Roman Scholar Describes Ancient Africa // Pliny on Source of The Nile and Aethiopia - 1st century AD
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A land containing not only powerful imperial dynasties and massive historical armies, but also tribes of dog-headed men, hungry cannibals and looming giants...
Here we have Pliny The Elder's description of the lands south of Egypt - as far south into Ancient Africa as Rome had ventured at the time. Whether searching for the source of the Nile, or in attempts to conquer the ancient Kingdom of Kush, Rome's knowledge of the region was surprisingly detailed - and unsurprisingly outlandish.
Translated by John Bostock and HT Riley.
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Can you please do a video about how Manetho described the beginning of Egypt as in where they came from and who was the first ruler?
He is on of my favourite authors and scholars! Deserves many more subs than he currently has.
Was Mauritania actually called that so far back? Wild! I went there...lots of sand 🤓
Voices of the Past - It is amazing to see that as advanced as we think Romans were yet they struggled to fathom how this Black African Civilization taught what we call western civilization. Ancient Africa no doubt was the cradle of not only the current western civilization but possibly the whole world. Respect to our Black African ancestors.
Did you know that an "Aethiopian" named occupied a position of power in medieval 1300s Italy? The Italian writer Giovanni Boccaccio, who visited the kingdom of Naples in the 1320s-1330s, wrote that an "Aethiopian" named Raimondo de Cabanni had risen from being a slave and palace chef to be a noble knight and seneschal(steward) of the royal court. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raimondo_de%27_Cabanni
www.academia.edu/1350433/Una_storia_di_integrazionenella_Napoli_angioina
www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/raimondo-de-cabanni_%28Dizionario-Biografico%29/
There's no such thing as a perfect governm- "The Tonobari are a people who have a dog for a King"
The very definition of a good boy!
Dog for president 2020
As long as I get to be the guy who interprets the dog King's movements!!!
But...do the dog faced men have souls?
@@popeyethepirate5473 Good boy 2020
Weird how did the Romans know about the Great Courses Plus?
It's how they learnt about their own history
How you think they got so advanced?
@@autumnicleaf wtf that was mean :(
@@wexpyke- Deleted. I didn't mean to appear arrogant. It was a joke.
Library of Alexandria fo sho
I just love the random stuff thrown in.
"None of the animals there have ears."
What!?
It's an odd mix from Pliny
Animals without ears - a Roman meme
I know there's a breed of goat with no ears
@Hernando Malinche I dunno there's goats but they have no ears google it
@@feddyvonwigglestein3481 damn those Romans were really ahead of their times
Aethiopia was the name to all the lands of the Nile south of Egypt, so they're talking about ancient Nubia/Kush. This is not to be confused with the modern day Ethiopians who were known as Abyssinia and before that as Axum.
But the kush people are the modern Ethiopian. And Nubian and kush are not the same thing.
@@isaacwitthebigmac8221 Kush was the Egyptian name for Nubia. Aethiopian was the name given for all black people by the Greeks and the Romans. The reason why the Nubians were the most frequently referred to as "Aethiopians" is that they were the ones who came in most contact with the Europeans.
Read ancient history books
@@objectoriented3049 Correct.
Modern Ethiopians are not Kush, they're Abyssinia. Kushites are Nilotes.
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Echoes of tribes I read about as a kid. I think the Dinka tribe went naked a used red dye. The Masai drink milk. The Hutus and Tutsis were very tall I seem to remember . Thought provoking.
@@unifieddynasty Best reference ever
@ANT BANKS Really? They pretty much gave us modernity and civics.
Elephants with no ears: yes.
People with no noses: yes.
People with three eyes: No way man, that just means they are good at archery.
@ShalakumX Simba Exactly, a man with a face in his chest is just a fat orangutan with one of those round faces.
Probably who made these accounts had no first hand contact and cited legendary content or met people with malformations and assumed to be ordinary. Also, the animals must've been misunderstood, like when ppl first met horse riders they thought it was a half beast half men and called it centaur, or when discovered elephant skulls, which have a single hole, imagined they were one eyed giants and called it cyclops.
@@MaxHohenstaufen "...when ppl first met horse riders they thought it was a half beast half men and called it centaur..."
A commonly cited factoid, which is however not true, centaurs were a part of Greco-Roman mythology. And even if you use centaur as a translation of "man-horse hybrid" it is also untrue, they however "mistook" horses for llamas, deer etc.
At the very most I guess someone who had never seen a horse nor a white man could believe it to be one creature for a moment, until the man dismounts.
Although through Chinese Whispers it could very well morph from a confused account to local folklore containing a half man, half horse.
The Nubians were actually called the pupil shooters because they were so accurate with their bows and arrows.
Want proof?? tell me where you want the arrow to land on your body, LMAO!
He's just like "and all this random stuff is true. Elephants without ears, it's crazy. Believe me."
The elephants without ears were probably hippos, if you didnt know what a hippo was it would be easy to confuse the two
wait till you read the Byzantines describing the Huns, also called Bulgars.
stuff like "they make clothes out of the skins of the people they conquer" and "they paint their bodies blue".
also, Herodotus describing the dog headed people of northern europe is hilarious
@@criztu the huns did some really fucked up shit though. They practiced skull deformation, they ritualistically scarred their faces, and they sometimes made skull cups from their slain enemies.
Hippo or maybe rhino?
The Random Guy and Co he probably meant left over dinosaurs
I've never been to Africa, but I feel like I should take this account with a grain of salt.
This account was written over 2,000 years ago. It should serve literally no basis to whether you should travel to Africa or not today.
@@kieran1670 guy was joking
True
Ancient Greeks and Romans tend to be a bit ethnocentric
-example: they referred to anyone that didn’t speak Greek as a “Barber” aka barbarian
@@Shay45 Almost like "barbarian" meant "someone who does not speak our language"
@New_Account yes, i guess they're a bit salty about cannae
So to me, it sounds like the people the Caesar sent to explore went down to southern egypt, said, "I don't like travelling anymore, he'll never know the difference," got drunk out of their minds partying the whole time, and wrote down whatever came to mind to make sure nobody would want to go exploring after them to check their information.
They probably barely left the outskirts of town. Checked out a few "hot spots", and then came back with a bunch of made up stuff.
"Oh my King, it was a terrible journey that we barely survived! Pay no attention to that stamp on my hand that signifies a club from the next town over."
Seriously
Well I recognize at least one tribe that he gave a description for: the Himba from Namibia, who smeared red ochre over their skin as a method of moisturizing and to have a red tint to their skin. It's almost unbelievable that they travelled so far South. Maybe the Himba used to live more North than they do now. Their populations are declining.
If you check your facts, you'll know realise that many locations mentioned still exist today, albeit with a different name, but they are still known for their historic names cited here.
@@MaxHohenstaufen oh cool. Why all the crazy stories about strange people then?
Do you spell it with an A or an E?
Pliny the Elder: Yes
I mean... They were.
æ says "ah"; its name is "ash". Bad news, then, for all those of us who've mispronounced "enn-SIGH-cloh-PAD-ee-uh" literally every time for all of our lives.
@Captain Cook Yes, someone had to be in charge to literally sell out their people to middlemen trying to satisfy New World 'entrepreneurs' who wanted labor they could treat like Eastern European serfs. BTW, Epstein did nothing wrong; job-killed regulations killed him.
John D æ isn’t pronounced “ah” it’s pronounced more like “ay” and also there’s no æ in encyclopedia lol
@@anon2427 Sure there is. That's how it was once spelled on the Encyclopedia Brittanica.
It comes from the Greek "enkyklios paedia" (ἐγκύκλιος παιδεία)
Christus Regnet I’m sure in esoteric versions of the word have it, but I never see that particular character used in English, I think it would just be ae
As someone who enjoys re-listening to Dan Carlins Hardcore History podcasts on a regular basis, i must say i'm excited to see your videos are becoming longer. There's a real high demand and short supply for this type of content.
@Western Man Amen brother!
I love the reference to Memnon having once been king of Ethiopia, and the rule of King Cepheus; it's so interesting to hear how myths and history were woven together in many records from this time.
@PHARAOH .BRAD because Greeks never ruled Ethiopia, memnon never existed in the first place, it's a mythical king
@Forsaken Janissary Actually Memnon's parents were a Goddess and a Trojan man whose mother was a Naiad, so you're 0 for 2. There's no mythological account of how he came to be ruler of Ethiopia - he's said to have come from Ethiopia to conquer Egypt by Roman sources, but there aren't any myths of him marching south - so your assumption of conquest is fanfiction. He's also depicted as Black in most Greek art of him, and as mentioned desribed as starting in Ethiopia, which probably has more to do with why people depict him as an Ethiopian than whatever sinister conspiracy theory you've cooked up in your mind.
@PHARAOH .BRAD you do realize that Pliny is not talking of dominating the region, but instead the exploration of. at no point does he claim it is Roman lands or subjects.
@PHARAOH .BRAD I'd agree that no Greek state nor did the roman empire take lands as far south as Ethiopia. however it is not outside of possible for an individual Greek lord to have taken over the ruling house. sort of similar to how the Ptolemy dynasty took over Egypt post Alexander.
mostly it was how you were phrasing your comment that seemed off to me. it seemed to me you were implying neither Greeks nor the Romans were in the area at all. if that was not your intent I do apologize for misunderstanding.
@PHARAOH .BRAD I think I have heard of her in passing. admittedly Ethiopian history is not my strong suit. my interests were more with Rome and other major powers in history and the effects they had on the greater part of the planet. Ethiopia regrettably was not a major shaper of the world so I have not paid as much attention to them. Do you know for certain that Memnon was not Greek by decent? if so or not can you suggest some credible reading? memnon being another area I have not read as much on as I could and most what I have read is at best legend, so not really credible.
I love this channel but the add smack in the middle really throws me out of the immersion. It does not fit inyour style of video. Might I humbly suggest to put the ad in either the very beginning or the very end. Or failing that, have a different narrator read the ad?
Thanks for the suggestions, it's a learning process so feedback is appreciated 👍
Great suggestions, I agree entirely.
I HAVE INSTALLED MOZZILA AND ADDBLOCKER FOR RUclips
GUESS HOW MANY ADDS I GET?
@@eem8039 The ads help the person doing the video to be monetized, but he makes the ads, sort of like people like Ben Shappiro and Lauren Chen they anounce the ads themselves like people in the old days did. Like Ed MCmahon did on the Carson show I am seeing from watching old Carson show clips.
@@eem8039 I was talking about the skillshare ad the narrator read out himself in the middle of the video. You had it too, unless you either didnt watch the video or paid no attention to what was read.
Ancient sources have such a focus on names, places, and measurements. I could hardly name all the places in a 100 mile radius around me
Of course. Back before there was GPS or even the printing press to disseminate accurate information, records of accurate distances were the difference between life and death and generally hard to come by.
Tricky thing is that they might not know anything about where they were. Think of the guys who called native americans "indian". That can't have been too uncommon, unless the traveller have a lot of resources at their disposal
@@KayLee-lw5iv To be fair, that was because Columbus was dumb and used the wrong "mile" to calculate the circumference of the earth, believing it was half as big as it is. The other kings of Europe and their advisors were right; their sailing technology couldn't have possibly made the journey of the actual distance west from Europe to Asia. If he hadn't run into another continent halfway there, they would have all starved on the open sea.
@@Fuchsia_tude Supposedly, Columbus did NOT think he was in India, he thought he had hit an island southeast of Japan. He wasn't completely dumb, they knew there was something out there between Europe and Japan and had a good guess on the circumference of the Earth, just confused over how far Japan was (since they relied on fourth hand sources for that)
To be fair, people back then didnt have as many luxuries and distractions that we have.
To have any kind of excitement, you had to actually go out do shit like build pyramids , count stars and explore . No tv. No internet. No phones. No video games. No movies. Even books were rare for the average person.
A town in Minnesota has a dog for mayor.
@Hunter Bidens Crackpipe
Ilhan Omar's a senator mate and somalis make up less than 1%of the minnesota population
But nice try anyway
@Yuri Tarded I thought there was a town in Minnesota ruled by sharia law.
John Pears Minnesotan here and no, that’s not true. The dog mayor is though, love that town
I wish we had this in britian lol
... "a people that have a dog for their king"
Laughed and spat my drink out.
The Romans had a horse as Consul once. The horse even got married and consummated the marriage and then got divorced. So it probably didn't seem too odd to them🤣
Well if you have seen a dog owner seems other way around, being led be them on a Leash then picking up thier poop.for them like a servant would do
''...they have a dog for their King, and divined from his movements their commands....'' After reading plenty of human history for over 4 decades, I absolutely believe that was probably true.
I fear a lot of the things they said were true
everybody just ignores the fact that he said Atlantis was in Africa
Yeah, it was found in Nigeria a sunken Ancient city
Robert Sepher has a lot of good vidoes on it
I've heard theories that Atlantis was in north west Africa so it interesting to hear
Yes, the eye of Africa, or Richat structure
@@Joker-yw9hl The eye of the sahara is where it is,theres a white youtuber who does videos of Atlantis being there,and as tourists you not allowed there
People who have a dog for a king!
Great choice
That was my favorite part.
@Joe Blow No honesty is not enough to be a good leader.
@Nightmare Simulation obviously that idiot is crying about trump
@Ted jaramillo
He wasn't a dog tho, hes more like a jack ass.
I'm still unsure of how to answer this..
a) to have your cup full of knowledge and learning (like one could achieve today)
b) to have your cup full of wonder, with a sense of not knowing what is beyond the horizon (like an ancient explorer would possess)
Imagine seeing an Elephant or a Nubian pyramid for the first time
B
My impression is that ancient peoples were quite confident about what was beyond the horizon. They were just wrong.
it turned them evil…
The Maasai and the Okavangu people still use red earth to colour themselves (We have a tribe called the Ndebele too)
This history has nothing to do with you
I think the unit that was sent for this mission spent all their money in the first town partying and came back with those nonsensical reports to justify why they were not around for so long.
It's reminds me of Blackadder's voyage for Queen Elizabeth:)
KeyboardWarrior that's incredibly ignorant
@@danimotherofchickens479 Rather realistic
VoicesOfThePast, I effing love this channel, its like a little timemachine full of historical little gems.
Brilliant! Great to see this subject brought to the fore...
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. Periplus soon!
@@VoicesofthePast I should have my Source Intro Video-Lecture up this weekend! ruclips.net/video/LT0Y_LdkpKA/видео.html
It's like learning about an ancient time from a strategy guide for a video game set in the time and local.
Your content is so interesting. Thank you
Thanx 4 another great video
Great video! Maybe a video on the first description of the canari Islands and their extinct inhabitants could be a good video
If you think about it, it's remarkable that it took THAT LONG for explorers to follow the Nile back to it's source. With all the trade that occurs along the coastline, you'd think that either the Egyptians, Nubians, Arabs, Phoenicians, Greeks, or even some Indian merchants would have organized an expedition by that point.
It did not take long. Egyptians dispatched maritime expeditions down the Red Sea to the region. Hatshepsut did so in the middle of the 2nd millennium B.C.E. and other pharaohs before her. Egyptians are also said to have reached the sacred springs of the Blue Nile in antiquity. One video cannot cover it all efficiently.
@@bircruz555 can a comment though? More seriously have you got any links, because I love ancient Egypt but hadn't heard about them exploring to the blue Nile or far down the east coast
The ancient Egyptians claimed that they came from the lands about the source of the Nile; they often undertook pilgrimages to the south. Archaeological evidence indicate a migration from the south as well as west of the Nile ( when the fertile lands underwent desertification); so they must have known of the source of the Nile.
jigger jones based on what? What ancient ship could cross the Atlantic? How would they navigate? Know where to go?
@@Tom-2142 Analysis of the mummies found cocaine, the source of which is the Americas.
Very Interesting I like hearing old works of history read out.
So from the advert, might we finally be getting videos on the voyages of Zhung He?
I'm working on it! Ideally yes yes yes
It may be very hard to do , hut maybe a map showing the geogrpahy site talked about , sorry if im asking too much , just a thought
He generally shows maps when specific places are mentioned. The rest is all make belief
I wonder if this explorer actually spent most of his time and money vacationing in Egypt. And just sort of made up his accounts of the people.
Probably more like "This trip is seriously boring, so I'll make some shit up, no one will ever know."
@@r.awilliams9815 Boring? In what way would it have been boring?
@@beninwarrior4579 Probably a sarcastic joke. But one could imagine, people had a lot of expectations and there wasnt anything "out of this world" to report on at the time.
@@beninwarrior4579 uhmmm... its 2000 years ago and you're wandering through a desert. Boring would definitely be in the list of words used to describe such a journey, but not the best one to use.
I felt like I was having a doctor Seuss book visually described to me
There is a place called Dabel to the south of Ethiopia. Could this be where the Dabeli people used to live. My ancestors are from that area. And to the South of Dabel are the Maasai people of Kenya who use red earth on their body. Could it be that he is referring to the Maasai when he talks of Mesache?
Lonely Traveler, 80AD edition.
Odysseus would be proud of that journey
Great Job!
Thanks pal
Nice translation of Pliny description of Africa that is a mixture of facts and myths.
Pliny could have been an excellent dungeon master
9:05 see they lived off milk from the cynecophalus...I keep telling my girlfriend it has vitamins in it.
The descriptions of some of the people encountered are bizarre. The one about the king with one eye and in the middle of his head, like a cyclops, also matches a description of a people I think Herodotus wrote about in Scythia, too.
This is very important and interesting stuff
Could you put the written info in top left corner of the screen so we can still see with captions on
Just amazing
Nicely done.
You must be on Drugs
4:36 flash forward to some Christian Middle Ages monks arguing over wether the Cynocephalae are sentient
Flash further forward to people on RUclips arguing over whether Dogmen are abducting people from national parks.
Cynocephalae are the ancient furry race. Humanity creates images in their form out of an innate longing for them, and grief of their loss. Furries are embracing the celebration of their ancient culture and visage.
Perhaps also interesting to mention that Nero sponsored an expedition to locate the source of the Nile. Apparently they went all the way to what is called lake Victoria today. Another (larger) expedition went around Africa and all the way to the vulcano area in what is called Kamerun today.
They only got as far as Sudan. It took until the 18th century to discover the source of the Nile.
I think you're taking about the Carthegians expidition. They encountered a volcano.
There were many expiditions by the Romans towards west Africa, using 5 different routes (I think all of these were land routes).
@@tylerdurden3722 the people around lake Victoria feast on locusts to this day
Can you do an excerpt from Freidrich Engels "The Condition Of The Working Class in England", which he wrote from his first-hand experience of living in Manchester, UK, in the 19th Century? Maybe the part where he describes walking through working-class areas and seeing front doors open showing living rooms with no furniture in them, and the river Irwell? in Manchester bubbling with foul gases.
I think they focus more on Ancient and occasionally medieval history; something that recent might be a bit of a departure.
i wish u had specific illustrations of all these mentioned areas on the maps u was showing
great channel
I was shocked to learn how far romans went into Africa. They came back with rhinos from Eastern central Africa.
I'd give my life to the dog king.
You have been visited by king doggo
You will see a period of peace and prosperity if you comment "Long may you reign pupper"
@@christosgiannopoulos828 who's a good lord? Who's a good lord? You are
Does this mean all the cats are annexed from the territory? That's a shame, I like cats 🐈
Good video. Eye opener about the Romans
Is there a website with maps corresponding to the videos?
Pretty interesting stuff but I agree with wybo2 in all that he/she says, it upsets the flow very much. Is it possible to edit it and put the advert at different time, just for yourself to see what you think ?
Congrats on the sponsor!
Thanks Olivia
Very interesting about Queen Candance at 5:11
Great course plus have PT-BR subtitles?
😒 *(@**9:10**) The men there "live off of the milk from the cynocephylus"... 🤔 So the dog headed men produce milk?!? (From where, exactly?)*
both dogs and men have breasts that can produce milk
Lol at the responses. A: we don’t know.
Someone should make a series about a world where all this stuff is true
I gonna do it dont worry
The narrator is doing a wonderful job.
Are there DVDs available?
He’s describing tribes that are around today especially the himba their dark and put red clay on their skin
Correct.
The Himba live in present day Namibia. Furthest south the Romans ever travelled down the continent was to present day southern Mali in the West, and possible as far south as Zanzibar in the East. Putting red clay on one's skin has also been used in Morrocco. Remember the Romans had a different idea of what "Africa" meant - probably a loanword from ancient Berber language. For the Romans, Africa meant simply our present-day Algeria and Tunisia, not the entire continent (which they didn't know the size or shape of).
Besides, in the time of Pliny the Elder, that's several centuries before the great Bantu expansions that gave rise to numerous different tribes (including Himba) over the span of over a thousand years. The ancestors of the Himba would have lived around west-central Africa, and they would not have been Himba back then yet, but more like part of one, bigger, proto-Bantu tribe that migrated into all basicly all parts of Africa - very similar to how ancient Indo-Europeans migrated into all basicly parts of Europe and Asia.
More like the Nuba and Dinka.
8:54 Sounds like the Maasai tribe we have today unless there are others with that practice.
Videos on peoples take on the different religions of the time would be interesting if you've not done it before
Now this is HISTORY!
I wonder how much of the fiction in modern fantasy is based on what used to be considered factual accounts of reality in ancient times.
12:20
shit gets real here.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I got an ad where some shrill woman was screaming "nazi" at the top of her lungs.
Western Man I know you're trying to say Africans are inferior. But do you really think all they ate was salted locusts? Do you really think the person who wrote this is to be trusted? The person who said the animals have no ears, the people have 4 eyes and the king is a dog?
@@TIENxSHINHAN well even today many places like liberia don't have food and eat human flesh and dead bodies no one thinks anyone is inferior this legit happens we aren't putting u down
Can I use that site if I don't want to pay and not become a member?
For free?
Is this a better account than Heriditus account on Egyot and North Africa in your opinion? I also highly recommend reading the accounts if Caesar in the Galic War. I'd love to see you do that, but realize it's no light undertaking.
Are the quoted miles a conversion from Roman miles to Imperial miles, I'm curious?
I calculated it, it's actually pretty spot on , what he mentioned as the final distance between Aswan and Meroe , in reality it's around 800 miles
@@jerres9585 awesome! May I ask, what is the conversion from Roman miles to either Imperial miles or meters?
@@SpencerTaylorOnline I have no idea tbh 😂 I just checked the walking distance between Aswan and Meroe on Google maps and it was pretty close to what was said in modern day miles , around 800 miles
He explained a land of magnificent wonders... !
while me coming from Indonesia , what we are told in my childhood : Africa is a hot dry desert and poor land that nobody wants to go.
Im so angry now
Please tell me where are the Asantes from ?
Do you any ancient sources about the spice islands??
Is this fantasy or what? People without ears, those who have a dog for a king and people who have 4 eyes. What the heck?
catherine hodge-moss he is probably commenting on cultural practices. Many cultures throughout history have modified their bodies per customs
Sounds like ancient Romans saw Africa the same way we see alien planets they knew almost nothing about it.
I could have been mis identification since many cultures alter their bodies, but one also cant rule out the stories are to be ment literally. Let behones the only history we know is what has been told to us. Till WO II the vast majority of the western masses (no matter the nation) had no education and also hardly moved far away from where they lived. Then there is the thing everything is being looked through a western lence, completely ignoring indigious wisdom keepers who still excist. And often also ignoring historians and scolars from Asia, Africa etc. In recent years they have found skelletons (even admitted by the mainstream) who have messed up the human focil record. Species wise and age wise.
Dogs run cities even today. It's nit they odd.
maybe he meant they wear glasses, just like we mean it today lol
The no upper lip part made me think of the contemporary practice of the women of multiple African tribes in which they insert a lip plate in their mouth at an early age, which over time gets swapped for ever bigger plates and that eventually stretches their lower lip to such an extreme that it can appear that they have no lower lip(just google African tribes wearing lip plates).
I Imagine a similar practice back then but with a plate instead stretching the upper lip.
first thing i thought of was Noma disease lol your theory makes much more sense tho
I’m pretty sure it’s only one tribe. They live in Ethiopia
Damn that Disney plus ad scared the shit outta me I happen to live in a neighborhood with many gun shots and I thought a drive by was going on at the house for a second.
What geographical feature does that active volcano represent?
The Romans would have found South Africa to be a prime estate, but they would have to go all the way down to it first to discover the land, and there wasn't much reason for them to do that.
@Col. George S. Patton, Sr. Would have to go there first to find it.
The only reason the Dutch founded the Cape Colony in the 17th century was because going around the southern coast of Africa was the only way to the wealth of India and spice islands such as Sri Lanka and Indonesia. The Romans had no block to gaining trade to India, since they controlled Egypt and much of the middle East already. The gold and diamonds in South Africa weren't even seen as a great resource until the 19th century, when the British empire annexation of the cape colony caused a lot of disgruntled Boers moving into the interior to escape regulation and to keep their slaves.
@@belstar1128 aggressive? Romans or locals? Lol
@@shhmatdelski8386 The locals in this case.
@@belstar1128 right romans conquered in peace....Usually the initiators
Are we really going to just Breeze over the man with the dog's head
I wonder what he would say about all the headdress stuff that Native Americans wore!
Baboons perhaps
Fantasy and science fiction seem to have been with us for quite some time.
Would love some content about the Axumites on this channel!
seriously, people with no noses, no upper lips, oddly enough some have only one 'open tube' through which they imbibe, , have mercy!
what is it ?
@@breakstone1000 some of the descriptions written about the people 'discovered' in Africa by the Romans. The details are sketchy at best.
Mutilation, not naturally occurring.
Mutilation more likely
It could be due to body modifications and/or exaggerations of the physical traits from the Romans them selves or from the people who told the Romans about these cultures.
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Pete is your brother? Well I will be snookered.. I watch his videos a lot.. I guess I will have to go and subscribe then.. Tantalizingly wondrous! I certainly enjoy these (what shall I call it) first hand accounts of life and adventure in the ancient times.. Thank you for all of your hard work.. I truly appreciate it.. and your brother also.. carry on!
Thanks! Glad youre enjoying both channels!
@@VoicesofthePast oh believe me when I tell you it is my pleasure and your hard work thanks to you both..
"...under the command of P. Petronius"
ERRONIUS!
I'll see myself out.
Please start at a zoomed out position then zoom in when showing maps. It's confusing when you start at a zoomed in picture.
It was confusing in those times too
What sources are used?
Pliny Natural History
Guys he said that people didn't literally have four eyes but they just seemed like it because of how good they were with their bows!
When will you make a video about Periplus of the Erythrean sea and its description of Somalia? And the so called far-side ports and somali city states of the 1st century.
Periplus soon
@@VoicesofthePast Thank you! please dont forget to mention the Somali city states of Barbara (Land of the Berbers). The Romans called them the far-side ports.
Did Pliny actually travel or just document what people told him?
Both. Which is probably why some of these accounts sound absurd. Translation errors.
Remarkable
The red clay people in Africa still exist... That is ABSOLUTELY crazy 😲😲
People must take to account that the King for a dog isn't really a dog(Animal) it's a human but the Romans found that his facial features looked like a dog .
the story is returning in the book (عجائب المخلوقات و غرائب الموجودات)
it's an encyclopedia in 13th century ans in the book on the section of humains there is a raxe of peuple with a dark skin and facial features very similar to dogs that were cannibals leaving in the jungles below the Sahil of Africa.
Idk lol sounds like ancient fiction no upper lips, have four feet, and only has one eye on his forehead. He was looking for book sales
the are actually a tribe of pygmies in Africa the average Male height is 4ft tall you can search them.
and the third eye is probably a body modification just like the strange traditionsn many Africans tribes do to this day.
I don't know what to make of this account. If I were one of these explorers I would have been skeptical about bringing such a report back to my people. It seems they didn't do much exploring, but more interviewing people who knew nothing about the lands further up the Nile. It sounds like they were sensationalists who really just wanted to get likes on their youtube videos or Instagram posts.
I don't think they were being intentionally deceptive. Like you said, they interviewed people any probably got some bad translations. Especially if things had to get translated multiple times before getting to Latin.
They just described what they saw.
Many of the drawings of strange humans shown are from the Mappa Mundi at Hereford Cathedral which are 13 century .
Ever considered doing a select letter from the Paston family?