lets just take a moment to pay some respect to Dennis who clearly was happy to learn from his earlier errors and who better to learn from all hail the mighty Roman big respect to both of you
Compared to the prior version, that is an EXTREMELY impressive change. The case is out of my price range but its nowhere near as absurd as the original version. I'd absolutely use this with almost no complaints.
I think the fact that Regner sent you both versions of their case, was the best way they could fix the design issues. It seems like they really listened to your input regarding what did not work on the earlier model. This looks 100 times better as far as functional design goes.
I would think powder coating the case would be a better option for durability, and hiding an imperfect surface quality. It might not be shiny, but I think a matte look would still be pretty nice.
Case is still expensive, but if it comes with well over $1000 of cooling components it starts to be SLIGHTLY more reasonable. The design is good, I really like the radiator setup. Being a DIY type person though it makes me want to build my own case to have something as custom.
@@crisnmaryfam7344 yeah but you'd be dealing with mixed metal loops since those radiators are going to be aluminum. You could see about in dash heater cores though since many of those are copper. Go one step further and pull them yourself at a salvage yard.
@@admiralbosch2851 I could see those side panels (or something similar) being sold as addons with custom brackets for the more popular cases to replace side panel. Wouldn't be very difficult to make a radiator/fan setup with filters and then have mounting brackets they fit on. Each of those panels has ~50% more radiator surface area than my 3 rad setup. It could be a cool simple solution. Though a 400mmx400mm rad setup might be too big for many cases (such as mine) so a smaller 280mmx280mm one might also be great.
@@JohnA... Would think rather than sell the side panels, allow us to order the case with only the rear rad panel and have the front be tempered glass on a hinge, for more consumer friendly/budget option builds that want out of the box water cooling capability in a case. Would be a good option to allow the concept to remain the same, and allow for more customers to try to product by lowering the cost if one was to order a single rad panel case.
I misread the thumbnail, thinking it was 220 €. That seemed like a fair price for such a cool looking case... but when Roman made it clear that there was an extra zero I had missed, my head nearly exploded! 🤯 But by the end of the video I was totally won over. This has officially become my endgame case ❤
While this is still insanely expensive, this time it does feel like a super high end item for the ultra enthusiasts, the performance is there. I do think an easy area for improvement is to go for better dust filters, the current ones seem to be the older kind that restrict airflow a lot but newer ones that you see in the more premium cases like the Torrent line are much better
Dust filters on exhaust fans are a mistake. Also, why do the case manufacturers think that the front panel belongs on the top? A vertical mounting is more convenient and dust wouldn't settle into the plugs.
24:54 Dust filters are a must have if you live in dry dusty environments. Pop them out and give them a clean every 1-2 weeks is vastly superior to cleaning the whole PC every 2-4 weeks. That allows you to have the ~6 month whole system cleaning cycle by having a 5 minute remove, shake off outside, and wipe down filters cycle every week or two. 10-20 minutes spread over a month is better than an hour or more monthly. Not needed for you but you don't live in Arizona or Israel.
Impressive case, massive respect to Dennis 👍🏽👍🏽 for listening to feedback and acting on them. In regards to additional testing, would love to see how the 7950X performs in this case.
@@evigklytteren A good pump will do you for that much rad and a single CPU/GPU combo, though a second pump would be lovely for redundancy. Looks like there's enough space in the case to add that if you need it though!
@@technicalfool I would want to run the CPU and GPU to separate loops with the size of those radiators. Keeping the heat separate would help with the temps of whichever your downstream component is.
@@DigitalJedi Definitely an option, though it also would make an expensive build even more expensive. Guess it depends on the build. One CPU and 1-2 GPUs, probably better as a single loop. Double socket insanity, yeah I'd probably want one of those MoRAs just for the CPU side of things!
From ugly duck to a beautiful swan it seems . Hence it's obviously a product for hyper-enthusiasts or ultra-professionals I loved it a whole lotta. Kudos on the producer to have remade the case over Roman's suggestions.
For a personal home use rig it would probably be out of my price range. But if you were putting some High end workstation rigs together for a Bussiness where you needed this kind of super reliable quiet cooling , minimum dust issues , Quiet work space with no distracting flashy bs then this seems like a really easy solution, They should add a rugged paint option for Bussiness's.
That's very impressive cooling performance. I can see this being popular with Threadripper or systems that use XL-ATX motherboards as it has the space for those and could be used through a number of upgrades so should last several years. I think a less fine mesh would be a good compromise between dust and airflow. It looked like the mesh strips for the PCIE slots was less fine.
@@Deses Popular amongst threadripper and other HEDT/workstation-type builds. It's really not that bad for that amount of cooling loop, if they can get their custom paint jobs up to top notch quality to match.
This looks amazing for a money-is-no-object near-silent build of a top tier gaming system that also looks slick. I would have absolutely loved to see comparative results with the mesh filters removed (at least from the airflow paths for the main radiators) but I can understand why Regner didn't want you to make changes to his prototype! Maybe he can send you a final one to really tear apart once they're in full production.
I'm a huge fan (excuse the pun) of dust filters. I have a BeQuiet case, I have just swapped my 3080 for a 4090, and even after 18 months use the 3080 looks pretty much like it did when I stuck it in there, whereas with other cases, the GPU will be clogged with dust after just 3 months. It's also hecka dusty in our flat, and the filters in the case do a great job.
I don't mind using dust filters if they are the kind that just slide out so you can rinse them in the sink...I bought a fractal meshify s2 case once and it had foam dust filters in between the plastic and the outer metal mesh! They were a nightmare to get clean after a few months...I just switched to a water cooled open air bench, and I just hit it with the swiffer duster and micro fiber cloth once a week and it's great!
@@brucepreston3927 Yeah I'm the same, the case I have you can pull the filters out. I'll normally hit them with our Dyson reachable vacuum when I have cleaning around my desk, and run them under the tap ever couple of months.
Both you and Dennis shine in this video demonstrating both your skills of engineering and testing hardware. Very nicely done by Dennis for a 6K over ambient with power draw >500W!
1:05 I understand this is just a promo shot - but I can’t help but laugh seeing that 24pin ATX cable so perfectly sandwiched between the heatsink and intake fan. Extremely innovative implementation of “cooling zones” 😂
Yeah ... stunning visual, and an engineering marvel. I wouldn't have room for something like that in my tiny office on my tiny desk, but nonetheless an incredible product. Congrats to all involved!!
What a quality peice of engineering. If I needed the cooling requirements for an ultra high end desktop I'd be very inclined to spend the money on this case. I've done a few custom loop systems before and this case would be a decision of "do I spend the extra $1000, knowing that I'm paying for the easy integration and convinience, with pre tested quality parts or do I absorb the time and headache to save a $1000". Super impressed with that case. I can see the quality engineering that went into it. Can't wait to see the progress of it in future, who knows maybe on the next pc I build if I go super high end I may be in the market for it.
1. I see no issue with painting, it's just a... more industrial style bonus. 2. Very good water cooling performance from what Roman shown us. 3. No RGB components needed which is brilliant! 4. "Made in Germany".
An amazing piece of engineering. The price is high and well above the level that can be justified by the vast majority of users, but if you can afford if you get what you pay for. I also agree about the filters but at this price point it should have a system of being able to easily remove the filter frames for cleaning. This should have been part of the design from the start.
Wow. Credit to Regner for not only listening to the criticisms and making outstanding changes and a superb quality product. I still don't see a real use for such a monster, but if you do, then this is it. And if he responds to ALL customer feedback in a similar way, then this is definitely a "creme de la creme" product, and company.
Dust filters are not only for dust, but also block some frequencies. If there are no fans in proximity (increased noise) then they actually reduce noise.
I would probably flip the fans on the left side panel so that they suck air into the case through the radiator. The current setup has 8 big, low-RPM, low-pressure fans all trying to suck air from inside of the case. That creates a negative pressure system inside the case which has 0 intake fans to help the big, low-pressure fans to get air in to the case. The four fans working as intakes would also provide some more airflow for cooling the RAM and other components on the motherboard. A friend of mine built a watercooled system with big radiators at the top and bottom of an O11D XL with a distro plate covering the side fan slots. He originally had all his radiator fans blowing air out of the case through the bottom and top panels, which caused high temperatures everywhere because the fans were all fighting to get some air and there were no fans working as intakes. I told him to flip the fans on his bottom radiator to work as air intakes and his temperatures improved drastically.
Regarding dust “filters.” First, I have yet to see a screen on a commercial computer case that I would consider a filter. Second, and more importantly, Restriction of airflow is primarily a function of open area. Open area should be a readily obtainable value or for any screen. Regardless of how small the openings are, the key value is the open area. An empirical example: I use 120 mesh (120 wires per inch; 4.724 wires per mm) stainless steel screen, that I customized on several cases and have not observed airflow problems. Yes, they require more frequent maintenance, because the dust accumulates faster than on more coarse openings. The downside of such fine stainless steel screen is that RGB is harder to see. So difficult to balance important characteristics…form or function?
These plastic dustfilters are terrible , on the other hand : nylon filters (just to name a few : Silverstone / TT / Demciflex / Aliexpress food mesh filter < yes pretty good for PC) are pretty free flow ,still catch a lot of dust .
For this kind of money I would like to show it off some. But for this design I would like to see the side panels hinge odd the back panel. This would help in holding the rads in their operating position while providing access to maintain the loop and the PC hardware. It would also allow the user to show it and the fancy hardware off.
@@Starfishtroopers I mean, it has a handle, kek. I am tall and kinda fit, but I would still call a friend to help me move that to my car when I go to any event.
Great improvement. Looks like a cool premium product. 1. For the price I'd prefer paint to be covered with lacquer. 2. The screws on the sides should also be painted, or at least be black to match the colour scheme. 3. The handles look to thin and under designed. They need more work. 4. Add a Chromax Noctua fan in the rear of the case.
This might go on my bucket list for the "I won the lottery PC" I don't know how I would like living with it long term but this looks absolutely amazing
We're house hunting. That case is big enough for us to live in. Thanks! If we can find a big enough crane (and plot of land), we can have it lifted onto that property.
If it is a low production thing, they could offer a configurator where you could choose between different mesh materials (or none), like the custom paint job.
I would love this case with the back panel being made with the radiator and other side with glass, would look amazing and still be enough cooling to handle spu/gpu..
Honestly, this is not too bad considering what you get for the price(still slightly on the more expensive side). Also, no option for wheels? I don't want to think about how heavy that is, considering how heavy my fully loaded O11XL is. Great video!
Apparently, there is a HS (high speed) version of this Noctua fan available to OEM's, optimised for radiators and not available to the general public. He should use those if able. I would reccomend changing that filter material out for ultra fine nylon mesh like demciflex use.
well Noctua does sell a range than goes 1000-1500 rpm faster than regular fans at 1500 - 2000 rpm +/- 10% , also differently pitched blades for radiators vs fin stacks. I believe the low pitch were shown.Otherwise Delta server style. XD
@@tobiwonkanogy2975 for the longest time they didnt. they only offered the "better" fans when sold onto thier coolers. i think it was only recently with the chromax max versions is where you would find the equivalent "heatsink" fans... at least its true regarding the 92x14mm fans
that is just the most ridiculous case and i love it . Great to see a company take on board your suggestions in how to improve the design.. And 2000 euros for quality German engineering is more than a fair price. When you consider what you get. great content as always Roman
armchair engineer oppinion, I would configure the fans to suck the air from the outside in so the mesh filters are the first thing air passes trough not the last to make cleaning so much easier as with the fans in the video, I feel like youd have to take apart the whole side panel to clean out the filter as opposed to just wiping the side panels down with the pull fans
Given that custom LC can cost WAY more than actual hardware it's cooling (especially if it's themed build), price is acceptable - it's comparable to InWin products, which are also super niche. It also has a potential to attract some boutique workstation builders, as all-in-one solution for high-end in office machines - with exception of case feet, where casters would be much more appropriate. It would be interesting to see if the case can handle eight 15mm U.2 drives, without thermal throttling them.
Sweet, but I like to see the tubes and water blocks. How about a cube shaped case with the mainboard horizontal, above the PSU, radiator(s), and pump/res?
Nice to see turnaround like that, first one felt like scam, this one is good. I think he seriously need to improve one glaring issue. Those carry handles need to be round pipes at least. With all this weight i can't imagine how painful it has to be to grab onto flat metal sheet.
I accept a few degrees increase in heat for the advantage of much less dust. I use Demciflex fine-mesh filters (imported from South Africa where they are manufactured) for my old Corsair 400D case, they manufacture kits for certain cases with magnetic attachments which work great. You have to set up your airflow to compensate for the change in static pressure, but I would never run without dust filters. It makes for less maintenance and cleaning of heatsinks and radiators, and helps prevent build-up in corners of your case which are hard to reach. It also prevents you from trying to vacuum out the case and risk damage from excessive static produced b y household vacuum cleaners. (If you're going to vac your PC, buy an "ESD vacuum".) This case really does seem like the "I've bought the top of the line everything" case for the extrovert LAN-goer or mid-life crisis gamer. And weirdly given the cost, it still looks like a prototype with a back-yard rattle can paintjob. I'd expect anodised or powder coated.
Incredible attention to detail and fantastic design. Having radiators built-in to the case is not something I've seen before. Unique and highly performant. Paint is very difficult to get right. To me, that surface looks powdercoated. Powdercoat is an incredibly durable finish, and looks best in a matte or dull semi-gloss. It would require quite a bit of either 1) hours of hand finish or 2) years of powdercoat experience. Hoping that they can improve their parts wash, spray patterns, spray density, baking process, and final touchup to make an excellent finish at the same price point. Not sure if this would ever be seen, but for some extra cost... Powdercoat priming can provide a quick and dirty way to make a smoother finish.
I haven't used a single dustfilter in my systems for the past 25 years, because I work on my systems at least twice a year for upgrades and made a habit out of cleaning my systems every 3ish months. I found out way back that dust filters may stop some dust from getting inside you system, but in return, you have performance degradation of your cooling over time when the dustfilters start clogging up. Instead of using them, I select my cases for ease of access to the inside and airflow. Through the years, as airflow in cases has vastly improved, the amount of dust I find in my cases has declined to near nothingness. Good airflow in cases makes it so that most all dust that gets sucked it also gets ejected from the case. There's a case to be made it's better to have your dustfilters clog up than having your GPU HSF clog up over time, but it's actually far easier to take out your GPU and clean it than to try and declog large surface areas of dustfilters. First thing I'd do if I ever bought this case would be to remove all the dust filters. Or order it with a request not to install them to begin with.
As a dog owner in a dusty northern alberta farming town i disagree with you re dust filters. I clean mine ever 1-2 months. Its far easier too clean a dust filter than it is too disassemble and clean a water cooling loop with radiators and fans etc. Beautiful case. I wonder if more flow would help those cpu temps.
Functionally this is far better than the previous case. I still cannot see much of a use case for it, especially considering the price point. It is more of a "because I can" item. They really need to improve the paint quality for the retail model though. The black gloss is covered in orange peel and you can see scratches and buff marks on the side panels. For the cost of this case, the finishing of every single component needs to be faultless. Those panels need multiple coats of paint with each coat being flatted off individually by hand, before lacquer. A 2 grand + case needs to not have the paint job of some bargain bin chinesium part.
I'm shocked that single D5 pump was able to push through both those huge rads. I bet a part of that is contributing to you having difficulties getting bubbles out of the loop but then again the temperatures spoke for themselves.
While the price is way too much for us mere mortals, I do like the idea of radiators using multiple 200mm fans rather than a heap of 120s. A more modestly specced case based around a 2x200mm AIO cooler would be amazing.
I wonder if there are similarly overkill cases, but for air cooling. Also maybe it's just me but would have loved to see how the CPU behaved on max fan speeds, if the temperatures were still that high or if the multithreading score was higher with that much cooling
mr Regner could sell this case with just one side panel too… And maybe just a stand-alone side panel with feet’s so to have a better looking Mo-Ra. Should be easy enough with no retooling
Cool to see something like that actually work now but ever since I built my main PC on a Praxis Wetbench the thought of building a computer in a case is so unappealing. I have to blow the dust off it more but I can easily do maintenance on it, easier to swap a part out and it is great for custom liquid cooling. I don't run into any compatibility issues with height or length of components and there is plenty of room in the bottom of it to group together all the wires, I just can't go back to a case and deal with all those annoying and various compromises.
Pretty cool concept. I really don't like the handles at the top. I love the integrated radiator but when you spend this much money on a PC you wanna should off your build. So he should definitely make a version with a window and a integrated distro plate and have the hidden radiator just in the rear panel.
DDR5 RAM requires a sufficient airflow over it if you want to run it stable at some higher XMP profiles (7200+) and i'm not sure how good/bad those 4x200mm fans at providing that in a negative air pressure case setup.
I hate to nitpick, but I think it's acceptable considering the price of the case. The paint is pure orange-peel and could really use a round of sanding and buffing. As it is right now it looks like a paint job done in someone's driveway. Glossy isn't difficult to pull off, glossy and smooth is where the challenge comes from. The dust filters also need more thought put into them. There's absolutely no reason to have a filter over the rear fan opening if it's intended to be used as an exhaust. Why can't the screws be a normal hex or torx head screw? Why do I need to purchase more bits on top of the cost of the case? For $2000 I think this still leaves a lot to be desired.
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lets just take a moment to pay some respect to Dennis who clearly was happy to learn from his earlier errors and who better to learn from all hail the mighty Roman big respect to both of you
So true
To be fair, there was no other choice. The first case was unusable, unsalable product.
Compared to the prior version, that is an EXTREMELY impressive change. The case is out of my price range but its nowhere near as absurd as the original version. I'd absolutely use this with almost no complaints.
I think the fact that Regner sent you both versions of their case, was the best way they could fix the design issues. It seems like they really listened to your input regarding what did not work on the earlier model. This looks 100 times better as far as functional design goes.
Derbauer is the ultimate consultant on these things
Save on R&D 😂😂😂😂
I would think powder coating the case would be a better option for durability, and hiding an imperfect surface quality. It might not be shiny, but I think a matte look would still be pretty nice.
would look awesome all black powdercoated.
I agree, it would look awesome with a 2 tone powder coat!
@@Xfade81 even an bright color for the sides in powder coating would also look impressive.
it is already powder coated?
It could be “blued” or anodised for a premium and possibly repairable finish
You could see the potential in the original case, great to see the development and improvements
Nice to see a company listening to valid criticisms and fixing their issues.
Case is still expensive, but if it comes with well over $1000 of cooling components it starts to be SLIGHTLY more reasonable. The design is good, I really like the radiator setup. Being a DIY type person though it makes me want to build my own case to have something as custom.
Alternately you could go get a couple Honda Fit or Civic radiators that are the same size, for cheaper lol.
@@crisnmaryfam7344 yeah but you'd be dealing with mixed metal loops since those radiators are going to be aluminum.
You could see about in dash heater cores though since many of those are copper. Go one step further and pull them yourself at a salvage yard.
if they sold this as a disassembled parts cutting the cost so that way we just put it together ourselves.
then maybe. 2200... damn but it is custom.
@@admiralbosch2851 I could see those side panels (or something similar) being sold as addons with custom brackets for the more popular cases to replace side panel. Wouldn't be very difficult to make a radiator/fan setup with filters and then have mounting brackets they fit on.
Each of those panels has ~50% more radiator surface area than my 3 rad setup. It could be a cool simple solution. Though a 400mmx400mm rad setup might be too big for many cases (such as mine) so a smaller 280mmx280mm one might also be great.
@@JohnA... Would think rather than sell the side panels, allow us to order the case with only the rear rad panel and have the front be tempered glass on a hinge, for more consumer friendly/budget option builds that want out of the box water cooling capability in a case. Would be a good option to allow the concept to remain the same, and allow for more customers to try to product by lowering the cost if one was to order a single rad panel case.
I misread the thumbnail, thinking it was 220 €. That seemed like a fair price for such a cool looking case... but when Roman made it clear that there was an extra zero I had missed, my head nearly exploded! 🤯 But by the end of the video I was totally won over. This has officially become my endgame case ❤
While this is still insanely expensive, this time it does feel like a super high end item for the ultra enthusiasts, the performance is there. I do think an easy area for improvement is to go for better dust filters, the current ones seem to be the older kind that restrict airflow a lot but newer ones that you see in the more premium cases like the Torrent line are much better
You get what you pay for. And this is exactly what I expect to get when I pay a lot of money for something. He really put in some serious effort!
Dust filters on exhaust fans are a mistake. Also, why do the case manufacturers think that the front panel belongs on the top? A vertical mounting is more convenient and dust wouldn't settle into the plugs.
And prevents cats from turning off computers.
24:54 Dust filters are a must have if you live in dry dusty environments. Pop them out and give them a clean every 1-2 weeks is vastly superior to cleaning the whole PC every 2-4 weeks. That allows you to have the ~6 month whole system cleaning cycle by having a 5 minute remove, shake off outside, and wipe down filters cycle every week or two. 10-20 minutes spread over a month is better than an hour or more monthly. Not needed for you but you don't live in Arizona or Israel.
Impressive case, massive respect to Dennis 👍🏽👍🏽 for listening to feedback and acting on them. In regards to additional testing, would love to see how the 7950X performs in this case.
how can this channel with only 150k subscribers produce so much high budget videos and top knowledge?
Seems like a good candidate case for an extreme build using the direct die ek waterblock.
That's what I was hoping he would test with. With those rads and fans, I didn't find the temps impressive
Also wonder if a second pump would make a difference with all that rad and block restriction...
@@evigklytteren A good pump will do you for that much rad and a single CPU/GPU combo, though a second pump would be lovely for redundancy. Looks like there's enough space in the case to add that if you need it though!
@@technicalfool I would want to run the CPU and GPU to separate loops with the size of those radiators. Keeping the heat separate would help with the temps of whichever your downstream component is.
@@DigitalJedi Definitely an option, though it also would make an expensive build even more expensive. Guess it depends on the build. One CPU and 1-2 GPUs, probably better as a single loop.
Double socket insanity, yeah I'd probably want one of those MoRAs just for the CPU side of things!
The ray tracing reflections are really impressive on that case!
You have been on a roll with your latest vides. You have everything from interviews, to exploding CPUs, to case reviews. Keep it up.
From ugly duck to a beautiful swan it seems . Hence it's obviously a product for hyper-enthusiasts or ultra-professionals I loved it a whole lotta. Kudos on the producer to have remade the case over Roman's suggestions.
For a personal home use rig it would probably be out of my price range.
But if you were putting some High end workstation rigs together for a Bussiness where you needed this kind of super reliable quiet cooling , minimum dust issues , Quiet work space with no distracting flashy bs then this seems like a really easy solution, They should add a rugged paint option for Bussiness's.
That's very impressive cooling performance. I can see this being popular with Threadripper or systems that use XL-ATX motherboards as it has the space for those and could be used through a number of upgrades so should last several years. I think a less fine mesh would be a good compromise between dust and airflow. It looked like the mesh strips for the PCIE slots was less fine.
At 2200€, this case is as far from "popular" as it can possibly get.
@@Deses Popular amongst threadripper and other HEDT/workstation-type builds. It's really not that bad for that amount of cooling loop, if they can get their custom paint jobs up to top notch quality to match.
Really really happy to see the full towers represented. I've only ever run full towers, currently I'm running in a thermaltake core p8.
This looks amazing for a money-is-no-object near-silent build of a top tier gaming system that also looks slick.
I would have absolutely loved to see comparative results with the mesh filters removed (at least from the airflow paths for the main radiators) but I can understand why Regner didn't want you to make changes to his prototype! Maybe he can send you a final one to really tear apart once they're in full production.
I'm a huge fan (excuse the pun) of dust filters. I have a BeQuiet case, I have just swapped my 3080 for a 4090, and even after 18 months use the 3080 looks pretty much like it did when I stuck it in there, whereas with other cases, the GPU will be clogged with dust after just 3 months. It's also hecka dusty in our flat, and the filters in the case do a great job.
I don't mind using dust filters if they are the kind that just slide out so you can rinse them in the sink...I bought a fractal meshify s2 case once and it had foam dust filters in between the plastic and the outer metal mesh! They were a nightmare to get clean after a few months...I just switched to a water cooled open air bench, and I just hit it with the swiffer duster and micro fiber cloth once a week and it's great!
@@brucepreston3927 Yeah I'm the same, the case I have you can pull the filters out. I'll normally hit them with our Dyson reachable vacuum when I have cleaning around my desk, and run them under the tap ever couple of months.
Well done to Dennis for being humble enough to take on board the criticism. That would look great with a Starfleet colour scheme.
Both you and Dennis shine in this video demonstrating both your skills of engineering and testing hardware. Very nicely done by Dennis for a 6K over ambient with power draw >500W!
Thanks for sharing,one thing I missed was CPU speed at 220+Watts at 100°C with full load. 13900KS Wattage seems low for default settings
I literally made the side panel at home. That thing can cool everything. This case has 2 of those panels. That's awesome.
Smart on Regner - free publicity and QA haha. Very glowing review considering the price
holy shit the video cut after the intro logo to you standing next to this behemoth was hilarious.
If I had the money, I would love a case like this.
1:05 I understand this is just a promo shot - but I can’t help but laugh seeing that 24pin ATX cable so perfectly sandwiched between the heatsink and intake fan. Extremely innovative implementation of “cooling zones” 😂
Yeah ... stunning visual, and an engineering marvel. I wouldn't have room for something like that in my tiny office on my tiny desk, but nonetheless an incredible product. Congrats to all involved!!
What an amazing upgrade, that is one hell of a sick case. Too pricey for me unfortunately but damn impressive.
WoW! That is just amazing. Now it is A Super Lux product that look and perform's correctly. Well Done!
What a quality peice of engineering. If I needed the cooling requirements for an ultra high end desktop I'd be very inclined to spend the money on this case.
I've done a few custom loop systems before and this case would be a decision of "do I spend the extra $1000, knowing that I'm paying for the easy integration and convinience, with pre tested quality parts or do I absorb the time and headache to save a $1000".
Super impressed with that case. I can see the quality engineering that went into it. Can't wait to see the progress of it in future, who knows maybe on the next pc I build if I go super high end I may be in the market for it.
1. I see no issue with painting, it's just a... more industrial style bonus.
2. Very good water cooling performance from what Roman shown us.
3. No RGB components needed which is brilliant!
4. "Made in Germany".
An amazing piece of engineering. The price is high and well above the level that can be justified by the vast majority of users, but if you can afford if you get what you pay for. I also agree about the filters but at this price point it should have a system of being able to easily remove the filter frames for cleaning. This should have been part of the design from the start.
Wow. Credit to Regner for not only listening to the criticisms and making outstanding changes and a superb quality product. I still don't see a real use for such a monster, but if you do, then this is it. And if he responds to ALL customer feedback in a similar way, then this is definitely a "creme de la creme" product, and company.
Dust filters are not only for dust, but also block some frequencies. If there are no fans in proximity (increased noise) then they actually reduce noise.
If I was in that price range 100% would buy, looks and performance is epic.
This is pretty outstanding. For those who want something like this it seems second to none
I would probably flip the fans on the left side panel so that they suck air into the case through the radiator. The current setup has 8 big, low-RPM, low-pressure fans all trying to suck air from inside of the case. That creates a negative pressure system inside the case which has 0 intake fans to help the big, low-pressure fans to get air in to the case.
The four fans working as intakes would also provide some more airflow for cooling the RAM and other components on the motherboard.
A friend of mine built a watercooled system with big radiators at the top and bottom of an O11D XL with a distro plate covering the side fan slots. He originally had all his radiator fans blowing air out of the case through the bottom and top panels, which caused high temperatures everywhere because the fans were all fighting to get some air and there were no fans working as intakes. I told him to flip the fans on his bottom radiator to work as air intakes and his temperatures improved drastically.
Regarding dust “filters.” First, I have yet to see a screen on a commercial computer case that I would consider a filter.
Second, and more importantly, Restriction of airflow is primarily a function of open area. Open area should be a readily obtainable value or for any screen. Regardless of how small the openings are, the key value is the open area. An empirical example: I use 120 mesh (120 wires per inch; 4.724 wires per mm) stainless steel screen, that I customized on several cases and have not observed airflow problems. Yes, they require more frequent maintenance, because the dust accumulates faster than on more coarse openings.
The downside of such fine stainless steel screen is that RGB is harder to see. So difficult to balance important characteristics…form or function?
These plastic dustfilters are terrible , on the other hand : nylon filters (just to name a few : Silverstone / TT / Demciflex / Aliexpress food mesh filter < yes pretty good for PC) are pretty free flow ,still catch a lot of dust .
For this kind of money I would like to show it off some.
But for this design I would like to see the side panels hinge odd the back panel.
This would help in holding the rads in their operating position while providing access to maintain the loop and the PC hardware.
It would also allow the user to show it and the fancy hardware off.
i love that some people are willing to make completely impractical over-the-top things
Wow, this is an impressive come-back, if money was no object I would definitely buy this
I can not imagine how heavy it will be with all components installed and to carry around.
carry around.. lol
@@Starfishtroopers I mean, it has a handle, kek.
I am tall and kinda fit, but I would still call a friend to help me move that to my car when I go to any event.
It would be heavy
The handles on top aren't to grab, they're mounting points to hook up an engine crane 😂
Great improvement. Looks like a cool premium product.
1. For the price I'd prefer paint to be covered with lacquer.
2. The screws on the sides should also be painted, or at least be black to match the colour scheme.
3. The handles look to thin and under designed. They need more work.
4. Add a Chromax Noctua fan in the rear of the case.
Very cool! Honestly the price doesn't seem all that crazy considering what you get...I think I spent like $1000 on my current watercooling loop
11:00 indirect lightning hell yeah brother!
Why are there dust filters filtering all the hot air being exhausted out of the radiators?
This might go on my bucket list for the "I won the lottery PC" I don't know how I would like living with it long term but this looks absolutely amazing
We're house hunting. That case is big enough for us to live in. Thanks! If we can find a big enough crane (and plot of land), we can have it lifted onto that property.
Price is really reasonable for what you are getting. Agree about those mesh filters. I would remove them too.
Nice to see the improvements
Awesome product.
Are the two "handles" on top also aluminum? Seems like they would bend if it's lifted by them unless they are steel.
Make the front HDD trays removable and the ability to install 3 fans at the front. Or make the front hdd optional.
Small stuff like that is extremely easy to paint well. I can also see that they must have used cheap single-stage paint
If it is a low production thing, they could offer a configurator where you could choose between different mesh materials (or none), like the custom paint job.
I'm so early my wallet is still full from not buying a crazy computer yet. Can't wait for another case collab from you.
I would love this case with the back panel being made with the radiator and other side with glass, would look amazing and still be enough cooling to handle spu/gpu..
I think the side panels should be on hinges which would help with the size and weight of them to manage. Very nice case other wise.
No optional wheels?
Good point actually 😂
Honestly, this is not too bad considering what you get for the price(still slightly on the more expensive side). Also, no option for wheels? I don't want to think about how heavy that is, considering how heavy my fully loaded O11XL is. Great video!
The real time ray tracing used in this video is top notch.
Apparently, there is a HS (high speed) version of this Noctua fan available to OEM's, optimised for radiators and not available to the general public. He should use those if able. I would reccomend changing that filter material out for ultra fine nylon mesh like demciflex use.
well Noctua does sell a range than goes 1000-1500 rpm faster than regular fans at 1500 - 2000 rpm +/- 10% , also differently pitched blades for radiators vs fin stacks. I believe the low pitch were shown.Otherwise Delta server style. XD
@@tobiwonkanogy2975 for the longest time they didnt. they only offered the "better" fans when sold onto thier coolers.
i think it was only recently with the chromax max versions is where you would find the equivalent "heatsink" fans... at least its true regarding the 92x14mm fans
i have used the Alphacool 1260mm rad as an external rad before its a unit, even better by an open window in winter when its -5 degress outside :)
that is just the most ridiculous case and i love it . Great to see a company take on board your suggestions in how to improve the design.. And 2000 euros for quality German engineering is more than a fair price. When you consider what you get. great content as always Roman
armchair engineer oppinion, I would configure the fans to suck the air from the outside in so the mesh filters are the first thing air passes trough not the last to make cleaning so much easier as with the fans in the video, I feel like youd have to take apart the whole side panel to clean out the filter as opposed to just wiping the side panels down with the pull fans
it looks absolutely beautiful! sad that the interior paint job won't ever be seen unless you're working on internal components.
This project is insane awesome
Given that custom LC can cost WAY more than actual hardware it's cooling (especially if it's themed build), price is acceptable - it's comparable to InWin products, which are also super niche. It also has a potential to attract some boutique workstation builders, as all-in-one solution for high-end in office machines - with exception of case feet, where casters would be much more appropriate.
It would be interesting to see if the case can handle eight 15mm U.2 drives, without thermal throttling them.
Sweet, but I like to see the tubes and water blocks. How about a cube shaped case with the mainboard horizontal, above the PSU, radiator(s), and pump/res?
Germany must be a really clean place. Those fine dust filters would become solid panels within a week of usage at my place.
With D5 pumps, the best way I've seen to prime is sweep the pump speed up and down. Either with voltage, pwm or a vario pump.
Nice to see turnaround like that, first one felt like scam, this one is good.
I think he seriously need to improve one glaring issue. Those carry handles need to be round pipes at least. With all this weight i can't imagine how painful it has to be to grab onto flat metal sheet.
I accept a few degrees increase in heat for the advantage of much less dust. I use Demciflex fine-mesh filters (imported from South Africa where they are manufactured) for my old Corsair 400D case, they manufacture kits for certain cases with magnetic attachments which work great. You have to set up your airflow to compensate for the change in static pressure, but I would never run without dust filters. It makes for less maintenance and cleaning of heatsinks and radiators, and helps prevent build-up in corners of your case which are hard to reach. It also prevents you from trying to vacuum out the case and risk damage from excessive static produced b y household vacuum cleaners. (If you're going to vac your PC, buy an "ESD vacuum".)
This case really does seem like the "I've bought the top of the line everything" case for the extrovert LAN-goer or mid-life crisis gamer. And weirdly given the cost, it still looks like a prototype with a back-yard rattle can paintjob. I'd expect anodised or powder coated.
Impressive case and excellent review.
Incredible attention to detail and fantastic design. Having radiators built-in to the case is not something I've seen before. Unique and highly performant.
Paint is very difficult to get right. To me, that surface looks powdercoated. Powdercoat is an incredibly durable finish, and looks best in a matte or dull semi-gloss. It would require quite a bit of either 1) hours of hand finish or 2) years of powdercoat experience. Hoping that they can improve their parts wash, spray patterns, spray density, baking process, and final touchup to make an excellent finish at the same price point.
Not sure if this would ever be seen, but for some extra cost... Powdercoat priming can provide a quick and dirty way to make a smoother finish.
I haven't used a single dustfilter in my systems for the past 25 years, because I work on my systems at least twice a year for upgrades and made a habit out of cleaning my systems every 3ish months.
I found out way back that dust filters may stop some dust from getting inside you system, but in return, you have performance degradation of your cooling over time when the dustfilters start clogging up.
Instead of using them, I select my cases for ease of access to the inside and airflow.
Through the years, as airflow in cases has vastly improved, the amount of dust I find in my cases has declined to near nothingness.
Good airflow in cases makes it so that most all dust that gets sucked it also gets ejected from the case.
There's a case to be made it's better to have your dustfilters clog up than having your GPU HSF clog up over time, but it's actually far easier to take out your GPU and clean it than to try and declog large surface areas of dustfilters.
First thing I'd do if I ever bought this case would be to remove all the dust filters. Or order it with a request not to install them to begin with.
Black and red is my favorite color way!
that outro song was clean AF
He should even do a light version! The same case but without components. Think he would attract more buyer's that way.
I just tried to order this fantastic case but they only ship inside Germany ;-( I love this new version!
Amazing work from Dennis.
Had to laugh.......obscure rivet like screws that even an engineer doesn't recognise........Wera has a driver for 'em lol
Seeing Roman next to the pc case …. He looks like a little kid 😅😂🤣😅😂🤣
Damn! That is the German engineering threshold few can even try to match..
Bravo!
As a dog owner in a dusty northern alberta farming town i disagree with you re dust filters. I clean mine ever 1-2 months. Its far easier too clean a dust filter than it is too disassemble and clean a water cooling loop with radiators and fans etc.
Beautiful case.
I wonder if more flow would help those cpu temps.
I love the idea of this case
That would be a fun case to build in.
Functionally this is far better than the previous case. I still cannot see much of a use case for it, especially considering the price point. It is more of a "because I can" item. They really need to improve the paint quality for the retail model though. The black gloss is covered in orange peel and you can see scratches and buff marks on the side panels. For the cost of this case, the finishing of every single component needs to be faultless. Those panels need multiple coats of paint with each coat being flatted off individually by hand, before lacquer. A 2 grand + case needs to not have the paint job of some bargain bin chinesium part.
Paint job and color scheme make this case look like a random aliexpress garbage
I'm shocked that single D5 pump was able to push through both those huge rads. I bet a part of that is contributing to you having difficulties getting bubbles out of the loop but then again the temperatures spoke for themselves.
While the price is way too much for us mere mortals, I do like the idea of radiators using multiple 200mm fans rather than a heap of 120s. A more modestly specced case based around a 2x200mm AIO cooler would be amazing.
I wonder if there are similarly overkill cases, but for air cooling. Also maybe it's just me but would have loved to see how the CPU behaved on max fan speeds, if the temperatures were still that high or if the multithreading score was higher with that much cooling
mr Regner could sell this case with just one side panel too… And maybe just a stand-alone side panel with feet’s so to have a better looking Mo-Ra.
Should be easy enough with no retooling
Cool to see something like that actually work now but ever since I built my main PC on a Praxis Wetbench the thought of building a computer in a case is so unappealing. I have to blow the dust off it more but I can easily do maintenance on it, easier to swap a part out and it is great for custom liquid cooling. I don't run into any compatibility issues with height or length of components and there is plenty of room in the bottom of it to group together all the wires, I just can't go back to a case and deal with all those annoying and various compromises.
Pretty cool concept.
I really don't like the handles at the top.
I love the integrated radiator but when you spend this much money on a PC you wanna should off your build. So he should definitely make a version with a window and a integrated distro plate and have the hidden radiator just in the rear panel.
DDR5 RAM requires a sufficient airflow over it if you want to run it stable at some higher XMP profiles (7200+) and i'm not sure how good/bad those 4x200mm fans at providing that in a negative air pressure case setup.
I hate to nitpick, but I think it's acceptable considering the price of the case. The paint is pure orange-peel and could really use a round of sanding and buffing. As it is right now it looks like a paint job done in someone's driveway. Glossy isn't difficult to pull off, glossy and smooth is where the challenge comes from.
The dust filters also need more thought put into them. There's absolutely no reason to have a filter over the rear fan opening if it's intended to be used as an exhaust.
Why can't the screws be a normal hex or torx head screw? Why do I need to purchase more bits on top of the cost of the case?
For $2000 I think this still leaves a lot to be desired.