Served string loops on flemish twist strings have been around in the DIY space for a long time. Most people use this same general technique of serving the loop first before counter twisting. I enjoyed seeing the jigs and how fast a skilled string maker can get going. It takes me a long time!
That is how I did mine years ago, but I didn't have a means of doing the second end easily as I didn't have a clamping jig. And it was a bit of a struggle. I know a lot of other people have tried this. For me it was for 8 strand strings, I have never had a regular loop blow.
Did you make a video on how to find the actual bow string length? My Chinese cheap bow says 62 inch but want to make sure I don’t order the wrong size.
Personally, I put a double layer of string protection material around each loop. It is when you unstring the bow and the string slides on the upper limb that the loop material deteriorates from friction over time, even if the limb is perfectly smooth. Well, from my personal experience, other people's experience may be different of course. Nice day to all and take care.
Nothin new, we use to do this back in the day 40 yrs ago but found it didnt do anything other than bulk up the loops. If your loops are wearing on a regular string before you have 3k to 4k shots on it, its the bow tips that need work...
Yup. Perpendicular serving can open up in time to expose the tensile fibers to wear. A braided sheath or actual braiding (too much work) would be better. If nothing works then the tips are not smoothed enough.
I did it as a better way to bulk up the ends on 6 and 8 strand strings. People were stopping making strings because it was such a hassle to insert the extra material. I just make stuff for myself, so I don't have those machines for serving. I wonder if that was what they hated, they couldn't use those with the floppy extra material they needed to insert.
Most people do millions of color combos. I have wondered whether one could do compound cable flemish style, don't know. Back when compounds had steel cables with little swages on them, and one hooked the string over them, I made a flemish string for a PSE compound, worked fine.
Beautiful! Thank's for sharing that. Even if the normal loops rarely break, it just seems good to not see that normal wear at the loops. I like the innovation and Kaz has my vote!
Does a flemish string have the same stretch as the old Dacron B50? None of my bows are new enough to shoot low stretch, fastflight type strings. I own 35, 40, 45, and 53 pound recurves, plus a long bow that pulls about 40 lbs at my draw length.
OK, I'm gonna make some folks a bit butt hurt. Yes you may have been doing this since 19 digidy whatever but none of y'all bothered to market it. So please, do us all a favor and stop putting him down because he came up with a process to manufacture these strings at an affordable price.
Not putting him down. Lying and marketing are not the same thing. What he has done is taken a technique/method that has been around for decades and then applied a market name 'invincible'.
it isn't original, and it turns out the method is basically how we have done it. He just has a really cool power server. It isn't splitting the atom to come up with the idea that loops should be served. That is half of what serving is sold for. My reason for doing it was 8 strand strings. Serving the end so it doesn't wear is a not issue, and most people seem to like the way end loops look with the stripe running through them. Your just a fan boy who has apparently never done much in archery.
Who doesn't serve his loops? Well yeah, the ones you can buy ready made don't have that… mostly because Capitalists aren't in it because they like what they do or to make things better, but to make stuff as cheap as possible to maximize the Profits! And serving loops would cost extra… That said, do you sell to good old Europe?
It has nothing to do with that. Most people would not want the extra weight, or would find the look ugly. Even in this video he mentioned 10000 shots. That is a lot for most people. I did it to build up 8 strand strings, but I don't see a need for this.
They need them because with a 16 strand string, only 8 go over the end of the bow, and that is an increase in cutting power on the limb tip. When kevlar strings first came on the market there were rumours the tore the ends off bows. With a Flemish string all 16 strands go over limb tip so no structural need for serving the ends.
Well, you didn't actually invent anything, what you have done is taken something that has been done for decades and just applied "invincible" to it. So essentially a marketing technique. But the more you bang on about a lie the more you are going to piss people off mate.
invented something that has been used for a long long time for generations, hmmm why not call it a clever use of gadgets and leave the rubbish bull out of it
he said he was sure someone had made it before but he couldn't find it on the market,he wanted to make it available to the market. why do you have such a problem with someone having a business and selling something they like and thought would be good?
Still claiming "invention"?🤣🤣🤣🤣 It's not on the market because it does nothing. If your string loops break at 10,000 shots, the limb tips need work. Serving will get cut just as fast. And the serving that is used on compounds is the same exact serving used on endless loop strings - which if you knew any history, were the stock strings shipped with the factory bows in the 60 thru 80's and by most all factory bows today - including probably every archer in the Olympics' this year. Stop making stuff up searching for internet clout to be an influencer
You are wrong. There is nothing new about serving loops, there is something newish about serving flemish string loops because they already have double the number of strands going over the end compared to, say, Olympic strings. With a loop you divide the strands in half, with a Flemish the whole bundle wraps over the end. What does make sense it to make them on 8 strand flemish strings, though I am not sure that fad remains. That is why I used them.
@@HondoTrailside I've made well north of 10,000 strings. There have been numerous people in the last 20 to 25 years trying served FLEMISH' loops. All stopped after seeing NO gains other than a place to waste time. The rest of the word salad has no point I can see,
This tends to be an issue for those of us with production bows. I have strings wear out in a year at the loop because production bows tend to have sharper edges. If you know what you are doing, you can smooth them out but most of us newbies would screw up the bow. So instead we go for a tougher string build.
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Served string loops on flemish twist strings have been around in the DIY space for a long time. Most people use this same general technique of serving the loop first before counter twisting.
I enjoyed seeing the jigs and how fast a skilled string maker can get going. It takes me a long time!
I'm impressed by how fast he did that.
I want 1 or 2 or 10 of them!!! Amazing idea and concept!!!! Good job!!!!
Y'all made me 2 of these for my TARTAR Style bow from AF Archery! I will never use any other bow string again! THE FINEST! Thank you!
Kaz makes it look easy!
That is how I did mine years ago, but I didn't have a means of doing the second end easily as I didn't have a clamping jig. And it was a bit of a struggle. I know a lot of other people have tried this. For me it was for 8 strand strings, I have never had a regular loop blow.
Kazz is amazing
Did you make a video on how to find the actual bow string length? My Chinese cheap bow says 62 inch but want to make sure I don’t order the wrong size.
Could you use electrical shrink wrap instead?
Personally, I put a double layer of string protection material around each loop. It is when you unstring the bow and the string slides on the upper limb that the loop material deteriorates from friction over time, even if the limb is perfectly smooth. Well, from my personal experience, other people's experience may be different of course.
Nice day to all and take care.
shrink wrap works and is a 100X quicker for non-equiped backyarder.
shrink tubing
Great work guys
I use single-loop flemish-twist strings (that I make). And have never had one fail. I've only had endless loop strings fail on me.
Nothin new, we use to do this back in the day 40 yrs ago but found it didnt do anything other than bulk up the loops. If your loops are wearing on a regular string before you have 3k to 4k shots on it, its the bow tips that need work...
Yup. Perpendicular serving can open up in time to expose the tensile fibers to wear. A braided sheath or actual braiding (too much work) would be better. If nothing works then the tips are not smoothed enough.
I did it as a better way to bulk up the ends on 6 and 8 strand strings. People were stopping making strings because it was such a hassle to insert the extra material. I just make stuff for myself, so I don't have those machines for serving. I wonder if that was what they hated, they couldn't use those with the floppy extra material they needed to insert.
well done
very interesting
stupid question, is this only for traditional archery?
and do you do other colors or is that it?
Most people do millions of color combos. I have wondered whether one could do compound cable flemish style, don't know. Back when compounds had steel cables with little swages on them, and one hooked the string over them, I made a flemish string for a PSE compound, worked fine.
Can you make a string for my house bow?
For sure, www.shatterproofarchery.com/products/horse-bow-flemish-twist-bowstring
Does it work with a compound bow
You wouldn't use anything like this on a compound bow
Beautiful! Thank's for sharing that. Even if the normal loops rarely break, it just seems good to not see that normal wear at the loops. I like the innovation and Kaz has my vote!
Too cool
Does a flemish string have the same stretch as the old Dacron B50? None of my bows are new enough to shoot low stretch, fastflight type strings. I own 35, 40, 45, and 53 pound recurves, plus a long bow that pulls about 40 lbs at my draw length.
You can get both a D-97 and B-55 string from company in Flemish string.
OK, I'm gonna make some folks a bit butt hurt. Yes you may have been doing this since 19 digidy whatever but none of y'all bothered to market it. So please, do us all a favor and stop putting him down because he came up with a process to manufacture these strings at an affordable price.
Not putting him down. Lying and marketing are not the same thing. What he has done is taken a technique/method that has been around for decades and then applied a market name 'invincible'.
it isn't original, and it turns out the method is basically how we have done it. He just has a really cool power server. It isn't splitting the atom to come up with the idea that loops should be served. That is half of what serving is sold for. My reason for doing it was 8 strand strings. Serving the end so it doesn't wear is a not issue, and most people seem to like the way end loops look with the stripe running through them. Your just a fan boy who has apparently never done much in archery.
Kaz is an archery savant……. Plain and simple!! The Einstein of archery!!!!!
Great to see! 😊
That was some martial arts bowsting making.
Great way to build strings, been doing it that way for years...
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caz the wizard
Who doesn't serve his loops?
Well yeah, the ones you can buy ready made don't have that… mostly because Capitalists aren't in it because they like what they do or to make things better, but to make stuff as cheap as possible to maximize the Profits! And serving loops would cost extra…
That said, do you sell to good old Europe?
It has nothing to do with that. Most people would not want the extra weight, or would find the look ugly. Even in this video he mentioned 10000 shots. That is a lot for most people. I did it to build up 8 strand strings, but I don't see a need for this.
Every endless loop string comes with serving on the loops. Every single one.
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No not every single one. Mathews don't serve ANY of their own and loops.
They need them because with a 16 strand string, only 8 go over the end of the bow, and that is an increase in cutting power on the limb tip. When kevlar strings first came on the market there were rumours the tore the ends off bows. With a Flemish string all 16 strands go over limb tip so no structural need for serving the ends.
Well, you didn't actually invent anything, what you have done is taken something that has been done for decades and just applied "invincible" to it. So essentially a marketing technique. But the more you bang on about a lie the more you are going to piss people off mate.
Obviously does not care. Ego is more important
invented something that has been used for a long long time for generations, hmmm why not call it a clever use of gadgets and leave the rubbish bull out of it
he said he was sure someone had made it before but he couldn't find it on the market,he wanted to make it available to the market.
why do you have such a problem with someone having a business and selling something they like and thought would be good?
Still claiming "invention"?🤣🤣🤣🤣 It's not on the market because it does nothing. If your string loops break at 10,000 shots, the limb tips need work. Serving will get cut just as fast. And the serving that is used on compounds is the same exact serving used on endless loop strings - which if you knew any history, were the stock strings shipped with the factory bows in the 60 thru 80's and by most all factory bows today - including probably every archer in the Olympics' this year. Stop making stuff up searching for internet clout to be an influencer
You are wrong. There is nothing new about serving loops, there is something newish about serving flemish string loops because they already have double the number of strands going over the end compared to, say, Olympic strings. With a loop you divide the strands in half, with a Flemish the whole bundle wraps over the end. What does make sense it to make them on 8 strand flemish strings, though I am not sure that fad remains. That is why I used them.
@@HondoTrailside I've made well north of 10,000 strings. There have been numerous people in the last 20 to 25 years trying served FLEMISH' loops. All stopped after seeing NO gains other than a place to waste time. The rest of the word salad has no point I can see,
Thank you!
Inventing solutions for problems that don't exist. I've been making self bows, with strings, for 12 years. Never had one fail at the loop...ever.
This tends to be an issue for those of us with production bows. I have strings wear out in a year at the loop because production bows tend to have sharper edges. If you know what you are doing, you can smooth them out but most of us newbies would screw up the bow. So instead we go for a tougher string build.