None affliliated link. I did not get paid anything for this video, I just wanted to support local artist and you can too. www.kickstarter.com/projects/1669379432/songe-le-violoncelle-au-coeur-dune-reverie
@@vincentbelanger5078Intéressant. Votre passion et "joie de vivre" fait plaisir à voir ... C'est vrai que les musiciens sont souvent réputés pour négliger le système de restitution sonore. Pourtant, le travail en studio est souvent soigné (prise de son, mixage, masterisation), il est donc logique de soigner le reste de la "chaîne" afin, notamment, de rendre justice au travail produit ... Et dans cette chaîne, il y a la pièce d'écoute et la façon dont elle est traitée et dont les enceintes sont positionnées. Ps : vous écoutez également du jazz ou d'autres genres de musique que le "classique" et le contemporain ?
I’m a musician -audiophile with a Mcintosh and Tannoy based system. I know that chasing accuracy is complete nonsense regarding processed studio recordings. But chasing a system that makes your music sound great to you is the key to happiness.
@@MasterofPlay7… Don‘t think that tube gear always sounds „warm and cosy“. Some does, but that is the less good one IMO. Instead good tube gear sounds VERY open, dynamic and clear with lots of detail but never losing the big picture of the music.
As a musician myself he is correct on all accounts. A good cello costs a ton of money. Just a good bow does. So we musicians spend most of our money on our instruments. And we play them live in our home for music. And yeah after doing it for a job, you kinda want silence when coming home. Myself I only bought a great system after I got a repetitive stress injury and can’t play anymore. So I got a system to try and fill in that gap. Which unfortunately it doesn’t completely. There is NOTHING like making music yourself on an instrument.
I remember him mentioning he wants to be moved to tears by audio, I think this is somewhat the pinnacle of the listening experience. Not necessarily always being moved to tears because of something sad but mostly I’m awe of the beauty of the music. My system does this to me alot of my serious listening sessions and it’s such a big stress reliever and amazing feeling when it happens. If you’re crying too your system you know you got the right speakers I think.
Kudos to Vincent for the brilliant idea and the trouble to use batteries for the recording. From my experience they are quite cleaner and dependable than wall power but they also need some measures to reduce transient noise rise and contamination of the signal. Proper and meticulous earthing of equipment is paramount too.
Ce merveilleux violoncelliste est touchant et tellement talentueux. On entend combien il veut offrir la meilleur musique et les plus grandes émotions, ce qui lui tiens a cœur. Le Québec est privilégié de l'avoir comme artiste et qui a pris comme side line le lien entre la musique et sa reproduction totale, avec le meilleur AN. J'adore voir les a cotés entre le systeme, le vin, les jeux etc. Il est un bon vivant et attachant. Je l'ai vue jouer en concert a la place des arts avec les 9 de Montréal et c'est débile!!! Merci M Vincent
Wonderful interview/discussion. Thanks for sharing it. I really resonate with the approach Vincent describes. Playing real instruments with emotion in an acoustically interesting setting. Recording it well without mixing or audio engineering foolery. And the church as an integral part of the performance where you may hear the interaction of the musicians and the setting. Then the system must be capable of resolving low level information. AN's Peter has been on the right path. He focuses on uncomplicated triode based systems very well implemented. He recognized the benefits of Blackgate capacitors and bought up the entire inventory. I take a similar approach with my diy system.
I had the pleasure to see Vincent in person 2 times and it's magical to hear him play. His new album he is making now will be great and I can't wait to have a listen. Not sure if you know of them, Simply Three, they are 3 musicians, one plays the violin, the second artist plays the Cello like Vincent and the 3rd plays the double bass and they are also magical when I play there music on my hifi system. So looking forward to the new album from Vincent. Great video. I have just subscribed.
Most audiophiles I know use music to listen to their equipment, on other hand, a music lover appreciates music whether played on a radio or high end system. Some of my best listening experiences came from music played on a humble portable casstte player😂 in the company of good friends.
Apart from the obvious fact most musicians don't have the cash for a serious hifi system, in my experience most musicians just need enough of a music setup to hear the performance clearly. Which can be done nowadays with an iPod or Bluetooth speaker like a Sonos.
Musicians tend to play and listen to music because it 'transports them to another place'. It literally moves them to tears, gives them goosebumps and sends shivers up and down their spine. Music is an 'expression of their soul', it's art and it's very personal and individual in its effect and appreciation. When I'm 'in the zone' I look down at my hands on the piano and they no longer seem like my hands. When I play the pipe organ I often feel that I am indeed transported to another place. It's a euphoric feeling that I can see in other musicians of all genres at times. When I listen to reproduced music on even a 'high-end' system, it can sometimes move me but not to the same extent, no matter how technically good/accurate the system is. Perhaps it's because it isn't live. Perhaps it's because even the best speakers, do not move the air in the same way as musical instruments do at source. Even a modest church pipe organ has around 2000 individual speaking pipes that sound very different when reproduced through two or four speakers. Perhaps its because recording engineers have their own preferences to what sounds right, but they can only go on how their ears and brain are on the day and when using that specific particular recording equipment and headphones/monitors. Every room that the recording is going to be reproduced in is different and has different acoustic properties. Every piece of reproduction equipment will be different from that used at the recording. Every person listening is different too. If I play a recording again, it's obviously exactly the same, like looking at artificial woodgrain effects that repeat precisely but unnaturally. On lower quality systems, I'm sort of using the music to listen out for imperfections in the reproduction equipment. Upgrading cables, re capping or re biasing (if valves/tubes are involved) etc just add to that feeling. I'm no longer listening to the music in the same way as I do at a concert or when playing myself. I'm constantly listening out for poor or uneven frequency response, distortion on louder passages, lack of or too much (artificially added) dynamic range, poor e.q. in the recording etc etc. I'm also an electronics engineer and love building, designing, repairing and upgrading equipment. I think they are two (music and electronics) very different but equally rewarding hobbies. I long ago gave up trying to recreate the same emotions I get from live music by artificial means. The process of diminishing returns to get every possible bit of improvement, but never really achieving satisfaction is just too expensive and ultimately frustrating. Ofen placebo effects convince one person that they've made an improvement, but it's just a bit different and possibly actually made things worse. Like that feeling that your car's running better for just vacuuming it inside and giving it a good wash and polish. Another will swear by this cable or a particular brand of component or be into tube/opamp rolling without appreciating that the rest of the circuit will need changing/adjusting to get the best out of the new device - let alone doing any actual measurements or looking at waveforms before and after on an oscilloscope. There are just too many opinions about what sounds right or correct, usually with no proper double blind testing to back them up.
I like the Vincent system. The components aren't in order as usual although he appreciates listening. This is how it should be..enjoy the music. congrats.
Great topic, thank you for this. Both you and Vincent are dead on. I have to be in a different state of listening than when on a gig/concert - or right after one. The vibe of interaction - say in a classical or jazz quartet - in itself - kind of overtakes what a good system can do. Said system has to be capable enough to bring the coherency and realism of an actual performance - or simply needs to match the feeling of a really good recording space. But that doesn’t mean musicians do not want one. And then it’s also: “Do I buy a new power amp or a new saxophone mouthpiece?” Or better: Will my wife tolerate hearing my system right after I’ve just practiced for two hours?” But hey…Master Belanger explains this best 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼👍🏼💯
Musicians can feel and understand what the music is doing just by playing it in their head. They have good audiation. They dont even need a system to hear musically whats going on. Non-musician audiophiles can't do this, and thus go on a fruitless search to try and find it. Audiophiles tend to have a very predictable taste too - Floyd, Straits, Clapton etc. Or they say 'I love all music'.
Many musicians don't care about music reproduction. They're interested in playing the music and when they are not playing it, they can imagine the music just by reading the score. Imagining the music while reading (or creating) the score is the main reason they really don't care very much about music reproduction. Not even the highest end system can reproduce the music the way it is reproduced in the musician's mind. In many ways it would be an anticlimax and a distraction for them. They imagine their ideal and when they then play or conduct they try to reach the ideal that is in their mind. Btw many musicians do not attend live concerts either, for much the same reasons. They are creators (at different levels) of music, not consumers of music.
"Sounds better than the concert hall" Yes, that's one of the things that make hi-fi an expensive hobby: when you go to a concert you need to get the best seats otherwise the sound can be underwhelming.
Vincent Belanger is great for this industrie he is what some times is the missing link in this idustrie, and its hard to argue he is not in the hobby for the love of music because first he is a professional musican how obviously is passionate about it and secondly he chose to be a spokesman for Audio Note UK witch has a awsome reputition yes i belive he is the real-deal.
It would have been interesting if you had given (not a review) but your description on the sound caracteristics of Vincent systems - as it appear quite different then your own.
His father is right. A good audio system sounds better than a concert. They have great dinamic range but unfortunately big spaces like concert halls have bad acoustics and most of the time they are helped with class D amplification and high efficiency loudspeakers.
I saw Peter White in Concert and he was great! After the show, he greeted his fans in the lobby. I asked him what was the kind of Stereo he had at home? He told me he had a garage full of eqyitment that he doesn’t even use anymore. He said he has given away a lot of great stuff to friend. While at home relaxing, he says he listens to Headphones. He told me it brings him closer to the music! He said he has many different kinds of phones to listen too! 6:27
We don't have a lot of extra money laying around to buy gear and we spend most of our days playing and trying to improve the sounds we create. I actually do have some nice gear but I don't really sit and listen to music very much. I probably spend more time just listening to my Airpod Pros while I'm traveling than any other place. I do love to put music on at home and listen through my Buchardt A500 or my Hedd MkII or my Audeze LCD-X. All sound great.
Most musicians i personally know have other priorities on a hifi system then most audiophiles. It’s not about measurements, it’s about the sound they love and know… Most of them know the impact of the room and there startingpoint will always be a bit different then on where a audiophile will start. And also it depends on what kind of music they are working… Mostly they don’t want to have a one trick pony system, that plays all kinds of music real great…the are willing to make compromises. Much more then a ordenary audiophile will do. It’s more about the emotion that the system is possible to show.
Thomas, I’m surprised that you were not aware of the cost of professional quality cello’s. Just look at them! Imagine what is required to optimize their sound quality. How much did you think they cost? Great interview!
I think it was Leonard Bernstein who, when he was given a demonstration of the compact disc and player, said that it was the best way to record classical music. Please correct me if I am mistaken.
I spent 50 years as a musician with several years of supplementing income selling high end audio.....to answer your question...musicians actually feel the difference between live and recorded music...they are inclined to spend their resources on pursuits associated with creating and performing live music...its that simple. The elephant in the room for most professional musicians is the cost of high end audio systems...for real
Audiophile is a Hobby, My 1st system in the 90s I paid $3k after the original owner paid over $50k I also once owned a Venue for live and recorded performances. Hobbies !Patak watch collectors can pay $50k for 1 watch that will immediately be valued at $5 million. Just enjoy the sound.. You don't have to spend a lot for a deep dark detailed Soundstage with pinpoint life like imaging. With current Technology.
Im a musician , and a part time audiophile.. However, i much prefer to 'Play' a guitar from the collection than listen to 'reproduction' from a Hi End Stereo. Listening to a hifi system is merely a 'Ghost' or 2nd Hand experience compared to making music yourself in the moment ..There is no comparison . Its the same for a Professional Sports persons experience ON the field of play vs the fan in the stand, or the buzz the band playing is experiencing vs the audience.. Musicians will often be hankering for that $10,000 Archtop guitar much more so than the $10,000 DAC
The most important topics covered around 15-minutes? Good. Maybe interview a drummer / percussionist next time given that most drummers in my neighborhood admired my hi fi set-up for being how close it sounds to the real thing.
because they can't afford them because they've never heard one / dont know what they are (missing) because they live in small flats so can't have a good / loud 2 channel speaker system ...
Its funny how nobody every mentions the quality of the recording microphones. I mean you really need some high quality recording gear, what are they using ? This is interesting to me.
Musicians understand how to build the best systems, and the best amps in history were designed by musicians such as Kondo, Levinson, etc. One theory I heard is that musicians understand the feeling of "flow" they get into while playing, and they build systems to replicate that state while listening, otherwise it's not enjoyable. If you're not a musician you can't understand, you are building from numbers or "remembrances" of being in an audience, or at the minimum needing to listen to an EXTREMELY diverse set of genres. Completely different.
I've been a musician forty year's ,had pro hi-fi 35 years, I don't know any other musicians that own a hifi. I don't get caught up in the audiohile nonsense I just listen to my music for enjoyment .
Funny, we, audiophiles, always knew and know: It's never as good as in a concert hall!! (I mean good, centered, front-lines seats). The only better things are...well, exclusivity (our systems treat us like the person of honour), unrivaled convenience (our time, our place) and controlled repeatability.
Because ,the hi-fi system as good could be and expensive could cost, don't compete with the sound of an instrument in a room, I'm a musician, and an audiophile.
The fact that most leads are unbalanced shows that they are not really that concerned about sound quality. There's an awful lot of "We saw you coming" to pay for "audiophile" gear.
Real musicians listen to the timing, intonation and emotions and they see the notes in their head. They are not interested in how the recording sounds because that's only a small part of their experience. Their own instrument is always very close to their ears, so they are used to hear a bad balance. And at home, an AM radio sound is enough for them to know how it is played.
Musicians "get it" and that means that they are far less tolerant with the distortions that audiophiles brag about. For example, take the typical close miking. Since when does real life sound like we have our ears inches in front of all instruments or voices - at the same time? Then the distortion that you all call "imaging". It does not exist - even on stage. The drivel about "musical systems" is also difficult. Musical is when the hearts of the musician touch one another - not when the audiophile has a wet dream. The real musicality is audible to a musician even with a Bose Acoustimass system. Maybe better quality systems would be more interesting to musicians if the engineers actually paid attention to reality!
Why don’t musicians buy good HiFi systems? Maybe it is because a musician understands that the most important part of appreciating music is something immaterial: the mind. With a mind that is properly trained, the actual physical source of the music is irrelevant. In fact the actual physical source becomes unnecessary. Why spend a bunch of money on something physical when it is irrelevant to appreciating the music? The musician trains their mind instead and this does not require any physical sound reproduction equipment. Beethoven was deaf when he wrote his ninth symphony, yet I am sure that he heard every note.
Musicians, I notice, are too busy trying to improve on their craft. I have friends and relatives who play, and it boggles the mind as to why their systems are crap. At best, their systems fall under "decent", but nothing for audiophiles to become excited about. The ones who have decent to nice systems, at least from the ones I've seen, have money to burn. Hey, that's probably it. $$$!
Because A Fool And His Money Are Soon Parted. One gets caught up chasing a sound, they've forgotten the joy of just listening to their music and NOT their system.
A lot of musician lost their part of their hearing from playing music, when you have Tinnitus ( Buzzing, Roaring, Clicking, Hissing, Humming) I doubt you can hear the difference between a $1000 and $40 000 audio system.
None affliliated link. I did not get paid anything for this video, I just wanted to support local artist and you can too.
www.kickstarter.com/projects/1669379432/songe-le-violoncelle-au-coeur-dune-reverie
I do I buy the best of both
@@vincentbelanger5078Intéressant. Votre passion et "joie de vivre" fait plaisir à voir ... C'est vrai que les musiciens sont souvent réputés pour négliger le système de restitution sonore. Pourtant, le travail en studio est souvent soigné (prise de son, mixage, masterisation), il est donc logique de soigner le reste de la "chaîne" afin, notamment, de rendre justice au travail produit ... Et dans cette chaîne, il y a la pièce d'écoute et la façon dont elle est traitée et dont les enceintes sont positionnées.
Ps : vous écoutez également du jazz ou d'autres genres de musique que le "classique" et le contemporain ?
@@daviddavis61oui! Je récupère d’ailleurs certaines compositions de Conversations, album que j’ai fait en duo avec Anne Bisson.
I’m a musician -audiophile with a Mcintosh and Tannoy based system. I know that chasing accuracy is complete nonsense regarding processed studio recordings. But chasing a system that makes your music sound great to you is the key to happiness.
I happy to hear this from a musician
Yes, I knew this long ago, it should sound good to you, some people like dynamic and punch some people like cozy warmth of tubes
@@MasterofPlay7… Don‘t think that tube gear always sounds „warm and cosy“. Some does, but that is the less good one IMO.
Instead good tube gear sounds VERY open, dynamic and clear with lots of detail but never losing the big picture of the music.
@@bikemike1118 yes is just a generalization
I have a few of his pressings. Stunningly mastered. ❤
Thanks for sharing Thomas.
As a musician myself he is correct on all accounts. A good cello costs a ton of money. Just a good bow does.
So we musicians spend most of our money on our instruments. And we play them live in our home for music.
And yeah after doing it for a job, you kinda want silence when coming home.
Myself I only bought a great system after I got a repetitive stress injury and can’t play anymore. So I got a system to try and fill in that gap. Which unfortunately it doesn’t completely. There is NOTHING like making music yourself on an instrument.
I remember him mentioning he wants to be moved to tears by audio, I think this is somewhat the pinnacle of the listening experience. Not necessarily always being moved to tears because of something sad but mostly I’m awe of the beauty of the music. My system does this to me alot of my serious listening sessions and it’s such a big stress reliever and amazing feeling when it happens. If you’re crying too your system you know you got the right speakers I think.
Awesome interview. Great to see a world class musician's thoughts on it. Excellent work.
Many thanks!
Vincent, thank you for sharing! I need to look for your albums.
@@HD-su9sq Don't forget the kuckstarter for his new album.
Kudos to Vincent for the brilliant idea and the trouble to use batteries for the recording. From my experience they are quite cleaner and dependable than wall power but they also need some measures to reduce transient noise rise and contamination of the signal. Proper and meticulous earthing of equipment is paramount too.
Thanks for the advice!
@@vincentbelanger5078 you're wellcome! Your music is great!
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Ce merveilleux violoncelliste est touchant et tellement talentueux. On entend combien il veut offrir la meilleur musique et les plus grandes émotions, ce qui lui tiens a cœur. Le Québec est privilégié de l'avoir comme artiste et qui a pris comme side line le lien entre la musique et sa reproduction totale, avec le meilleur AN. J'adore voir les a cotés entre le systeme, le vin, les jeux etc. Il est un bon vivant et attachant. Je l'ai vue jouer en concert a la place des arts avec les 9 de Montréal et c'est débile!!! Merci M Vincent
Merci beaucoup pour votre message!
@@vincentbelanger5078 Ou est le meilleur endroit pour se procurer vos vinyles?
Wonderful interview/discussion. Thanks for sharing it.
I really resonate with the approach Vincent describes. Playing real instruments with emotion in an acoustically interesting setting. Recording it well without mixing or audio engineering foolery. And the church as an integral part of the performance where you may hear the interaction of the musicians and the setting.
Then the system must be capable of resolving low level information. AN's Peter has been on the right path. He focuses on uncomplicated triode based systems very well implemented. He recognized the benefits of Blackgate capacitors and bought up the entire inventory. I take a similar approach with my diy system.
He seems so happy. I wish I was as happy as this man.
I had the pleasure to see Vincent in person 2 times and it's magical to hear him play. His new album he is making now will be great and I can't wait to have a listen. Not sure if you know of them, Simply Three, they are 3 musicians, one plays the violin, the second artist plays the Cello like Vincent and the 3rd plays the double bass and they are also magical when I play there music on my hifi system. So looking forward to the new album from Vincent. Great video. I have just subscribed.
Many thanks!
No i don't know them. Thanks for subscribing.
Most audiophiles I know use music to listen to their equipment, on other hand, a music lover appreciates music whether played on a radio or high end system. Some of my best listening experiences came from music played on a humble portable casstte player😂 in the company of good friends.
🙋♂️THOMAS,GREAT INTERVIEW 🤗AND EXPLANATIONS 🧐💚💚💚
Apart from the obvious fact most musicians don't have the cash for a serious hifi system, in my experience most musicians just need enough of a music setup to hear the performance clearly. Which can be done nowadays with an iPod or Bluetooth speaker like a Sonos.
Musicians tend to play and listen to music because it 'transports them to another place'. It literally moves them to tears, gives them goosebumps and sends shivers up and down their spine. Music is an 'expression of their soul', it's art and it's very personal and individual in its effect and appreciation.
When I'm 'in the zone' I look down at my hands on the piano and they no longer seem like my hands.
When I play the pipe organ I often feel that I am indeed transported to another place.
It's a euphoric feeling that I can see in other musicians of all genres at times.
When I listen to reproduced music on even a 'high-end' system, it can sometimes move me but not to the same extent, no matter how technically good/accurate the system is. Perhaps it's because it isn't live. Perhaps it's because even the best speakers, do not move the air in the same way as musical instruments do at source. Even a modest church pipe organ has around 2000 individual speaking pipes that sound very different when reproduced through two or four speakers.
Perhaps its because recording engineers have their own preferences to what sounds right, but they can only go on how their ears and brain are on the day and when using that specific particular recording equipment and headphones/monitors. Every room that the recording is going to be reproduced in is different and has different acoustic properties. Every piece of reproduction equipment will be different from that used at the recording. Every person listening is different too.
If I play a recording again, it's obviously exactly the same, like looking at artificial woodgrain effects that repeat precisely but unnaturally.
On lower quality systems, I'm sort of using the music to listen out for imperfections in the reproduction equipment. Upgrading cables, re capping or re biasing (if valves/tubes are involved) etc just add to that feeling. I'm no longer listening to the music in the same way as I do at a concert or when playing myself. I'm constantly listening out for poor or uneven frequency response, distortion on louder passages, lack of or too much (artificially added) dynamic range, poor e.q. in the recording etc etc.
I'm also an electronics engineer and love building, designing, repairing and upgrading equipment.
I think they are two (music and electronics) very different but equally rewarding hobbies. I long ago gave up trying to recreate the same emotions I get from live music by artificial means. The process of diminishing returns to get every possible bit of improvement, but never really achieving satisfaction is just too expensive and ultimately frustrating.
Ofen placebo effects convince one person that they've made an improvement, but it's just a bit different and possibly actually made things worse. Like that feeling that your car's running better for just vacuuming it inside and giving it a good wash and polish. Another will swear by this cable or a particular brand of component or be into tube/opamp rolling without appreciating that the rest of the circuit will need changing/adjusting to get the best out of the new device - let alone doing any actual measurements or looking at waveforms before and after on an oscilloscope. There are just too many opinions about what sounds right or correct, usually with no proper double blind testing to back them up.
Musicians don't listen analytically. They listen emotionally.
Spot on
I like the Vincent system. The components aren't in order as usual although he appreciates listening. This is how it should be..enjoy the music. congrats.
Well said!
@@ThomasAndStereo Wow, Thomas the legendary hifi stories man answer to my comment. Greetings from Lisbon, Portugal.
@@OigresAviap😂 Congrats and greets to Portugal
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Great topic, thank you for this. Both you and Vincent are dead on. I have to be in a different state of listening than when on a gig/concert - or right after one.
The vibe of interaction - say in a classical or jazz quartet - in itself - kind of overtakes what a good system can do. Said system has to be capable enough to bring the coherency and realism of an actual performance - or simply needs to match the feeling of a really good recording space.
But that doesn’t mean musicians do not want one. And then it’s also:
“Do I buy a new power amp or a new saxophone mouthpiece?”
Or better:
Will my wife tolerate hearing my system right after I’ve just practiced for two hours?”
But hey…Master Belanger explains this best 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼👍🏼💯
Musicians can feel and understand what the music is doing just by playing it in their head. They have good audiation. They dont even need a system to hear musically whats going on. Non-musician audiophiles can't do this, and thus go on a fruitless search to try and find it. Audiophiles tend to have a very predictable taste too - Floyd, Straits, Clapton etc. Or they say 'I love all music'.
I'm Ok with listening to music on my mobile if I like it, although I prefer my main system.
I understand. And what do you think of my new project Songe?
@@vincentbelanger5078I'll check it out.
Great question! It would be interesting for your channel to interview musicians who have unique opinions about recorded music playback.
That's a great idea!
Many musicians don't care about music reproduction. They're interested in playing the music and when they are not playing it, they can imagine the music just by reading the score. Imagining the music while reading (or creating) the score is the main reason they really don't care very much about music reproduction. Not even the highest end system can reproduce the music the way it is reproduced in the musician's mind. In many ways it would be an anticlimax and a distraction for them. They imagine their ideal and when they then play or conduct they try to reach the ideal that is in their mind. Btw many musicians do not attend live concerts either, for much the same reasons. They are creators (at different levels) of music, not consumers of music.
@@razisn Good reasoning
"Sounds better than the concert hall" Yes, that's one of the things that make hi-fi an expensive hobby: when you go to a concert you need to get the best seats otherwise the sound can be underwhelming.
Vincent Belanger is great for this industrie he is what some times is the missing link in this idustrie, and its hard to argue he is not in the hobby for the love of music because first he is a professional musican how obviously is passionate about it and secondly he chose to be a spokesman for Audio Note UK witch has a awsome reputition yes i belive he is the real-deal.
great guy.
That's easy. They spend it all on instruments and such 😅
Good guess
I’m not a musician, I just love music. Perfection is unobtainable, I’m quite happy with my system as is. That’s all that matters.
It would have been interesting if you had given (not a review) but your description on the sound caracteristics of Vincent systems - as it appear quite different then your own.
True true! I forgot!
His father is right. A good audio system sounds better than a concert. They have great dinamic range but unfortunately big spaces like concert halls have bad acoustics and most of the time they are helped with class D amplification and high efficiency loudspeakers.
I saw Peter White in Concert and he was great! After the show, he greeted his fans in the lobby. I asked him what was the kind of Stereo he had at home? He told me he had a garage full of eqyitment that he doesn’t even use anymore. He said he has given away a lot of great stuff to friend.
While at home relaxing, he says he listens to Headphones. He told me it brings him closer to the music!
He said he has many different kinds of phones to listen too! 6:27
We don't have a lot of extra money laying around to buy gear and we spend most of our days playing and trying to improve the sounds we create. I actually do have some nice gear but I don't really sit and listen to music very much. I probably spend more time just listening to my Airpod Pros while I'm traveling than any other place. I do love to put music on at home and listen through my Buchardt A500 or my Hedd MkII or my Audeze LCD-X. All sound great.
Most musicians i personally know have other priorities on a hifi system then most audiophiles. It’s not about measurements, it’s about the sound they love and know…
Most of them know the impact of the room and there startingpoint will always be a bit different then on where a audiophile will start.
And also it depends on what kind of music they are working…
Mostly they don’t want to have a one trick pony system, that plays all kinds of music real great…the are willing to make compromises. Much more then a ordenary audiophile will do. It’s more about the emotion that the system is possible to show.
Very cool
Thomas, I’m surprised that you were not aware of the cost of professional quality cello’s. Just look at them! Imagine what is required to optimize their sound quality.
How much did you think they cost?
Great interview!
I thought about $10k.
@ I see. Fair enough.
Great topic for hifi lovers :)
BTW - great, very expensive system from Audio Note and little ifi neo DAC :)
The Ifi Neo DAC is used for my games 🤣 and it works very well!
Nice video ! Was the speaker also Audio Note ?
Yes: AN-K
I think it was Leonard Bernstein who, when he was given a demonstration of the compact disc and player, said that it was the best way to record classical music. Please correct me if I am mistaken.
Oh, interesting.
I spent 50 years as a musician with several years of supplementing income selling high end audio.....to answer your question...musicians actually feel the difference between live and recorded music...they are inclined to spend their resources on pursuits associated with creating and performing live music...its that simple. The elephant in the room for most professional musicians is the cost of high end audio systems...for real
Audiophile is a Hobby, My 1st system in the 90s I paid $3k after the original owner paid over $50k I also once owned a Venue for live and recorded performances.
Hobbies !Patak watch collectors can pay $50k for 1 watch that will immediately be valued at $5 million. Just enjoy the sound.. You don't have to spend a lot for a deep dark detailed Soundstage with pinpoint life like imaging. With current Technology.
First comment? I hope to see you at Axpona!
Me too!
Im a musician , and a part time audiophile.. However, i much prefer to 'Play' a guitar from the collection than listen to 'reproduction' from a Hi End Stereo. Listening to a hifi system is merely a 'Ghost' or 2nd Hand experience compared to making music yourself in the moment ..There is no comparison
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Its the same for a Professional Sports persons experience ON the field of play vs the fan in the stand, or the buzz the band playing is experiencing vs the audience..
Musicians will often be hankering for that $10,000 Archtop guitar much more so than the $10,000 DAC
The most important topics covered around 15-minutes? Good. Maybe interview a drummer / percussionist next time given that most drummers in my neighborhood admired my hi fi set-up for being how close it sounds to the real thing.
because they can't afford them
because they've never heard one / dont know what they are (missing)
because they live in small flats so can't have a good / loud 2 channel speaker system
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Truth ❤
Simple answer is: When music is your job, unless you’re a workaholic, it’s impossible to be your hobby.
Thomas you lost the magic of been just an audiophile.
I feel sorry for you my brother!💞
Its funny how nobody every mentions the quality of the recording microphones. I mean you really need some high quality recording gear, what are they using ? This is interesting to me.
We are presently doing test: Rode tube K2, Akg 414, sennheiser E914. Oktava Mc 012, etc do you have any suggestions?
Thomas, you have to have a personal microphone as well. Bad sound quality on a good intetview.
I am so cheap to buy another Mic :)
Musicians understand how to build the best systems, and the best amps in history were designed by musicians such as Kondo, Levinson, etc. One theory I heard is that musicians understand the feeling of "flow" they get into while playing, and they build systems to replicate that state while listening, otherwise it's not enjoyable. If you're not a musician you can't understand, you are building from numbers or "remembrances" of being in an audience, or at the minimum needing to listen to an EXTREMELY diverse set of genres. Completely different.
i have to ask was that a sub behind the TT?
Non, a simple box.
I've been a musician forty year's ,had pro hi-fi 35 years, I don't know any other musicians that own a hifi.
I don't get caught up in the audiohile nonsense I just listen to my music for enjoyment .
Now you know myself! It would be interesting to meet and talk! Have a great day!
Funny, we, audiophiles, always knew and know: It's never as good as in a concert hall!! (I mean good, centered, front-lines seats). The only better things are...well, exclusivity (our systems treat us like the person of honour), unrivaled convenience (our time, our place) and controlled repeatability.
Because ,the hi-fi system as good could be and expensive could cost, don't compete with the sound of an instrument in a room, I'm a musician, and an audiophile.
You didn't watch this video either, did you?
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt Ye , I had.
Most musicians don't make a lot of cash.
That was one of my guess
Dave Rawlings is another, There are a few,
Jerome Sabbagh is one I think of right off the top of the head.
The fact that most leads are unbalanced shows that they are not really that concerned about sound quality. There's an awful lot of "We saw you coming" to pay for "audiophile" gear.
Real musicians listen to the timing, intonation and emotions and they see the notes in their head. They are not interested in how the recording sounds because that's only a small part of their experience. Their own instrument is always very close to their ears, so they are used to hear a bad balance. And at home, an AM radio sound is enough for them to know how it is played.
But if someone out on the street listens open window, she knows if it is played on hifi, or is there a cellist playing inside. ;-)
Maybe that person one day will hear a system that will change her mind.
Aha,..i figured it out,...any system will sound amazing,just have some alcohol first 🍹🍷😂
Probably the same reasons Chefs dont really cook at home !!!
Because they are people too? Some of them are audiophiles as well, just not all, just like other people.
Musicians "get it" and that means that they are far less tolerant with the distortions that audiophiles brag about. For example, take the typical close miking. Since when does real life sound like we have our ears inches in front of all instruments or voices - at the same time? Then the distortion that you all call "imaging". It does not exist - even on stage.
The drivel about "musical systems" is also difficult. Musical is when the hearts of the musician touch one another - not when the audiophile has a wet dream.
The real musicality is audible to a musician even with a Bose Acoustimass system. Maybe better quality systems would be more interesting to musicians if the engineers actually paid attention to reality!
Why don’t musicians buy good HiFi systems?
Maybe it is because a musician understands that the most important part of appreciating music is something immaterial: the mind.
With a mind that is properly trained, the actual physical source of the music is irrelevant. In fact the actual physical source becomes unnecessary. Why spend a bunch of money on something physical when it is irrelevant to appreciating the music? The musician trains their mind instead and this does not require any physical sound reproduction equipment.
Beethoven was deaf when he wrote his ninth symphony, yet I am sure that he heard every note.
Very interesting. And what do you think of my project « Songe »?
This is a very unrespectful theme
Musicians, I notice, are too busy trying to improve on their craft. I have friends and relatives who play, and it boggles the mind as to why their systems are crap. At best, their systems fall under "decent", but nothing for audiophiles to become excited about. The ones who have decent to nice systems, at least from the ones I've seen, have money to burn. Hey, that's probably it. $$$!
Because A Fool And His Money Are Soon Parted. One gets caught up chasing a sound, they've forgotten the joy of just listening to their music and NOT their system.
You didn't watch this video, did you?
A lot of musician lost their part of their hearing from playing music, when you have Tinnitus ( Buzzing, Roaring, Clicking, Hissing, Humming) I doubt you can hear the difference between a $1000 and $40 000 audio system.
alot of musicians just don't have the income to buy themselves a high end system.
I know many artists in Quebec with strong followings and food and rent come first sadly, buy product and support the arts.❤