Top Mistakes To Avoid When Coming To A Quick Stop
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See my rear tire off the ground & spinning for the correct demo? ABS is fully on, can't turn it off. If you have an upright bike and you're rear tire isn't off the ground yet at the end of the stop, you're not at 100% brake pressure. linktr.ee/GregWidmar
Is this the same stopping technique without ABS?
Unless your bike has an imu and prevents rear wheel lift by engaging abs. My cb300r flat out wont lift the rear wheel more than a quarter inch before abs kicks in and puts it down.
isn't it correct you should also push back getting your arms straight to prevent the bike from doing a stoppy especially on a sport bike or Grom. So smooth progressive pressure on front light to reducing pressure on rear. Head and eyes up. Pull in clutch and down shift. Left foot down. Check mirror ready to take off if they can't stop behind you.
My 2021 MT09SP engages the front abs before the rear wheel lifts. It’s too intrusive in my opinion, you feel there is plenty of grip still on the front wheel but the abs kicks in, even with progressive brake pressure. You get to a point which is probably 85% brake pressure (guessing as it won’t let you get to 100%) and the brake effectiveness decreases noticeably after that.
1st attempt, barely used front brake, stomped on rear brake, left it in 2nd gear, stalled the bike and you were looking down. I'm just repeating so I'll remember what not to do. Thanks for these quick life saving techniques! Aloha
Highly recommend *not* repeating or otherwise enforcing what *not* to do -- great to analyze once, but then repeat and enforce the *correct* technique so that your brain goes to that when it needs it! You don't have time to think about what not to do in the moment -- only to react with the correct thing, which comes through repetition and practice of that correct thing :)
1 thing - I was taught by my instructors that stalling the bike (not necessarily on purpose) when you emergency stop is a better alternative then grabbing the clutch too soon and causing the rear tire to slide from the loss of power in an emergency situation.
@@mozzer8234 Your riding instructor was either misinformed themself or you did not fully understand their point. Pulling in clutch is not going to cause the rear tire to slide -- in fact, pulling in the clutch gives you the highest chance of making the rear *not* slide. However, it will also fully negate any engine braking that is occurring, so you will lose that source of braking power. Leaving the engine brake on (by leaving the clutch out) has a higher chance of causing the rear to slide under heavy braking, but it will also add a few more percent of braking in most situations which is likely worth it in an emergency scenario.
@@fu5ha_edits interesting, that’s good to know! Thanks for the insight
Missed the stalling bit. Thank heavens, I don't do any of these....
Good hands on lesson!! I’d like to add every time you approach an intersection know who’s behind you and how far they are for this exact application. We can control who’s in front of us but not who is in back of us. A car slamming into a motorcycle from the rear can easily kill you. That’s why having good effective rearview mirrors is crucial -it’s like radar. We have a lot of control in terms of changing lanes, accelerating, or even pulling over. Slowing down and knowing who’s behind WELL BEFORE you approach intersection is key. Mastering spatial awareness is what keeps us safe. Happy ridn!
interesting. i was going about 35-40 mph, and a car decided to turn left in front of me. i ride a Honda Rebel 500 with ABS. without thinking, t grabbed a lot of front, first, and then pushed rear, hard, and down shifted(i love engine braking, its fun) all i know is i came to a stop real fast, forks bobbed like yours did. had to pull into a parking lot, get off the bike, curse, and smoke a cigarette. but i know now that front brake grabs big time!
Thank your abs if you grabbed your front break :)
@S--most definetly!!
Why “then push rear hard”??🤷♂️
Good thing you survived because you just did the opposite of what Greg said.
@@alexxela754 i have ABS. front brake is always first, make sure bike is straight, then use rear, seems to work. i don't want the rear tire coming off the ground.
Skidding the rear wheel.
Not even on ur list.
Thank u 4 ur input.
This is exactly the technique we train and we need to master to get our licence in France. Knowing how to brake before knowing how to use your throttle is essential
There was a nice touch to have a roller coaster in the background in the final frames.
Recently got some new boots. First two attempts while practicing emergency braking I chirped the back tire. I’ve learned/adjusted and no more problems.
Good analogy , iv'e been on 2 wheels since 1970. A pedestrian recently stepped in my path abruptly. I ride a Gsxs 750, i nearly dropped it, live and learn. Never too late to improve your skills! Also, i live in Oregon, no shortage of foolish activity here! Haaa
Damm this is the exact same reason why i am watching this video. Some Pedestrian have no respect for traffic rules. 😑.
Best solution is to ride slowly.
That exactly what happened with me couple days ago and its ended up with a concussion and broken wrist...even I'm not beginner rider bit I have no idea how that happened I was facing a corner and I had enough distance to slowdown my motorcycle but because I didn't use front brakes I found my self already in middle of the corner...you right WE NEED TO PRACTICE EMERGENCY BRAKES!!! thank you for your informations 🙏
The biggest mistake that I picked up on is that you didn't have your modular helmet in the closed and locked position. 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
Modular helmet is always a mistake...
@@RandomTarnished my favorite helmet type is modular helmets.
U can lock it even when it's open
@@RandomTarnished why is it a mistake?
@@uchiwamadara4614
I think it kinda gives the sort of false safety, idk I prefer full for my safety
I ride there all the time!!! Small world! Great video!
My only good one was: Looking down. Good exercise, good advices and thank you.
Thank you for covering this topic 😎👍🏻
Sounds like me, not enough front too much rear. Seriously, great video.
Excellent presentation as usual from this channel. MT-07 is looking good. As a newer rider I must admit that I probably don't use ALL the front brake I've got during hasty stops. I've gotten lucky so far, but my technique needs refinement. Can anyone recommend formal training on the east coast (NC area) where I could learn this stuff? I've already taken the MSF course. 😉
Aye, I'm Charlotte area. The places that offer MSF courses (I did Rowan county community college) also have advanced courses done on a personal bike. I would call the college and ask around, the desk should be able to point you in the right direction.
@@ASMCourtney Thank you ;-D
I can recognize that famous Drill Instructor countdown anywhere. Good stuff mayne.
Yeah... About the correct demonstration.. Isn't the chinbar supposed to be closed while riding? I know it is on my modular helmet. Not sure about yours though.
For the rest, thanks for the lesson!
Cheers from the Netherlands!
Thanks Mate Bless You..
You are a champion. Thanks a bunch.
Could you demonstrate correct emergency braking for bike's without ABS (older bikes)
Technique should be almost identical but I'd be very interested to see his take on this!
I loved the rollercoaster!!! :) Tks
That’s the stuff right there. Thank you.
I noticed your wearing a modular helmet, any chance of you telling what your thoughts are on them? I’m having trouble deciding between modular and full face.. thanks for your time. Cheers
Locked up that rear break, and didn't see much progressive pressure applied to that front right leaver
I have a question: how do i prevent a highside crash? I'm pretty terified of those.. cheers mate!
Obviously I'd say number one is to never go anywhere close as fast as your peak skill level anywhere but the track. Slow down even more for roads that you're unfamiliar with. I'll let the professionals fill-in the rest though so I don't somehow mis-inform you.
Highside crashes happen when the *rear* tire loses grip and then regains it. There are three main causes of this, which are all very related, and all of them happen on corner *exit*.
1. You went to the throttle too choppily. For example: you were at maintenance throttle through the corner, and then as soon as you wanted to accelerate again you snapped your wrist instantly to 50% or even 100% throttle. This means you don't give the elastic suspension and viscoelastic tires enough *time* to squish and load the rear tire, and instead the rear just breaks free of traction, and then a couple seconds later it bites again and bucks you into a high side.
2. You went to the throttle smoothly to start with, but then added throttle too quickly afterwards. For example, your first 5% of throttle was smooth, but then you went instantly to 100%. In this case, you've properly loaded the rear tire to begin with, but you simply increased throttle too quickly and again caused the rear to break free, causing the same as above.
3. You added throttle without taking away enough lean angle to compensate. This can be combined with either of the two above points, but it can also be a cause on its own. Even if you are smooth with your throttle the whole way through, if you stay leaned over at 50% of your max lean angle and get to 100% of throttle, you may simply overload the tire all together even with proper loading, again causing it to break free. To prevent this, *only* add throttle as you are able to *take away* lean angle.
So, the mantra to remember for all of these is: "once I can see my exit and take away lean angle, I can smoothly roll on the throttle". What you never want to do is *jerk* open the throttle, or to add throttle while maintaining the same lean angle.
If it's a serious issue for you, get a smaller displacement bike until you master it completely. It's a typical mistake to immediately go for big power, but as Fusha explained so well, it's easy to lose traction when cornering on a powerful bike. Ride a small bike first, where irregular throttle input won't send you flying off. I've been riding a 150cc for two years, and I occasionally still do small mistakes that could have turned bad on a 100hp+ bike.
I got a friend that flipped her bike forward when using the front brake so that’s why I don’t use it as much. I’ll be sure to test around with it though.
What bike are you using for the video?
Sometimes when I really need to stop I go to a lower gear and slowly let out the clutch to get some engine braking also as I am doing other brakes.
Those guys screaming in the rollercoaster in the back are the best.
1. Probably pressing front brake only.
2. Looking at the front wheel while braking.
3. Left leg was off the peg too early.
4. Didn't slowly let go of the brake when coming to a full stop.
Greg could you please do a repeat vid on picking up bike. I am 1.56 and got myself F800 BMW. embarrasing enough to fall and then not being able to pick my bike back up. Help.
You could have mentionated wich foot should be placed on the ground when you come to a total stop. Left or right. 👍
Another amazing and helpful video.Thanks a lot mate 🙂
from my experience, im not using the rear brake at all, due to avoiding my reflect to keep on pushing the rear brake to make the bike stop instead of give more pressure to the front brake to stop..been in the situation before with the non abs bike..and the rear slide all around, but the bike not stopping at all and in the panic situation, i give more stomping power to the rear brake instead of more power to the front..(bad reflects) i dont know if this reflect come from my driving reflect or not, cause i started to drive way long before i ride a motorcycle
Great tips ! especially for abs bikes. one thing you left out that I like to do besides looking in the rear view to look for ass kissers is I always move to the center or side of the lane that way if there is an ass kisser behind you , you always have to do a minimal move to safety and the ass kisser has a batter chance a dodging you. 😉😉
When you look down during breaking especially emergency it is pretty much ineveitible to loose track f your balance and riding and stopping is all about balance.
I noticed you put your foot down while you were still moving on the first attempt. Maybe dragged it a little? Or it was just hanging close to the ground. Would also make a situation where emergency braking is needed even worse if you put out your feet too soon and they catch on the ground while you're still moving
When do start shifting down?
@ 02:18 - How can you have 100% front brake on with two fingers between the brake lever & the handlebar ??
Could you demonstrate an emergency stop and go? This is something i always fail on. Emergency stop but my immediate go is always slow.
Love ya work, Senpai! 😎👌🏼
Why do we fall when we apply front disk brake?
Also trying to shiftdown is a bad idea.
Emergency braking is all about braking.
Frontbrakes 90% -80%
rearbrakes 10%-20%
Clutch in..
So Clutch in and brake...
which bike is this?
As a beginner i add gas and use Front brake at the same time. I'm pulling both any tips how not to add gas while using front brake
rotate your wrist up before going to the brake.
Hi, great video's, I have been watching your knee down vids and was wondering could it be possible to do this on my suzuki gt750 water buffalo its totally original and with bridgestone tyres same as it did back in 1977 when new, look forward to your reply regards John
Probably not with the tires from 1977. Rubber deteriorates over time.
@@XcelentTom. Hi thanks for your swift reply Tom, The tyres are brand new, but they are the same sort of tyres as used back in the day, are you familiar with my bike its a two stroke classic Tom, there is a picture of it on my Chanel if you have a moment to take a look, regard John.
Hello!! Im from the Philippines and most riders here are using automatic transmission motorcycle, including me. Will this also apply in my motorcycle? My motorcycle is honda click 125i.
Any bike, yes
Didn't use clutch, barely used front break and looked down instead of forward
Great video!
But I think you should wear lighter colour gloves so the motion is clearly seen.
Demo 1:
- rear brake only?
- head down
- not put it in 1st
You are not supposed to use the rear break at all. Because there is engine brake. Also only use the clutch right before you are coming to a stop because when you pull in the clutch you will loose the engine break.
Rear brake needs to be pressed first so the bike leans forward and compresses the front suspension in a controlled manner. Thereafter, front brakes all the way.
they should just have better test in usa to ride where i live i have to do the emergency break test stop with my frontwheel at the cone like my frontwheeel axle has to be at the same place as the cone and we have to down shift when breaking so that if we have to go we can go right away.edit and if abs has to come in we fail the test
I was taught that in a emergency brake your engine can/may and sometimes WIL stall
Msf states use all four fingers on the clutch and brake
I don't understand all these comments from people thinking engine braking is a good technique during an emergency. The rear brake is so powerful it will lock up the tire... rear wheel doesn't need any more assistance slowing and traction there is diminishing as weight transfers forward. Yes you need to down shift to first before you stop but I would just keep the clutch squeezed, use the brake to their full potential without skidding/activating abs. Don't over complicate it.
Your advise and channel is amazing but you must remember that 99% of bikers have just realized they got a pedal for the rear brake...
I feel that when practicing emergency brake, downshifting does help to slow the bike down. But in terms of an actual emergency, for example, a car pulling up in front of you out of the blue, downshifting isn’t necessary… as holding in the clutch would let the bike free roll (no engine brake) and would be harder to stop in time 🛑
In Singapore where I live there are 3 mandatory classes for obtaining motorcycle license of different cc… 200cc (class 2b), 400cc (class 2a) and 401cc and above (class 2).
During my those classes, I practiced emergency brake. The instructors taught me to only clutch in when the bike is at a complete stop to save a stall. Squeezing in the clutch while braking would make the bike have more speed as the is no engine brake and it could be pretty dangerous when attempting to avoid a collision💥
Just some of my experiences and the things I’ve learned over the years hahah, ride safe guys!
If you don't pull in the clutch, you have to slow the engine and the wheels. I'm not expert but in my few years of riding it's what I've noticed
@@austinschwartz2684 as in without the clutching in, you would need to use the brakes yes?
@@davidemmanuel9721 what I mean is that if you don't pull the clutch in on an emergency braking situation, you have to fight to slow the engine as well as the wheels, if you pull in the clutch you don't have the engine continuously trying to turn the wheels while you try to stop them
@@davidemmanuel9721 in non emergency situations you can slow almost to a complete stop using only the engine, but this is dangerous because it doesn't illuminate your brake light so it's harder to tell you're slowing down
@@austinschwartz2684 interesting
Locked up rear brake with too much rear brake pedal pressure and pulled the front brake too fast.
You looked down.
My question is when you use only 2 finger, you lose full breaking power???? Looks like your ring finger and little finger prevent full squeeze? Thank you
Ok, looks like you are over by SeaWorld, but where is there an empty road around there? Beach area is always a mob of people and cars.
Im curious what roller coaster that is. It looks like the Raptor at Cedar Point. Lol
What do you do with your left foot during an emergency stop? I know you're supposed to stay in gear (to maintain engine brake), but which gear, and when?
Your revs will drop so low I doubt you would be engine breaking by then.
Should I still go 70-80-90-100 front brake with a bike that doesn't have abs?
It's all about squeezing the brake gradually, so you don't want to be abrupt. If you squeeze too quickly (or GRAB the brake), you'll probably end up doing a stoppie or something :D
My take: First run u looked down, didn’t have eyes front, stopping distance was quite long? I didn’t notice if u changed gear to 1 but u should just incase u need to get out of way. Last maybe is that check mirrors to see of any potential hazards behind u.
Why only use 2 fingers on the front brake? Won't this prevent full power braking?
Nope, he explains it in other videos. Basically with 2 fingers you are more likely to get that optimal brake power and mor fine tuned like in this video: 10,20,30,60,70,80,100% instead of the typical 0,10,20 to immediately 100% whem using all 4 fingers ("grabing the brakes")
If your bike has adjustable levers you might be able to get maximum braking power before the lever touches your fingers.
Very afraid to apply the front brake, please teach us more.
ok, here we go. 1st attempt, it looked like you used mainly the rear break and the abs got engaged. I didn't heard the bike stalling but yes at least use the clutch
Would not 100% cause an endo on many shot wheelbase bikes?
you should use both brakes, not just front. If you going faster and use only the front brake you will tip over
God damn, what's that pair of jeans you're wearing? Gotta get me one of those.
What if you just brake both rear and front? Same technique in the front
I see that I really need to practice this I’m surprised, last time I tried doing this my front tire slides a bit instead of the rear lifting.
I had the same problem, it's because I grabbed the brakes too quickly. Initially there isn't much weight on the front wheel, so you need to brake gradually in order to load the suspension. Once all the weight is on the tire, you can brake REALLY hard. That's what Motojitsu means at 2:06
Apply the brake smoothly but firmly, give the bike time to dip forwards before going all on the brake.
Saw your foot down and your head down on first look. Found others by playing it again.
i mostly use te front brake also i have ABS i stop very fast
I 'heard' something you didn't mention - 'anker' yourself to the bike without all weight on the steering.
First gear down ,second use front brake turn to were you want to go and escspe
rear breaking only
Apply the rear brake first so there won't be an unexpected front dive,then squeeze the front brake if possible downshift one gear,these practices will stop the motorcycle in a very short distance,
If your motorcycle equiped with slipper clutch then down shift first then use rear brake after the rear shock is loaded then use front brake in full.
Down shifting first in an emergency? Don't think so
@@teslastream practise it,it's more effective,i does it every time and it is a success proof is i am alive
@@lallumanohar4107 Proof is I am alive and I don't use it. :) I don't think you have enough time to downshift in a real emergency break scenario. Do you initiate the downshift after you start breaking? And then release the clutch?
@@teslastream all these three process will take less than a second, squeeze the clutch dip the gear and the same time apply rear brake,load rear shock then squeeze front brake,every time I use the same for last 15 years,no problem so far, practise practise practise.
i had a jawa with autoclutch something similar to the reckloose clutch but only after first gear no need of using clutch for upshifting or down shifting.
1st attempt: looking down, grabbing brakes(engaging ABS), too much rear brake
+ kr@p camera work !
Looking down
First attempt. Didn't look up and ahead and didn't squeeze the front brake enough
1. first run, braked only the back tire? hehe
is there time to put it in first gear if it's an emergency situation?
Yes, but you must practice doing that so you don’t even think about it. You get in the habit of doing it.
@@jhask64 when i had to emergency brake, i was hitting rear brake(that's after grabbing front hard) hard and stomping gear lever at same time. i think just out of panic.
1st attempt: Looking down. You also went too far forward
1st attempt: used the rear too much, barely used the front, didn't shit back down to first, stalled the bike.
2st attempt: the crowd goes wild. But still with cheater ABS.
"Cheater ABS"?!? That's the only way to roll.
First Attempt: didn't brake hard enough, arms loose, looked down on your bike and took your left foot off to early.
You would not pass a driving test in Sweden, you are not supposed to lift the rear tyre for example.
1st attempt too much rear brake, not much front (if any lol)
You looked down was one thing i picked up
1st attempt, no front brake.
Edit: didn’t notice where you were looking, but yeah…and no clutch? Dang!
1 light breaking front stall bike rear
1- head down not looking forward
First attempt = rear brake locking it up, no front brake was applied.
Not pulling clutch in
No gradual/smooth brake control
Not locking your arms when full braking
Not looking at horizon
Helmet wasn't fully engaged to protect your noggin 👍
You applied the rear break first and a lot
Is it really bad to "slowly" maximize the rear brake?
No weight on the back brake when stopping hard so it wont slow you down much with abs, without abs it will just lock up and skid.
My internet is not good enough for this video at all lmao
1st attempt your head was looking down and not up
What that mean
well, your 2nd attemp was also wrong, u pulled the clutch lever together with your breaks and that cuts off ur engine while you're still at high speed and makes ur bike freewheeling, that means your bike will increase speed because your engine is suppose to be engine breaking that helps lessen ur speed more smoothly and gives more balanced load to ur breaks (engine breaking makes ur gears slow down and takes most of the weight from ur bike while bike is running) and because you cut off ur engine, you're adding more weight/pressure to ur breaks. And by doing the last part, you're giving all the weight to the front break and that is totally wrong. Also, you're bike's weight won't go forward that easy when u give more pressure from rear break instead of the front break because the breaking pressure is from the rear wheel, that means it will be a pulling force from behind. A bit of advice from all of us, DO NOT parctice to give too much pressure on your front break, u have to balance it with engine breaking and with both front and rear break. and DO NOT pull ur clutch lever when you're speed is still fast, let your engine break by NOT pulling the clutch lever, pull the clutch lever when you're bike is slow enought or it's almost about to stall (u can hear ur engine sound and you'll know when to pull the clutch lever)
And last one, always advance ur mindset on the road because everything happens in a split second, that means you dont have time to think which pressure is which. You have to practice it daily, balance ur bikes weight with the engine and breaks. that automatically be encoded to ur mind and will be added to ur instinc. That's how profesional riders do it, they dont put too much pressure on the front breaks unless if they're doing a stunt, they balance it.
Ride safe guys
Hello , maapply dn va to sa automatic na motor? Tska kung okay lang sayo ,padetail naman ako ng maayos na break at emergency break. Baguhan lng kse ako ee