@@Losttribeswomanunfortunately no. As a matter of fact, France refused to ratify an E.U. directive on the legal definition of rape, to include active consent and chemical coercion.
I wish you would answer one question..why was her ex-husband not charged with sex trafficking? It wasn't just one rape. He sold her for sex to other men.
Because for the moment the rape charges are the primary issue. When and if he's condemned, charges of "Proxénétisme" meaning sex trafficking, should be included.
Wow. A third party authorizing sex with a person, without this person's consent isn't it incitation to rape and sex trafficking? As law needs to implement explicitely something so obvious, we have still a long way to go. Keep up the FIGHT!
And that's due to their massive sense of entitlement to a woman's body...it didn't even matter that she was fully unconcious; this case gets under my skin in a way that no previous court case has.
There are dozens of millions of couples in France. 99.99% of husbands don't drug their wives. This is a criminal case from a dangerous predator. Think before you write down your neuropathic anxieties and insult people.
@@marcoprolo1488 yeah ? look up Jean Pierre Marechal. The Pelicot system is too easy. Considering almost 100 men from the immediate area responded to Mr. Pelicot's invitations, I would not be surprised if a lot more women than we realize have been SA the same way as Gisele.
@@VivienLg Come up with numbers and proofs instead of anonymously insulting French husbands and dads. But I agree on the "Watch your go out to drink" part by the way. It's a dangerous world for both men and women.
@@adamhall7720 The law only protect women when men got caught red-handed. 80+ ra*ists, from a chat group named "without her consent" of god knows how many more men, on easily accessible internet, under broad daylight. Many men who proudly proclaimed "I'm not like them!", yet are quick to silence themselves and others, in the name of "bro code" and "none of my business", when they found out / know someone is in danger / had been S@ed. If the French police didn't found the videos filmed and kept by Dominic Pelicot, for how much longer this inhumane abuse of Giselle would continue?
If consent of the husband were valid, consent of a parent regarding a child would even be more so. Absurd to even have to discuss this. Gisèle Pelicot is a true heroine admired by women around the world.
I wonder if the men who believed that her husband had the right to give consent for these acts on her behalf would feel comfortable with their wife having the power to give consent for them to have medical procedures while they were unconscious, such as castration...
Probably not. They consider their wives and daughters to be property. They as men cannot be property, only owners. "Evil starts when you begin to treat people as things."
Her husband video taped all the r@pes and filed them with names and dates on his computer. There were thousands of videos made by him. The police say there are 80 men on tape but they only arrested 50 men. Since they have the names of all the men, why did they only arrest 50 men ? On top of that, there will be emails and texts between the husband and his invited abus3rs that they can track.
The police don't have names, surnames and addresses of all men. They might also not be completely visible (identifiable). In such shaky cases, the court might not even accept the case.
@@barbthegreat586 the husband did save all the videos on his computer and he filed each with name and dates etc... There are thousands of videos taken by Mr. Pelicot and he said in court he filmed the men for "insurance". And dont forget that there will be texts, emails, phone calls etc... to set up the dates for these men to come to his house = all traceable.
Just IMAGINE having to BEG for justice 🤯 this world is NOT my home. To anyone in this position I pray 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾 you get justice ⚖ you find peace and that joy is restored to you. Amen
How this case even needed to go to trial is beyond me. All the evidence that the police had and some of the culprits still thought it was worthwhile pleading not guilty because French law is outdated and misogynistic. I hope every last one of them is found guilty and they get appropriately long sentences. They all met on a website called 'Against her wishes,' FFS! How can they say they didn't know she was drugged/not consenting?
@tillymint It's quite shocking that 35 out of 50 of the perpetrators have pleaded not guilty. Shocking but perhaps not surprising given that they did what they did and thought they had impunity. Several have apparently used the same phrasing in their exculpatory pleas: I believed I was engaged in a consensual game with a libertine couple. Obviously, lawyers have supplied them with this slick defence. They are all entitled to a trial of course. Whether the judges buy any of their excuses is to be seen. There will be public uproar I imagine if these men are found not guilty or are let off with light sentences. But justice is not a given.
You are so right: you make so much sense. What a damning indicator of how misogynistic French law still is. And the arrogance of these rapists. And omg, given the title of that website!
Horrific. Imagine Justine having all the video evidence , they filmed her, sent it to neighbours and friends and the POLICE do nothing?!!! Also, if they did this to her, how many other women have this vile couple raped and humiliated - what vile sadists.
Drugs are used in this way to abuse children also. Testing hair follicles for evidence works for months longer than blood tests. These tests should be available for free where other concern, evidence, behaviour, sickness cannot be explained.
Wth France!! Its not difficult. Consent means a sober, awake person says "yes" without being forced or threatened. Easy concept!! Why is this debated? Not to mention, a child CANNOT CONSENT EVER. Also 15 is too young thats not an adult. Fix it. Absolutely pathetic.
Yes! Great comment. What would you suggest? Something that does not in any way imply submission on the part of the target, but the deception and abuse on the part of the perpetrator. Such as "rape by drugging."
some men are insecure and see women as treat. women are emotional stronger than men. Giselle is an amazing strong woman. I hope other women would get the encourage and speak up
Chemical submission? Isn’t it more like poisoning, attempted murder or a serious injurious physical assault as well as rape. Gisele’s husband’s risked her health and her life each and every time he drugged her it was way more than chemical submission . Submission implies a degree of consciousness and the poor woman was anaesthetised !
Yes. Being drugged is in no way a form of submitting. It's a lack of submission. I think it should be called as you describe. Something with those words. "Rape by drugging," or similar.
@jasperherr8694 Brianna is comparing him with an American child rapist who carried out it his abuse whilst he was team doctor of the US national women's gymnastic team. They are both very sick minded individuals.
Any such 'men' could have simply paid to be with a younger, attractive, willing (and conscious) woman...with no risk. This would have to involve some sort of bizarre/grotesque fetish/preference. Unfortunately, it is easy to find like-minded people (regardless of how rare they are) via social media. Hopefully the outcome of this is that more victims will speak out, the law will be clarified, and any perpetrators will be isolated from broader society for as long as possible.
I understand you mean well with your comment. However, Gisele Pelicot's age and attractiveness are not the issues here. It simply should not be a part of the debate. One of the rapists brought up these spurious criteria - he's not a rapist because he would have chosen 'a younger and prettier woman to rape'. Mme Pelicot has suffered enough without having her age and looks judged. BTW, different people find different things attractive in others. The law is already clear: consent is always required. These perpetrators did not have consent regardless of whether they believed or pretended to believe they did.
@@barbarajones9385 I agree and I was probably not as clear as I intended. I was really just emphasising that this was not simply about perpetrators seeking out sex - they could have paid for that experience (and had a far greater choice...which men do tend to exercise when available). If the allegations are true then these men may well have found a lack of consent to be some sort of bizarre motivator. Something in their psychology (a fetish) may well have made the knowledge of engaging in such a bizarre/criminal act all the more 'exciting' for them. Such people are rare, but they do exist, and in they can now connect easily via social media. When we see that such people exist, and what they are capable of, then it is all the more shocking to most of us.
@ross Thank you for your reply. Yes, it is a fetish: the site they connected on (now taken down) was called Without Her Knowledge. Very clear, one would have thought. So, the attraction was specifically assaulting unconscious, unaware victims. One perpetrator even said he thought Gisele Pelicot was dead, suggesting inadvertently that he was quite OK to engage in necrophilia. BTW Gisele Pelicot was in her (late?) fifties when the assaults on her began. As for this being a rare fetish, maybe not. These perpetrators were all very close, close or quite close to the Pelicot home. Several stated they had engaged in similar activities elsewhere with other couples. One can only hope the women in these other couples gave her consent. What I had not realised is that France has no actual law obliging partners to gain clear consent. France also until recently had no age of consent. There have been major scandals there recently and the age of enlightenment re women, girls and consent has yet to arrive. Whether this case will alter perceptions and usher in new consent laws, who knows. It might just be yet another media circus for 5 minutes.
You're pronouncing the name wrongly. It's french. I don't understand why journalists feel free to pronounce everything how they want. Shouldn't they verify before?
@@krollpeter oh yeah, what are you here for? White knighting for a news agency? Let's see you respond. So DW is regurgitating the surface of a story that hasn't went through the court system yet. they haven't added a spin, nor any intellectual discussion around the subject matter of "mass rape". Not a shred of evidence was illuminated to the average viewer. All that was said here is "woman apparently drugged and apparently raped by many men". Cool. The purpose of a news organization is to report on truth and not heresay. Also, why is DW bringing up the age of consent when it has nothing to do with this case? Is that enough questioning for you to chew on? I'm sure you as a regular person could do a better job reporting on this story than liberal DW
Chemical submission? Isn’t it more like poisoning, attempted murder or a serious injurious physical assault as well as rape. Gisele’s husband’s risked her health and her life each and every time he drugged her it was way more than chemical submission . Submission implies a degree of consciousness and the poor woman was anaesthetised !
Nobody can give consent on behalf of others. It's common sense.
That was also my immediate thought. And if I'm unconscious or asleep, I can't agree either.
The question is does France’s law recognize consent as something that has to be explicitly (enthusiastically) given?
They knew that full well.
@@Losttribeswomanunfortunately no. As a matter of fact, France refused to ratify an E.U. directive on the legal definition of rape, to include active consent and chemical coercion.
@maiiabakhova2474Right? What a strange question.
I wish you would answer one question..why was her ex-husband not charged with sex trafficking? It wasn't just one rape. He sold her for sex to other men.
Because they're french legal experts and you're not
Because for the moment the rape charges are the primary issue. When and if he's condemned, charges of "Proxénétisme" meaning sex trafficking, should be included.
It's an intelligent question you've just tried to depress.@@simplyfrancois
He did not sold her, he "only" offered her. He did not take any money.
Es ist kein Geld geflossen.
Wow. A third party authorizing sex with a person, without this person's consent isn't it incitation to rape and sex trafficking? As law needs to implement explicitely something so obvious, we have still a long way to go. Keep up the FIGHT!
Far too many men do not think rape is a crime.
And that's due to their massive sense of entitlement to a woman's body...it didn't even matter that she was fully unconcious; this case gets under my skin in a way that no previous court case has.
Wow really!!😮
watch your drink when you go out -- and apparently, in your own home too. Amazing that a wife is not safe in her own home.
That’s always been the case.
There are dozens of millions of couples in France. 99.99% of husbands don't drug their wives. This is a criminal case from a dangerous predator. Think before you write down your neuropathic anxieties and insult people.
@@marcoprolo1488 yeah ? look up Jean Pierre Marechal. The Pelicot system is too easy. Considering almost 100 men from the immediate area responded to Mr. Pelicot's invitations, I would not be surprised if a lot more women than we realize have been SA the same way as Gisele.
@@marcoprolo1488
Das stimmt nicht.
@@VivienLg Come up with numbers and proofs instead of anonymously insulting French husbands and dads. But I agree on the "Watch your go out to drink" part by the way. It's a dangerous world for both men and women.
All this confirms is that the Law has no interest in protecting Women in any country.
The law protects no marginalized stop acting like its all about you, its pathetic asf.
On the contrary. Since this case has gone to court and these men are being prosecuted it confirms that the law is protecting women.
@@adamhall7720
The law only protect women when men got caught red-handed.
80+ ra*ists, from a chat group named "without her consent" of god knows how many more men, on easily accessible internet, under broad daylight.
Many men who proudly proclaimed "I'm not like them!", yet are quick to silence themselves and others, in the name of "bro code" and "none of my business", when they found out / know someone is in danger / had been S@ed.
If the French police didn't found the videos filmed and kept by Dominic Pelicot, for how much longer this inhumane abuse of Giselle would continue?
So why are these men being prosecuted if the law has no interest in protecting them?
It's horrible that I don't get surprised when I hear such despicable atrocities committed by men like this. You only feel more horrified.
If consent of the husband were valid, consent of a parent regarding a child would even be more so. Absurd to even have to discuss this.
Gisèle Pelicot is a true heroine admired by women around the world.
I wonder if the men who believed that her husband had the right to give consent for these acts on her behalf would feel comfortable with their wife having the power to give consent for them to have medical procedures while they were unconscious, such as castration...
Probably not. They consider their wives and daughters to be property. They as men cannot be property, only owners.
"Evil starts when you begin to treat people as things."
What they believe is irrelevant. Ignorance of something doesn't exculpate them ... Except perhaps in France.
They are grasping at straws by trying to have all the blame put on her husband. Since it is all recorded it won't work.
Yes. They were members of a group.
Lovely thought. ;)
(I am writing that in jest, but this is so sickening.)
Her husband video taped all the r@pes and filed them with names and dates on his computer. There were thousands of videos made by him. The police say there are 80 men on tape but they only arrested 50 men. Since they have the names of all the men, why did they only arrest 50 men ? On top of that, there will be emails and texts between the husband and his invited abus3rs that they can track.
The police don't have names, surnames and addresses of all men. They might also not be completely visible (identifiable). In such shaky cases, the court might not even accept the case.
@@barbthegreat586 the husband did save all the videos on his computer and he filed each with name and dates etc... There are thousands of videos taken by Mr. Pelicot and he said in court he filmed the men for "insurance". And dont forget that there will be texts, emails, phone calls etc... to set up the dates for these men to come to his house = all traceable.
Some may be already dead or yet to be found by the time court proceedings began.
@@vintagejaki751 dead ??? why dead ??
He literally titled them “abuse” & stuff like that 😢
Just IMAGINE having to BEG for justice 🤯 this world is NOT my home.
To anyone in this position I pray 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾 you get justice ⚖ you find peace and that joy is restored to you.
Amen
How this case even needed to go to trial is beyond me. All the evidence that the police had and some of the culprits still thought it was worthwhile pleading not guilty because French law is outdated and misogynistic. I hope every last one of them is found guilty and they get appropriately long sentences. They all met on a website called 'Against her wishes,' FFS! How can they say they didn't know she was drugged/not consenting?
@tillymint
It's quite shocking that 35 out of 50 of the perpetrators have pleaded not guilty. Shocking but perhaps not surprising given that they did what they did and thought they had impunity. Several have apparently used the same phrasing in their exculpatory pleas: I believed I was engaged in a consensual game with a libertine couple. Obviously, lawyers have supplied them with this slick defence.
They are all entitled to a trial of course. Whether the judges buy any of their excuses is to be seen. There will be public uproar I imagine if these men are found not guilty or are let off with light sentences. But justice is not a given.
You are so right: you make so much sense. What a damning indicator of how misogynistic French law still is. And the arrogance of these rapists. And omg, given the title of that website!
Look at them ! hiding their faces😡
Crimes are also committed by the watchers, enablers, purveyors and those witnessing. Shame on all of them.
Horrific. Imagine Justine having all the video evidence , they filmed her, sent it to neighbours and friends and the POLICE do nothing?!!! Also, if they did this to her, how many other women have this vile couple raped and humiliated - what vile sadists.
Drugs are used in this way to abuse children also.
Testing hair follicles for evidence works for months longer than blood tests.
These tests should be available for free where other concern, evidence, behaviour, sickness cannot be explained.
Drugging is illegal...criminal
Wth France!! Its not difficult. Consent means a sober, awake person says "yes" without being forced or threatened. Easy concept!! Why is this debated?
Not to mention, a child CANNOT CONSENT EVER.
Also 15 is too young thats not an adult. Fix it.
Absolutely pathetic.
Not just France. Things like this and worse are constantly happening in every country
‘Chemical submission’ I want a different term for this, it’s derogatory to rape and abuse victims
The reporters are German, talking in English about a French case. Give them a break.
@@untergehermuc It's called soumission in French so this is actually a valid comment, a different classification would be clearer.
How about Beastiality?
Yes! Great comment. What would you suggest? Something that does not in any way imply submission on the part of the target, but the deception and abuse on the part of the perpetrator. Such as "rape by drugging."
some men are insecure and see women as treat. women are emotional stronger than men. Giselle is an amazing strong woman. I hope other women would get the encourage and speak up
Chemical submission? Isn’t it more like poisoning, attempted murder or a serious injurious physical assault as well as rape.
Gisele’s husband’s risked her health and her life each and every time he drugged her it was way more than chemical submission . Submission implies a degree of consciousness and the poor woman was anaesthetised !
Yes. Being drugged is in no way a form of submitting. It's a lack of submission. I think it should be called as you describe. Something with those words. "Rape by drugging," or similar.
Her husband is Larry Nassar Levels of sick!!
No, his name is Dominique Pelicot.
@jasperherr8694 Brianna is comparing him with an American child rapist who carried out it his abuse whilst he was team doctor of the US national women's gymnastic team. They are both very sick minded individuals.
A lot worse, and that's saying something!
@@masteroflanguages4572right
@PLuMUK54
Es sind ganz normale Männer die Vergewaltigen. Erschreckend, aber so ist es.
She is a very strong woman .She is right shame on those who abused her like this .Many victims blame themselves.
Cases like this really show how terrible some people are!😢
Men* are
Men*
Men, and not just a small number. And you're right.
Sex Trafficking. The husband should be in prison.
There is justice above
Hopefully she’s inspiring women to consider embracing the 4B movement as well.
What is 4B, please?
I just looked it up. Thank you for mentioning it.
@@plant495 i know ur not talking to me but you are so polite. Thank u for that aswell😃❤
You have proof put them in jail already
4B!!
I really don't see any perceiveable advantage in marriage for women😢
4B! ♥️
He gave consent on behalf on HER has been used successfully ?
Any such 'men' could have simply paid to be with a younger, attractive, willing (and conscious) woman...with no risk. This would have to involve some sort of bizarre/grotesque fetish/preference. Unfortunately, it is easy to find like-minded people (regardless of how rare they are) via social media. Hopefully the outcome of this is that more victims will speak out, the law will be clarified, and any perpetrators will be isolated from broader society for as long as possible.
I understand you mean well with your comment. However, Gisele Pelicot's age and attractiveness are not the issues here. It simply should not be a part of the debate.
One of the rapists brought up these spurious criteria - he's not a rapist because he would have chosen 'a younger and prettier woman to rape'. Mme Pelicot has suffered enough without having her age and looks judged.
BTW, different people find different things attractive in others.
The law is already clear: consent is always required. These perpetrators did not have consent regardless of whether they believed or pretended to believe they did.
@@barbarajones9385 I agree and I was probably not as clear as I intended. I was really just emphasising that this was not simply about perpetrators seeking out sex - they could have paid for that experience (and had a far greater choice...which men do tend to exercise when available). If the allegations are true then these men may well have found a lack of consent to be some sort of bizarre motivator. Something in their psychology (a fetish) may well have made the knowledge of engaging in such a bizarre/criminal act all the more 'exciting' for them. Such people are rare, but they do exist, and in they can now connect easily via social media. When we see that such people exist, and what they are capable of, then it is all the more shocking to most of us.
@ross
Thank you for your reply. Yes, it is a fetish: the site they connected on (now taken down) was called Without Her Knowledge. Very clear, one would have thought. So, the attraction was specifically assaulting unconscious, unaware victims.
One perpetrator even said he thought Gisele Pelicot was dead, suggesting inadvertently that he was quite OK to engage in necrophilia.
BTW Gisele Pelicot was in her (late?) fifties when the assaults on her began.
As for this being a rare fetish, maybe not. These perpetrators were all very close, close or quite close to the Pelicot home. Several stated they had engaged in similar activities elsewhere with other couples. One can only hope the women in these other couples gave her consent.
What I had not realised is that France has no actual law obliging partners to gain clear consent. France also until recently had no age of consent. There have been major scandals there recently and the age of enlightenment re women, girls and consent has yet to arrive.
Whether this case will alter perceptions and usher in new consent laws, who knows. It might just be yet another media circus for 5 minutes.
@@Ross57214
Es ist kein Fetisch und es ist nicht selten. Deswegen werden Medikamente und Drogen missbraucht um Frauen zu vergewaltigen.
Gross, your husband consented for you. Utterly gross!
Sie ist so cool
Fight fight fight for WOMEN'S RIGHTS. USA
God bless and heal and strengthen this woman and so many like her Lord this I pray in the name of our Lord Jesus Amen 🙏❤️
What a sleezy man! He had no respect for the mother of his children. Never heard of anything like this story.
Peace be with you.
🙄 "oh yeah"
unreal that this is not common sense on what is right wrong here
😭😭😭💔💔🎗️🎗️🎗️
😡👊👊
So... This was under that french easy attitude toward s E x. They are just starting to include "consent" into their definition of grape.
Es ist in Deutschland auch nicht viel besser.
Klasse Frau.....und das sind nur die Geschichten, die rauskamen.....wer weiß, was sonst noch passiert auf diesem Planeten.....
Male culture 😂
Wir leben in einer Kultur der Vergewaltigung durch Männer.
It's actually called toxic masculinity.
You're pronouncing the name wrongly. It's french. I don't understand why journalists feel free to pronounce everything how they want. Shouldn't they verify before?
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Giselle Pelicot is an actress being dramatic and exaggerating lol being paid lots money,She managed to fool lots of people lol😂😂😂😂😂Hero? Lol
No one can drug you without your consent, justine.
In the age of mass communication, anyone can become great.
And what do you mean by that in this context?
@@comfortableslug6570it's a troll
Your reporting is trash🗑️🗑️🗑️
Why don't you say why you think so?
@@krollpeter oh yeah, what are you here for? White knighting for a news agency?
Let's see you respond.
So DW is regurgitating the surface of a story that hasn't went through the court system yet. they haven't added a spin, nor any intellectual discussion around the subject matter of "mass rape".
Not a shred of evidence was illuminated to the average viewer. All that was said here is "woman apparently drugged and apparently raped by many men". Cool.
The purpose of a news organization is to report on truth and not heresay. Also, why is DW bringing up the age of consent when it has nothing to do with this case?
Is that enough questioning for you to chew on? I'm sure you as a regular person could do a better job reporting on this story than liberal DW
Are you a rapist? Why would someone speaking out against violence done to them be called trash except by the trash that commit similar violences?
@@comfortableslug6570 IG und TikTok sind schon die Toiletten des Internets, jetzt treiben sich von denen immer mehr hier rum.
@@comfortableslug6570 ignore him. There are so many people who hide behind their anonymous nicknames and write negative, hateful rubbish.
Vote for Trump...he will protect women. He told them so...
Chemical submission? Isn’t it more like poisoning, attempted murder or a serious injurious physical assault as well as rape.
Gisele’s husband’s risked her health and her life each and every time he drugged her it was way more than chemical submission . Submission implies a degree of consciousness and the poor woman was anaesthetised !