How Utrecht tries to reduce the number of cyclists...
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- [824] ... on the busiest cycleway of the Netherlands. Utrecht is a world class cycling city, but there are still some challenges to overcome. See how Utrecht tries to get fewer people to choose the busiest route. More information in the blog post: bicycledutch.wordpress.com/?p...
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Having cycle ways that are too congested is in some ways a great problem to have!
Determinism is Freedom 🤙
Yes. Watching this from central Florida and I'm constantly saying there are way too many cars on the road 😭
@@Polyglot_English
Sure, but does that mean we should renovate that old bridge or not?
only for young and healthy. fascist society.
This is a problem that only the Netherlands could have, most cities around the world would dream to have a problem like this.
Got it in Stockholm and Uppsala. As an ex-pat, ex-car driving American, I am delighted 🤗
Me too. I've lived in a country where cyclists are the minority.
Determinism is Freedom 🤙 🤙
dream?
Still. A bicycle traffic jam is NOTHING compared to a car traffic jam. It still flows more smoothly, is not noisy, is safer, provides higher capacity, doesn't pollute the air, and people get exercise. It's not the end of the Earth if there is a cycle traffic jam :)
The Utrecht cycle jams are something else though. It has improved, but when I was studying there it was a general rule that a blob of cyclist would cross an intersection until everyone had crossed. It doesn't matter if the light turned red. I've waited at stoplights for several minutes with my light turning green multiple times before I could cross.
You are right! But better flow would make even more people choose the bike over the car or buss/train. Even better for more people.
@@RiderOftheNorth1968 I don’t think there are many people commuting through the center of Utrecht with a car to begin with.
@@iSkully99 True, but the comment i commented on was talking about a more general context.
Determinism is Freedom 🤙 🤙 🤙
After reading the title I thought that Utrecht was hiring snipers or something. ;)
Would be even more effective than covid to get people to not use the streets. :-)
In the spirit of the old tradition of bashing on the US: Now that's the sound and smell of freedom!
Ikr?? *"That's it Karl!! I've had enough!! "IF THOSE IGNORANT FORGINERS AND TOURISTS MAKE ONE MORE TINY MISTAKE ACCORDING TO CYCLING RULES!! THEY'RE OUT OF THE LANES!! AND THEY'RE OUT FOR GOOD!! THEY ARE ALREADY CROWDED ENOUGH DAMN IT!!"* (just kidding I am also an ignorant foreigner who knows nothing about the lanes other than ooooh pretty cool and amazing!!)
Not a bad idea to purge the streets of some assholes. They could have start in Eindhoven today.
If they would only take out the spandex jockeys...might be doable.
My city, Brantford, Ontario, is spending tens of millions of dollars to pave over a natural landscape including a bridge over the Grand River in order to allow faster access to a 4 lane highway. Tens of millions of dollars to save drivers just a few minutes, a small group of drivers as well, maybe 2000 a day. This video puts that into an extreme juxtaposition. I spent time in Bunnik and Utrecht btw, amazing places to live.
How sad to spend so much money on such a thing! And to me as a dutchie it's incomprehensable
@@mariadebake5483 value the benefit of cycling and enjoy it for us who are void of this terrific opportunity!
@@user-ln2xm9xs6w Thank you! I will
@Maxime Santa Ottawa is actually one of the better cities for cycling in Ontario. Still crap compared to the Netherlands, but better than Italy for example, or Spain (except a few cities). People ride year round in Ottawa too, not just "cyclists", but people commuting etc. Ottawa is a great city, you will probably really enjoy it-Quebec is the best and it is just meters from Ottawa.
bicycles are only for young and healthy. fascist society.
The Netherlands is lightyears ahead of the rest of the world if it comes to infra-stucture !! It should be followed by many nations to promote a better environment and better human health !!
Lightyears ahead ey? That's why it takes so long when I order something from across the border
Even though we have an amazing infrastructure for all types of transport, its not perfect and accidents do happen.
But the difference is if accidents happen then infra designers come up with new solutions to reduce accidents in the near future.
This is also the reason why we pay more taxes for infra maintenance.
I like that you're not holding cycle infrastructure to a different standard than road infrastructure. If there are too many cars, adding another lane does not help. And this is possibly one of the few places in the world where we can see this same issue of diminshing returns occuring with cycling infrastructure! I wish my city had such "problems".
It should be held to a different standard in a bunch of ways. One glaring example is not creating LTNs (tho this is not just cycling infrastructure, but so much more) and allowing auto through-traffic through neighborhoods. Through-cycle traffic doesn't go smashing into houses... or scare a lot of the neighborhood kids indoors.
Also an amendment: this 'dispersal' effect through city centre / neighborhood access streets does not work the same for cars and cycles. Cycles are way more efficient, way better at navigating the many intersections, and can park anywhere without being a hazard or burden on the community. Rat-running (inappropriate auto through traffic) has not solved anything except worsen quality of life for residents.
@@C0deH0wler actually, a busy cycle route can be as much of a barrier for young playing children as a car road is.
@@C0deH0wlerabsolutely. we were due a LTN here in my neighbourhood in Leeds (UK). Local boomers in their SUVs spat their dummies, stomped their feet and got it nixed. They are in the minority (it's a very dense, multicultural area with big terraced houses, many divided into flats or bedsits, on narrow streets built in the last years of the C19th) but as always tends to be the case, it's the vocal minority that get their own way with conservative politicians who are afraid if progress and change. Unless we can somehow sell the benefits of sustainable transport to a demographic obsessed with cars as status symbols and who hence look down their noses at those without them, cycling in the UK will never be democratised as it is on the continent, but will remain the preserve of the hardiest and fittest male road cyclists as at present.
@@AndreSomers Those are main routes. You aren't gonna get giant walls, mesh grid thing of cyclists if you relied a bit more on access street networks in certain situations. Maybe if there is no other way way, then you'll get a a single silent, slow wall of cyclists that is okay to cross. But then less people will cycle in that area because of that...
And even then 'just as a car' is inherently false for obvious reasons, like physics.
@@C0deH0wler Through-cycle traffic actually is posing an increase of danger for pedestrians. Especially if cyclists (among them the fast *and* heavy fatbikes) see some obstacle on their path and switch to using the pedestrian paths in a relentless and careless manner.
the title should be modified to:
“ How Utrecht tries to reduce the number of cyclists _per route_ ”
“ _Utrecht's plan to reduce cyclists congestion_ ”
or, like at 3:33 “ ... to make it less busy ”
as currently the title is misleading. But yeah, it is working like a clickbait indeed.
Have to disagree here. It’a great clickbait title.
would LOVE an extra underpass under the railway. That way the in-city commuters and the people coming and going to the train station won't get in each other's way.
A mere 50 million for a underpass and monumental bridge to allow many tens of millions of cyclists to enter and exit the city center every year in safety? Sounds like a bargain to me.
With the taxes I'm paying, I'm sure they could get the money in no time xD
Even better, he quoted only 15 million euro :)
Agreed on your use of monumental, that refurbished bridge would look delightful. Desaturating the core of the network with the extra connection is the show stopper.
@@sanssheriff3829 it's the gemeente Utrecht so if the quote is 15 then 50 sounds about right.
@@deathZor42 Fair enough :P
As a Londoner, I can only look at "cycle lanes that are too busy" with envy.
Can I cycle in London? Don’t know. I. Cycled in Rome. No infrastructure in Rome. You have to cross major streets walking like a pedastrian.
It will be a huge endeavor but I think you guys plan very well and execute later. It will be great. Keep us posted. 😊
It might sound unusual, but I wish we had this problem in my city. It is so fascinating, how the Dutch build their infrastructure for cycling.
I am here because I watch to many cyling videos...it was intresting
Delft is indeed an good example of a city with several routes through and around the city centre (grid). It works perfectly.
Delft had in de jaren 80 een eigen fietsroutesysteem met gekleurde stickerbanden van de ENFB op lantaarnpalen, met doorsteekjes die je anders nooit had weten te vinden. Van Rijswijk naar Schipluiden fietsen scheelde stukken vergeleken met hoe de ANWB je stuurde. Is dat er nog?
@@Boxyde i can check that for you once i need something in the city
As a Utrecht resident (for the past 3.5 years) and a human geography student I feel obliged to say that the only thing the city of Utrecht does really well is city marketing and growing (in a quantitative manner). City planning has always focused on big projects involving radical changes instead of trusting on a city's ability to organically evolve. Tempted by the ambition to grow and keep up with the countries other big cities, the council has been jumping from big scheme to big scheme with city planning focusing solely on fixing mistakes that occurred because of previous big projects. Has to be said their marketing is top notch as in the media they only ever get praise for the inventive way of solving their problems. An example can be extracted from this video: the reason the municipality has to be innovative with their cycling infrastructure is because their predecessors decided to exclusively focus on car infrastructure back in the 70s. They wasted a huge plot of land located between the city centre and central station by hastily building the most depressing shopping mall the world has ever seen, only to attract visitors from all over the country. As of now, this shopping mall has partially been redesigned successfully but it still sits on the plot that could have been the perfect way to relieve the city centre. Instead of learning from their predecessors' mistakes, city planning still seems to be focused on radical designs, like the plan to reform the centre into a bike-free shopping route, neglecting their inhabitants need to effectively move accross the city, only focusing on attracting day-visitors (dagjesmensen). Meanwhile, places of meaning that served as 'third places' for inhabitants, like theaters and night clubs, have been replaced by an endless collection of restaurant concepts mainly focused on making profit off day-visitors. I'm always surprised by Utrecht's reputation as a cyclist paradise, as to me it is the least bike-friendly city of the country (which of course still is very relative).
The city has been blessed with both a beautiful medieval centre and a population that feels such a strong connection to the city that leaving is no option, but the way it treats these blessings is senseless in my opinion. The Very Hungry Caterpillar-like characteristics of the city council are at the expense of their most important purpose: to solve the problems of their current inhabitants.
As someone who has lived here all his live (I believe we are a minority ;)) I can relate to this. The city council has always stoot out with its incompetence. Today the council anounced they lacked funds to build a tunnel for cyclists at the Lombokplein, one of the few places that needs a real upgrade. Meanwhile the not so congested Maliebaan is getting an overhaul nobody asked for, especially residents.
Hurray! Don't forget how they favor gentrification projects instead of investing in people itself.
Couldn't agree more, very well said.
In the past decade or so massive amounts of work have been done to completely rebuild the rail network around Utrecht Central Station. It makes me wonder how that part of the city would have looked like if the decision had been made to put it all underground and putting a massive park at ground level.
I know it's a crazy expensive and bonkers idea, but Delft has done just that, well minus the park perhaps, but Delft has massively improved the area around the railway line once it went underground. And despite the works bringing the municipality to near bankruptcy, I think it was well worth it.
This would have been ideal! Not the park but the rest of it. That way a new Stationsstraat could have been build linking Vredenburg directly to the Jaarbeurs at groundlevel through a winde promenade with ample space for pedestrians and maybe cyclists. I hate the fact that the shortes route still goes throug private space. It is embarrassing
Delft is also kinda bankrupt ;)
@@arthurhagen3826 Indeed, as I wrote in my comment
@@pellekuipers4076 They gave in to Klepièrre, the French owner of much of the Hoog Catharijne area. And to the Jaarbeurs, another company which got favored. Two of the many elephants in the city's politics ...
Loved watching this as a citizen of Utrecht. Not only the story, but also trying to place every single picture in the video. I was amazed that apart from 2 or 3 pictures i knew where all of them were :)
If my city would have proper bicycle lanes all across it, I would definitely go much more by bike! But as it is now, it is so obvious that everything has been planned and is just optimized for cars, maybe sometimes for the tram lines too. Btw I live in Germany, not even the US, where I think it is even worse for cyclists. I'd love to visit the netherlands some day, just to enjoy those beautiful cycle lanes and roads all day...
If you cycle , they will build it. Maybe I am being an optimist, here is my story. When I moved to Stockholm twelve years ago, it had bike lanes, but they were fairly dangerous, 12 fatal bike accidents in 2009. There were a lot more people biking, but the old infrastructure was not well designed. In that time, the city has done a lot to improve the bike lanes, because people were biking more and more. My commute that used to take 40 minutes has been reduced to about 30, and it is much safer.
@@lindatisue733 Sad thing is, it is the other way around, built and they come. Makes sence, cycling on roads filled with cars isn't really safe. But once you accomodate bikes, they will come, it works everywhere. Most politicians are just afraid to make the first step, once they do the benefits become obvious. In the Netherlands it took mass protest by the public to change the policy, early seventies the "stop de kindermoord" (stop the murder of children) was pivotal in the change, people were upset about the volume of children killed by cars.
I'm happy to hear that the Nachtegaalstraat will become a fietsstraat!
I’ve run into cars twice in my life there while on my bike (and yes, I did mean that way around). I can’t help but feel the carrists would feel safer when they’re not having to navigate around us reckless bicyclists over there. It’s for their own good, truly.
We are working toward bicycle jams in Zurich. Thanks for the informative video
THAT is a very good aim. "WE WANT BYCICLE JAMS!!!" (got to love it, it's montey python)
I like how you will never hear a politicians talk about this, they only show up for opening and its always local politicians.
At least in the Netherlands you also see national politicians (even Minister Presidents) cycling. And not just one but many over the years.
Most of the political decision process has been eliminated from the road design process. Road design has to follow the nationwide standard guidelines, which can be found in the CROW manuals. Taking the politicians out of the equation as far as the actual road design is concerned, saves a lot of discussion.
I wish Singapore would adopt the Dutch bike culture :(
Utrecht is just the best cycling city in the Netherlands, Amsterdam doesn't event come close. the cycling right of way paths and the exclusively cycling roads (i like to call them highways because of the enormous space) is just a joy to experience and realize how well the agenda of the city is.
Have you ever cycled in Groningen?
@@51bikerboy
no i did not actually! that a real blind spot. the scale in Utrecht is just way larger though. but if Groningen has some fancy features, of course i'd like to know
Kom eens kijken Almere....
@@jansluis2509 Dat is gemakkelijk een nieuwe. jonge stad, een oude stad aanpassen is veel moeilijker
Weer een heel goede video zoals altijd! Ik geniet er altijd van
I will visit Utrecht some day, just to cycle ...
Thank you :)
Bike congestion > Car congestion
Not mentioned is the planned bridge at the Heycopplantsoen, crossing the Merwedekanaal to halfway the turning between the Villa Jongerius and the Balijebrug, near where a marina will arise (which will again cause the Kanaalweg main cyclist route to be barred for some months to come, a true nightmare).
Nah, you just need to make the cycleways wider. Works perfectly for cars
Yeah, have allway done. Just look how smooth the traffic flows in USA, or London or many other big cities. LOL.
@@RiderOftheNorth1968 I mean, have you seen LA or Houston? They never have traffic jams with their 24 lane highways. And if they do, then it is time for a 28 lane highway.
@@Azivegu Yeah, works like a charm. And cheap too!!
@@Azivegu Yeah the 18 lanes on Highway 401 in Ontario couldn't possibly get jammed up ...
... oh wait.
No that wouldn't work, because of the different speeds of the cyclists. Moreover, in the city centre there is not enough room, and streets are busy too with pedestrians and public transport.
De rotonde voor station Nijmegen is ook veel te druk, omdat het niet alleen gebruikt wordt door mensen van het station, maar ook als knooppunt voor veel meer routes, omdat er niet veel andere fietsroutes in de buurt zijn. Je moet er bijvoorbeeld ook overheen als je naar de universiteit wil. Sowieso zijn veel kruispunten richting de universiteit hopeloos rond de momenten waarop lesuren wisselen. Ik ben benieuwd of ze dat ooit willen veranderen.
at marker time 2:12 all those people going up the stairs is there a special lift for elderly or handicap people? you have someone going up the stairs really slow and causing tardiness to work or school or??? do they get yelled at? just wondering thanks for the video untill next time
There is an elevator. But often it is quicker to just walk up the stairs with your bike. But these kind of bridges are a big problem for cyclists. It is often easier and faster to just take another route. In general, tunnels are often better for cyclists, because you can speed up going down and then use that speed to get back up. Bridges are better suited for pedestrians, as tunnels can feel unsafe if you are slow moving. Bridges provide a much greater feeling of safety.
The fun but is going down the stairs on your mountain bike!
There are lifts on either end (also for wheelchairs, strollers etc).
I do think barely any commuter uses this bridge on bike, for people passing through it is much more convenient to keep cycling to the tunnels to the north or south even if it is a bit more distance, for people working close by there are the big cycle parking garages at or near either end.
The bridge offers a nice view of the trains and busses entering the station. And is very convenient for pedestrians and the people woring at the offices at the west side (connecting to the facilities in the centre at the west).
@@Azivegu thank you Azivegu good to know
@@jorismeijer7993 Thank you Joris good to know
I love these asmr videos
Here I thought it was civil planning to make it harder to bike in the city... all those bikeways make me so envious. Can I become Dutch?
It depends where you come from... It is possible, but you have to take lessons for getting the Dutch nationality, including learnig the language. What is pretty hard to do for foreigners.... But we welcome people who want to take part of the society. Getting used to the crowded cycle paths here is easier than learning Dutch...
@@marcvanderwee but of course, if you’re already an EU citizen, you can just come here without needing to become Dutch straight away.
@@JasperJanssen You are totally right!
In northern part (Weerdsingel) they are now planning to switch bricks with asphalt, to make it more part of this grid of (comfortable) bike-roads I suppose/hope.
The people in the surrounding putting up a petition to prevent this, claiming its more beneficial to cars then bikes: so even though Utrecht has a bike-mindset, I find communications about plans are a bit lacking, so much that people starting to think it's to increase car-speed..
Dat komt ook omdat Lot van Hooijdonk de rotonde bij de Noorderbrug wil opheffen, wat mij volkomen overbodig lijkt.
Mijn pa woont aan de weerdsingel maar ik heb nog niets hier over gehoord.
@@myrthe4196 Maybe your father is living in different part of the street, therefore not in the loop? Info municipality: www.utrecht.nl/wonen-en-leven/verkeer/weerdsingel-oostzijde-fiets-en-wandelvriendelijk-maken/, petition against plans: petities.nl/petitions/weerdsingel-oz-geen-asfalt-veilig-op-de-fiets?locale=nl
@@tom.jacobs het lijkt voornamelijk oost van de hopakker te gebeuren dus misschien is dat de reden
@@myrthe4196 ruclips.net/video/zq2cQtDQyD0/видео.html
As a Brit who worked in Utrect for a year, the cyclist took some getting used to as they would happily mow you down as a pedestrian. But I loved how old and young would all cycle and watching them navigate complex junctions without incident was fascinating. Deffo would not happen in UK where the car is king 😒
même chose en France !
The Oudegracht has meanwhile mostly been forbidden for cyclists during daytime.
Car was king in the Netherlands too. It's never too late to start the change, it will just take many years
@@sanssheriff3829 True. But in GB there is the problem that many people consider the bicycle as a child's toy, rather than a mode of transport. And also that people on a bicycle are considered 'poor'... The latter happens in other countries as well.
@@marcvanderwee That is a hard perspective to change indeed. Maybe if non-poor well known adult brits obviously use it as their preferred mode of transport, people might warm up to it in a few years. In our country, even the prime minister rides his bike to work :)
The proposed bridge near the Weerdsluis is indeed just one of the solutions. Let's not create another symbol file, like the many the Green Left created before.
About megalomanism, the Merwedekanaalzône project will be a major one coming up shortly. The municipality gave away its initial influence by not implementing the Wet Voorkeursrecht Gemeenten to the fallow areas, so speculation drove up the land prices to astronomical levels.
Utrecht has evolved into an investor's paradise since the mid 90s.
What a good problem to have
Anyone know how they are doing with bike theft?
Bike theft in the Netherlands continues to be high. Most is a cheap(ish) bike which is not locked properly, to get to an other place. The rest is serious thieves, coming with tools to cut locks, often with a van to transport the bikes and often go for the expensive or special bikes. Overall not worse than in other countries, maybe even less in percentage of bikes on the roads, but quite annoying when you want to get on your bike and it is gone.
Love it
So he experience was there (in Delft) but the policymakers in Utrecht either didn't bother to explore or they thought that certain rules of thumb simply did not apply to them? Either way, that design-part of this piece of infrastructure could (and should) have been done better in the first place.
brilliant
Me, An Argentinian who doesn't live in Europe:
- Oh, yes, indeed... better a bridge there and not there. 🤔
😊 That made me giggle, thanks
looks like paradise
How about flooding the streets with cars?
We tried that, but didn't like it.
Ask Karácsony Gergely about how to solve big issues of traffic in a capital. He's the lord mayor of Budapest, and he's an extremely professional lord mayor, and can resolve all of the problems in a city by a shrug. Like renovating the old Chain Bridge over the Danube.
Jó estét Baladár,
Is the Chain Bridge, also known as Széchenyi Lánchíd, already renovated? It is a really beautiful bridge! Egy nagyon szép híd van!
@@marcvanderwee Jó estét Marc,
The Chain Bridge is really beautiful indeed, it's being renovated nowadays, but I don't think it'll be ready in a couple of years. You can write Hungarian surprisingly well, and I really appreciate it. The sentence you wrote at the end of your reply has a small error. It's just a tiny mistake, easy to avoid. You don't have to put a substantive verb at the end of that sentence. You can just write "(A Szécheny Lánchíd) Egy nagyon szép híd!" The context defines the subject, and usually substantive verbs stay silent. I'm not a language expert, so I can't really explain the rules... but Hungarian is one of the most difficult languages, and you're good at it! Greetings from the lake Balaton!
By the way my original comment was very sarcastic, Karácsony Gergely is the worst mayor our capital ever seen.
Why am I watching it?
Next: dealing with underground cycling street racing
I love Utrecht
I visited Utrecht in 2018 and fell in love with the town and it´s people. So i feel you.
I wouldn’t consider the city Center streets of utrecht “very” suitable for cycling. But I would divert my route up to a km to be able to ride on asphalt instead of (even well laid) bricks.
Some of them are. The brick ones are that way specifically to make everyone slow down, especially the cars. Once you get rid of the cars on them, though, you can put smooth asfalt down.
The Oude Gracht is a particularly uncomfortable bit, but that's the only bit that I'd avoid for comfort. But I've lived in this city my entire life and biked to school over the Oude Gracht and I honestly still like the route for how beautiful it is.
@@Jerom_ with a good bike (big tyres, yo) the Oudegracht is perfectly rideable. But it’s not like the main routes along the nobelstraat or hamburgerstraat.
0:58 today i get confirmed - _"-way"_ is narrower, and "street" is wider.
No, a street is a paved way. To make matters more confusing, in Holland we also have -streetway.
Second 3-George Constanza :)
Even if theres COVID its still busy that u need to look even if u have green at the intersection
They are making wrong choices.
Only thing that is needed is to remove all parking spots allong that busy route showed in orange at 2:00.
Then make the bicycle path a bit bigger on both sides and you're done.
There should only be a few spots for Loading / offloading trucks like at supermarkets.
They also need to change the Brick road that you get from Stadsschouwburg to Neude and make it asfalt.
But this city likes to pump millions of euro's in to projects that dont work.
Like our great tram network 😂
I am suprised somebody from an other country finds solutions for our (luxery) bikeproblems.
We are number one for that, we must take care for our problems to.
If the speaker must talk about the problems for bikers in his country, the video will takes the whole day.
You just might be confused. The maker of this video is in fact Dutch.
I even think he lives in Utrecht and works in den Bosch, or the other way around.
Mark and his deceptive titles! If this was the USA, you'd actually think some Conservative group WAS trying to reduce cycling infrastructure!
Terwijl half Utrecht verpaupert, begint het bestuur met problemen verbeteren, die helemaal geen problemen zijn. Nu in een crisis is niet moment om je, al bijna perfecte fietspaden nog eens te gaan verbeteren.
Heard that some people choose cycling because public transportation is quite expensive in the Netherlands. And also of course because of the good cycling infrastructure. So lowering public transport prices would help lower bike congestion
I find Dutch public transport much cheaper than Danish or German. If anything, the reason why people shun public transport is the quality of the bike infrastructure.
A lot of the cycling traffic will be people cycling to the train station though! You subsidise public transport even more, you might just get even more people riding to catch a train...
Having lived in many European countries, including the Netherlands, I'd say that the public transportation costs are quite average. However, I sometimes perceive them to be expensive here because the alternative (cycling) is free!
Busses and trams are usually pretty cheap. It is mostly the train tickets which are expensive. And cycling is such a normal thing, that trips up to 30 minutes are just automatically considered to be for biking. Its reliable, faster, easier, and cheaper (very important for the Dutch xD)
But if you go to cities like Almere that has a very extensive public transit network, you see a lot of people opting to take the bus than bike, even for short distances. It is so bad that they are having to make public transit worse, just to get people to start biking.
One of the other problem caused by cyclism is the lack of cyclist parking in the city centre. Public transport doesn't cause parking problems. But Utrecht may need to develop an underground railway system, and had to put the railways crossing the city below the surface as well.
Up until the early 90s a tramway connection was a solution offered to solve the congestion in the city centre caused by buses. It met stiff resistance of the population.
I guess what you want to say is: How Utrecht tries to reduce cycling congestion
Kanye spotting 2:36
Wat een zalig Luxeprobleem
Niks luxe, maar voor u is fietsen kennelijk niet hoe u zich verplaatst. Als oudere fietser is het rond het station en bij het Ledig Erf veel te druk om er veilig te fietsen. De doorsteek onder het spoor door betekent dat beide plekken vermeden kunnen worden
The title doesn’t fît to the content...
I wonder what electric bicycles and their riders would add in this mix, safety wise, considering they can go pretty fast.
And the first shot: people with phones in their hand.... *sigh*
We have a lot of ebikes on the streets these days. Most of them are bright enough to be safe. Some aren’t.
The negative safety aspect of having more ebikes on the roads, is already becoming apparent. The increased speed causes problems, and it will be intresting to see how that problem will be tackled.
Too bad that the new tunnel at the end of Nicolaas Beetsstraat won't be built before 2040 due to the cost....
Im glad for uchertg
Widen the street and add more cycle lanes.
wont work as well as building/converting difrent routes
as a cyclist in Utrecht i find cars much less annoying than the stupid mopeds riding on cycle paths... maybe that's just me.
When cycle engineers understand more about traffic congestion than car engineers...
Well, I believe they are the same traffic engineers over here
We have traffic engineers ...
only cycle streets are not the sollution. even as a dutch citizen i dont believe this is going to work. This is going to cost us a lot of money
They should make electric scooters legal
meanwhile your problem is solution for most countries
Reduce?
Well, reduce density, spread out it seems. And it is needed. Outside Tivoli Vredenburg during rush hour ain´t no game!
_How Utrecht tries to reduce the number of cyclists_ on the busiest street.
Over 34k cyclists per workday on average on the red dot...
Problem is: limited crossings of waterways & railroads. Bottlenecks will always exist.
solution make the railroad underground like they did in delft
@@renzo2able But that is way too expensive and difficult. And it is impossible to compare the situation with the railway/railroad in Delft with Utrecht C, as Delft is just a 'normal' station without any junctions. In Utrecht C the railways enter from 5 different ways, or actually 6 when the line Blauwkapel-Hilversum is included...
Maar dat is veel te duur en ingewikkeld. Bovendien is de situatie met het spoor in Utrecht C niet te vergelijken met Delft, omdat Delft een 'gewoon' station is zonder aansluitingen. In Utrecht C komen de sporen vanuit 5 verschillende richtingen binnen, of eigenlijk 6 wanneer de lijn Blauwkapel-Hilversum wordt meegerekend...
i like all these new plans. More people friendly streets in the historic city centers of cities.
Unfortunately stores will be gone out of the city centers before we ever get there.
Because we will buy everything online, or in grocery shops like Jumbo and or Albertje.
Who also have online shops ofcourse.
And so there will be no need for people to travel to historic city centers anymore.
They can be filled up to the brim with people in commie blocks. Because, who cares?
The old market places are a thing of the past.
Especially if Fritsje van de Jumbo has any say in it (which he ofcourse does, a billionaire. Just check youtube, tedx, fritsje en zn jumbo en de toekomst van de supermarkt)
So i dunno why we should now all of a sudden change city centers back to the old ways, because what will be there to attract people?
Horeca? With the prices of these days (yeah, cojono had nothing to do with that, or war in the east)?
For who are we redesigning it?
It's better to reduce motorists than cyclists.
Import 20 or so South African taxi drivers :)
not so much reduce the number of cyclists as disperse
"Asphalt never solves the problem of too many cars either" if the problem is congestion, asphalt most certainly can help. Let's turn this reasoning around: if adding asphalt doesn't help, then we might as well remove asphalt, right? Let's go from a 4 lane highway to a 1 way. I hope you don't think this is a good idea, there are plenty of 4 lane highways where traffic flows beautifully which would end up congested.
More asphalt isn't the solution (theconversation.com/do-more-roads-really-mean-less-congestion-for-commuters-39508). Fixing bottleneck yes, but wider freeways no. It is a well proven paradox building more roads: at first conjestion is less, but within a year or so the problem is back because it encourage more people to use the car. It is a phenomenon observed in every country. It sound unlogical, you think an extra lane so better throughput, but it usually means more cars same problem (or worse). An other overlooked problem all those cars are going somewhere, usually a city where they work, so the city gets more cars it can't cope with, so you move the problem.
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@@hds66nl29 the congestion may be back but the throughput has increased. The road is now providing mobility for more people. The video is trying to suggest that more asphalt is useless but that's highly simplistic.
@@Netherlands031 The video explains it simplistic, but the point they make is real. Expanding the roadnetwork doesn't solve the problem, yes throughput is increased but congestion is the same. The main point is that solving transportation issues isn't built more roads. The built more roads argument is thrown around a lot, but isn't really the solution. Where does it end? They proposed turning the canals in Amsterdam into freeways, is that the world you want to live in. Mass transport is a real challange and sadly enough is the car the most useless mode of mass transport, uses vast amount of space to move a relatively low number of people. Transport solutions is a combo of car and public transport not a one horse race.
Here in Germany we reduced the number of cyclists successfully by painting the sidewalks and telling cyclists you have to use the sidewalks now!
Sarcasm, cyclists hindering pedestrians and vice versa, is like introducing the survival of the fittest Darwinism, while motorised traffic keeps on being favored.
@@Boxyde Yes, it should be named the Jeremy Clarkson biking solution.
@@carstenweiland7896 The German partner organisation of the European Cyclists' Federation (www.ecf.com/) desperately needs to join its forces with pedestrian organisations.
How about updating the 1977 Vienna Convention on Road Traffic, which still favors motorised traffic? (www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/conventn/Conv_road_traffic_EN.pdf)
The current Utrecht council doesn't know what it's doing. They lost the plot in my opinion. Blinded by ego and bad choices. The worst leaders the city had in decades.
Indeed. Especially D66 lost its track by reducing influence of citizens by focussing on digitalisation, and abolishing ward councils. The Green Left has lost its connection to the poorer part of the population.
In short take the cars away make city's for the people.
Actually, this explains the follow up of that idea: Keep city centers light in all sorts of traffic, to make it a city for people. If you throw enough bikes at the question, they too become a problem :) As will too many pedestrians.
@@sanssheriff3829 well we need to stop being a such a prolific problem for the planet , but one car with one person in it and let's face it that's all to often the case ,or one person one bike 🚲.
@@mysurlytrucker7510 True. I'm not convinced we are going to solve THAT problem any time soon
@@sanssheriff3829 I agree but I think its not because we couldn't, its because the will is not there to do so.
@@mysurlytrucker7510 exactly
Somewhat click-bait title :)
The word used is reduce not remove. The theme of the video is how the reduce the density of cyclists. Not really click-bait.
@@RiderOftheNorth1968 I said it jokingly! Have a laugh man.
@@etbadaboum I can´t laught, it is against my religion! ;-D
@@RiderOftheNorth1968 I think you just committed sin then! ;)
@@etbadaboum Uuh i repent, i repent!
* Praying: For the love of making taxes i feel no happiness*
Welcome to the 19th century.
I rather live in this 19th century than your 21st one...
Then I definitively prefer the 19th century to the present one
Would that be your mind?
Cycling is so beta
Talking about alpha vs beta is the real beta
@@mourlyvold64 I like your way of selfsacrifice for the greater good :D
Maybe they can tax bicycles more? As a way to reduce their numbers
When the Dutch government wants to tax the cyclist, that will spark off a civil war, the same with the idea to make helmets mandatory. There are rumours the EU wants to implement a 'federal' law to make helmets for cyclists mandatory in all member countries, thus also the Netherlands. But when that law should be implemented the 3rd world war starts in NL the same day!
Excellent video but I left the 1st dislike due to the misleading title.
To reduce the density of the cyclists is the theme of the video. You can´t honestly say that the title is misleading for a video on RUclips (the home of the ClickBait).
You're the one who was misled. The title is fine.
Agreed, it suggests the city is planning to kill them off with heavy traffic or snipers or someshit.
You don't care much about people who can't use bicycle due to age or health conditions, do you?
Because cars suck big time while cycling is cool. Period.
Vehicles for people that have difficulties in walking or cycling, are allowed to use the cycling lanes. (mobility scooters for example). The safety of a cycle path, expand the opportunities, rather than limit them.
Dutch infrastructure law is aimed at protecting the most 'vulnerable' road user. In other words; protect pedestrians from cyclists (with sidewalks) and cyclists from drivers (with bicycle lanes).
I also fear that you are misinformed regarding vehicle infrastructure: roads are wel maintained and you can drive to almost any location, if you need to.
@@gstar1084 I am just wondering if the city infrastructure is equally accessible for granny with certain disabilities on her VW Golf as for young people who can ride bicycles when and wherever they want. Your last sentence kind of confirms it. If so, it's cool because "mobility scooters" is not an option in much colder places where bicycle enthusiasts still want to copy/paste Dutch approach. It simply doesn't work if you have snowfalls every other day.
@@melluzi
There are countless of seniors on bicycles, and those who own mobile scooters can also have access to the bicycle lanes. For those who can't bike anymore, there are taxis that will take them to wherever they need to be, or they can take a bus. So grandma doesn't need her vw at all.