This is a neat idea. I think, however, that Link might just default to the design of Toon Link as Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks are both DS games.
But since Young Link and Toon Link are considered separate characters in the real Smash games it might be weird for Toon Link to take over as the main Link.
HazardZone! Thank you so much for the shoutout and the wonderful nods to my Channel! I'm glad to have inspired this premise across the gaming community, and I can see it becoming more apparent in time! I will watch this video in full and write a review when I get home! In the meantime, I look forward to seeing more of your content in time. Will also be happy to give you a shout out in my next stream!
Thank you so much. I love seeing people make models and I love the premise in and of itself. I like that in your most recent upload itself how you tried to make him more unique in moveset. Hope you like the video once you watch it
I remember as a kid I used to go to the after school program, which was just a bunch of kids hanging out in the lunchroom after school hours. It’s meant to give parents time to get off work so they can pick their kids up, anyway. My time in the program was spent almost entirely on my Ds playing games with other kids. I remember vividly a kid telling me about smash bros on the Ds as well as Mario galaxy and that’d he’d give me his copies to barrow if I gave him a few of my Pokémon cards. Lmao to this day, I’m still waiting for him to get the copies from his grandmas cabin.
To be honest, I could see Lucas working out on the DS game since his original game is on a handheld console. Also for the fact that Mother 3 is the only Mother game that was originally released on a handheld.
And also that it's temporary stuck in Japan because Reggie fils aime kept it from ever getting a official US release which is why I cut Lucas from my Brawl roster in favor of Isaac from Golden Sun.
Imagine if we got Ashley from Warioware she did debut on the DS in Touched, there’s also a possible Rhythm Heaven rep we could get, or even Phoenix Wright since he was mostly on Nintendo stuff back then.
I think cutting Poké Balls on the DS, a system that had two generations and some of the most beloved games (Platinum and Gen IV remakes, and Gen V in retrospect), would be a disservice. Maybe they could be simpler models, or even 2D, like on Smash for the N64?
If we ever get another smash game, Kyle Hyde would be such an interesting wild card. And him having both a normal looking costume, and a costume with a unique affect similar to the how the games look would be so cool
Despite being a What if, this was indeed considered by Sakurai on what to do with the Smash franchise after Brawl at the time stating that they want to make a Smash DS if they want it to lower the level. This is from the same page where he discussed Dixie being considered as a fighter.
I didn't know that, I would give the world to interview Sakurai or anyone else who worked on Brawl at the time to figure out what was planned and cut, and what there thought process was for picking characters
Dude this video was so well made, you are underrated…Also I love the Golden Sun nod because it’s my favorite game series I think they would add a spirit tracks stage because this would be the “New” legend of Zelda game at the time and i would have Mario and Luigi look like their Mario and Luigi games, they could’ve used sprites to try to compensate for the DS limitations…Realistically i would use Retromeshes models
I think the Pokeball item would be possible if the Pokemon were all 2D sprites with minimal animations similar to Smash 64. The selection of Pokemon would likely need to be fairly small though. I think around 12-16 would be a reasonable size and have 3-4 Pokemon represent each of the 4 generations (Gen 5 is excluded since the scenario you proposed set this game around the release of Brawl)
Since this would’ve been about the same time as Brawl, Samus’s latest 2D outing is actually Zero Mission on the GBA, not Fusion. Since that’s the game the current ZSS design is from, she’s a pretty good inclusion, especially with that time being Metroid’s golden age. Even if you want to stick with Fusion Samus over her Zero Mission design, Fusion has ending pictures showing Samus in a casual outfit that eventually becomes an alt for ZSS in Smash. Since she’s manually selectable in Brawl via a button combination, giving her a proper slot on the CSS also works to separate the two games. Also, fun fact: even though Metal Gear is mostly a home console series, it already had a handheld game in the form of Ghost Babel (2000) on the GBC by the time of Brawl. Funnily enough, it’s one of the best reviewed games in the series. Since then, we’ve had Snake Eater 3D on the 3DS; the Ac!d duology, Portable Ops, and Peace Walker (the first and only handheld mainline title) on the PSP; and now technically the Master Collection on Switch.
I stuck to Fusion cause Zero mission was a remake. I wanted to focus on main line entires rather then remakes and that type of stuff. Also, check the render I used for Snake, It from Ghost Babel
@@-hazardzone-7641 Yes, I did see that you used Shinkawa's promo art for GB, it's always nice seeing it get recognition. Fair point about Fusion, I'm just used to Pokémon counting remakes as core series games.
I don’t think Onett would be here since it wasn’t on the 3Ds version likely due to hardware limitations, also Wario Ware would likely need 3 minigames minimum
Even if Megaman is a Smash 4 guest, a part of me wants the Ashe from Megaman ZX Advent or Megaman Starforce (or Megaman.EXE from the Battle Network games if the timing's too tight) to be in that DS Smash. On a more realistic choice; Starfy, from Legend of Starfy fame. Even if his only international entry will only release in 2009 outside of Japan, having him introduced by people via Smash seems a cute option, like with Roy in Melee.
i think Roy would have fit better than Ike as an FE rep in this since Roy is from a GBA game while Ike is from a GCN game, this is a super neat concept!
Aside from the fighters and NPCs like the bosses, every item or other additional models present in a fighters moveset would just simply be 2D pixelated sprites. I mean it's what they did for the original Smash on the N64. And while this is a fun hypothetical, Smash 4's development cycle basically says to me that if a Smash game was greenlit to be on the DS Lite, it would most likely aim to be as close to and consistent with the Wii version as possible. Which in a number of ways would have impacted Brawl significantly to the point where it may have actually been worse overall.
I could see the ds version of smash just being something like mario 64 ds but for smash 64 so like most of the features of the n64 games with maybe 4 more characters and keeping all the minigames with the targets and platforms and maybe even adding one more
Interesting. I think Samus might have been based on her Prime suit, since Prime Hunters’ demo was boxed in with the og DS and was largely used to show off the system’s graphical power.
i think a way to get around a lot of issues like the pokemon or zelda's smash 4 styled down special would be using sprites, especially if they tried something simmilar to DKC having them be models made into sprites, it'd be a neat compromise i think
If this game did exist it be interesting to see why ultimate would’ve taken from this version 🤔 *obviously the DS exclusive characters would be in ultimate which would make sense*
It would've been interesting to see what a Smash Bros. DS would've been like. Great video! And yeah, Retromesh's videos on this hypothetical game are pretty great.
When I was a kid, I knew Smash first for Super Smash Flash 1, and when I finally played the real deal by Melee, I always wished they had ported Flash or made a Flash-like smash game for the GBA/DS, obviously without the Anime and Mr. Incredible, I was aware enough to know what was up with those inclusions (I thought Blade and Blue were actual obscure sonic characters though)
As palette swaps for the game, I feel like every fighter should be reduced to 4 costumes since we’re talking about hardware limitations, also I feel there would only be red and blue teams for team smash
I personally think Red Savarin from Solatorobo: Red The hunter would make an AMAZING guest character for this hypothetical Smash DS game! Seeing as that game was a DS exclusive. He'd be a heavy grappler type character. Also, going with the heavy DS representation, i think Mario Party DS should be represented in this game in the form of the minimizer. It would work like a mulit-use version of the poison mushroom. Question is, should it become part of Bowser's moveset or become an item anyone can grab?
on god i split the timeline when i was a kid clear as day i remember being in cvs with my mom and there was brawl for the ds and for the wii like around the time the game came out and i picked the wii one and i have never seen that box for the ds version again cause it doesn’t exist
They could make it where dr mario is a skin variant such as 3 recolour and 1 model which introduces an accessory like Dr mario having a white scheme with a head stethoscope or pikachu wearing ash's cap.
I like thinking about how i would be in this alternate reality. Although w the roster here id prob be a gannon main in this one cuz none of my other mains are here. Also u should do a movesett vid for each char.
I think pokeballs could stay cause, surely you could just do what the original smash 64 did and make the pokemon 2d images like what you suggested for the food items.
I've never really been too into Smash Bros, but I have to advocate for Neku from The World Ends with You if this game were to exist. Unfortunately, I don't think he really became a more well-known character until Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance released later on, making it a hard sell for people, I would think.
Silly question, but instead of Sceptile, would Grovyle work? It could draw simultaneously from the anime (Where Ash had Grovyle for a long while), and Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers ofTime/Darkness (Which were already out at the time)
I dont know how to record GBA and DS games without looking for an emulator. And the emulators I tried had slowdown issues. I would have used more GBA and DS footage if I could, but I don't have a way to record my systems
i definitely think they'd pick lucas over ness for a handheld only smash game, i could also see them doing hector or lyn instead of ike for a fire emblem rep
I think it’d be cool and on theme to have Ike as a Wii exclusive while introducing Lyn, Hector, or Eliwood as the fighter in Smash DS with their game was on the Gameboy Advance and Ike was on the home consoles 🤷♂️ could be a simple change to make the games more distinct. I’d prefer a Sacred Stones character since it’s my favorite Fire Emblem game, but I’m one of few lol
Would this have come out before or after Brawl? I believe the roster would have been the N64 12, Peach, Bowser, Zelda, *Ganondorf, *Lucario, *King Dedede with his NiD Tackle Rush instead of throwing things, *Meta Knight, *Marth, Lucas, *ROB, *Falco, Pit, & *Game & Watch. I don't think we would have gotten DS Exclusive Characters.
Awesome hypothetical for a Smash on the DS though my only gripe would be the reason you cut Dedede was because of the Gordo and Waddle Dee even though that is just one move Dedede can replace like how you gave Zelda the Ice Rod instead of the Phantom.
I get that, but unlike Zelda, DeDeDe doesn't have that many options, plus him having his minions from the games brings more of that "Video Game Badguy" energy
@@-hazardzone-7641 Fair enough, actually now that you mention it Zelda does have a plethora of magic and items to choose from for her specials while for Dedede I could only imagine him doing a Hammer Throw and from Super Star Ultra, the missiles he does when he is in his Masked Dedede form for his Side Special.
Alright, review time! First of all, the fact that you're working with a different time period provides a lot of leeway that really differentiates from my concept, so that's cool! You pretty much nailed it, and I’m glad that you took every aspect into account, including one of the most important ones being hardware limitations which a lot of people seem to forget. Limiting trophies to characters makes absolute sense; we don’t want too much clutter, but seeing the models in full is nice! I love that you included Giratina as a boss. I can’t do that for mine since my game is set before Gen IV, but it works, and the fact that it would serve as promotion for Platinum is an excellent strategy! "Great Calamity" is a very unique and profound idea. Providing a mix between worlds brings a very original dynamic that is unlike Melee's Adventure Mode and Subspace Emissary. In the end, it really captures the essence of a "crossover." I don’t have a problem with cutting out Poké Ball Pokémon! I’m still keeping them for my concept, but I admit that it poses a problem and adds more limitations. Having them as sprites wouldn’t look nice either in comparison to the other assets! Cutting them out would be the smartest choice here. I’m only including them because I’m a huge Pokémon fan, and I am dumb, but you’re very right on this! A lot of my viewers have suggested that I give Mario and Luigi their mallets for their forward smashes, and this video only made me want to do it more… ugh, dilemma! Giving love to handheld games is also something that I want to do, and I was so happy when you brought up Samus having her Fusion Suit and included a moveset based on that game. I can’t say how close your character roster will be to mine, but I can say that I can get behind yours! The roster is definitely one of the most important aspects here-it’s the face of marketing-so you want it to stand out by including popular characters, but also not be afraid to give love to lesser-known franchises, and you did that perfectly. My only critique would concern the marketing aspect. This is just an assumption on my part, but I believe that when Smash 4 was released, most of the target demographic had already aged into young adults. So I feel like there wasn’t much reliance on needing to convince parents to buy the two games. I imagine it’d be a little different here since most players would consist of children. The limited cross-compatibility would only worsen the issue. So, what I would do, if I were following a similar premise, is have the games release at least one year apart and maybe add a bit more connectivity between the two, like maybe being able to use the DS system as a controller. I know you didn’t state a specific release day in the video, so if this was the initial idea, forget about all of this! Besides that, excellent video, nothing was overlooked, and everything was broken down perfectly! 10/10 PS: I hate that Retromesh guy! He sucks and he’s stinky!
Thank you so much. I watch a couple of the streams and was worried that I was going to step on your toes with the character choices a little, so I wanted to be a little more out there with the idea. The problem I had logically thinking about the Ds being a controller for the Wii (much like how the 3ds was for the Wii U) is because I would worry in real life, the actual hardware would cause delays since the DS's actual connectivity in my experiences was pretty hit or miss I also had the issue of think how the pokemon would work with the pokeballs. Since even with sprites, visual affects would could clutter up the stage, and possibly cause slowdown on the actual DS. I had one of the Transformers games on the DS when I was young, and the game would slow down when a bunch of effects would appear on screen, and that was something that in reality , I believe Nintendo would have wanted to avoid. Thank you for the little feedback Essay on the video and I hope to see more from you soon. P.S. For Sonic, You should consider making his down air based on his bubble bounce from the classic series. It would be cool
@@-hazardzone-7641 Yes, I may have underestimated input-delays! I don't think that it would work as well as it did between the 3DS and Wii U, don't think that i'ts ever been tested. Maybe someone has done it through homebrew but I don't know xD I may be going a little too unrealistic with my concept, but we'll see how it turns out, in the end, most of my audience doesn't really care about hardware limitations, more-so the look of the game. That being said, I'm limiting the amount of pokemon on-screen to only one. I will write that down as a suggestion for Sonic since I don't really have too many ideas! I really need to play more Sonic games! I will credit you if I decide to use it!
I loved your video and your ideas but I think you were a little bit harsh with the character and stage cuts. We could see Smash 64 Remix for example and the large quantity of characters and stages (I know they're low poly but we can compare their power because of Mario 64 DS) and with characters like Dedede and Olimar you could replace the waddle dees and pikmin with 2D sprites so they don't affect performance, kinda like Mario Kart 64 with the characters being sprites but CRT TVs making it so it's not that noticeable. I'm hoping you're making a part 2 with more ideas or new videos with similar concepts! Great work!
Great video, though I am surprised to not hear anything regarding Professor Layton or Phoenix Wright (other than a passing reference to how Kyle Hyde would work), since both were highly requested characters whose whole franchise started out exclusively on handheld Nintendo consoles (I’d even argue that Kyle Hyde could be swapped out for Phoenix, given their similar playstyles). I’d say one or both of these characters would be easy pickings for a DS-centric Smash Bros., but otherwise, awesome job, I love the concept!
@@-hazardzone-7641 Professor Layton is Level 5, while Phoenix Wright is Capcom, though there are some companies that historically have close enough relations with Nintendo (like Sega, Capcom, Bandai Namco) that it seems likely they’d be willing to offer their characters anyway.
@@mysteriousone1206 Well that's the thing. I had in mind Brawl for the roster, so I didn't want to expand past the limits of that roster. And as I said in the video, the handheld wouldn't get more 3rd party reps then the Console, so unless the console version was also getting these character, they wouldn't show up in this version
Look, listen here, I didn't watch the video for you to explain this shit, but I want to say, I would be so FUCKING happy that THEY added it on the DS and changed my life forever, because I LOVE Super Smash Bros. Brawl considering it is part of my childhood growing up playing this, and IF they did, I would NONSTOP LOVING IT TIL THE DAY THAT I DIE!
Me personally as a kid I always thought if they put super Mario 64 on the ds they could have put super smash bros 64 on the ds released around the same time as brawl maybe I was just a dreamer
if smash bros was on the ds, the 3ds version would have been called super smash bros 4 or something because they have to number everything oh they did it in this timeline anyway
Believe me or not, there exist a smash bros on DS, The name is Super Smash Bros Clash iirc Edit: after a lil bit of research, Clash exist but i wasnt referering to that, i was referering to Crash. so yeah, 2 smash bros on DS
The reason I was adverse to adding a rhythm heaven character is because I feel they would need a lot of extra props and models for them to feel like they are from rhythm heaven, which I think wouldn't have been harder to implement if this was real
Maybe Add Characters from the DS Games of FF:CC Or Heracles-from the glory of Heracles there's a lot of good locations that can be turned into stages Or Sawbuck-from Black & White there are also plenty of Gym & City locations to make into stages as well Or Slime-from the DQMJ series we can also add Captain Crows ship & the Different islands as stages
This is my idea for some bosses that can be in the game I hope you like it Giratina(like you seid) Kracko (from Kirby ) King Goomba(mario 64 ds) Mother brain And Flandre Scarlet (maybe not😂)
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I think the a ds smash game would be called "Super Smash Bros Duel"
That would imply a 1v1. See the problem?
I'm guessing "Duel" would be some Yin-Yang thing serving as the Story Mode. Classic Free For Alls can still be in it.
Soupy
@@EWOODJi mean yeah but that title kinda slaps 😭. it could be duel and dual for the two screens
What does “supee” mean?
what if nintendo was nintenbob and instead of mario it was bobbio
Bobbio actually sounds like a good ripoff lol
Amazing idea.
Blow this up plz, bobbio
Bobkey Kong
Bobigi
This is a neat idea. I think, however, that Link might just default to the design of Toon Link as Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks are both DS games.
But since Young Link and Toon Link are considered separate characters in the real Smash games it might be weird for Toon Link to take over as the main Link.
HazardZone! Thank you so much for the shoutout and the wonderful nods to my Channel! I'm glad to have inspired this premise across the gaming community, and I can see it becoming more apparent in time! I will watch this video in full and write a review when I get home! In the meantime, I look forward to seeing more of your content in time. Will also be happy to give you a shout out in my next stream!
Thank you so much. I love seeing people make models and I love the premise in and of itself. I like that in your most recent upload itself how you tried to make him more unique in moveset.
Hope you like the video once you watch it
@@-hazardzone-7641Of course, and you can look forward to more from me as well!
The closest thing to that was super hero squad ds 💀
i think jump ultimate stars was closer, one of the coolest japanese exclusive ds games imo
@@clairofmemoriesthat’s what I would say too
I imagine Peach would be based on Super Princess Peach (also, Luigi as a whole should've started using Thunderhand powers in Brawl)
Thunderhand?
@@PoyoPuff999 The electricity powers brought up in the video
@@pinkiemeowstic89 Ohhhh ok
@@pinkiemeowstic89 Haven't watched it all yet
Man, if this was real...
We would have gotten 5 more characters in Ultimate
I remember as a kid I used to go to the after school program, which was just a bunch of kids hanging out in the lunchroom after school hours. It’s meant to give parents time to get off work so they can pick their kids up, anyway. My time in the program was spent almost entirely on my Ds playing games with other kids. I remember vividly a kid telling me about smash bros on the Ds as well as Mario galaxy and that’d he’d give me his copies to barrow if I gave him a few of my Pokémon cards. Lmao to this day, I’m still waiting for him to get the copies from his grandmas cabin.
I don’t see why Pokémon balls or saffron city Pokémon would have to be cut. In smash 64 they were just pictures
To be honest, I could see Lucas working out on the DS game since his original game is on a handheld console. Also for the fact that Mother 3 is the only Mother game that was originally released on a handheld.
Yeah, I guess that would have been better. Could have swapped Ness out
@@-hazardzone-7641yea, if one had to be in it’d make far more sense for it to be Lucas.
Add the fact the first DS models can run GBA games
And also that it's temporary stuck in Japan because Reggie fils aime kept it from ever getting a official US release which is why I cut Lucas from my Brawl roster in favor of Isaac from Golden Sun.
Imagine if we got Ashley from Warioware she did debut on the DS in Touched, there’s also a possible Rhythm Heaven rep we could get, or even Phoenix Wright since he was mostly on Nintendo stuff back then.
it's like billions of people had said before "IF THEY AIN'T GONNA MAKE IT, MAKE IT YOURSELF"
Thank God this is ACTUALLY HAPPINING!!!
Cloud was going to be on smash brawl but nintendo had problems with it
Yeah, that's kind of why I wasn't going to put him in here
Someone already made a full smash bros game on the DS
Imagine if Maxwell from scribblenauts was a ds fighter! No notebook typing stuff, but imagine a hero type move set for him!!
I think cutting Poké Balls on the DS, a system that had two generations and some of the most beloved games (Platinum and Gen IV remakes, and Gen V in retrospect), would be a disservice.
Maybe they could be simpler models, or even 2D, like on Smash for the N64?
Smash Ultimate would be insane in this timeline, Sammy, Ray and Isaac would be in it lol
If it's for the ds maybe add Blaze for some Sonic rush representation? Maybe have her play like Sonic but with fire added
Yo! Respect for including Kyle Hyde.
I'd love it if he was a 2D character in the same style as the character portraits in his game.
If we ever get another smash game, Kyle Hyde would be such an interesting wild card. And him having both a normal looking costume, and a costume with a unique affect similar to the how the games look would be so cool
They were supposed to make a Smash Bros DS. It would’ve been like Smash Bros 64, but it wouldn’t have worked. So they done it for the 3DS instead.
Despite being a What if, this was indeed considered by Sakurai on what to do with the Smash franchise after Brawl at the time stating that they want to make a Smash DS if they want it to lower the level. This is from the same page where he discussed Dixie being considered as a fighter.
I didn't know that, I would give the world to interview Sakurai or anyone else who worked on Brawl at the time to figure out what was planned and cut, and what there thought process was for picking characters
Dude this video was so well made, you are underrated…Also I love the Golden Sun nod because it’s my favorite game series
I think they would add a spirit tracks stage because this would be the “New” legend of Zelda game at the time and i would have Mario and Luigi look like their Mario and Luigi games, they could’ve used sprites to try to compensate for the DS limitations…Realistically i would use Retromeshes models
I think the Pokeball item would be possible if the Pokemon were all 2D sprites with minimal animations similar to Smash 64. The selection of Pokemon would likely need to be fairly small though. I think around 12-16 would be a reasonable size and have 3-4 Pokemon represent each of the 4 generations (Gen 5 is excluded since the scenario you proposed set this game around the release of Brawl)
I think the Pokémon *could* work if they were 2D sprites like they were in Smash 64, so as to put less strain on the DS hardware.
Super Smash Bros Clash was my childhood 😂
Since this would’ve been about the same time as Brawl, Samus’s latest 2D outing is actually Zero Mission on the GBA, not Fusion. Since that’s the game the current ZSS design is from, she’s a pretty good inclusion, especially with that time being Metroid’s golden age. Even if you want to stick with Fusion Samus over her Zero Mission design, Fusion has ending pictures showing Samus in a casual outfit that eventually becomes an alt for ZSS in Smash. Since she’s manually selectable in Brawl via a button combination, giving her a proper slot on the CSS also works to separate the two games.
Also, fun fact: even though Metal Gear is mostly a home console series, it already had a handheld game in the form of Ghost Babel (2000) on the GBC by the time of Brawl. Funnily enough, it’s one of the best reviewed games in the series. Since then, we’ve had Snake Eater 3D on the 3DS; the Ac!d duology, Portable Ops, and Peace Walker (the first and only handheld mainline title) on the PSP; and now technically the Master Collection on Switch.
I stuck to Fusion cause Zero mission was a remake. I wanted to focus on main line entires rather then remakes and that type of stuff.
Also, check the render I used for Snake, It from Ghost Babel
@@-hazardzone-7641 Yes, I did see that you used Shinkawa's promo art for GB, it's always nice seeing it get recognition.
Fair point about Fusion, I'm just used to Pokémon counting remakes as core series games.
I don’t think Onett would be here since it wasn’t on the 3Ds version likely due to hardware limitations, also Wario Ware would likely need 3 minigames minimum
This is such an awesome video you honestly deserve way more subscribers
If this was real, Sonic's designed would probably be based on the Sonic Rush games.
Even if Megaman is a Smash 4 guest, a part of me wants the Ashe from Megaman ZX Advent or Megaman Starforce (or Megaman.EXE from the Battle Network games if the timing's too tight) to be in that DS Smash.
On a more realistic choice; Starfy, from Legend of Starfy fame. Even if his only international entry will only release in 2009 outside of Japan, having him introduced by people via Smash seems a cute option, like with Roy in Melee.
I love this, love imagining a scenario in which ultimate included the newcomers from this game.
If Kyle Hyde showed up during the everyone is here moment in Ultimate, that would have made it even more hype
I can imagine a mode where the screen was more zoomed in but the it uses both screens so you can see
i think Roy would have fit better than Ike as an FE rep in this since Roy is from a GBA game while Ike is from a GCN game, this is a super neat concept!
Aside from the fighters and NPCs like the bosses, every item or other additional models present in a fighters moveset would just simply be 2D pixelated sprites. I mean it's what they did for the original Smash on the N64.
And while this is a fun hypothetical, Smash 4's development cycle basically says to me that if a Smash game was greenlit to be on the DS Lite, it would most likely aim to be as close to and consistent with the Wii version as possible. Which in a number of ways would have impacted Brawl significantly to the point where it may have actually been worse overall.
I could see the ds version of smash just being something like mario 64 ds but for smash 64 so like most of the features of the n64 games with maybe 4 more characters and keeping all the minigames with the targets and platforms and maybe even adding one more
1:30 when your playing Pokémon black 2 and your last Pokémon is low
Interesting. I think Samus might have been based on her Prime suit, since Prime Hunters’ demo was boxed in with the og DS and was largely used to show off the system’s graphical power.
I would chose to take to smash ds professor layton
In grade 6 me and my friend made a concept about this with a character roster (We included anime characters like Inuyasha 😂)
i think a way to get around a lot of issues like the pokemon or zelda's smash 4 styled down special would be using sprites, especially if they tried something simmilar to DKC having them be models made into sprites, it'd be a neat compromise i think
@@niczaz58 This for objects like Link's boomerang and bombs and items in general. It's what Smash 64 did.
If this game did exist it be interesting to see why ultimate would’ve taken from this version 🤔
*obviously the DS exclusive characters would be in ultimate which would make sense*
It would've been interesting to see what a Smash Bros. DS would've been like. Great video! And yeah, Retromesh's videos on this hypothetical game are pretty great.
I have a friend named josiah and he imagine the game to have 2d pixle charater models and the the stages where 3d which aint to bad of an idea
where's the rhythm heaven representation?
i literally imagined this like just after brawl on wii came out like 2008 to 2011 i had these thoughts
When I was a kid, I knew Smash first for Super Smash Flash 1, and when I finally played the real deal by Melee, I always wished they had ported Flash or made a Flash-like smash game for the GBA/DS, obviously without the Anime and Mr. Incredible, I was aware enough to know what was up with those inclusions (I thought Blade and Blue were actual obscure sonic characters though)
such a well made video
thanks
I ain’t watch the video yet but we TECHNICALLY got this with Jump ultimate stars but with anime so if I had to guess it’ll basically be that
As palette swaps for the game, I feel like every fighter should be reduced to 4 costumes since we’re talking about hardware limitations, also I feel there would only be red and blue teams for team smash
Oh yeah! Finally someone covers this guy
I personally think Red Savarin from Solatorobo: Red The hunter would make an AMAZING guest character for this hypothetical Smash DS game! Seeing as that game was a DS exclusive. He'd be a heavy grappler type character. Also, going with the heavy DS representation, i think Mario Party DS should be represented in this game in the form of the minimizer. It would work like a mulit-use version of the poison mushroom. Question is, should it become part of Bowser's moveset or become an item anyone can grab?
on god i split the timeline when i was a kid clear as day i remember being in cvs with my mom and there was brawl for the ds and for the wii like around the time the game came out and i picked the wii one and i have never seen that box for the ds version again cause it doesn’t exist
grovyle would be a better fit due to mystery dungeon on the DS
It would have been really cool if there ever really was a Super Smash Bros. game for the Nintendo DS even though the DS never got one, unfortunately.
Or a 2d sprie based game. It would save a lot of Space.
yeah! i believe theres a (fan)game like that already, so that could be the inspo
Smash Flash
@@mars_7673 yeah ther is a ds fan game calle smash Bros clash or SMTHNG like that
They could make it where dr mario is a skin variant such as 3 recolour and 1 model which introduces an accessory like Dr mario having a white scheme with a head stethoscope or pikachu wearing ash's cap.
A DS Super Smash Bros. probably wouldn't be called Super Smash Bros. Brawl DS. It would be called Super Smash Bros. Duel or something like that.
I like thinking about how i would be in this alternate reality.
Although w the roster here id prob be a gannon main in this one cuz none of my other mains are here.
Also u should do a movesett vid for each char.
Maybe at some point
I think pokeballs could stay cause, surely you could just do what the original smash 64 did and make the pokemon 2d images like what you suggested for the food items.
I've never really been too into Smash Bros, but I have to advocate for Neku from The World Ends with You if this game were to exist. Unfortunately, I don't think he really became a more well-known character until Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance released later on, making it a hard sell for people, I would think.
I really hope to see at least one world ends with you character in smash someday, they just all have a certain swagger that I love.
Silly question, but instead of Sceptile, would Grovyle work? It could draw simultaneously from the anime (Where Ash had Grovyle for a long while), and Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers ofTime/Darkness (Which were already out at the time)
I mean yeah, its just Idk if Nintendo would actually do that instead of the final evolution
Surprised you didnt use more DS and GBA footage, theres great games for it on there and they all run on the same console (early DS have GBA ports)
I dont know how to record GBA and DS games without looking for an emulator. And the emulators I tried had slowdown issues. I would have used more GBA and DS footage if I could, but I don't have a way to record my systems
That go for it man scared me
Good Video needs more subs
Underrated asf. Keep it up brother
i definitely think they'd pick lucas over ness for a handheld only smash game, i could also see them doing hector or lyn instead of ike for a fire emblem rep
Super smash crash: Am i a joke to you?
Assist trophies, pokemon and items should be pngs like smash 64
goated this guy is underated
I think it’d be cool and on theme to have Ike as a Wii exclusive while introducing Lyn, Hector, or Eliwood as the fighter in Smash DS with their game was on the Gameboy Advance and Ike was on the home consoles 🤷♂️ could be a simple change to make the games more distinct.
I’d prefer a Sacred Stones character since it’s my favorite Fire Emblem game, but I’m one of few lol
Would this have come out before or after Brawl? I believe the roster would have been the N64 12, Peach, Bowser, Zelda, *Ganondorf, *Lucario, *King Dedede with his NiD Tackle Rush instead of throwing things, *Meta Knight, *Marth, Lucas, *ROB, *Falco, Pit, & *Game & Watch. I don't think we would have gotten DS Exclusive Characters.
Around the same time. Possibly a couple of months before Brawl, or Released at the same time
Awesome hypothetical for a Smash on the DS though my only gripe would be the reason you cut Dedede was because of the Gordo and Waddle Dee even though that is just one move Dedede can replace like how you gave Zelda the Ice Rod instead of the Phantom.
I get that, but unlike Zelda, DeDeDe doesn't have that many options, plus him having his minions from the games brings more of that "Video Game Badguy" energy
@@-hazardzone-7641 Fair enough, actually now that you mention it Zelda does have a plethora of magic and items to choose from for her specials while for Dedede I could only imagine him doing a Hammer Throw and from Super Star Ultra, the missiles he does when he is in his Masked Dedede form for his Side Special.
14:28 TEAM ISSAC 🗡️🤜🏻
Alright, review time!
First of all, the fact that you're working with a different time period provides a lot of leeway that really differentiates from my concept, so that's cool! You pretty much nailed it, and I’m glad that you took every aspect into account, including one of the most important ones being hardware limitations which a lot of people seem to forget.
Limiting trophies to characters makes absolute sense; we don’t want too much clutter, but seeing the models in full is nice! I love that you included Giratina as a boss. I can’t do that for mine since my game is set before Gen IV, but it works, and the fact that it would serve as promotion for Platinum is an excellent strategy! "Great Calamity" is a very unique and profound idea. Providing a mix between worlds brings a very original dynamic that is unlike Melee's Adventure Mode and Subspace Emissary. In the end, it really captures the essence of a "crossover."
I don’t have a problem with cutting out Poké Ball Pokémon! I’m still keeping them for my concept, but I admit that it poses a problem and adds more limitations. Having them as sprites wouldn’t look nice either in comparison to the other assets! Cutting them out would be the smartest choice here. I’m only including them because I’m a huge Pokémon fan, and I am dumb, but you’re very right on this! A lot of my viewers have suggested that I give Mario and Luigi their mallets for their forward smashes, and this video only made me want to do it more… ugh, dilemma!
Giving love to handheld games is also something that I want to do, and I was so happy when you brought up Samus having her Fusion Suit and included a moveset based on that game. I can’t say how close your character roster will be to mine, but I can say that I can get behind yours! The roster is definitely one of the most important aspects here-it’s the face of marketing-so you want it to stand out by including popular characters, but also not be afraid to give love to lesser-known franchises, and you did that perfectly.
My only critique would concern the marketing aspect. This is just an assumption on my part, but I believe that when Smash 4 was released, most of the target demographic had already aged into young adults. So I feel like there wasn’t much reliance on needing to convince parents to buy the two games. I imagine it’d be a little different here since most players would consist of children. The limited cross-compatibility would only worsen the issue. So, what I would do, if I were following a similar premise, is have the games release at least one year apart and maybe add a bit more connectivity between the two, like maybe being able to use the DS system as a controller. I know you didn’t state a specific release day in the video, so if this was the initial idea, forget about all of this!
Besides that, excellent video, nothing was overlooked, and everything was broken down perfectly! 10/10
PS: I hate that Retromesh guy! He sucks and he’s stinky!
Thank you so much. I watch a couple of the streams and was worried that I was going to step on your toes with the character choices a little, so I wanted to be a little more out there with the idea.
The problem I had logically thinking about the Ds being a controller for the Wii (much like how the 3ds was for the Wii U) is because I would worry in real life, the actual hardware would cause delays since the DS's actual connectivity in my experiences was pretty hit or miss
I also had the issue of think how the pokemon would work with the pokeballs. Since even with sprites, visual affects would could clutter up the stage, and possibly cause slowdown on the actual DS.
I had one of the Transformers games on the DS when I was young, and the game would slow down when a bunch of effects would appear on screen, and that was something that in reality , I believe Nintendo would have wanted to avoid.
Thank you for the little feedback Essay on the video and I hope to see more from you soon.
P.S. For Sonic, You should consider making his down air based on his bubble bounce from the classic series. It would be cool
@@-hazardzone-7641 Yes, I may have underestimated input-delays! I don't think that it would work as well as it did between the 3DS and Wii U, don't think that i'ts ever been tested. Maybe someone has done it through homebrew but I don't know xD
I may be going a little too unrealistic with my concept, but we'll see how it turns out, in the end, most of my audience doesn't really care about hardware limitations, more-so the look of the game. That being said, I'm limiting the amount of pokemon on-screen to only one.
I will write that down as a suggestion for Sonic since I don't really have too many ideas! I really need to play more Sonic games! I will credit you if I decide to use it!
I loved your video and your ideas but I think you were a little bit harsh with the character and stage cuts.
We could see Smash 64 Remix for example and the large quantity of characters and stages (I know they're low poly but we can compare their power because of Mario 64 DS) and with characters like Dedede and Olimar you could replace the waddle dees and pikmin with 2D sprites so they don't affect performance, kinda like Mario Kart 64 with the characters being sprites but CRT TVs making it so it's not that noticeable.
I'm hoping you're making a part 2 with more ideas or new videos with similar concepts! Great work!
Great video, though I am surprised to not hear anything regarding Professor Layton or Phoenix Wright (other than a passing reference to how Kyle Hyde would work), since both were highly requested characters whose whole franchise started out exclusively on handheld Nintendo consoles (I’d even argue that Kyle Hyde could be swapped out for Phoenix, given their similar playstyles). I’d say one or both of these characters would be easy pickings for a DS-centric Smash Bros., but otherwise, awesome job, I love the concept!
Is Layton Nintendo? I know Phoenix Wright isn't, but I wasn't sure with Layton
@@-hazardzone-7641 Professor Layton is Level 5, while Phoenix Wright is Capcom, though there are some companies that historically have close enough relations with Nintendo (like Sega, Capcom, Bandai Namco) that it seems likely they’d be willing to offer their characters anyway.
@@mysteriousone1206 Well that's the thing. I had in mind Brawl for the roster, so I didn't want to expand past the limits of that roster. And as I said in the video, the handheld wouldn't get more 3rd party reps then the Console, so unless the console version was also getting these character, they wouldn't show up in this version
One 3rd party that could've been in is Mega Man Zero, since that came out on the game boy advance
i only clicked cuz i had the same idea
Look, listen here, I didn't watch the video for you to explain this shit, but I want to say, I would be so FUCKING happy that THEY added it on the DS and changed my life forever, because I LOVE Super Smash Bros. Brawl considering it is part of my childhood growing up playing this, and IF they did, I would NONSTOP LOVING IT TIL THE DAY THAT I DIE!
Me personally as a kid I always thought if they put super Mario 64 on the ds they could have put super smash bros 64 on the ds released around the same time as brawl maybe I was just a dreamer
I think that pokeballs could stay if the pokemon are sprites instead of models like smash 64
4:22 stop the hate that stage is amazing Pokeball Pokémon’s can be Sprites like in the N64 Version
if smash bros was on the ds, the 3ds version would have been called super smash bros 4 or something because they have to number everything
oh they did it in this timeline anyway
Believe me or not, there exist a smash bros on DS, The name is Super Smash Bros Clash iirc
Edit: after a lil bit of research, Clash exist but i wasnt referering to that, i was referering to Crash. so yeah, 2 smash bros on DS
As much as I love the fact that Isaac gets to be a playable character, with all the other sacrifices this game had to make, it just isn't worth it.
I mean, hypnotically, if this game were to be real, He would join in ultimate with all the features he missed out on
Leave that to retromesh
Who remembers the old smash bros 2d Ds games that those hacking cartridges had?
There was a DS Version! It's called Super Smash Crash DS! But it was a home-brew game
I feel like jigglypuff would Stay do to her being a simple addition
Retromesh is working on concept for it
I wonder if I said that in the video?
@@-hazardzone-7641 oop my bad
I feel like if they ever did make a ds smash bros game it would probably be just a smash 64 remake
Yeah I wonder why we didn’t get a Smash Bros on the DS if we got one I could’ve been called Super Smash Bros Kung Fu or Super Smash Bros Infinite
Every character should have a ski. That's just a Pokemon
Huh, I'm surprised you didn't include a rhythm heaven character as a potential new commer; they are mainly portable games
The reason I was adverse to adding a rhythm heaven character is because I feel they would need a lot of extra props and models for them to feel like they are from rhythm heaven, which I think wouldn't have been harder to implement if this was real
Maybe Add Characters from the DS Games of FF:CC
Or Heracles-from the glory of Heracles there's a lot of good locations that can be turned into stages
Or Sawbuck-from Black & White there are also plenty of Gym & City locations to make into stages as well
Or Slime-from the DQMJ series we can also add Captain Crows ship & the Different islands as stages
This is my idea for some bosses that can be in the game I hope you like it
Giratina(like you seid)
Kracko (from Kirby )
King Goomba(mario 64 ds)
Mother brain
And Flandre Scarlet (maybe not😂)
It would be like smash bros for 3DS/Wii U
Bowser and snake is probably a hell no
As in?
@@malcolmlloydandrileyproduc6451 Snake is no issue. Make his projectiles 2D.
There's actually a series on RUclips that focuses on this concept
I wonder if I talked about that same channel in both the video and the description
@@-hazardzone-7641 yeah that's him