they'll probably all meet a hawk and still have a chance of going extinct on the same night
Smells of bias here. The hawk also has a very real chance of dying, the only case where a hawk added on the fourth day would not die individually is if they won the roll not to meet any other hawk. In the event where a hawk is in an environment with less food than competitors they will die more often after a certain threshold is met. That being that there is more than a 50% chance to meet a hawk on the first day, if that condition is met it is always better to be a dove on first day than a hawk.
Why I'm watching blue and red pears eating green circles
spheres*
peas
Shrek's ass*
Matthew Farrell i don't even know anymore!
Idk
Dove: Shares food
Hawk: Takes 3/4
Seagull: Takes all
Ibis: Takes all, munches it in front of you and spits it to the ground.
Wow I didn't know there was a bird that could be worse than a seagull.
@@TheChickenRiceBowl ruclips.net/video/mO-OpFjHRbE/видео.html
Bin chickens.
Human: Eats dove, hawk, and seagull...
if I was anyone of those I'm a ibis
This videos are super intersting. Thanks for making them keep them up.
3:44 The Dove just got lucky that it didn't starve on day 1 or 2, admit it.
ruclips.net/video/fhnDWYHnaMM/видео.html
@MegaFelicks The doves are gambling every single day that they live
I'm sure he took the simulation where that didnt happen ;)
Also the math is in the doves favour, slightly, for it to survive the first day.
@@CongaYT you also have to remember, they chose a random food (it seemed like there was a limiter of most 2 per pair of foods) and with the hawk population being so low compared to the plateau of doves.. they werent eating every food available each day, a lot of it went to waste..
to express this as numbers (definitely not accurate numbers, but enough so that you get the trend) lets say there are 100 hawks, and 100 food pairs (200 individual foods) because they chose food at random, you can expect 1/2 of them to go uncontested and get 2 foods, and the other 1/2 will contest each other over the same food.. so that leaves 50 hawks eating 50 pairs (100 foods) by themselves, then the other 50 hawks contest 25 pairs (50 foods) leaving 25 pairs of foods to go to waste.. now add that 1 dove, and it has 25 food pairs locked up that it cant go to (because theres 2 hawks at it) 50 food pairs that it will have a 50% chance of survival at, and 25 pairs that it has a 100% chance of survival (and reproduction) so in essence, it has a 1/3 chance to definitely live and reproduce, and a 2/3 (66%) chance to be contested, and of that a 50% chance to survive, so only a 33% chance to die. while it would be unlucky for it to die on the first or second night, it wouldnt be expected.. and once it reproduced, even just 1 time, the survival of the species as a whole increases each day until equilibrium.
obviously those calculations are assumed that the hawks random choice goes 50/50 between being contested or uncontested.. but even at the absolute worst case scenario, that all 100 hawks each go to their own food pair and our dove is forced into a 50/50 for survival, it has that 50% chance to survive, and if it manages to survive the next day (another 50% battle, for 25% cumulative chance) then its survival would be nearly guaranteed as well, because by the end of the second day, 198 hawks would kill each other, and there would be just 1 hawk and 1 dove remaining (would actually be 99.5%.. 1% chance to be contested, and a .5% chance to starve from being contested)
((also note for this worst case, the hawk that contested the dove night 1 didnt reproduce, otherwise there would be 1 creature that didnt get to go after any food pill, or would be forced to add in a 3 way split etc.. so just removed that for simplification))
Ya I like to think of it as extinction of species that could work but just got unlucky.
For example dinosaurs were the champions of the world before a big rock randomly came and yeeted their success into the ground.
In that Dove's case he just got lucky that the rock's yeet dice landed on a 41.
Conga So are the hawks
Choosing Hawk/Hawk strategy basically means you're saying "If I have a 50% chance of dying, why don't I make it 100% and take you with me."
Lo l
"if it's just 50% of ME dying.. then why not increase it for both of us?"
Think of the other way, if your gonna act like hawk against hawk, you will just have a survival rate of 0%.
@@nayankumarbarwa4317 and?
Lel
Everybody gangsta, watching video, until the math part starts kicking in
Everybody gangsta till you tell them that all they had to do was follow the damn train.
Choc Chip "CJ!"
Come on, it's not hard math. Well, depends how old you are and what grade you go in.
Everybody gangsta till you have to understand basic fractions
Oh god oh fuck he's talking about decimals now I take it back
I’ve seen this video pop up in my recommended for years and I only decided to watch it now
Great video
What happens if we add a “vulture”, that when it finds any kind of conflict wether it be dove or hawk, it will go to another random pile, repeating a few times, then going home with what it has? (Just a conflict avoider)
And its purple
Ethy Do the “vulture” blobs eat dead blobs?
I guess that's why they're lean😂
A Conflict Avoider Blob would be cool.
I think they will disappear as soon as the carrying capacity will be reached, because there will be nowhere to go.
This also simulates what happens when a mean person meets a group of nice people, it messes it up badly
İ think you didn't understand the video. With hawks, population increased more, so hawk is necessary evil
@@mertserimer6928 where exactly in the video did the introduction of hawks cause the population to increase?
Nash equilibrium part
@@mertserimer6928 really？I don’t find it, but I have the evidence that w bad guy messes up all shit 2:39
@@mertserimer6928 Are you sure about that? @2:35
I can’t believe this guy invented the Hunger Games 🔥👌🏻
Boo Bella I love it
Joypad gaming 3rd comment(I know...)
Yup Literally 😂😂😂
Whuut,??
Really he did?
Omg your voice is so calming to me, like so close to understanding other language even if I’m not native
Seriously, studying economics in my masters and game theory in detail for several years now, PROPS for this fast and well understandable insight into game theoretical analysis. Explanations and calculations were nicely done and on top niveau where some profs could learn from!
Your hurting my brain
@@thejuan9053 Hm?
@@ellojayar what
@@thejuan9053 what Does hurt you? Pls elaborate on this,sir
@@ellojayar hum last time I'm do this but I'm trying to make a joke but did not work well soooooooo😐😐😐😐😀
when the RUclips algorithm shows us something that isn’t years old
Ikr
Indeed
What does he use to make these simulations?
itskatea The 2024 people will be here soon don’t worry
Bro this video has a 2013 RUclips vibe tho, It's like the video where they turn the sphere inside out
Imagine when he added that one dove and this happens:
Dove meets hawk on first day and 50% chance of death happens immediately
Lol. so true.
Cain and Abel?
Oh I just said the same thing I didn’t realize you said this oops!
Probably that happened but not showed it
It likely did.
I randomly ended up here but holy cow, this was Super interesting! Very very nice
Doves: “Hey let’s share and live peacefully”
Hawk: *PEACE WAS NEVER AN OPTION*
Ibrahim Barham HAHA OMG
HAHA THAT'S SO FUNNY AND LITERALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING HAHA
Only retards thank people for likes
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@@FrozenCascade HAHA I DON'T GET IT AND ITS NOT FUNNY IF YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT HAHA
Hawks lives matter
Doves: sharing is caring
Hawks: splish splash your opinion is trash
Damn copied
@@chrissizemore1772 who cares lol
@@chrissizemore1772 Who says its copied? There is a similar comment but its not the same as others it could be inspired by the comment you think its copied from but it's not it's just used for inspiration. Sorry but I hate it when people say a comment is copied while really, it only has some similarities cause let me remind you 13 thousand people commented so far and you think all of those comments are different? once again sorry but it just annoys me so much to see people do this stuff and then again there is a chance this is copied but then changed a bit still that does not mean its copied, it's inspired by.
more like hipity hopity your food is now my property
So fucking cringe
Me at 3 AM:
RUclips: Wanna simulate the evolution of aggresion?
Yes
Yes
2:35am for me...
Its 2:09 for me and I said "why not"
Bout to be 4 😛
Very interesting and all.... Lovely idea (or is it Dovely?) and presentation too.... But one additional thing that would be great to model / simulate would be the age progression of the doves and Hawks....
The model in video only looks at sizes of populations surviving but not longevity or 'average age of survival' which is a big factor in behavioural evolution. So on each case there is an equilibrium between dove and hawk population but if numbers can be assigned to how many days they are surviving, it would give an idea about which species is losing more in the interactions.... As in real life, only adults can hunt and reproduce....
I think it's so fascinating to see on one hand how nearly everything can be "explained" with math but on the other hand eventually, in this example, the mathmatics become "almost" too complex because nature is just such a huge ecological and fascinating evironment.
i think literally everything can be explained with math, like, even emotions
@@lotion5096 you should look into symbolic logic. My professor would hate when I said this, but its largely breaking language barriers down and representing any sort of statement as a mathematical equation and you basically turn anything into a math equation of sorts. You should check it out!
@@shamfyre sounds interesting, definitely gonna check it out later, thanks for telling me about this!
Dont Read My Name
@@WiseMysticalTree4 get out bot
Dove: *Chillin'*
Hawk: *_"Peace was never an option."_*
That pp is cursed.
Dove: just standing there.
Hawk: ...and I took that personally.
Meme reference!
se você está lendo isso vocé é um idiota! 😊😋
PIECE
hehe get it?
@@rascal2524 *_Mihawk Reference?_*
“The world suffers a lot. Not because the violence of bad people. But because of the silence of the good people.”
-Napoleon
David Caduyac
The BIBLE said that thousands of years before:
1 James,chapter 4,verse 17
You need to stop playing CoD
Napoleon, known philanthropist
@@saymyname2618 wow who memories the bible, damn! Sad...
Quoted
Hawk: Give me that food!
Dove: Okay. 1:35
I tried this with actually doves and hawks in a circle
It did not end well
oh shit
...
LOL
Xap Ete oh
Well then
@@hollowan2239 the joke is that op put literal doves and hawks in a circle and something bad obviously happened
I would buy a Blob plushie, these little guys are WAYYY too cute!
EDIT: WOAH THIS COMMENT EXPLODED!
I agree!
I would pay for that :D
How to make one
1. Get soft squishy pillow
2. Give pillow red or blue pillowcase
3. Stick eyes on it
4. You now have a big blob plush
Yeah like those Yogi seat things but shaped like these blobs
Ew, a hyper consumerist.
bro it started as “these blobs need to eat food” and it ended as “if you look on the graph the equilibrium is displayed as an outcome of continuous controlling continuing extinction.” Like WAT
Not meant for babies
Riz Rishi Sahu my comment wasnt meant for people who dont know sarcasm
@@thatkoreankid3663 so out of 7400000 people 37 are sarcasm experts like u... Congratulations
Riz Rishi Sahu if u really think ur that smart you should put into consideration, how many people actually like comments, how many people actually saw my comment, and how many people saw the video after i had posted the comment lol. idk if you noticed but out of all the people who saw the comment, at least 37, they at least understood the sarcasm lol. congrats 😂
Riz Rishi Sahu u really didnt understand 😂 it was so stupid i thought u were also being sarcastic
i have watched this video several times throughout my life and it always finds a way back to my fyp for me too watch fully again 😂
Blue: You want one?
Red: spits on both of them.
School cafeteria logic
Yes
The blue ones are called doves and the red ones are called hawks
@@TheTaqiadeen we know mr smart guy
@@TheTaqiadeen هاي صعب تحصل سعودي
Me when my sibling want me to share: dove
My sibling when i want him to share : hawk
Hawk is my sis, Dove is me :')
same T^T
@@vagabonder02 same
It’s fun being a hawk
@@vagabonder02 same lol
Taking a moment to appreciate that the Hawks didn't just turn red, but got the most disinterested and mildly annoyed expression a blob could have.
Thats a good point
THIS IS TRASH MY CONTENT IS BETTER!!!!
Why you half to be mad? Its only simulation.
Game theory mat pat
😂
The choice between "share" and "take" depends on the context:
- **Share:** To distribute or give a portion of something to others, often implying generosity or collaboration. For example, you might share your lunch with a friend or share information in a group setting.
- **Take:** To acquire or obtain something for oneself, often implying ownership or consumption. For example, you might take a book from a shelf or take a break from work.
In general, "share" focuses on giving or distributing, while "take" focuses on acquiring or receiving.
Hawks: How are you still alive?
Doves: My death was.. greatly exaggerated.
I understood that reference
@@sho6413 Tombstone, right?
@@giphe Megamind
@@sho6413 oh
@@sho6413 Nah, clearly Invincible
Those blobs wiggling their arms is so adorable. :3
Ikr
I LAUGH AT THERE SILLY ARMS MUAHAHA
"You might want to pause the video to do the math yourself"
Jesus christ, you must be even higher than I am
Brilliant
Thought the same bro
Never related so hard
I truly paused the video and did the math...
@@diesechl4415 and I was truly high
Man, this guy knows how to make math kinda fun. Out of school already and this guy makes me wonder why my teachers couldn't get my attention like this.
I understood almost none of this but I still feel smarter for listening
You can learn more on game theory in microeconomics textbooks, you'll learn the basic definitions and how equilibriums work instead of starting off with multiple transactions like in the video.
If you really want to hack at it, read the whole microeconomics textbook and you'll understand why in the real world there aren't any doves and they're all hawks lol.
@@jaimecastillo8716 you just spat extremely complicated words at idiots like us :)
Did you pay attention?
lol me 2
@@PotatoChips-jy9pk I hate this question
Blue: sharing is caring!
Red: *PEACE WAS NEVER AN OPTION*
Purple: "Reality can be whatever I want"
If I don’t care I don’t have to share
*Insert political joke*
You stole that comment. I read the same one right below, which was posted a year ago
Ashura Nero lol you can thinkk whatever you want to think but im just telling you i didnt steal this. Like i legit didnt steal this but anyways im not even making money or anything out of this so why would you need to care
*DOVE VS HAWK*
Dove: "Sharing is caring"
Hawk: "Communist detected on American soil. Lethal force engaged!"
*HAWK VS HAWK*
Both hawks: "Death is a preferable alternative to communism."
There are no Hawks. Only Vultures that pretend to be Hawks so Doves will pair with them rather than exclusively with other Doves. Because if Doves select food groups by first occupying only *uncontested* food blobs, then when all uncontested slots are filled, only forming Dove-Dove pairs, abandoning a food cluster if the second slot is contested by a non-Dove to join an already half occupied Dove cluster. Vultures die off rapidly when those basic selection conditions are fulfilled.
But thats the wonderful power of free will. It means that evil only exists because we permit it by continued association.
*DOVE VS DOVE*Soyuz nerushymyi, respublik svobodnykh...
Communism would be different. There would be one blob stealing everybody's food, keeping most of it for itself, some of it for its friends, and the rest would be distributed somewhat equally among the others blobs, but it would be so little that half of the blobs would be dead by the next generation.
@@porkypig7170 I would've wrote "socialism" but then it wouldn't've been a Fallout: New Vegas reference.
hello guys im a mosquito I never played Fallout New Vegas so the reference went right over my head...
Thanks for the Korean sub.
This topic is very interesting and also fascinating. Love your video ! From south korea 😀
I swear if there was a software to simulate all this, I'd play with it all day.
@oH well,lord! Is there a way to get the script runner for free?
This video is basically the definition of the phrase _Peace never was a option._
peace is the best option, the problem is getting idiots to understand it.
Plus this video is wrong, it drips with errors in reasoning, peace is not only the best option, it is the only option.
we are just the latest state of a constant chain of reaction, peace and love is that reaction, it is movement, once we stop, the reaction stops, we turn into stone and crumble apart.
Peace is the strongest fortress ever built.
@@vividbunny7194 love how you say that 'cause you're a human. This video has nothing to do with that. It shows us one of the many ways nature works.
@@vividbunny7194 Hey hey my english is bad i using google tranlastor to creat this coment :D
who invented the definition of good and bad, humans survived by doing "evil" by killing animals to eat, if we stopped killing animals to eat and just ate the plants, the soil would be bad, making it difficult to plant and kill plants and kill humans are literally a necessary evil
@@juanjoselopezhernandez6841 Humans are nature
If this guy was my teacher. My life would be different.
Ikr
I would legitimately fail every test
Siickroze id fail every test just so I can be kept back a grade so I can listen to him more
I recommend having a grammar teacher first.
@@goosequillian His grammar was fine, you're talking about his error in punctuation
The reference to Beautiful Minds, a story about Nash is crazy.
the dove coulda died first day in the group of hawks. it was only chance it didn't.
I was thinking the same
Indeed
Yes in this sample size. But if the simulation was run with a higher population size, like in the end where he said it wasnt possible to animate that much, one dove at least would've certainly survived and reproduced itself. That's why this one dove survived with certainty. It would eventually happen in one of those sample sizes and that was shown.
@@Phtevenx3 still, doesn't change the fact that doves are fundamentally at a disadvantage
@@AbhishekKashyap-gb7jo wasn't even my point. Also didn't come up in the original comment
Dove: “Peace and love”
Hawk: “ So anyway I started blastin”
@national socialiser Peaceful does not mean weak.
@national socialiser many animals are polyamorous, some eat their mates, others will kill their children if they start to compete with them for leadership of the group, and very few animals grieve for dead family or mates if they were monogamous.
In many ways humans are much more kinder than animals, only we perceive ourselves as worse because we have a better understanding of right and wrong then animals do - but we only have that "understanding" because of our peaceful nature in the first place. "Right" and "wrong" is a human concept. Animals just do what is best for them. Humans have this concept so that we can get along - our entire nature is a desire to fit in and be loved and get along because that is the survival strategy humans chose many many many eras ago. We want to a belong to a community and we are willing to die for that community so that the group may live on - this is why humans are described as social beings.
@national socialiser yes, that's what I said, I was replying to your statement that animals don't betray their families and are more accepting than humans among other things that were listed to portray animals as more "righteous" than humans.
These actions are not "righteous" whether these actions were based on feelings or not.
Humans are animals... 😂
@national socialiser Yes I know this, it is true, but we are still just a species amongst other animals.
doves: “sharing is caring”
hawks: sounds like communist propaganda to me but ok
Hi Dio Brando
DIO!
@@atasmaniandevilwithaphone5514 Dio*
@@nukenier-4836 Sir, it was Dio Brando but from part 3 on it's DIO
@@nukenier-4836 also r/woooosh
A group of people working together will generally beat a group of people competing with each other. Thus, there is even cooperation in the midst of competition.
That one dove who thrive had a 50% chance of having died, everything could have ended there
That's what I was thinking. Just imagine! I almost laughed
The % is much much lower since you have to bring into account the % of running into a hawk
@@TheHoboTraveller no, because either he runs into a hawk and has a 50% chance of surviving, or he doesn't run into a hawk and gets 2 pieces, not just ensuring survival, but reproduction. So depending on the number of hawks vs food, the dove either has 50% of surviving or more, never less.
@@MDP1702 i regret to inform you that you are arguing the same point as the person you are arguing with. choshen was arguing you have a much less % chance of dying, while you were arguing you had a much higher % of surviving. note that OP said died, you said surviving
@@ciarangale4738 now I see :p, misinterpreted that
Honestly love the slow addition of complexity to your simulations, eventually you could turn this series to explain some fairly complex topics, given people would give it the time to watch from the beginning.
Also funny story, apparently one of my friends who is in college have had their profs use one of your videos in their class.
Wat
(I do understand your bombastic phraseology)
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@@jamescook7525 Here, have one from me too :).
primer: lets add a dove to the group of hawks and see what happens
me: it'll die
a bunch of them: lived
me: oh
In half of the simulations, it will die though.
@@leadnitrate2194 oh ok
@@leadnitrate2194 Less than half, because there's always a chance it will pick an unoccupied pair and go home guaranteed to survive and reproduce.
@@The24Hiya ah thanks.. didn't consider that
Dove wont die because regardless if it meets hawk itll still have 50% chance and its slim chance it meets hawk everytime
I remember watching this video like 2 years ago and it came up again
Yo, I just found this dude yesterday, and he's already becoming one of my favorites. It takes a lot of knowledge, skill, and work to visualize and explain laws of nature and science, and this guy does it in perhaps the best way to date
Perhaps, but man, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson completely dissects it in his "Personality Lecture Series."
@@okumhlophe I gotta watch that too
@@TheOneTrueNeravarOfOoo Shameless plug.
Pear-like thing: *Why do I hear boss music*
*ahem*
*puts on monocle*
...Blob...
LMAO
"Pear like thing"
I don't know the name what do you even expect from a guy named buckaroo man
@@the-hd5cx he called them blobs a thousand times in this video...
Skinny buggo Did you just assume my gender
Dove:*is nice to hawk*
Hawk: *IS THIS LIKE A PERSONAL ATTACK OR SOMETHING?*
😂😂😂😂😂
This sounds familiar... (Deku and Bakugou)
@@Kai-fe4kd Yesn't. I got u, bnha is awesome, but it's more of a Brie Larson reference.
@@procrastinatorqueen imagine calling memes references
Any pvp game in a nutshell
ive seen this a ton of times but i can always watch it to the end
I saw the thumbnail, I saw something cute, I clicked.
And that's how life goes for me on RUclips.
I'm a simple person...I see something cute, I click on it.
did we ask?
@@SebzZome Did I ask for your comment?
*No*
*But here you are.*
@@aar3782 roasted
Amen