We make mistakes admit and move we are human we are not robots how life would feeling if every thing we done was like assembly line how fuck boring it would be and I like your videos 18:06
Mr Hewes - you and your entire team are a grand credit to the long and distinguished tradition of British Blokes in Sheds with Hammers. May your Nuts never be over-tightened. 🇬🇧🔧
Great video guys, err those starters, that copper contact is meant to be unequal lengths. First side lands and powers sent to half the windings, pulling the armature into mesh and slowly turning. Once in, the trigger lever is lifted letting the short side make contact and wham, full power to rotation. It might only be stuck brushes making it play up, could save yourself a few quid there 🤞🤞 Keep it up guys, 😊😊
Your expertise in reviving a bit of cak never ceases to amaze me. And your optimistic outlook when things go to rat shit. Keep it coming. No doubt Ted will chastise you at next team chat
That's an odd way to change the oil, but does seem very effective. The integrity of a great leader. Assume responsibility, assess damage, plan repairs. And you did it all without throwing the sledgehammer 😄 🤝🤝👍
I should be outside mucking out Cattle, not watching you guys breaking stuff. I will have to swap my favourite viewing to something dull and boring so I can get my own jobs done 😄👍🏼
I am glad to see you watch a quality channel and not just farming, I had better get back to your channel now and look at boring cows!!!!!, only joking.
Stripped so many of those starters as an apprentice on Sheffield busses. It was worn but correct with unequal lengths. Doesnt make contact until the armature moves out, the lever lifts and it gets full power. You.need a special tool to unscrew the return spring in the centre of the armature at the comm end. Good luck!
Fascinating, I never would have expected a U-joint to be there. Nice to see things like this happen to everyone; admitting you messed up is good. Apparently, society is unable to admit mistakes now, and this is why we have such craziness in the world.
People are t worst creatures ever to populate Earth since the beginning of time.. At least all of them basically knew who was going to eat those that were meek, are weak. Nowadays one doesn't have a clue as to who is a decent person, because not even those that are supposed to be religious leaders, are city officials will commit the worst crimes imaginable. Those who are supposed to protect and serve the public. Are the ones that will either beat someone without asking single question, are commit crimes themselves to convict someone while lying to cover one another. While looking at someone straight in there eye, as they're swearing to tell the truth on the Bible. Mean while the Judge, the head of the DA's office is made deals with lawyers supposed to be working for the young man barely 19 here on charges of evading arrest when he never knew that he had a squad car 4 behind him, and truthfully it wasn't him that had ran through a red light nearly hitting another vehicle going through the red light Only the driver of the car that committed the crimes, had turned into a gas station when he was beside a delivery truck, and hid behind the store as the squad car locked his eye on the kid pulling out of the parking lot of another gas straight after getting his last 20 gallons worth of gas so he could get to work next morning, but had paid with cash and didn't get his receipt. Old man running the store had 10 customers, bad eye sigh, and never really looked at the kid, because he was too busy looking down the shirt of his employee putting cartons of smokes under the counter The defense lawyer made a deal with the DA to swap the innocent kid for his others client busted with enough crack to get the whole neighborhood stoned for a week plus he had two pistols in the back seat, but he gave his lawyer 25 grand in cash Who gives the DA 15 thousand cash for his cut Dope dealer walked out as the judge sentence kid to 3 years state jail.
What a day! Only one scrap battery on the Foden, then to ask if would start!!!! - First turn on tick over! - What a machine! Space heater - repaired. Adam works better at normal working temperature, which brings us to the engine. It could have been much worse! Starter motor will be a cheap repair - Did Seb write his name on the replacement after he'd cleaned and polished it? The engine started well, no easy start required, it sounds well, then things went down hill, but things could have been much worse, parts (in stock) can be replaced, and that will make another video to entertain the viewers. Okay, things didn't go 100% as planned, but still think of it as a good day. 🤗👍🤗
The most impressive part of that entertaining video was the good humour about oil and bits of engine on the floor. I'd have been rather more vocal - then doubly so after realising I'd caused the problem! Fair play taking that in your stride - or fair play to the editor! The sweet sounding engine is a nice consolation especailly on top of not breaking the engine itself. 👍👍
As a technician I cant help but sympathize with tragedies like this. Caught myself audibly following along @ 13:35. Hope everyone's likin the video to help pay for the troubles, best of luck as always 🍵
I worked in 'pack section' at an Armoured workshop in BAOR for about 8 months before moving to an FRG. In pack section I specialised in L60's, CV8/12's and 'Merlins', but we often had to help the Betty-Mech's out with their K60's, Golf 4's and J60's because the Betty's were too slow (they had massive NAAFI breaks, drinking gallons of tea, eating 'bockies', talking shite and playing cards (Nom's and Hunt The Cu%t)). I absolutely hated doing K60's and Golf 4's, so you have my sympathy here, lads!
@@ThePhoenix198 Then you'll know the dread when the section Cpl says, "OK Arse-mech, you can do the firewire fault finding and transfer case on this K60 ... Oh, and the fan governor is playing up!"
Always entertaining to watch. 😅 Every time I do I think I should get rid of my vast snap on tool collection and replace with just an adjustable…oh and a hammer.😂😂
The engine sounded awesome. You guys will have it fixed and cleaned up in no time. I would have had a compilation of curse words going on for that one. Waiting for the next video. Have a great day.
Dear Joseph, Apparently the engine in this vlog was running perfectly but by a for me some unexplained reason, something got stuck which caused considerable engine damage, so I hope this engine can still be saved. I look forward to your next vlog and send you love from the Netherlands
Hi guys, very neat videos, at my 71 years of age and been born and raised in the mechanical field I never had the opportunity to get involved with those kind of equipments, your videos take me to another line of expertise, I am impressed with your knowledge and wisdom, respectfully I would like to know where your country is, most kind of you for sharing it with us, blessings to you and your love ones, from the endless summer paradise Puerto Rico Jesus Torres.
Good that the engine isn't knackered, just that drive - and that you had spares for it. Still, rotten bit of luck. Always nice to see your honesty - refreshing.
Bad luck, hopefully you guys can source a spare. I make this sort of mistake when I'm either multi-tasking too much or lacking sleep, and then I spend the next week being irritated at myself! At least yours makes for exciting video content!
Having watched many of your smashing vids, I can say with confidence that I now know how to trouble-shoot and fix all Abbot and Centurian starter motors faults.😄 Out of balance UJ's, less so! keep up the great works 👌
I learning all kinds of stuff about changing a starter on a Rolls-Royce Diesel Power unit. Unfortunately, I live in the middle of the USA! Fun to watch, anyway. Sort of like working on a Suzuki SJ413 1.3 only harder and with less space to work in....😄
Hewes Engineering 101. Always entertaining. Always educational. Today I learnt the black runny stuff should be inside the noisy thing, not on the floor...
That's frustrating. Fair play for admitting it. It can happen. I replaced an extract fan before Christmas but fitted it the wrong way round and it blew all the crap from the ductwork back into the room where people were working - bearing in mind they work on fibreglass in there with dust and smells everywhere. Never mind! Admit it, make good, move on and try not to do it again!
Could have been a lot worse. Shows what happens when you don't have Ted supervising. Nice to see it's not just me who uses different coloured hose on the engines. I changed out mine for silicon and at the time, only some widths came in black, others were blue.
On the plus side, she fired up lovely and sounded sweet until she didn't. I think you should write out a new scribe sheet and add that little mishap on there 👍🏻
Good morning, guy's, I have laughed so hard my sides hurt. Never a good sign when you see the black goo of death running across the floor. I've seen this happen a few times in my career. But fair play, you guys took it on the chin well. Love your very laid-back attitude. Keep up the "good" work.
I am no mechanic, but even I can see that something has gone wrong when the liquids of the engine are pissing out and a previously solid part decides to not be solid anymore. Still, learning experiances and all
If that is a transfer gear I did the same on an austin 1300 idler gear , got the car up to xcess speed and the entire gearbox casing ended up along 2 miles of the A3
They are not meant to be the same length. I did exactly the same thing on a V12 Lagonda, so we got a new starter, and the contacts were different lengths too.
I work out of my own garage and I used cat litter…..ONCE. It makes a freaking mess, it’s hard to clean up, it clumps up and it sticks to everything including your boots. Then you track it all through the garage and into the house. And speedy dry which is made to clean up oil is less expensive than cat litter.
Ahh, the angle grinder linishing machine, fine bit of kit, also liked the use of the hi tech Japanese #5 ball peen twatting screwdriver. Keep on lads, all the chaos and mucking about is why we watch.. to see what mad stuff you do next.
Had to have a laugh at this one. Too many times ive put an engine back together and in my haste to hear it run ive not checked something and.......disaster. Good to see you guys had a laugh even though ,you made a mistake this is relatable to alot of us.
Besides you mates Lord Muck and Kim are my favorite Brits shows always entertaining and informative. Nothing like a broken drive to start off your day ,But the engine sounds good Muckers so lets crack on and get it together
I once did an oil change and only had the drain plug finger-tightened (idiot mistake). A mile down the road the oil-check light came on, and I luckily pulled off the road within a few seconds. All the oil had escaped and left a trail 300ft long and a puddle where I parked. Filled it back up with oil, actually tightened the plug, and drove off. It would have been a shame if the engine went, I had spent the last year building a replacement engine and this was only the 2nd drive.
Well it would have needed an oil change anyway. Let he who has never cocked up raise his hand (I think that I only cocked up once last week but there is still time for the ones I haven't yet spotted to turn up)
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Admire those who admit to their mistakes and fear those that don’t because the latter no doubt would be willing to blame others 👍
How very true that is. It cost nothing to say you made a mistake.
A great recon light weight half tank
We make mistakes admit and move we are human we are not robots how life would feeling if every thing we done was like assembly line how fuck boring it would be and I like your videos 18:06
@@Qspecialman My Dear old Dad said to me when I was young age, Son, never be afraid to admit when you are wrong.
Very true. Better for YOU to admit failure than have someone else point it out.
That’s what happens when Ted isn’t supervising….
😂😂😂😂😂
Deffo 😂
I agree.... ☝️
No Ted, no success.
If Ted was present to keep you in check nothing expensive would have happened. Must say though that lump sounded pretty healthy
Agreed, Supervisor Ted-badge when?
Great news it looks like Seb's starter will work and at least the old oil is drained out.
Mr Hewes - you and your entire team are a grand credit to the long and distinguished tradition of British Blokes in Sheds with Hammers. May your Nuts never be over-tightened. 🇬🇧🔧
Your honesty is to be admired.
Broomstick 😂
Sister is going to banish you from the Kingdom! :)
Took me a minute 😂
Great video guys, err those starters, that copper contact is meant to be unequal lengths. First side lands and powers sent to half the windings, pulling the armature into mesh and slowly turning. Once in, the trigger lever is lifted letting the short side make contact and wham, full power to rotation. It might only be stuck brushes making it play up, could save yourself a few quid there 🤞🤞
Keep it up guys, 😊😊
stuck end bearing ? either way a strip down worth doing
This guy starters
To quote Captain Edmund Blackadder, "Bugger!"
Your expertise in reviving a bit of cak never ceases to amaze me. And your optimistic outlook when things go to rat shit. Keep it coming. No doubt Ted will chastise you at next team chat
That's an odd way to change the oil, but does seem very effective.
The integrity of a great leader. Assume responsibility, assess damage, plan repairs. And you did it all without throwing the sledgehammer 😄
🤝🤝👍
I should be outside mucking out Cattle, not watching you guys breaking stuff. I will have to swap my favourite viewing to something dull and boring so I can get my own jobs done 😄👍🏼
I am glad to see you watch a quality channel and not just farming, I had better get back to your channel now and look at boring cows!!!!!, only joking.
Its farmer P😂😂
Buy a quest 3. The passthrough is good enough that you can do things in reality, so you can muck the cattle and watch this at the same time.
I see you had to get the Official Complaints Department hammer out to give that starter motor a good seeing too.... Keep up the fantastic work guys
Stripped so many of those starters as an apprentice on Sheffield busses. It was worn but correct with unequal lengths. Doesnt make contact until the armature moves out, the lever lifts and it gets full power. You.need a special tool to unscrew the return spring in the centre of the armature at the comm end. Good luck!
I really have no idea what is going on but its always highly entertaining.
Look for demolition companies that scrap large electrical equipment. To recover the copper buss bars. To replace copper contacts.
Cheers
Fascinating, I never would have expected a U-joint to be there. Nice to see things like this happen to everyone; admitting you messed up is good. Apparently, society is unable to admit mistakes now, and this is why we have such craziness in the world.
People are t worst creatures ever to populate Earth since the beginning of time..
At least all of them basically knew who was going to eat those that were meek, are weak.
Nowadays one doesn't have a clue as to who is a decent person, because not even those that are supposed to be religious leaders, are city officials will commit the worst crimes imaginable.
Those who are supposed to protect and serve the public.
Are the ones that will either beat someone without asking single question, are commit crimes themselves to convict someone while lying to cover one another.
While looking at someone straight in there eye, as they're swearing to tell the truth on the Bible.
Mean while the Judge, the head of the DA's office is made deals with lawyers supposed to be working for the young man barely 19 here on charges of evading arrest when he never knew that he had a squad car 4 behind him, and truthfully it wasn't him that had ran through a red light nearly hitting another vehicle going through the red light
Only the driver of the car that committed the crimes, had turned into a gas station when he was beside a delivery truck, and hid behind the store as the squad car locked his eye on the kid pulling out of the parking lot of another gas straight after getting his last 20 gallons worth of gas so he could get to work next morning, but had paid with cash and didn't get his receipt.
Old man running the store had 10 customers, bad eye sigh, and never really looked at the kid, because he was too busy looking down the shirt of his employee putting cartons of smokes under the counter
The defense lawyer made a deal with the DA to swap the innocent kid for his others client busted with enough crack to get the whole neighborhood stoned for a week plus he had two pistols in the back seat, but he gave his lawyer 25 grand in cash
Who gives the DA 15 thousand cash for his cut
Dope dealer walked out as the judge sentence kid to 3 years state jail.
calm down calm down!!
Adam has become more vocal. he has become self aware
pmsl
Adam is manic. His compassion is a fragile thing, but beautiful
Now let's not go over-exaggerating things!
We feel your pain, really do. Love the optimism. Keep the videos coming !!!! Excellent viewing. Thanks.
What a day! Only one scrap battery on the Foden, then to ask if would start!!!! - First turn on tick over! - What a machine! Space heater - repaired. Adam works better at normal working temperature, which brings us to the engine. It could have been much worse! Starter motor will be a cheap repair - Did Seb write his name on the replacement after he'd cleaned and polished it? The engine started well, no easy start required, it sounds well, then things went down hill, but things could have been much worse, parts (in stock) can be replaced, and that will make another video to entertain the viewers. Okay, things didn't go 100% as planned, but still think of it as a good day. 🤗👍🤗
Ouchie, you won't forget that lesson I reckon
The most impressive part of that entertaining video was the good humour about oil and bits of engine on the floor. I'd have been rather more vocal - then doubly so after realising I'd caused the problem! Fair play taking that in your stride - or fair play to the editor!
The sweet sounding engine is a nice consolation especailly on top of not breaking the engine itself. 👍👍
As a technician I cant help but sympathize with tragedies like this. Caught myself audibly following along @ 13:35. Hope everyone's likin the video to help pay for the troubles, best of luck as always 🍵
I worked in 'pack section' at an Armoured workshop in BAOR for about 8 months before moving to an FRG. In pack section I specialised in L60's, CV8/12's and 'Merlins', but we often had to help the Betty-Mech's out with their K60's, Golf 4's and J60's because the Betty's were too slow (they had massive NAAFI breaks, drinking gallons of tea, eating 'bockies', talking shite and playing cards (Nom's and Hunt The Cu%t)). I absolutely hated doing K60's and Golf 4's, so you have my sympathy here, lads!
Sounds a remarkably familiar career path 😅
Don’t forget their squat to piss visits to the b#gs
@@ThePhoenix198 Then you'll know the dread when the section Cpl says, "OK Arse-mech, you can do the firewire fault finding and transfer case on this K60 ... Oh, and the fan governor is playing up!"
Always entertaining to watch. 😅 Every time I do I think I should get rid of my vast snap on tool collection and replace with just an adjustable…oh and a hammer.😂😂
The engine sounded awesome. You guys will have it fixed and cleaned up in no time. I would have had a compilation of curse words going on for that one. Waiting for the next video. Have a great day.
Dear Joseph,
Apparently the engine in this vlog was running perfectly but by a for me some unexplained reason, something got stuck which caused considerable engine damage, so I hope this engine can still be saved.
I look forward to your next vlog and send you love from the Netherlands
Oh dear... Reminds me of the Boat Buoys from Scrapheap Challenge!
Good effort...Loved the spreading pool of oil..
Hi guys, very neat videos, at my 71 years of age and been born and raised in the mechanical field I never had the opportunity to get involved with those kind of equipments, your videos take me to another line of expertise, I am impressed with your knowledge and wisdom, respectfully I would like to know where your country is, most kind of you for sharing it with us, blessings to you and your love ones, from the endless summer paradise Puerto Rico Jesus Torres.
they are living in Trankies Heaven lol.
A good honest video - you do well to take these mishaps in your stride (on camera, anyway). Impressive work - great to follow.
thank you very much for good entertainment. 👍🤗👍🇸🇯
ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE !
Thank you for another quality upload, and so soon! Looking forward to more as always.
So glad it’s not lunched!
I hope you have more luck with it next time.
I love this channel very addictive watching keep up the great work guys. 👍
Good that the engine isn't knackered, just that drive - and that you had spares for it. Still, rotten bit of luck. Always nice to see your honesty - refreshing.
It was poor planning on my half I should have done more checking before starting
Keep it up , if it doesn’t work, hit it .😂 love it
Isn't that a universal method? 🤔
Great update chaps
Wasn't expecting this vid this quickly after seeing the facebook pics yesterday but loving the frequent releases!
Bad luck, hopefully you guys can source a spare. I make this sort of mistake when I'm either multi-tasking too much or lacking sleep, and then I spend the next week being irritated at myself! At least yours makes for exciting video content!
The contactor can be built up using a tig and some copper wire. Obviously it's a case of balancing time against the cost of a new part.
It's actually meant to have different length contacts.
Awesome video thanks lads made my day 🚜🚜🇬🇧🔧🛠️
One from the file marked "Oh fuck..."
Such an easy mistake to make, but thanks for sharing it as a reminder for the rest of us!
Having watched many of your smashing vids, I can say with confidence that I now know how to trouble-shoot and fix all Abbot and Centurian starter motors faults.😄 Out of balance UJ's, less so! keep up the great works 👌
wouldnt have thought a UJ flying around would cause so much damage
Absolutely love watching your videos keep up the awesome work 😄😄
Quite the craftsman 😂
"It's been sick" had me buckled 😅
I learning all kinds of stuff about changing a starter on a Rolls-Royce Diesel Power unit. Unfortunately, I live in the middle of the USA! Fun to watch, anyway. Sort of like working on a Suzuki SJ413 1.3 only harder and with less space to work in....😄
Never thought I'd be interested in tanks,but I just love it and the things you get up to not taking life to serious, in this crappy world today👍
As other commenters have said something went wrong but you’ve got the parts to put it right
Hewes Engineering 101. Always entertaining. Always educational. Today I learnt the black runny stuff should be inside the noisy thing, not on the floor...
Didnt see Ted supervising to make sure no mistakes happen😒 but honestly you admitting to the mistake is great. I admire that.
That's frustrating. Fair play for admitting it. It can happen. I replaced an extract fan before Christmas but fitted it the wrong way round and it blew all the crap from the ductwork back into the room where people were working - bearing in mind they work on fibreglass in there with dust and smells everywhere. Never mind! Admit it, make good, move on and try not to do it again!
Could have been a lot worse. Shows what happens when you don't have Ted supervising. Nice to see it's not just me who uses different coloured hose on the engines. I changed out mine for silicon and at the time, only some widths came in black, others were blue.
Once again! Sit down with a Brew, and a Mr Hewes vid is in the feed! Glorious!
On the plus side, she fired up lovely and sounded sweet until she didn't. I think you should write out a new scribe sheet and add that little mishap on there 👍🏻
A lucky escape with that one, even though I've no idea what it was. 😂
The big disaster is turning the block into scrap metal ;)
Great video, love your expert voice, cracks me up every time
Good morning, guy's, I have laughed so hard my sides hurt. Never a good sign when you see the black goo of death running across the floor. I've seen this happen a few times in my career. But fair play, you guys took it on the chin well. Love your very laid-back attitude. Keep up the "good" work.
I am no mechanic, but even I can see that something has gone wrong when the liquids of the engine are pissing out and a previously solid part decides to not be solid anymore. Still, learning experiances and all
I've always wondered what happens to that uj if you run it up outside the vehicle! Now I know 😮
I’m amazed that it whacker plated itself to bits :o I would have said on average it was bad, but survivable.
Oops, on the bright side, you can fix it guys, great videos, can't wait for the next installment.
If that is a transfer gear I did the same on an austin 1300 idler gear , got the car up to xcess speed and the entire gearbox casing ended up along 2 miles of the A3
Oh ouch.... one little oversight, good thing the motor seems solid.
Boys im sure there's a easier ways to drain its oil 😅😂
They are not meant to be the same length. I did exactly the same thing on a V12 Lagonda, so we got a new starter, and the contacts were different lengths too.
14:55 perfect response that was without doubt hilarious, nothing you lads can't handle I'm sure 👍
Ted was standing watching all of this ... Head in his paws, thinking wtf guys!......he will deduct that error from your wages!
If everything went smoothly, you would get board! Is there a remove before bench starting on that u-joint?
Bad luck guys. Understandable. We all fuqup now and again but fortunately you have the technology to repair said fuqup. Bravo.
Well done ladz , surprised that Ted didn't spot that
Oops 😬 glad you have spares
FAR OUT! very good again old Bean!
The big reveal was interesting at the end. I was thinking long term frost and ice had cracked the casing.
Give 3 months before warranty claim on them nappa batterys 😂
But they were second hand anyway!
It happens to us almost the same thing with a Panhard EBR engine !
Woiiia you should have silver solderd that connector. Like with the ac brazing rod, it would work I think.
Could have been worse - you could have had a flying visit from Rodney.
Where's the cat-litter for soaking up oil spills? It works very well!
I work out of my own garage and I used cat litter…..ONCE. It makes a freaking mess, it’s hard to clean up, it clumps up and it sticks to everything including your boots. Then you track it all through the garage and into the house. And speedy dry which is made to clean up oil is less expensive than cat litter.
Ahh, the angle grinder linishing machine, fine bit of kit, also liked the use of the hi tech Japanese #5 ball peen twatting screwdriver. Keep on lads, all the chaos and mucking about is why we watch.. to see what mad stuff you do next.
Japanese #5 ball peen = Yorkshire screwdriver
Ouch! Easily done though...
Memories of startrer motor problems on my Austin Champ!
Had to have a laugh at this one. Too many times ive put an engine back together and in my haste to hear it run ive not checked something and.......disaster. Good to see you guys had a laugh even though ,you made a mistake this is relatable to alot of us.
Brilliant! It just sounded too good to be true. 😂
Damn bad luck guys. I'd blame the diesel heater myself.
Besides you mates Lord Muck and Kim are my favorite Brits shows always entertaining and informative. Nothing like a broken drive to start off your day ,But the engine sounds good Muckers so lets crack on and get it together
Wow even Mr Hewes is not perfect 😮 I am gutted 🤦♀️😂
I’m better than average
@@MrHewes yes you are 🤩😂😂
You should have been a surgeon, the way you take these things apart and put them back together again, should call you Dr joe.
Not sure Adam's liberal use of a hammer is viewed as good surgical practice by the BMA though. 🙂
@@GreenJimll Oh I dunno; retrophrenologists use them all the time.
Damn, that sucks! She sounded nice though!
if this chassis is yours to play with you should turn it into a falcon spaa for ride along side the fv4005 in terms of rare vehicles
Us common folk don't have a brand new second part on the spares shelf we would be a little perplexed right now and buggered (Ted go fetch)
Great that you show your mistakes.....that starter motor contact is supposed to be unequal tho
I once did an oil change and only had the drain plug finger-tightened (idiot mistake).
A mile down the road the oil-check light came on, and I luckily pulled off the road within a few seconds.
All the oil had escaped and left a trail 300ft long and a puddle where I parked. Filled it back up with oil, actually tightened the plug, and drove off.
It would have been a shame if the engine went, I had spent the last year building a replacement engine and this was only the 2nd drive.
good work!
“Expensive noises” I’ve got to remember that 😂
Well it would have needed an oil change anyway. Let he who has never cocked up raise his hand (I think that I only cocked up once last week but there is still time for the ones I haven't yet spotted to turn up)
Ouch that's a repair you could do without on a cold winter's day
Ran quite nice I must say before that bit decided to give up.