To be fair, I’ve entertained the likely catalysts that could lead to a MSTR collapse. The one that comes to mind the most, is the potential nationalization of the company’s BTC. Is it likely or even possible? I don’t know. Does it sound like something that a corrupt government suffering from extreme FOMO would do when they realize they’ve entered the game in the fourth quarter after a single company has amassed 10% or more of the overall supply? Yes. It absolutely sounds like something they would TRY to do. With that being said, my entire 401(k) has been in MSTR since October of 2021 and I don’t plan on changing that any time soon. Investment involves risk. I accept the risk.
Regarding MSTR bitcoin now has to fall from between 15-18,000 for for 5 years for MSTR to be any risk of going bankrupt, given the structure of their convertible debt etc
Re: his BIP, it seems a bit disingenuous to me for John to portray the current decimal placement for BTC/Bitcoin as "wrong". Satoshi himself referred to "21 million coins" in early emails (2009 and 2010, at least). IDK whether popularizing the "2.1 quadrillion [units]" meme would help or hinder adoption on balance. (I think there'd be helpful and hindering unit biases in both cases.) But changing the usage of already widespread units seems problematic to me.
When we reach sat penny parity wouldn’t we have a use for micro transactions for streaming and such? I don’t understand the dismissal of wanting to transact micro
That will not happen because no one would price in dollars anymore if they were so devalued. More importantly Bitcoin's 2.1 quadrillion units is already more units than all the fiats in all the world. We just dont need more than that.
He talked about Mstr, like my banker talks about Bitcoin. Just trash it with dumb arguments. I prefer sats and people will put a nickname in every country. In my country Dollars Are Cocos. Because the 1 dollar Bill has George Washington , and the popular nickname for all Georges is Coco.( coconut) in spanish
@ 30% of my stack is in Mstr. When bitcoin pumps I am happy, when Bitcoin doesn’t pump I am happy too, because my Mstr General Manager has orders to stack sats like a psychopath. And if Bitcoin is cheap we get to buy more. I don’t have a problem losing 15% of my stack if the premium dies with this low risk strategy that can make me double my Bitcoin holdings.
@@BitcoinErrorLog - your videos suck because it’s neither fun or particularly entertaining. So you jump in the comments and tell people how “they should have interpreted” it instead of thanking people for their feedback. Relax man. People are just providing some free feedback.
The student came and sat in front of the Zen master one day. He said master my identity is troubled and my identity has no peace. The Zen master said go and meditate and then bring me your identity and I will give it peace. The student went away meditated for a long time. He went back and sat in front of the master. Master the student said…No matter how much I meditated I couldn’t find my identity!!! SO!!!…said the master…I have given you peace.🐇
Thanks! Your video calms me down everyday I watch it when the market is pumping! I'm going with your insights. It makes the most sense with where we are at in the cycle. The only thing that would make me think this cycle could be slightly different is the overall increased adoption of crypto since 2019 and all the hype with the BTC/ETH ETF speculation. Could the market stay held up this cycle by the anticipation of ETFs and the overall awareness that a bull run is here. The surge is speculated to possibly be the beginning of a massive new uptrend, making it a crucial time for investors to pay attention, I've personally benefited from following Alison Bruce trading tactics, amassing 23 bitcoins in a short four weeks period, which speaks volumes about her expertise....
Trusting Mrs Bruce with my investments was one of the best decisions I made. She offers the flexibility to monitor your investments and request payouts whenever you need.
The best for Bitcoin is that all powerfull entities in the planet embrace it and love it. I want my bitcoin sitting around Kings not Around the chickens of the plebs.
In my opinion, Millisats make perfect sense in a machine-2-machine payment network world, where the value of nanoservices need to be accounted for. It makes sense to implement that as credit layer in the lightning or above layers.
@@mixedmedia512 Did you read machine 2 machine payments? Whatever. And yes, I would, if it was super convenient and easy. The whole idea here is to bring the cost of billing so much down that such payment models would become feasible. If that really is then used for buying sips of soda? Probably not. But I would not block innovation because you don't think there is merit in this. The market can decide. It is not us deciding this fortunately.
@@orangeuhrwerk Bitcoin brings costs of money up, not down, due to its security benefits and lack of ability to scale. Note that people do not even use nanopayments in TRUSTED systems because they are to inconvenient. It will NEVER happen in bitcoin in any meaningful volume.
lol the idea that Trump would be the president to bring in unrealized capital gains is a joke. Sure, and maybe gravity will start working in reverse and we’ll all float into space 🤦♂️😂
@ no I did not notice that it was just speculation. I’m not really sure how my comment has anything to do with MSTR when what I commented on was unrealized capital gains taxes being brought in by Trump. That’s an oddly reactive comment by you and I can see you’re making your rounds on the comment section. Can’t handle the heat? Maybe stay out of the kitchen 🤷♂️
I like this guy. His takes are accurate. MSTR will get rugged in my opinion, it's only a matter of time. Insolvency, custodian hack or government coercion are all potential points of failure.
Sometimes people get so caught up in technical jargon and then show their ignorance when they fail to adequately explain the jargon. In this case, the acronym BIP refers to 'Bitcoin Improvement Proposal' ... ok, lets carry on... and see if there are any other idiosyncrasies.
I get chased out of forums for saying what the guest said about aligning Bitcoin with the system. I've given up on these people and have chosen other ways to hedge. Bitcoin maximalism aligned with The State is a trap.
@HeSpeaks-u9w Overtaxation, restriction of address generation, mandatory private key surrender to name a few. Government has an MO so I don't trust them not to screw with BTC. While it's true that if they can do that to Bitcoin, they can do it to all platforms, I think it'll be a "napster" problem for them. Then again, government forcing its hand too aggressively, that could be the same. I basically hedge with mostly defi facilitation.
Bitcoin is limited to 21 million with 3-4 million lost. MicroStrategy as a shareholder I say buy more bitcoin! Sell more 0% interest Bond’s and buy more Bitcoin. Bond Market Valuations United States 41 Trillion Worldwide 171 Trillion “ As long as Bitcoin had no bottom, Bitcoin has no top”. There are no federal reserve funds, including Social Security, which was borrowed by the federal reserve. Baby boomers are retiring, and the system is broke. The checks will come from borrowed money as most of our spending dies too.
I'm always amazed at people who have no significant accomplishments always seem to trash visionaries like Michael Saylor, Elon Musk and etc. If they know so much , why aren't they successful.
Totally. How one part of his verbal barf session created any clarity on anything. A grifter moving deck chairs around on the crypto verse using 4 pages of words to make a two sentence point…. While he tries “not to confuse” normies. Talks about bips like he’s reading every hardware wallet instructional manual 😂 Base level cryptography and Bitcoin 101 like he’s actually doing anything of value.
@@BitcoinErrorLog - you are actually completely incoherent. And nobody surely cares what if any point you are making. But looks like disagreeing with you gets someone blocked which is surely the sign of a deep intellect to explain bips / BTC / and what MSTR is doing. “I surely blocked you first” lol. Very mature. And I don’t know either one of you guys.
@@BitcoinErrorLog - looking at your channel (a few videos 7 yrs ago with 2k subs - including vid with Roger Ver). Are you one of those block wars era nitwits that forked yourselves into bitcoin cash. Roger Ver is delusional. FFD circa 2025. Roger lost. Bitcoin cash is a shitcoin, and the govt has some questions on taxes. So “obviously” the CIA is involved 😂
@@BitcoinErrorLog If you're gonna FUD people about MSTR, you've got to substantiate how possibly the government could do that. From everything I know and have studied, Saylor is playing perfectly within the capital markets system, there is no basis for this particular FUD and doom fantasy.
@@BitcoinErrorLog The thing about America that makes it great is that there is a very strong rule of law here. The Biden misadventure into lawfare has been stopped by the Trump mandate. America wins on rule of law, and rule of law makes these extravagant adverse scenarios about MSTR pure FUD with no basis in reality.
Always hard watching Jon do a podcast. Ultimate pessimist !
I am a discerning optimist.
Man this guy rolls his eyes at everything
Only obnoxious things.
Did you reply to every negative comment?
But he has the worst sort of attitude that only the worst behaving engineers can manage😂
I do not understand your grammar here.
The sacrifice will be all the normies that don’t hold Bitcoin. They will take the pain this time.
It is their turn .
Not yet. Saylor is gonna blow up.
@ I wouldn’t bet on that, he didn’t blew up at 16K
@@Rokvtm BTC going down hard since $108k. $80k and lower is a guarantee.
@@John-wf5if Been Here since 2017. There’s nothing guaranteed here. But your attitude is marking a bottom
@@Rokvtm Nowhere near the bottom. Book it.
To be fair, I’ve entertained the likely catalysts that could lead to a MSTR collapse. The one that comes to mind the most, is the potential nationalization of the company’s BTC. Is it likely or even possible? I don’t know. Does it sound like something that a corrupt government suffering from extreme FOMO would do when they realize they’ve entered the game in the fourth quarter after a single company has amassed 10% or more of the overall supply? Yes. It absolutely sounds like something they would TRY to do. With that being said, my entire 401(k) has been in MSTR since October of 2021 and I don’t plan on changing that any time soon. Investment involves risk. I accept the risk.
Regarding MSTR bitcoin now has to fall from between 15-18,000 for for 5 years for MSTR to be any risk of going bankrupt, given the structure of their convertible debt etc
Absolutely.
Bitcoin Might go to 70K.
250K by end of 2025.
(DCA)
@@richardjanes5452the chance BTC going to 250k is much higher than BTC going to 70k in 2025.
Re: his BIP, it seems a bit disingenuous to me for John to portray the current decimal placement for BTC/Bitcoin as "wrong". Satoshi himself referred to "21 million coins" in early emails (2009 and 2010, at least).
IDK whether popularizing the "2.1 quadrillion [units]" meme would help or hinder adoption on balance. (I think there'd be helpful and hindering unit biases in both cases.) But changing the usage of already widespread units seems problematic to me.
Did you read the BIP? It is an optional aesthetic change that some apps already use.
When we reach sat penny parity wouldn’t we have a use for micro transactions for streaming and such? I don’t understand the dismissal of wanting to transact micro
That will not happen because no one would price in dollars anymore if they were so devalued. More importantly Bitcoin's 2.1 quadrillion units is already more units than all the fiats in all the world. We just dont need more than that.
He talked about Mstr, like my banker talks about Bitcoin.
Just trash it with dumb arguments.
I prefer sats and people will put a nickname in every country.
In my country Dollars Are Cocos. Because the 1 dollar Bill has George Washington , and the popular nickname for all Georges is Coco.( coconut) in spanish
We were speculating for fun, relax.
The dude's such a negative Nancy
@
30% of my stack is in Mstr.
When bitcoin pumps I am happy, when Bitcoin doesn’t pump I am happy too, because my Mstr General Manager has orders to stack sats like a psychopath.
And if Bitcoin is cheap we get to buy more.
I don’t have a problem losing 15% of my stack if the premium dies with this low risk strategy that can make me double my Bitcoin holdings.
@@BitcoinErrorLog - your videos suck because it’s neither fun or particularly entertaining. So you jump in the comments and tell people how “they should have interpreted” it instead of thanking people for their feedback. Relax man. People are just providing some free feedback.
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The student came and sat in front of the Zen master one day. He said master my identity is troubled and my identity has no peace. The Zen master said go and meditate and then bring me your identity and I will give it peace. The student went away meditated for a long time.
He went back and sat in front of the master. Master the student said…No matter how much I meditated I couldn’t find my identity!!!
SO!!!…said the master…I have given you peace.🐇
Your identity is your reputation. It is formed by actions with witnesses.
Thanks! Your video calms me down everyday I watch it when the market is pumping! I'm going with your insights. It makes the most sense with where we are at in the cycle. The only thing that would make me think this cycle could be slightly different is the overall increased adoption of crypto since 2019 and all the hype with the BTC/ETH ETF speculation. Could the market stay held up this cycle by the anticipation of ETFs and the overall awareness that a bull run is here. The surge is speculated to possibly be the beginning of a massive new uptrend, making it a crucial time for investors to pay attention, I've personally benefited from following Alison Bruce trading tactics, amassing 23 bitcoins in a short four weeks period, which speaks volumes about her expertise....
Got a chance to benefit from her services a few weeks ago and it has been a very smooth experience.
I’ve seen many positive comments about Alison Bruce. Can someone guide me on how to reach her?
The fact that i got to learn and earn from her program is everything to me think about it, it's a win win for both ways
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The best for Bitcoin is that all powerfull entities in the planet embrace it and love it. I want my bitcoin sitting around Kings not
Around the chickens of the plebs.
This guy is a creeeeeep im out
Dont be mad that i blocked you, you deserved it
Why are they saying "master" instead of M-S-T-R?
Guess why.
@BitcoinErrorLog no
what happened to that Will guy from the warmode cast? He rules.
The sacrifice this cycle will be shit coin holders when “alt season” doesn’t actually happen.
15:08 Can we see Bitkeys Source Code? Like we do Bitcoin? Can we develope and engineer Our Own Bitkey Wallet? More? Thanks ~
In my opinion, Millisats make perfect sense in a machine-2-machine payment network world, where the value of nanoservices need to be accounted for. It makes sense to implement that as credit layer in the lightning or above layers.
There is no such thing as nanoservices, because they cost more to provide than it is worth. Credit layers have no need to be in bitcoin systems.
@BitcoinErrorLog if you say so. I keep my opinion about this. Time will tell.
@@orangeuhrwerk would you pay for a soda by each sip?
@@mixedmedia512 Did you read machine 2 machine payments? Whatever. And yes, I would, if it was super convenient and easy. The whole idea here is to bring the cost of billing so much down that such payment models would become feasible. If that really is then used for buying sips of soda? Probably not. But I would not block innovation because you don't think there is merit in this. The market can decide. It is not us deciding this fortunately.
@@orangeuhrwerk Bitcoin brings costs of money up, not down, due to its security benefits and lack of ability to scale. Note that people do not even use nanopayments in TRUSTED systems because they are to inconvenient. It will NEVER happen in bitcoin in any meaningful volume.
I LOVE HOW MARTY GETS MORE AND MORE CAPTURED THE FURTHER BITCOIN PROGRESSES.
Who is the james that john is mentioning?
@@philliplloyd1518 james lopp, I think.
@@sethbracken No. James OBierne, a dev that is aggressively angling for covenants
🖤🖤🖤🖤
Johns annoying has to argue for the sake of it
What is wrong with arguing about things?
@ annoying when he does it for the sake of doing it
Can see straight through it maybe a personality thing
Just telling the truth.
I like Sats. It rolls better from the tongue.
Tonguefeel is not a BIP requirement.
lol the idea that Trump would be the president to bring in unrealized capital gains is a joke. Sure, and maybe gravity will start working in reverse and we’ll all float into space 🤦♂️😂
It was speculation, did you not notice? Or you just wanna cry because i didnt worship mstr?
@ no I did not notice that it was just speculation. I’m not really sure how my comment has anything to do with MSTR when what I commented on was unrealized capital gains taxes being brought in by Trump. That’s an oddly reactive comment by you and I can see you’re making your rounds on the comment section.
Can’t handle the heat? Maybe stay out of the kitchen 🤷♂️
I like this guy. His takes are accurate. MSTR will get rugged in my opinion, it's only a matter of time. Insolvency, custodian hack or government coercion are all potential points of failure.
Yup
He lost me when he said you can ban anyone for “being douchebags” aight guy sounds awfully leftist
He’s Brazilian, the leftism is inborn.
If you didnt eat lunch yesterday, how would you have felt?
Geez, pretty unbearable human
Check the mirror
Sometimes people get so caught up in technical jargon and then show their ignorance when they fail to adequately explain the jargon. In this case, the acronym BIP refers to 'Bitcoin Improvement Proposal' ... ok, lets carry on... and see if there are any other idiosyncrasies.
Who is this James person?
Dont block anyone, or happenstance shows you'll be the ones blocking anyone.
I get chased out of forums for saying what the guest said about aligning Bitcoin with the system. I've given up on these people and have chosen other ways to hedge. Bitcoin maximalism aligned with The State is a trap.
What do you imagine the outcome of state alignment will be?
What other ways do you hedge?
@HeSpeaks-u9w Overtaxation, restriction of address generation, mandatory private key surrender to name a few. Government has an MO so I don't trust them not to screw with BTC. While it's true that if they can do that to Bitcoin, they can do it to all platforms, I think it'll be a "napster" problem for them. Then again, government forcing its hand too aggressively, that could be the same. I basically hedge with mostly defi facilitation.
FINANCIAL SOVEREIGNTY OR NADA
I liked his BIP. It's obviously not perfect, but unit bias is a huge problem for BTC.
He violated the cardinal rule: Clown World knows no peak.
Government seizure of ETFS and MicroStrategy’s bags is my greatest fear as a holder. If you know History, you know it’s very possible.
Self custody.
@sethbracken Of course, but the rub is retirement accounts don't allow - you need a proxy.
@@johndrake3472 #FakeNews there are bitcoin IRAs with 2/3 multisig wallets
This guy is so black pilled it’s hard to listen. Imagine going through life with such a negative energy.
I am actually quite optimistic, you have to be to build what we build, i just have high standards and will not accept bullshit.
Bitcoin is limited to 21 million with 3-4 million lost. MicroStrategy as a shareholder I say buy more bitcoin! Sell more 0% interest Bond’s and buy more Bitcoin.
Bond Market Valuations
United States 41 Trillion
Worldwide 171 Trillion
“ As long as Bitcoin had no bottom, Bitcoin has no top”. There are no federal reserve funds, including Social Security, which was borrowed by the federal reserve. Baby boomers are retiring, and the system is broke. The checks will come from borrowed money as most of our spending dies too.
I'm always amazed at people who have no significant accomplishments always seem to trash visionaries like Michael Saylor, Elon Musk and etc. If they know so much , why aren't they successful.
Are you referring to yourself, or just oblivious?
Sorry to make the meme wrong!
Are you, or have you have ever been, a contract agent for the CIA?
No, have you graduated high school?
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You should drop the vocal fry.
Could be why a lot of people like Marty though, it does let the guest know they are in the lead and can speak anytime - hard to explain...
Yawn. Think I have him blocked on Twitter.
Totally. How one part of his verbal barf session created any clarity on anything. A grifter moving deck chairs around on the crypto verse using 4 pages of words to make a two sentence point…. While he tries “not to confuse” normies.
Talks about bips like he’s reading every hardware wallet instructional manual 😂
Base level cryptography and Bitcoin 101 like he’s actually doing anything of value.
I surely blocked you first.
@@jeremy7818 this is incoherent
@@BitcoinErrorLog - you are actually completely incoherent. And nobody surely cares what if any point you are making. But looks like disagreeing with you gets someone blocked which is surely the sign of a deep intellect to explain bips / BTC / and what MSTR is doing.
“I surely blocked you first” lol. Very mature. And I don’t know either one of you guys.
@@BitcoinErrorLog - looking at your channel (a few videos 7 yrs ago with 2k subs - including vid with Roger Ver). Are you one of those block wars era nitwits that forked yourselves into bitcoin cash.
Roger Ver is delusional. FFD circa 2025. Roger lost. Bitcoin cash is a shitcoin, and the govt has some questions on taxes. So “obviously” the CIA is involved 😂
Jeez, what-a buzzkill, zero fun whatsoever lol. I’m only 23 minutes in and I don’t think I’ll make it past 30.
Interview got better, glad I stuck it out.
OOF this guy has to be the absolute worst way to welcome your new WARMODE listeners
Full of bad takes, unfortunately
Crying is not a form of counterargument.
@@BitcoinErrorLog If you're gonna FUD people about MSTR, you've got to substantiate how possibly the government could do that. From everything I know and have studied, Saylor is playing perfectly within the capital markets system, there is no basis for this particular FUD and doom fantasy.
@@BitcoinErrorLog The thing about America that makes it great is that there is a very strong rule of law here. The Biden misadventure into lawfare has been stopped by the Trump mandate. America wins on rule of law, and rule of law makes these extravagant adverse scenarios about MSTR pure FUD with no basis in reality.
@@StarHeartsong We were clearly literally intentionally speculating on things that could go wrong, you expect accuracy?
Mid
This guy’s an articulate clown 😂
Uninformed garbage commentary thanks guys.
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