Tip: You have to signal him with your right hand in pointing like your going to mention something that he says. The way your body is positioned is not in a conversation stance. It’s kind of like him vs you. You have to go in to listening mode, and continue to ask him more questions, and not give your insight. He is really good at explaining things and over talks even chad sometimes.
If you want to reduce a 45-70 load to 50 grains, then you need to fill the rest of the cartridge with corn meal so that the base of the bullet is in contact, leaving no air space. If you're from the south, you can use grits.
Thank you Mike. Just got my first muzzle loader last weekend. And found this 6 year old video. I do hope yal can make a newer video with more up to date powders, such as BlackHorn 209 and 209 primers.
Black powder corning/grain size general guidelines. Fg=cannon/artillery powder FFg=rifle powder (can sometimes be used in big bore pistols) FFFg=pistol powder (can be used in rifles and carbines) FFFFg=priming powder (to be used in flash pans of wheelocks, flintlocks and matchlocks)
I have cannon powder in an old pre Goex can,same colors on tin can. In Maine there are black powder gun clubs that have cannons. That Swiss and Scheutzen is good.
And don't go shopping for 'a' grade powder instead of 'g'. Anything with an 'a' at the end is used for blasting charges or fireworks instead of firearms and is much coarser in granule size (5Fa is the same grain size as 3Fg).
The Savage 10 ML muzzleloader uses smokeless powder. However, you do have to use the right kind and amount of smokeless powder. Blackhorn 209 is a hybrid powder made up of nitrocellulose (smokeless powder) and Guanidine Nitrate. The most dangerous part of any muzzleloader problem is found between the shooter's ears.
Blackpowder seems like alot of trouble and overly complicated. Don't be discouraged, you'll learn quick. All the accoutrements and rituals that go with shooting it becomes second nature and very enjoyable. It's like shooting Zen. Slows the world down. In many states hunting with blackpowder allows a hunter to get out in very early seasons around the same time as bow hunters. Anyone looking for real black powder in Colorado, the Mountain Man Shop in Manitou Springs carries it.
I'm having a 35 year later resurgence of my enjoyment with black powder guns.Revolvers,Break open long cartridge arms,canons.I find it about 20% energy of smokeless.Current fringe is 12 gauge .69 balls with 100 grains of homemade black behind it for serious plinking. Super cheap to shoot when you pour your own lead. I find that Pyrodex is harder to light off than BP. And Stainless has been a godsend with my black powder adventures.The #11 caps often fall off the # 10 stainless nipples. You can get BP online for around $8 a pound,but you must designate that it is used for sporting purposes and not fireworks.From my understanding,BATFE limits residential storage to 50lbs. You guys did pretty good for a BP primer!Thanks.
Old video but I'll comment anyway. There is real good information here. I am purchasing an 1860 army revolver just because they look cool and the history, of course. I'm no stranger to firearms but black powder is new to me. I found this video as part of my research before ordering supplies. Thanks for putting this out there. Very relevant to me. Oh, and I've been a long time subscriber to both your channels.
I don't know anything about black powder and honestly don't have much interest in it. But Mrgunsngear and IV8888 together I have no choice but to watch and enjoy. Thanks guys!
Great video guys!!!!! I thought that you covered the subject masterfully. I personally am someone who shoots a lot of black powder for all of the reasons that you mentioned and I found it very worth while!!!! Keep up the great work.
Black powder ignites quicker than most substitutes. This is easily seen in a flintlock. Tried this the first time I shot my rifle. Was able to fire twice in an hour. Flintlocks, stay with actual black powder (especially in the pan).
If you do use a substitute in the main charge of a flintlock, it's a good idea to fill the first 10-15 grains with genuine black powder before loading it the rest of the way with the substitute. That 'kicker' charge will be hot enough to set off the stuff. Just don't keep it there for long-term storage. There's a reason they say don't mix genuine black powder and substitutes together in the same can. The sulfur in black powder increases the shock sensitivity of the perchlorate in substitutes, especially if moisture acidifies that sulfur.
I'm just waiting for Eric to figure out a Black Powder load that will function an AR15 .. adjustable gas block.. buffer spring.. I know it's coming some day.. lmfao.. P.s that 1980's sexy symbol on the shirts is so tacticool! Tim is gonna love this!
Good presentation, but I think twist rates need to be mentioned, conicals need a faster twist rate of 1:28, though it could still be effective with a 1:48 twist, while round balls need a twist rate of 1:60, but could work from 1:48. Some manufacturers build rifles with a 1:48 twist to accomodate both types of projectiles. My CVA Hawken Woodsman is one example with a 1:48 twist, but I prefer round balls, it seems to load much easier and I get a fair accuracy with it.
Have to measure black powder and substitutes by volume because substitutes weigh different by volume than black powder. 35 grains of Black Powder by volume will weigh a lot more than 35 grains by volume of pyrodex but with same power. If you measure by weight you will get substantially more pyrodex by volume than Black powder. Which would make a much hotter load and might not even fit into the cylinder if used in a cap and ball revolver
Great video, only thing I saw that is misinformation would be that “substitutes are easier to ignite than black powder”. Black powder is much more reactive to ignition than substitutes which is why I as a traditional cap and ball hunter won’t use any substitutes. The stuff doesn’t have nearly as reliable as black powder
Due to the lack of components for reloading I learned to make my own black powder. One of the first things I learned was that it is not actually called black powder, it's called gun powder. Modern powder is called smokeless powder. The fun for me was making charcoal from different woods and trying to make the fastest powder I could. It is not as dirty as simulated powders and is quite powerful. Caps are next. I also tried different methods to granulate the powder. For instance I found that corning the powder does makes a denser powder but the extra work wasn't worth it for me.
One of the best tips I've seen for reloading caps is that you should cut out a circle from a match striker strip that can lay down flat against the bottom of the primer cup, before filling the cup up with match head powder. much more reliable than scraping the powder off the strip and mixing them.
Wow, very enlightening. I am new to black powder, and I didn't realize how much is involved with it. Watching your video, I learned a lot, and was impressed at your level of knowledge and ability to explain it in a clear and thorough way. Not sure if black powder will be my new favorite hobby, but at least I have a better understanding of it. Thanks so much for taking the time to make this video. It was definitely worth it.
Black powder charge does not explode in the chamber unless you fail to seat the bullet. It actually has a gentler pressure curve and generally self limits pressure. The pressure on black powder slows the burn where as smokeless powder increases burn with pressure. (Not advised) You can verify this by pouring out equal lines of smokeless and black powder and doing an open air burn. The black powder will flash burn while the smokeless burns slowly.
Great point on Black Powder have separate hunting seasons. In NC you can hunt (2) weeks before the snipers hit the woods. Advantages; Deer aren't as spooked Less hunters Disadvantages: Weather issues, rain is your enemy Distance you can shoot Cleaning requirements Safety issues ( Don't put the 209 cap on until your in the stand or in position to shoot). I have hunted with MZ for years and it is my favorite form of hunting. One safety trick I have learn is to use your ram rod as an safety. When you load your MZ make sure you score ( mark) your ram rod for a loaded weapon. This comes into play WHEN you forgot if your MZ is loader or not. Morden day MZ ( inline ones) can be accessed by the breech to clean and checked. You don't want to double load or forget your MZ is loaded. Some people will fire a cap to prime their bore. It could be a bad day if you forget it is loaded. Great video both of you and thanks always for sharing your knowledge with us! Semper Fi
Good video as a refresher for me. I have pretty much forgotten everything I knew about my Kentucky Rifle. I built the kit in 1979, shot if some and even took it to the woods. I need a How to Size your ball 101. I can't recall what size I used back then, it's a .44 or .45. A .448 ball will not quite drop into the bore, no patch. I'm thinking a .440 with the patch. Powder charge 101 would be nice as well. It's like I'm starting over. After over 40 years it's time to take it back to the woods.
I have been shooting black powder for 40 years. I shoot period guns. Cap and ball. Hawken rifle mostly or some version. Thompson Center was my maker of choice untill the factory burned down. You can still get black powder but when you find it stock up. You can make your own but it is not as easy as it may seem on RUclips. You will never forget the smell of real black powder.
Good information. Many years ago my dad got a 1865Springfield from his brother who had a nice collection. We always used 4 f in it and never cleaned it but always went bang. Yes it is still in the family.
A lot of good information. Eric touched on measuring black powder by volume. The weights vary between different brands and types of black powder and black powder substitutes. For example, 20 grains of Goex FFFG does not weigh the same as 20 grains of Pyrodex-P or Triple-7 FFFG. Gun manufacturers usually provide loading data for their black powder firearms, as do the powder manufacturers.
Great informative training for us uneducated citizens for black powder and related weaponery! Thank you! I am 69 years old, so I was not in the 1845 military campaigns, darn it!
Thanks Eric & Mike great video. Eric has a wealth of knowledge, never heard of cut shotgun shells until I saw him and the late great Barry do their videos.
When I was in an explosives class I learned that the velocity of the burn of an explosive determines whether it is high explosive or just an explosive. So anfo has to have a high explosive to ignite it.
My dad swears by using Blackhorn 209 powder. Says it is just like regular gunpowder. Use sol event and oil to clean and lasts longer when storing. Have to use real shotgun primers, though. You guys should try it. My dad says it just works.
I use a mix of Murphy’s oil soap, hydrogen peroxide, and 90% isopropyl alcohol ( equal parts) mixed together. Add a few ounces to a quart of boiling water then clean away. Plug the flash port with tooth pick then completely fill the barrel and let soak for about an hour before cleaning.
I cleaned my silencerco maxim 50 with vinegar and didn't neutralize it with baking soda. So now it rusts immediately and very often. I check it weekly when I haven't shot it in a while. Daily for a week after I shoot it.
In Wi the deer rifle season is 1 week what ever you want and the 2nd week is muzzle loader only. I don't know anyone who does not use pellets/white hots.
Very good information in this! love my black powder guns. only exception to this vid would be is real Black Powder is easier to ignite than any substitute. Easy way to test this is shoot a flintlock!
I am curious about your statement that BP substitutes are easier to ignite than standard BP. ( @ 14:33) I've not found any that reliably go off in flintlocks, black powder seems the only choice. I do agree that the substitutes burn hotter.
Please consider that I love both of your channels and have been a sub since jumpstreet. However, I've playfully mentioned Eric's verbose nature once before in hopes that he would introspect at how off putting it can be to his viewers when he filibusters the conversation (not just me)...a little constructive feedback is all. With that I wish you all a safe and Merry Christmas!
You must be thinking of Nutnfancy. He could never do a "meltdown" video on a gun because he could not stop talking for long enough to run a gun that hard.
It's not picking on him... It's constructive... Informative.... Good advise... I like videos. I'm also and OG subscriber.. but I have always wanted to tell him the same thing. He does repeat himself numerously throughout his videos... He drags out unimportant aspects of what he's trying to talk about.. you will always be thinking get back on track throughout his videos.. filibustering is a good way to put it.. say what needs to be said and trust that you explained well the first don't need to expound or return to the same statement multiple times... A good friend never hesitates to give constructive criticism because it's difficult... I like the other man say what I say because I care.. and would like to help.. I believe content improve... With love and respect Eric
The 777 209 primers are not as hot as regular 209 shotgun primers. The regular 209's were found to push the load before ignition. That's why you will see inconsistencies. Sometimes it pushes the load sometimes not. So the 777 are loaded lighter to just ignite and not push.
Low Pressure 50 Caliber Smokeless Loads in a 209 Factory Muzzleloader, 2 DVD set | eBay These 2 DVDs contain a demonstration of using Low Pressure Smokeless Loads in a 50 caliber factory muzzleloader, that are equal to or less pressure than that of Blackhorn209.
I tried using the pyrodex in my .50 cal hawken rifle but the caps would not set it off... nothing wrong with nipple and access port. Had to pull bullet and pour it out of gun..... never had that problem with fff regular black powder.
A comment in response to someone comment for Eric... It's constructive... Informative.... Good advise... I like Eric's videos. I'm also and OG subscriber.. but I have always wanted to tell him the same thing. He does repeat himself numerously throughout his videos... He drags out unimportant aspects of what he's trying to talk about.. you will always be thinking get back on track throughout his videos.. filibustering is a good way to put it.. say what needs to be said and trust that you explained well the first time no need to expound or return to the same statement multiple times... A good friend never hesitates to give constructive criticism because it's difficult... I like the other man say what I say because I care.. and would like to help.. I believe content would improve... With caring and respect for Eric
got a cva wolf shooting two 50grain pettets with a powerbelt hollow point 295 grain also have 245 grain copper aero tip at 20 yards how high should i sight in to be dead on at 100 yards at 20 yards shooting at 20 yards is all i have in my back yard for both bullets please i has a konus shot scope 3by9by32 thanks deer season starts nov 7th with a muzzle loader in tn please all the help is appriciated cody
the flash suppressor ( flash deflector ) is to deflect the muzzle flash away from the sight picture of the shooters eye so that it doesn't night blind that area of the shooters sight picture when shooting at night or low light ! it doesn't and can't hide the flash from the enemy ! it only deflects the flash away from the top of the muzzle away from the shooters sight picture ! if it is installed correctly !
I'll admit I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but I caught something important: you indicated that substitutes are easier to ignite than standard black powder. I haven't found anyone so far in the comments who mentioned this, but this is, to my knowledge, incorrect. I have read, and I'll admit that I haven't done extra research on the topic, that BP ignites around 250 degrees, not sure if that was F or C (I have to guess C, seems low for F) and that it is closer to (again not sure if my memory serves me perfectly) 600 for substitutes. I do know this: I find it nearly impossible to use substitutes in a flintlock without some kind of booster charge of real black powder because the flash is simply not enough to reliably ignite substitutes. That's my primary reason for only using real black powder in a flint gun. I have noticed this with every substitute I have tried; they simply don't want to ignite without a booster charge. Maybe I missed something; I'm going back to the video now!
Yes, substitutes are pretty awful in flintlocks, and it is indeed due to the significantly higher ignition temperature of substitutes. The sparks coming off a frizzen are generally just not hot enough to ignite Pyrodex and the like. I've tried setting off Pyrodex P in the pans of both a flintlock pistol and my Pedersoli Bess, and I was lucky to set if off 1 time in 10 or so. I think it's a matter of occasionally getting a really hot spark that just happens to hit the powder at the right angle, moment, etc. Using a small initial charge of real black in the bore, as Benjamin suggests, behind a larger charge of substitute and then a tiny bit of real black in the pan is a time honored way of making your black powder supply go further, since most people have to order black powder online and can't just run down to the local gun shop to pick it up. Pyrodex, Triple 7, etc. can be bought easily at many gun shops or places like Cabela's, however. I've also noticed occasional delays of one degree or another with substitutes in old-style percussion guns that don't use musket nipples, whether a side lock rifle or pistol or a cap and ball revolver, whereas real black powder goes off instantly. Again, I think it's a case of the smaller #10 or #11 caps having a bit of trouble igniting the substitutes from time to time, though I've never had one completely fail to go off like with my flintlocks. I also believe the higher ignition temperature of substitutes is a part of why they are not classified the same way as real black powder, since they are more difficult to ignite, but I'm not sure.
You guys are really informative. I grew up around weapons I live here in Idaho now my father was from Idaho we lived in California for a long time my mother was from Idaho also we lived in California I moved back here when I was 19 on 50 years old now but there's always something I can learn I didn't know this about black powder myself particular but when asking my father about it he's like he knew all about it he just didn't teach it to us cuz he didn't think there was a point in it since they used modern projectiles and modern rounds or bullets or whatever. I currently don't have a gun myself haven't really been into it I'm not a big huge guy that's got to have guns. But I certainly don't think that you know gun should be banned either I think I think every American every household should have owned a weapon anyways but that's just my personal belief. But like I said thank you so much for the video keep making videos
Hey Eric... Would you be inclined to do a reloading video pertaining to copper plated bullets in popular calibers like 9mm ? Not a whole lot of info on copper plated loads.
Please spread the word: Since Tommy gun magazines are considered grandfathered by Congress. What firearm manufacturers make ARs that take Tommy gun magazines? Surefire and X products need to make magazines for Tommyguns that could also be used in ARs that take Tommygun magazines. Long live JMB!
You can, but the accuracy of your shots may be affected by the rate of twist of the barrel. 1:48 is considered intermediate twist, good for both conical style bullets and PRBs. Generally faster twist barrels are used for longer projectiles. PRBs shine with slower twists like 1:66, though I'm going mostly of of my experience with .50 cal rifles and the rule may be a bit faster twist for .45 cal. Best way to determine is to check your twist rate then take it out to the range and see how it shoots with different load / projectile combinations.
Good video but one correction needed. The pressure curve of Nitro powder spikes very quickly in and just ahead of the chamber area and then tails off as the bullet goes down the barrel. Which is why modern nitro Rifles have large reinforced barrel walls for the chamber area. BP can explode and go boom, instantaneous pressure if you have air spaces which is why you have to make certain that that the bullets are seated tight on the powder culum or that a sufficient number of over powder wads are used in BP rifle and shotgun cartridges. Making sure the bullet is seated firmly with no air spaces ensures that the powder column burns from the back end and the pressure doesn't spike as the entire load of bullet and powder accelerates up the barrel like a sky rocket. It also explains why you get less increases in velocity per increase in powder charge after about 80 - 90gr depending on the calibre / bullets etc.
i have a box of broken 30gr pyro pistol pellets. the full pellet is in its original slot so i wouldnt be guessing on the amount. could i crush up the broken ones into powder/granular form and use like loose powder?
I went to our local Wallyworld here in NM. They would not sell a black powder rifle with out a background check. I laughed and walked away. Bought black powder and a new Kimber at the LGS same day.
Hey man this is a long shot but I want to load 2f 777 30 grains into some once shot 45 colt with federal large pistol primers. Would it be okay to use a poly coated lead pill for these loads? Should I be using magnum primers? I want to stick with 777 because I heard it is much cleaner and doesn't foul as bad or smell like rotten egg farts.
Nice video! None of the powders I usually use (because of availability in my region) were rated. I usually use Go-ex as real black and triple 7 as substitute! In my experience those 2 also work fine just like the ones you presented! There's also a lot of shooters( not me yet) that make their own BP!
Questions - can I use two Pyrodex HODGDON 50 grain pellets in my CVA Kentucky percussion 50 cal.? Also, can I use the 245 gr. Powerbelt copper bullets? Thank you in advance for a reply,
I'm new to black powder S powder shooting I want to purchase my 1st rifle rifle for deer hunting. I want a traditional rifle. What would you recommend ?
Take a basic Muzzleloading class first. You'll shoot some of each and may find what you like most may surprise you. My current favorite starting pistol is a Colt Navy replica in .36. I always start my students with a modern inline in .50
I have a TC Hawkens 50 cal. and nobody but nobody carries the FFF or FF and I mean nobody. I've been told to never use a substitute, never. So what am I supposed to use to shoot this rifle?? Haven't shot it in about 40 years and really would like to get back to it if I can. Any good reliable advice would certainly be appreciated. Let me thank you in advance....
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Funny watching two guys who are used to talking on their own videos, trying to hold their tongue, and wait their turn. Lol
yup!
Like with his powder...Eric leaves no dead air gaps.
Tip: You have to signal him with your right hand in pointing like your going to mention something that he says. The way your body is positioned is not in a conversation stance. It’s kind of like him vs you. You have to go in to listening mode, and continue to ask him more questions, and not give your insight. He is really good at explaining things and over talks even chad sometimes.
да ладно они молодцы.
they did a good job in my mind
Just trying to share knowledge
If you want to reduce a 45-70 load to 50 grains, then you need to fill the rest of the cartridge with corn meal so that the base of the bullet is in contact, leaving no air space. If you're from the south, you can use grits.
No way??😂
Just make sure the gritz or cornmeal is pretty dry.
Thank you Mike. Just got my first muzzle loader last weekend. And found this 6 year old video.
I do hope yal can make a newer video with more up to date powders, such as BlackHorn 209 and 209 primers.
My 2 favorite channels together in a video! So much awesomeness RUclips can barely contain it
Thank you
Black powder corning/grain size general guidelines.
Fg=cannon/artillery powder
FFg=rifle powder (can sometimes be used in big bore pistols)
FFFg=pistol powder (can be used in rifles and carbines)
FFFFg=priming powder (to be used in flash pans of wheelocks, flintlocks and matchlocks)
I have cannon powder in an old pre Goex can,same colors on tin can. In Maine there are black powder gun clubs that have cannons. That Swiss and Scheutzen is good.
And don't go shopping for 'a' grade powder instead of 'g'. Anything with an 'a' at the end is used for blasting charges or fireworks instead of firearms and is much coarser in granule size (5Fa is the same grain size as 3Fg).
The Savage 10 ML muzzleloader uses smokeless powder. However, you do have to use the right kind and amount of smokeless powder.
Blackhorn 209 is a hybrid powder made up of nitrocellulose (smokeless powder) and Guanidine Nitrate.
The most dangerous part of any muzzleloader problem is found between the shooter's ears.
I looked up "Black Powder", but the auto correct changed it to "Black Pounder".
Couldn't be happier.
how do you think they make the whole "who needs a girlfriend" thing work?
Blackpowder seems like alot of trouble and overly complicated. Don't be discouraged, you'll learn quick. All the accoutrements and rituals that go with shooting it becomes second nature and very enjoyable. It's like shooting Zen. Slows the world down. In many states hunting with blackpowder allows a hunter to get out in very early seasons around the same time as bow hunters. Anyone looking for real black powder in Colorado, the Mountain Man Shop in Manitou Springs carries it.
I'm having a 35 year later resurgence of my enjoyment with black powder guns.Revolvers,Break open long cartridge arms,canons.I find it about 20% energy of smokeless.Current fringe is 12 gauge .69 balls with 100 grains of homemade black behind it for serious plinking.
Super cheap to shoot when you pour your own lead.
I find that Pyrodex is harder to light off than BP. And Stainless has been a godsend with my black powder adventures.The #11 caps often fall off the # 10 stainless nipples.
You can get BP online for around $8 a pound,but you must designate that it is used for sporting purposes and not fireworks.From my understanding,BATFE limits residential storage to 50lbs.
You guys did pretty good for a BP primer!Thanks.
Old video but I'll comment anyway. There is real good information here. I am purchasing an 1860 army revolver just because they look cool and the history, of course. I'm no stranger to firearms but black powder is new to me. I found this video as part of my research before ordering supplies. Thanks for putting this out there. Very relevant to me.
Oh, and I've been a long time subscriber to both your channels.
I don't know anything about black powder and honestly don't have much interest in it. But Mrgunsngear and IV8888 together I have no choice but to watch and enjoy. Thanks guys!
Thank you
Great video guys!!!!! I thought that you covered the subject masterfully. I personally am someone who shoots a lot of black powder for all of the reasons that you mentioned and I found it very worth while!!!! Keep up the great work.
Black powder ignites quicker than most substitutes. This is easily seen in a flintlock. Tried this the first time I shot my rifle. Was able to fire twice in an hour. Flintlocks, stay with actual black powder (especially in the pan).
If you do use a substitute in the main charge of a flintlock, it's a good idea to fill the first 10-15 grains with genuine black powder before loading it the rest of the way with the substitute. That 'kicker' charge will be hot enough to set off the stuff.
Just don't keep it there for long-term storage. There's a reason they say don't mix genuine black powder and substitutes together in the same can. The sulfur in black powder increases the shock sensitivity of the perchlorate in substitutes, especially if moisture acidifies that sulfur.
I'm just waiting for Eric to figure out a Black Powder load that will function an AR15 .. adjustable gas block.. buffer spring.. I know it's coming some day.. lmfao..
P.s that 1980's sexy symbol on the shirts is so tacticool! Tim is gonna love this!
Unfortunately black powder semi autos are not possible.
Ummm....300 aac blackout.
@@frankmcgarry3155 They are indeed possible, just not advisable.
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Would most probably take a duplex type of hybrid load of both a small charge of smokeless powder under a larger quantity of black powder.
Very helpful and educational. Thanks guys, love both of your channels.
Good presentation, but I think twist rates need to be mentioned, conicals need a faster twist rate of 1:28, though it could still be effective with a 1:48 twist, while round balls need a twist rate of 1:60, but could work from 1:48. Some manufacturers build rifles with a 1:48 twist to accomodate both types of projectiles. My CVA Hawken Woodsman is one example with a 1:48 twist, but I prefer round balls, it seems to load much easier and I get a fair accuracy with it.
Have to measure black powder and substitutes by volume because substitutes weigh different by volume than black powder. 35 grains of Black Powder by volume will weigh a lot more than 35 grains by volume of pyrodex but with same power. If you measure by weight you will get substantially more pyrodex by volume than Black powder. Which would make a much hotter load and might not even fit into the cylinder if used in a cap and ball revolver
Loved it! I really enjoy your channel. It’s great to see you doing things beyond the AR.
I do TONS of videos besides ARs (probably 80% of my channel). Problem is---the AR videos get 2x more videos than anything else.
Great video, only thing I saw that is misinformation would be that “substitutes are easier to ignite than black powder”. Black powder is much more reactive to ignition than substitutes which is why I as a traditional cap and ball hunter won’t use any substitutes. The stuff doesn’t have nearly as reliable as black powder
Perfect timing just got a Kentucky long rifle as my first black powder gun this video helped a lot... Thanks to the both of you
You're welcome 👍🏽
Due to the lack of components for reloading I learned to make my own black powder. One of the first things I learned was that it is not actually called black powder, it's called gun powder. Modern powder is called smokeless powder. The fun for me was making charcoal from different woods and trying to make the fastest powder I could. It is not as dirty as simulated powders and is quite powerful. Caps are next. I also tried different methods to granulate the powder. For instance I found that corning the powder does makes a denser powder but the extra work wasn't worth it for me.
One of the best tips I've seen for reloading caps is that you should cut out a circle from a match striker strip that can lay down flat against the bottom of the primer cup, before filling the cup up with match head powder. much more reliable than scraping the powder off the strip and mixing them.
Awesome! You guys just answered my question about loading black powder into .45 Colt for Uberti Cattleman! Thank you!
Eric & Mike are great Americans. Love the Tim tee shirts!
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Wow, very enlightening. I am new to black powder, and I didn't realize how much is involved with it. Watching your video, I learned a lot, and was impressed at your level of knowledge and ability to explain it in a clear and thorough way. Not sure if black powder will be my new favorite hobby, but at least I have a better understanding of it. Thanks so much for taking the time to make this video. It was definitely worth it.
Black powder charge does not explode in the chamber unless you fail to seat the bullet. It actually has a gentler pressure curve and generally self limits pressure. The pressure on black powder slows the burn where as smokeless powder increases burn with pressure. (Not advised) You can verify this by pouring out equal lines of smokeless and black powder and doing an open air burn. The black powder will flash burn while the smokeless burns slowly.
Eric and Tim, both you guys are awesome.
concur
agreed, Awesome Show
Just started getting into black powder firearms. This video was super helpful thank you
You're welcome 👍🏽
Great point on Black Powder have separate hunting seasons. In NC you can hunt (2) weeks before the snipers hit the woods. Advantages;
Deer aren't as spooked
Less hunters
Disadvantages:
Weather issues, rain is your enemy
Distance you can shoot
Cleaning requirements
Safety issues ( Don't put the 209 cap on until your in the stand or in position to shoot).
I have hunted with MZ for years and it is my favorite form of hunting. One safety trick I have learn is to use your ram rod as an safety. When you load your MZ make sure you score ( mark) your ram rod for a loaded weapon. This comes into play WHEN you forgot if your MZ is loader or not.
Morden day MZ ( inline ones) can be accessed by the breech to clean and checked. You don't want to double load or forget your MZ is loaded. Some people will fire a cap to prime their bore. It could be a bad day if you forget it is loaded.
Great video both of you and thanks always for sharing your knowledge with us!
Semper Fi
I have a Ruger Old Army coming tomorrow. Going to read up as much as I can about blackpowder. This video helped, thanks!
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Good video as a refresher for me. I have pretty much forgotten everything I knew about my Kentucky Rifle. I built the kit in 1979, shot if some and even took it to the woods. I need a How to Size your ball 101. I can't recall what size I used back then, it's a .44 or .45. A .448 ball will not quite drop into the bore, no patch. I'm thinking a .440 with the patch. Powder charge 101 would be nice as well. It's like I'm starting over. After over 40 years it's time to take it back to the woods.
I have been shooting black powder for 40 years. I shoot period guns. Cap and ball. Hawken rifle mostly or some version. Thompson Center was my maker of choice untill the factory burned down. You can still get black powder but when you find it stock up. You can make your own but it is not as easy as it may seem on RUclips. You will never forget the smell of real black powder.
Good information. Many years ago my dad got a 1865Springfield from his brother who had a nice collection. We always used 4 f in it and never cleaned it but always went bang. Yes it is still in the family.
You put 4f priming powder in a Springfield Rifled Musket? I’m surprised the thing didn’t turn into a pipe bomb...
Thanks for the info. I am just starting Muzzleloading and this was very helpful.
A lot of good information. Eric touched on measuring black powder by volume. The weights vary between different brands and types of black powder and black powder substitutes. For example, 20 grains of Goex FFFG does not weigh the same as 20 grains of Pyrodex-P or Triple-7 FFFG. Gun manufacturers usually provide loading data for their black powder firearms, as do the powder manufacturers.
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I always use Ballistol in my BP guns before leaving the field.
This is a great video with much great information. Thank you. May you both enjoy great success in the coming year.
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The dream team of gun video guys!
Great informative training for us uneducated citizens for black powder and related weaponery! Thank you! I am 69 years old, so I was not in the 1845 military campaigns, darn it!
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Thanks Eric & Mike great video. Eric has a wealth of knowledge, never heard of cut shotgun shells until I saw him and the late great Barry do their videos.
indeed he does
Eric, we need a 45-70 loading vid! BP and smokeless.
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Love the vid, it’s just funny seeing/hearing Eric “schooling” someone who knows probably the most about firearms on RUclips.
Thank you; everyone has their niche
Nice Tim shirts
MAC looks so different in the picture though
The size of the head on the shirt = the size of the man wearing it. Good work guys
When I was in an explosives class I learned that the velocity of the burn of an explosive determines whether it is high explosive or just an explosive. So anfo has to have a high explosive to ignite it.
I suggest that you check up the pressure curves of the powders ! Black powders build up pressure SLOWER, not faster.
Finally!!!!! A great video awesome job guys!
My dad swears by using Blackhorn 209 powder. Says it is just like regular gunpowder. Use sol event and oil to clean and lasts longer when storing. Have to use real shotgun primers, though. You guys should try it. My dad says it just works.
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I use a mix of Murphy’s oil soap, hydrogen peroxide, and 90% isopropyl alcohol ( equal parts) mixed together. Add a few ounces to a quart of boiling water then clean away. Plug the flash port with tooth pick then completely fill the barrel and let soak for about an hour before cleaning.
We have a Black powder Gun shop here, and can by anything we want.
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I'm here after I found Dave Canterbury's videos on using a single shot 12 gauge as a muzzleloader
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I cleaned my silencerco maxim 50 with vinegar and didn't neutralize it with baking soda. So now it rusts immediately and very often. I check it weekly when I haven't shot it in a while. Daily for a week after I shoot it.
In Wi the deer rifle season is 1 week what ever you want and the 2nd week is muzzle loader only. I don't know anyone who does not use pellets/white hots.
Real black powder hunting died years ago. The inlines ruined everything. Imo
Very good information in this! love my black powder guns. only exception to this vid would be is real Black Powder is easier to ignite than any substitute. Easy way to test this is shoot a flintlock!
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I am curious about your statement that BP substitutes are easier to ignite than standard BP. ( @ 14:33) I've not found any that reliably go off in flintlocks, black powder seems the only choice. I do agree that the substitutes burn hotter.
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Good stuff as always guys. Thank you so much for sharing.
Eric to Mike: "hey mike, wanna pop by my channel and just stand there while I talk for 30 minutes? Chad does it all of the time
in all fairness it's not my area of expertise so best to let folks that know things talk
Please consider that I love both of your channels and have been a sub since jumpstreet. However, I've playfully mentioned Eric's verbose nature once before in hopes that he would introspect at how off putting it can be to his viewers when he filibusters the conversation (not just me)...a little constructive feedback is all. With that I wish you all a safe and Merry Christmas!
You must be thinking of Nutnfancy. He could never do a "meltdown" video on a gun because he could not stop talking for long enough to run a gun that hard.
Stop picking on the hardest working and arguably "the original" gun and gear reviewer on RUclips...shame on you fella... Merry Christmas!
It's not picking on him... It's constructive... Informative.... Good advise... I like videos. I'm also and OG subscriber.. but I have always wanted to tell him the same thing. He does repeat himself numerously throughout his videos... He drags out unimportant aspects of what he's trying to talk about.. you will always be thinking get back on track throughout his videos.. filibustering is a good way to put it.. say what needs to be said and trust that you explained well the first don't need to expound or return to the same statement multiple times... A good friend never hesitates to give constructive criticism because it's difficult... I like the other man say what I say because I care.. and would like to help.. I believe content improve... With love and respect Eric
The 777 209 primers are not as hot as regular 209 shotgun primers. The regular 209's were found to push the load before ignition. That's why you will see inconsistencies. Sometimes it pushes the load sometimes not. So the 777 are loaded lighter to just ignite and not push.
Awesome video. Thank you so much. I learned a few things I did not know. Great job!!!😎👍
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MrGunsandgear and Eric,
I REALLY appreciate your comments and opinions on the round table. I live local to Moss (Eric) and try and support it.
thanks for your support
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These 2 DVDs contain a demonstration of using Low Pressure Smokeless Loads in a 50 caliber factory muzzleloader, that are equal to or less pressure than that of Blackhorn209.
I tried using the pyrodex in my .50 cal hawken rifle but the caps would not set it off... nothing wrong with nipple and access port. Had to pull bullet and pour it out of gun..... never had that problem with fff regular black powder.
I cant bring myself to use pyrodex. If I couldn't find Blackpowder in my area maybe I'd change my tune. But I can buy it in my area.
Holy Eric nerd-out. Haha. Generally enjoying watching someone nerd-out on most subjects :)
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A comment in response to someone comment for Eric... It's constructive... Informative.... Good advise... I like Eric's videos. I'm also and OG subscriber.. but I have always wanted to tell him the same thing. He does repeat himself numerously throughout his videos... He drags out unimportant aspects of what he's trying to talk about.. you will always be thinking get back on track throughout his videos.. filibustering is a good way to put it.. say what needs to be said and trust that you explained well the first time no need to expound or return to the same statement multiple times... A good friend never hesitates to give constructive criticism because it's difficult... I like the other man say what I say because I care.. and would like to help.. I believe content would improve... With caring and respect for Eric
got a cva wolf shooting two 50grain pettets with a powerbelt hollow point 295 grain also have 245 grain copper aero tip at 20 yards how high should i sight in to be dead on at 100 yards at 20 yards shooting at 20 yards is all i have in my back yard for both bullets please i has a konus shot scope 3by9by32 thanks deer season starts nov 7th with a muzzle loader in tn please all the help is appriciated cody
Love my Civil War Pedersoli 1861 2 band Enfield.A faithful replica.
the flash suppressor ( flash deflector ) is to deflect the muzzle flash away from the sight picture of the shooters eye so that it doesn't night blind that area of the shooters sight picture when shooting at night or low light ! it doesn't and can't hide the flash from the enemy ! it only deflects the flash away from the top of the muzzle away from the shooters sight picture ! if it is installed correctly !
I'll admit I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but I caught something important: you indicated that substitutes are easier to ignite than standard black powder. I haven't found anyone so far in the comments who mentioned this, but this is, to my knowledge, incorrect. I have read, and I'll admit that I haven't done extra research on the topic, that BP ignites around 250 degrees, not sure if that was F or C (I have to guess C, seems low for F) and that it is closer to (again not sure if my memory serves me perfectly) 600 for substitutes. I do know this: I find it nearly impossible to use substitutes in a flintlock without some kind of booster charge of real black powder because the flash is simply not enough to reliably ignite substitutes. That's my primary reason for only using real black powder in a flint gun. I have noticed this with every substitute I have tried; they simply don't want to ignite without a booster charge. Maybe I missed something; I'm going back to the video now!
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Yes, substitutes are pretty awful in flintlocks, and it is indeed due to the significantly higher ignition temperature of substitutes. The sparks coming off a frizzen are generally just not hot enough to ignite Pyrodex and the like. I've tried setting off Pyrodex P in the pans of both a flintlock pistol and my Pedersoli Bess, and I was lucky to set if off 1 time in 10 or so. I think it's a matter of occasionally getting a really hot spark that just happens to hit the powder at the right angle, moment, etc. Using a small initial charge of real black in the bore, as Benjamin suggests, behind a larger charge of substitute and then a tiny bit of real black in the pan is a time honored way of making your black powder supply go further, since most people have to order black powder online and can't just run down to the local gun shop to pick it up. Pyrodex, Triple 7, etc. can be bought easily at many gun shops or places like Cabela's, however. I've also noticed occasional delays of one degree or another with substitutes in old-style percussion guns that don't use musket nipples, whether a side lock rifle or pistol or a cap and ball revolver, whereas real black powder goes off instantly. Again, I think it's a case of the smaller #10 or #11 caps having a bit of trouble igniting the substitutes from time to time, though I've never had one completely fail to go off like with my flintlocks. I also believe the higher ignition temperature of substitutes is a part of why they are not classified the same way as real black powder, since they are more difficult to ignite, but I'm not sure.
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Didn’t expect this one, love it!
You guys are really informative. I grew up around weapons I live here in Idaho now my father was from Idaho we lived in California for a long time my mother was from Idaho also we lived in California I moved back here when I was 19 on 50 years old now but there's always something I can learn I didn't know this about black powder myself particular but when asking my father about it he's like he knew all about it he just didn't teach it to us cuz he didn't think there was a point in it since they used modern projectiles and modern rounds or bullets or whatever. I currently don't have a gun myself haven't really been into it I'm not a big huge guy that's got to have guns. But I certainly don't think that you know gun should be banned either I think I think every American every household should have owned a weapon anyways but that's just my personal belief. But like I said thank you so much for the video keep making videos
In Idaho you can't use the 209 promers or pellets. You have to use percussion caps. No scope. Just open sights. No electronics of any kind.
Hey Eric... Would you be inclined to do a reloading video pertaining to copper plated bullets in popular calibers like 9mm ? Not a whole lot of info on copper plated loads.
Aren't in line muzzleloaders in many cases more accurate at range than alot of center or rimfire modern riffles?
.30-40 Krag had 40 grains of smokeless powder. The cartridge was designed specifically for smokeless.
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That was informative, fun and really helpful. Thanks
And I have a question. Can you make your own conical or ball bullet and stuff it down a newer on-line muzzleloader of you had to?
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Since Tommy gun magazines are considered grandfathered by Congress. What firearm manufacturers make ARs that take Tommy gun magazines?
Surefire and X products need to make magazines for Tommyguns that could also be used in ARs that take Tommygun magazines.
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I have a CVA 45 cal flintlock Pennsylvania rifle. Can you fire maxi balls through it? I'm new to the black powder world of shooting
yes with a 10th patch greased and 60-80 grain of pyrodex
You can, but the accuracy of your shots may be affected by the rate of twist of the barrel. 1:48 is considered intermediate twist, good for both conical style bullets and PRBs. Generally faster twist barrels are used for longer projectiles. PRBs shine with slower twists like 1:66, though I'm going mostly of of my experience with .50 cal rifles and the rule may be a bit faster twist for .45 cal. Best way to determine is to check your twist rate then take it out to the range and see how it shoots with different load / projectile combinations.
I am getting into black powder and have a question: does the powder run out of the nipple when you seat the lead in the cylinder?
Good video but one correction needed. The pressure curve of Nitro powder spikes very quickly in and just ahead of the chamber area and then tails off as the bullet goes down the barrel. Which is why modern nitro Rifles have large reinforced barrel walls for the chamber area. BP can explode and go boom, instantaneous pressure if you have air spaces which is why you have to make certain that that the bullets are seated tight on the powder culum or that a sufficient number of over powder wads are used in BP rifle and shotgun cartridges. Making sure the bullet is seated firmly with no air spaces ensures that the powder column burns from the back end and the pressure doesn't spike as the entire load of bullet and powder accelerates up the barrel like a sky rocket. It also explains why you get less increases in velocity per increase in powder charge after about 80 - 90gr depending on the calibre / bullets etc.
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i have a box of broken 30gr pyro pistol pellets. the full pellet is in its original slot so i wouldnt be guessing on the amount. could i crush up the broken ones into powder/granular form and use like loose powder?
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I went to our local Wallyworld here in NM. They would not sell a black powder rifle with out a background check. I laughed and walked away. Bought black powder and a new Kimber at the LGS same day.
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Hey man this is a long shot but I want to load 2f 777 30 grains into some once shot 45 colt with federal large pistol primers. Would it be okay to use a poly coated lead pill for these loads? Should I be using magnum primers? I want to stick with 777 because I heard it is much cleaner and doesn't foul as bad or smell like rotten egg farts.
Thanks for the education. GREAT JOB! I may buy that Remington 1858.
Here in oregon I have to use musket cap primer and thor hammer full bore
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Great video! Thanks for all the information.
Nice video! None of the powders I usually use (because of availability in my region) were rated. I usually use Go-ex as real black and triple 7 as substitute! In my experience those 2 also work fine just like the ones you presented! There's also a lot of shooters( not me yet) that make their own BP!
Questions - can I use two Pyrodex HODGDON 50 grain pellets in my CVA Kentucky percussion 50 cal.? Also, can I use the 245 gr. Powerbelt copper bullets? Thank you in advance for a reply,
Very interesting video with good educational information,..thanks very much for this one.
I'm new to black powder S powder shooting I want to purchase my 1st rifle rifle for deer hunting. I want a traditional rifle. What would you recommend ?
What would you recommend as a first gun if your getting started on black powder shooting?
Take a basic Muzzleloading class first. You'll shoot some of each and may find what you like most may surprise you. My current favorite starting pistol is a Colt Navy replica in .36. I always start my students with a modern inline in .50
Love those shirts great video good to see yall in one together
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I have a TC Hawkens 50 cal. and nobody but nobody carries the FFF or FF and I mean nobody. I've been told to never use a substitute, never. So what am I supposed to use to shoot this rifle?? Haven't shot it in about 40 years and really would like to get back to it if I can. Any good reliable advice would certainly be appreciated. Let me thank you in advance....