Love seeing your content! I know you have to make money from your job. But I just wanted to saw how much we appreciate your dedication to posting these videos! Keep up the great work mate!
Love following you lathe rebuild. I have been rebuilding a Southbend 16/24 and seem to finish my piece and then watch your video or vise versa. keep up the awsome work.
Halligan142 I got a super deal in this one $200. And it was mine. However with vfd and all other goodies I have upped the total cost. But will have nice lathe once done.
Greg, I have a similar lathe (European, late 1940's European construction) Not a South Bend, but very similar in construction. I have always used light lithium grease on the back-gear and cone-pulley shaft. I suspect the stuff you have to be similar (looks and by all accounts feels the same). The needle trust bearing for the headstock assembly was one of the first things I did, when I restored the machine. It took a few sessions of tinkering to get it 'just' right, but once you do, it should be the last time you touch that part. It hasn't given me pause in two decades of regular use. Great job on the "13" by the way. This will be a very nice machine once you are through with it all ! Great job indeed ! Toodles!! Paddy
Hey, that machine is starting to look like a lathe. Don't stop now, I'm getting excited. You'll be making swarf anytime. FYI, Last August I bought a 9" Model a and I'm trying to get it cleaned up and looking good. I won't be doing as much as you have but I'll send you a Pic when it's done. Love the videos.
That's exactly the lathe that I have! What are the dimensions for the gear on the back end of the spindle? The one on mine was so mangled that I can't take measurements off it
Greg, I haven't taken my headstock off just yet, but what did you do when putting it back on the lathe? Did you have to do anything special to align it to be collinear with the bed ways?
What about the belts that turn the pulley. Are you going to use those linked belts ? Wow, that lathe didn't look that nice new. Makes me want to go out and paint my handles red, those look neat.
I have an annoying relationship with those belts. I use them at work as emergency belts for when I don't have the correct size. They're expensive and in my opinion noisier. Yes they may dampen vibration due to the links flexing, but they seem to dry out and crack in some hot environments like kitchen exhaust hoods, especially when used on small diameter pulleys. I know people swear by them, but I don't.
Depends mostly on year and spindle size. Small bore spindles had cast bearings most large bore had bronze. I know someone who has a 30's 15" and it has bronze with no expanders.
I think maybe you should use an ep oil on the open thrust bearings. Running them open without an oil bath will prevent an oil film from forming to protect the running surface. At least with some ep additives there might be something to lubricate the surface. That or use moly or graphite. I'm no expert by any means so if anyone knows otherwise feel free to disagree. I wonder if a graphite (or synthetic polymer/oilite designed to run dry) bushing would be better than a roller in this application.
It was from McMaster-Carr can't remember the specific part #. It will only fit the small spindle lathe(1" through hole) and not a the large spindle. Size the ID of the bearing to the OD of your spindle then get the thinnest hardened washers. They are nominal sizes so if your spindle is not you may need to make up a spacer.
how would you advise flushing the oil reservoirs and ports on the headstocks? Is it possible to drag rags or something through. Could you describe the cavities we can't see that hold the oil? Thanks!
Any sort of degreaser will work. You can use something to pull through. Pipe cleaners work well. All there is behind the oiler is basically an L shaped hole. One side is connected to the oil cup and the wick sits in the other side of the L. Oil level is dictated by the height of the oil cup which has to be lower than the little vent hole above it.
Hi sir, do you know by any chance where you can get replacement trust bearing? The thicker one on the lathe im rebuilding seems to be missing the ball assembly for god knows what reason.
@@Halligan142 yeah i have found one on ebay but he does not ship to canada lol. The closest i have found yet on the net is 0.625” thick and 3” wide. Do you have a part # of one I could use or you haven’t went this route? Thanks! Edit: i managed to ship it to canada.
Not offhand. It was sized by the inside diameter and purchased from McMaster-Carr. You'll need the bearing and 2 of the thinner hardened washers. Only the OD of the small spindle 13" (1 7/8 spindle nose) lathe will match up perfectly with the ID of a bearing. If you have a large spindle (2 1/4 spindle nose) you will only be able to get a slightly larger bearing and have to machine a spacer unless you're able to special order a non standard sizes bearing which would probably be pricey.
@@Halligan142 Damn mine is 2 1/4 nosed. So they don't make a bearing stack for that ID. when you say spacer do you mean a sleeve to take up for the 'larger bearing' (between spindle and bearing ID)
@@dizzolve I'm pretty sure that the large spindle 13s have a thrust bearing on both sides of the left hand main bearing. If that's the case the needle bearing isn't going to be of any benefit because the take up nut is already against a bearing. In my case it rides directly against the main bearing casting. I have a friend that has a 15" lathe which was only made for a few years that has the same setup as mine but has the larger spindle thread. In his case and in yours if it's the same he had to make a spacer to take up the diameter difference between the spindle and needle bearing.
@@Halligan142 you know now that I think about it you're right. But I do remember seeing fiber washer in there somewhere. maybe it was elsewhere on the machine. It's been a few years since I had it all open.
Can't really do that here due to the grooves in the bearing. The other Bronze bearings have adjustment expanders to get the correct clearance so the caps have to be on to measure and adjust.
Love seeing your content! I know you have to make money from your job. But I just wanted to saw how much we appreciate your dedication to posting these videos! Keep up the great work mate!
Thanks!
Love following you lathe rebuild. I have been rebuilding a Southbend 16/24 and seem to finish my piece and then watch your video or vise versa. keep up the awsome work.
Nice! There was one of those for sale around here not too long ago with a 12 or 15' bed.
Halligan142 I got a super deal in this one $200. And it was mine. However with vfd and all other goodies I have upped the total cost. But will have nice lathe once done.
Greg,
I have a similar lathe (European, late 1940's European construction) Not a South Bend, but very similar in construction.
I have always used light lithium grease on the back-gear and cone-pulley shaft. I suspect the stuff you have to be similar (looks and by all accounts feels the same).
The needle trust bearing for the headstock assembly was one of the first things I did, when I restored the machine.
It took a few sessions of tinkering to get it 'just' right, but once you do, it should be the last time you touch that part.
It hasn't given me pause in two decades of regular use.
Great job on the "13" by the way. This will be a very nice machine once you are through with it all ! Great job indeed !
Toodles!!
Paddy
Love the thrust bearings rather than the fiber washer , Great upgrade ! Looking so sweet man .. THUMBS UP ..
Hey, that machine is starting to look like a lathe. Don't stop now, I'm getting excited. You'll be making swarf anytime. FYI, Last August I bought a 9" Model a and I'm trying to get it cleaned up and looking good. I won't be doing as much as you have but I'll send you a Pic when it's done. Love the videos.
Good video Greg. Still haven't made cylinder for band saw yet. To many projects keep going ahead of it.
Iv'e just bought one and this video is golden!
That's exactly the lathe that I have! What are the dimensions for the gear on the back end of the spindle? The one on mine was so mangled that I can't take measurements off it
Greg, I haven't taken my headstock off just yet, but what did you do when putting it back on the lathe? Did you have to do anything special to align it to be collinear with the bed ways?
It is scraped in at the factory and keyed in place with pins. There is no adjustment. .just make sure both mating surfaces are 100% clean and dry.
What about the belts that turn the pulley. Are you going to use those linked belts ? Wow, that lathe didn't look that nice new. Makes me want to go out and paint my handles red, those look neat.
I have an annoying relationship with those belts. I use them at work as emergency belts for when I don't have the correct size. They're expensive and in my opinion noisier. Yes they may dampen vibration due to the links flexing, but they seem to dry out and crack in some hot environments like kitchen exhaust hoods, especially when used on small diameter pulleys. I know people swear by them, but I don't.
My 13 South Bend has bronze spindle bearings. I didn't know they used different types of spindle bearings.
Depends mostly on year and spindle size. Small bore spindles had cast bearings most large bore had bronze. I know someone who has a 30's 15" and it has bronze with no expanders.
I think maybe you should use an ep oil on the open thrust bearings. Running them open without an oil bath will prevent an oil film from forming to protect the running surface. At least with some ep additives there might be something to lubricate the surface. That or use moly or graphite. I'm no expert by any means so if anyone knows otherwise feel free to disagree.
I wonder if a graphite (or synthetic polymer/oilite designed to run dry) bushing would be better than a roller in this application.
What thrust washer did you use, part number and where did you get it? Great restoration. It looks great.
It was from McMaster-Carr can't remember the specific part #. It will only fit the small spindle lathe(1" through hole) and not a the large spindle. Size the ID of the bearing to the OD of your spindle then get the thinnest hardened washers. They are nominal sizes so if your spindle is not you may need to make up a spacer.
how would you advise flushing the oil reservoirs and ports on the headstocks? Is it possible to drag rags or something through. Could you describe the cavities we can't see that hold the oil? Thanks!
Any sort of degreaser will work. You can use something to pull through. Pipe cleaners work well. All there is behind the oiler is basically an L shaped hole. One side is connected to the oil cup and the wick sits in the other side of the L. Oil level is dictated by the height of the oil cup which has to be lower than the little vent hole above it.
Hi sir, do you know by any chance where you can get replacement trust bearing? The thicker one on the lathe im rebuilding seems to be missing the ball assembly for god knows what reason.
They are an oddball thickness. You have 2 c0hices. Get an off the shelf bearing with the correct inside diameter and machine a spacer or check Ebay
@@Halligan142 yeah i have found one on ebay but he does not ship to canada lol. The closest i have found yet on the net is 0.625” thick and 3” wide. Do you have a part # of one I could use or you haven’t went this route?
Thanks!
Edit: i managed to ship it to canada.
what oil are you using on the wicks?
you don't happen to have a part number on that thrust bearing (fiber washer replace) do you? Nice work
Not offhand. It was sized by the inside diameter and purchased from McMaster-Carr. You'll need the bearing and 2 of the thinner hardened washers. Only the OD of the small spindle 13" (1 7/8 spindle nose) lathe will match up perfectly with the ID of a bearing. If you have a large spindle (2 1/4 spindle nose) you will only be able to get a slightly larger bearing and have to machine a spacer unless you're able to special order a non standard sizes bearing which would probably be pricey.
@@Halligan142 Damn mine is 2 1/4 nosed. So they don't make a bearing stack for that ID. when you say spacer do you mean a sleeve to take up for the 'larger bearing' (between spindle and bearing ID)
@@dizzolve
I'm pretty sure that the large spindle 13s have a thrust bearing on both sides of the left hand main bearing. If that's the case the needle bearing isn't going to be of any benefit because the take up nut is already against a bearing. In my case it rides directly against the main bearing casting. I have a friend that has a 15" lathe which was only made for a few years that has the same setup as mine but has the larger spindle thread. In his case and in yours if it's the same he had to make a spacer to take up the diameter difference between the spindle and needle bearing.
@@Halligan142 you know now that I think about it you're right. But I do remember seeing fiber washer in there somewhere. maybe it was elsewhere on the machine. It's been a few years since I had it all open.
Curious what you're using for the thrust bearing. Looks to be a better fit than what I used.
Mine is a small bore spindle so the spindle is a nominal size. The large bore is not and the bearings only come in nominal sizes.
looking good .
The white grease looks like plain Lithium grease.
It's not. It's a lot thinner and more watery
Disco-tech grease!!!
Looks like Lubriplate.
doesn't anyone use plastic gage anymore LOL
Can't really do that here due to the grooves in the bearing. The other Bronze bearings have adjustment expanders to get the correct clearance so the caps have to be on to measure and adjust.