Goju Ryu Karate Does "Sanchin" FOREVER ｜Yusuke in Okinawa Ep.14
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❓What other karate style has "Sanchin"?
❓Do you get hit for training purposes in your martial arts?
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Kyokushin I think
Uechi Ryu karate :)
Uechi-Ryu, Isshin-Ryu, Shito-Ryu
Itosu Ryu
Uechi-ryu, and descendants of Goju/Uechi like Isshin-ryu and Kyokushin. Motobu Udundi also has a Sanchin kata, despite not being related to any other style directly.
Not very familiar with other karate styles, but sanzhan (三战) is a very important form in white crane kung fu
Nice to know.
White Crane is one of the two styles of Kung Fu that are credited to have a heavy influence over the original creators or karate (To-Te) in Okinawa, so more forms in your style might be common to karate than in other Kung Fu styles.
Nice!!!!
In karate Goju ryu is the most important kata
@@Mario-ro8kb Goju ryu is not a kata! It is one of the styles (ryu or 流派 in Chinese speaking）of the Karate, the Japanese martial arts.
@@TheAnsonysc reword what Mario was trying to say.
In Goju Ryu, this kata is the most important
We do Sanchin every day in Uechi ryu, and to address the second question, we train conditioning (getting hit) a lot.
Thanks for sharing your insight!
To answer your "getting hit question". I have practised WT Taekwondo since I was 7 . Now I'm 31 and I'm now one of the lead instructors and my school) , and my Grandmaster is old school. Every session we get hit. We once had a class (2 hours) where we only did one stance and one block whilst getting hit until we were black and blue..But I loved every minute!!!!
Nowadays, that kind of teaching is frowned upon because now its "all about safety". I mean, just as an example, just see how Taekwondo has changed in the last 20 years with Kyorugi (sparring) and stuff...no knockouts, no hard hits etc. But my Grandmaster still training the "old school golden days"
Thanks for sharing your insight!
In Meibukan Goju Ryu, we do Sanchin in pretty much the same way (including getting smacked real hard). Just one minor difference, in the last 3 circle placements of the arms, in this video, all the students shot back their arms and then brought them back in that circular motion. In our Sanchin, we don't shoot back the arms, we do it slowly, with full muscle tension and in alignment with the inhalation/exhalation. Thanks for a wonderful video!
My old dojo. Hokama is a brilliant teacher.
Sanchin is very recognizable. I've watched in another video about this Kata, and like you said, it may seem simple, but the complexity is in the small details. Breathing and muscle contraction are among them. I imagine your body get more ripped if you practice this, Yusuke-san. 😄
Anyway, being recognizable, I once absent-mindedly said "Sanchin from Goju Ryu!" when my wife and I were watching Detective Conan. And till now, she remembers Sanchin whenever I mention it. We're both fan of Detective Conan, and Ran Mouri in the series is a Karateka, so she can relate to Sanchin because of it. Thank you for sharing this! Can't wait to see more! Keep up the great work!
Haha I love Conan too!
While training in Isshin Ryu I practiced Sanchin Kata. It was a little different from what is seen here. My understanding was that Tatsuo Shimabuku formed Isshin Ryu mainly from Shorin Ryu and Goju Ryu. He added his own insights as well and it took a somewhat different form. Still very similar. My dojo practiced Sanchin in three different ways; Slowly with thought, fast with power, and slowly but strongly with emphasized breathing. The third being the form of sanchin where our dachi, core, and technique would be checked or "smacked".
We were taught that this final form of Sanchin had the most health benefit because of it's emphasis on breathing and the long contractions of the muscles performing the techniques.
You aren't lying. At least here in Okinawa we do Sanchin like it's going out of style. As plain as it looks, I never get bored of it.
Thanks for sharing your insight!
I was from Shito Ryu and i used to learn Sanchin too. Now doing Goju, seems to be similar in essence.
Wow, such a great, simple, and succinct teaching of Sanchin. I've trained in both Goju-ryu and Isshin-ryu which both have Sanchin.
We never got hit when I practiced Kickboxing, but when I joined Kyokushin we end up hitting each other a lot in order to condition ourselves, so I think it's unique to karate
I see!
I have learned Sanchin from Shito-Ryu and Goyu-Ryu teachers. It seems to me that it is significantly more important for Goyu-Ryu, although both styles place high importance on the breathing techniques you learn in this kata.
Thanks for sharing your insight!
Love Sanchin. Yes, we get hit for training and especially grading black belt and beyond. Always felt that if you finished Sanchin and you are not tired... you did not do it correctly. All about muscle tenses etc. Even if you are practiced, you should push yourself even more.
Sanchin is practiced in old Shito-Ryu, Uech-Ryu and Goju-ryu
Thanks for sharing your insight!
Ohhh I forgot Kyokushin Karatê, they do too 😅
@@KarateDojowaKu Thanks man, you are an inspiration for me!
Haha welcome to Sanchin! We have it in Shuri-Ryu (Chinese-Okinawan style). We breathe with loud exhale and have a distinctive rise of the hips when we are tensing the entire body through the movements. All tension is focused towards the hara. Yes, we get hit, but it's not for body conditioning purposes, it's so the teacher may find out if you are truly flexing the entire body or just being showy with the raspy breath. Also to see if you are properly balancing and exercising the technique without trying to counter the strikes - you will lose your balance if you try to resist the strikes.
Body conditioning: In Shuri-Ryu we often strike each other with forearms, and often get struck by other students or the teacher, sometimes kicking the legs and stomach with shins. Sometimes the ribs also but carefully! This helps teach how to understand your own control and strength, gain resilience, and condition against panic when feeling pain. We will also strike ourselves on the thighs and ribs with a bo when doing katas to condition the body.
Thanks for sharing your insight!
I did this kata also and its one of my favoriete kata's. 🙏 OSU 🙏
Nice
In Isshin Ryu We do Sanchin Kata, as taught by Grandmaster Shimabuku Tatsuo, And in our dojo we also do this Goju version.
thanks Waku , i studied Gojuryu in Seattle wa for a couple years , Sensei only taught us Sanchin Kata , any other katas were taught from guest teachers from other Dojo’s
No problem. My name is Yusuke by the way.
@@KarateDojowaKu 👍🏽💪🏽is an informative karate channel , nice work
What club in Seattle? Greenlake Community Center? West Seattle?
@InGrindWeCrust2010 we where the Rainier Beach Karate club , at the Rainier Beach Community center in south Seattle , Sensei Guy Kurose 6th dan was the teacher. “rip”. he was a great Sensei🙏🏽
@@oldschoolmuzzey I recognize that name! Lucky!
I had a training session with him....everytime I was in pain he would say.....enjoy.....oh boy what a good workout..
Haha
Thank you for this video sir, I'm a goju ryu karate practitioner in Indonesia. And i still practice Sanchin kata everyday.
Nice!
To answer your question at the end of the video, some arts like Muay Thai and Boxing, we spar and that's the "getting hit" part of the training you're thinking of. This is how we train our reaction to the different attacks and training our defenses in real time. In Judo and BJJ, there is the impact of hitting the ground to toughen us up, along with the pressure of a body being entangled on you so you learn how to withstand this type of pressure.
Thanks for sharing your insight!
@@KarateDojowaKu Sanchin Shime is more than impact training.
1. It is muscle excitation, so that different muscle groups can simultaneously tighten - the coordination of all relevant muscle groups in timing and intensity - this is so that as you execute a technique such as a punch, rigidity can be momentarily introduced into the entire body structure (in Karate this is called Kime). Imagine Force=Mass X Acceleration and if you are rigid at the moment of impact, your ENTIRE BODY MASS goes into the equation. If you throw a fast punch but your wrist is loose and your elbows and shoulders are loose, and your fist hits a solid target, as your body lunges forward, the elbow and shoulder will fold to absorb the shock, and the Mass that goes into that equation is merely the mass of the fist itself - but when the body is rigid, the whole body's mass contributes to the generation of the force behind the punch.
In Boxing, and I am sure in Muy Thai, you have "Stabilizer" muscles in foot,leg back, arms shoulders and neck etc, which have to tense in order to stabilize the body as the punch drives into the target (if not, the joints and movable body parts will act as shock absorbers and reduce the impact of the punch) - Sanchin trains the individual to be able to activate the stabilizer muscle groups better.
2. Each muscle is made up of multiple motor neurons, and at any one time only some of the motor neurons are tensed, and as some relax, others take over (that's how our muscles continue to tense more than a few seconds, each motor neuron group takes its turn to tense, relax, rests, recover and then tense again). The Shime of Sanchin is meant to force more Neuron groups within the muscle to tense at once (to increase explosive power) - at least that was the idea - it's supposed to increase explosive power as well as muscle endurance through over stimulation.
Hope this clarifies things.
Hokama Sensei does Sanchin as I' ve learned it in my Kyokushin Dojo in Germany. Mas Oyama integrated Sanchin, Tensho and other kata of Goju Ryu while studying at Yamaguchis Dojo. They are part of the Curriculum of kyokushin Kai kan and will at least be taught after mastering the Shotokan based kata. Tensho and Sanchin will also be taught when you' re a beginner. You have to learn these essential body movements from the beginning because of its complexity. Higaonna Sensei performs sanchin in an other was, he goes only forward without a turning.
We do train or conditioning using the standard blocks, we partner up & block against block
Nice!
The speed up with the sound effects from being struck was very funnt. reminded me of Anime.
Oh I didn’t put any sound effects!
@@KarateDojowaKu Its really funny, you know I once invited a friend to come train Karate with me and afterwards the thing which struck him the most was how real to life most of the Karate sounds are which we now unconsciously filter out, like the sound of a Gi snapping or the sound of a strike and counter :-)
Very interesting to see the a comparison of Sanchin/SamZhien/ SamZhan from various styles. There was a video before comparing Fuzhou white crane SamZhien (three arrows/three battles?) And Uechi Ryu Sanchin. Man... The last practicioner in the video .. that old man was super conditioned.
Back at home in Ireland I once saw a Shaolin Ngo Cho/Wuzuquan version of SamZhien (. It was very flowy in part, unlike the seemingly tension focused ones in Karate.) I don't practice Sanchin... Probably Hangetsu is the closest. It's fun watching the Oyama or Kyukishin style of Hangetsu... Seen a crowd of 50 kids perform it in a Tokyo park before as part of their January New year's training (maybe it was their outdoor Kangeiko?)
You’ll see the uechi version soon!
@@KarateDojowaKu nice. Looking forward to it. 😁
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Here is that sanchin comparison video... Although I am sure there is a clean copy of it out there (I have it ripped into some hard drive somewhere knowing these get lost in the ether eventually).
My digging around RUclips : says the older gentleman with the Bruce Lee body is master Shinyu Gushi who is a direct disciple of Kanei Uechi. Some Sanchin forms with the dynamic tension seem quite like the Hung Gar/Hung kuen (southern Shaolin) iron shirt training. My dad also mentioned the southern Mantis (TangLang) Kung Fu practitioners did SamZhan and with their arm conditioning... They'd snap arms. Same for the 'Chow gar' non Mantis family style. Loads of forearm conditioning (and DitDa remedies). Keep up the research Yusuke! Really enjoy these.
@@KarateDojowaKu awesome!
I trained with that Wuzuquan club between first and third year! 👍
Maybe a visit to Ikemiyagi Masaaki or Morio Higaonna Senei's Dojo might shed a totally different view on Goju Ryu.
Nice idea!
@@KarateDojowaKu Yes, try to ask Morio Sensei or Masaaki Sensei to give you Sanchin Shime - You won't forget it - it's the full Goju-Ryu Shime experience. You won't understand Goju-Ryu Sanchin without a proper Shime (done like in our grading).
Now that was a funny sanchin-gata I have ever seen. :) Actually, it's called sanchin dai-ni, as there is a simple forward-backward sanchin as kihon in a form of kata and also tensho as advanced and soft (ju) kata so Goju-ryu has even three of them called heishu-gata (as opposite to fast katas called kaishu-gata: gekisai 1-2, saifa, seiyunchin, shisochin, sanseru, sepai, kururumfa, seisan, suparimpei; some schools have fukyu 1-2 kata before gekisai as Goju-ryu tribute to Shorin-ryu).
As for an iron-shirt exercises, this is more common in Nahate styles having roots in Fujian Baihe-quan or White Crane: Goju-ryu, Uechi-ryu, To'on-ryu, Ryuei-ryu - as well as their Japanese derivatives like Goju-kai, Kyokushin-kai etc.
Oh didn’t know that! Thanks
This was the version of Sanchin Chojun Miyagi initially taught (Kanryo Higaonna learnt Sanchin with Nukite, he taught Chojun the Nukite version, but in Naha Commercial school he taught students this version you saw). Chojun Miyagi took over after Kanryo Sensei died, and initially taught this version, then he later further simplified it to have no turning for beginners, because turning quickly with muscles tensed to the standard required was deemed difficult . Hokama's Sensei was an early student of if Chojun Miyagi so he didn't learn the newer version. Nowadays, this version is taught to advanced students in lineages of Goju Ryu that hail from a later batch of Chojun's students, such as Miyazato (OGKK), Anichi Miyagi's students (Higaonna).
@@matthews1082 : not exactly correct history but more or less close version of the events. :)
@@Burvedys Well, as close as it gets, since Morio Higaonna tells this, and Anichi Miyagi told this, adding that while Kanryo Higaonna taught the closed fist version of Sanchin, Chojun sensei also said Kanryo practised nukite into a bucket of stone and pebble daily, as did Chojun when learning under Kanryo......Kanryo taught the Nukite version in his home dojo to inner disciples, and the closed fisted version in Naha commercial school. Chojun Miyagi later changed the Sanchin and removed the turning bit. He never formally called it Sanchin Dai Ni or Dai Ichi, that's something people did after his death. He just taught the 2 as a progression, beginners did the simple version, and when he felt they were ready, he made them do the harder version.
@@matthews1082 : do you practice Goju-ryu or just internet-ryu? :) Ever wondered how it comes that all schools, apart from Uechi-ryu, do sanchin-gata with fists closed? ;)
It’s interesting how different sanchin is versus uechi-ryu. But the practices are all the same. Great video sensei!!! 😁
I was able get some lessons from Gōsei Yamaguchi Sensei years ago. I found the Sanchin stance one of the most interesting things I learned in Goju Ryu during that time :)
Sanchin is practised in our style of Shukokai, surprisingly I've been practicing this Kata for the last couple of months.
In Kyokushin Karate it is the NORM to get hit and conditioned constantly; also, back when I was in high school and practiced kickboxing, we would also get conditioned a lot - it helps your mind getting desensitized to being roughed up. Practical application: in case of a mugging, your assailant while definitely try to rough you up in order to scare you and mentally dominate you, but if you are desensitized to that, it won't matter - you're already prepared to defend yourself
I train in Goju-Ryu and Sanchin is very important. I've also learnt Sanzhan when I went to China to learn White Crane.
I always love comparing Sanchin and Sanzhan, seeing how the kata evolved.
I think it is pretty well-known that Sanchin is also present in Uechi Ryu, which I have been practicing for the last three months and the Goju Ryu version of Sanchin looks very strange when you are used to the Uechi Ryu version. The whole basis of it about keeping your stance grounded stays the same with both versions, though the beginning of the Goju Ryu version is done with closed fist punches while the Uechi Ryu version is 4 steps with 4 open hand strikes simultaneously, turn around and 4 the other direction, then turning around again and doing 4 more in the original direction. The Uechi Ryu version of Sanchin is also performed at a faster pace than the Goju Ryu version. Then the Uechi version has three double hand strikes to the front with grabbing and pulling back after each strike. After that, a slide and Wauke to the right, a slide and Wauke to the left, and then a slide and Wauke forward. After that, the left hand goes on top of the right hand which is in a fist and it's held out in front of you with your feet facing forward and that's it really. I have heard that Uechi Ryu and Goju Ryu have many other similarities, though I do not know of them specifically because like I said, this is only my third month in Uechi and I can literally only perform Sanchin and Kanshiwa so far, but the information is definitely out there. Good video
You know I find having four or five years now with goju's San chin and looking at Uechi's format is as odd to me as a Duck is to Sparrow
@@eatingbitter1756 Yeah I think that’s what happens when you get very used to a certain style and then look at other styles, especially trying to pick up a second style and having the habits from your primary style.
Thanks for sharing your insight!
If you think the Goju interpretation is San chin is strange, Google "七步三战” for the White Crane gong fu version 😀
I remember doing this every single class, beginning and end, at the end we used to do it shirt off with the heat on, our sensei would come around and test our grip strength and push us from sides to test balance and floor grip, I miss those days 😢.
Wow and ouch. But... yehey! 😊❤️💕 We also have Sanchin in Kyokushin
You described it as "getting smacked". I'm sure Hokama Sensei explained the reason for it. You are a beginner in the realm of Okinawan Karate.
Our style (ken-zen-ryu) has this kata but it is different from this. The stance is the same but the hand movement is different.
This kata looks easy but it is not. Karate posture is created by the sanchin kata. It is important to have a stable posture when fighting. A practitioner has to be able to stand firm when attacked, and be ready to attack back. The most important aspect in the sanchin posture is the power of Tanden, which is the central strength in a practitioner.
Practice of sanchin seeks to develop the muscles and bones of the body to help the practitioner withstand blows from an opponent, while drilling the basic mechanics of a strike that depends on a stable base.
I agree! Thanks for sharing your insight!
I seen him on other videos, where he really looks tough, not as a person, but his moves, where he has skill and. Ability. Very smart in karate,n
I'm now practise Shito Ryu and we do sanchin, also I used to practice Shorin Ryu and also practiced the same kata
Thanks for sharing your insight!
in Mexico in the shudokan style we also have sanchin kata and we are also beaten during its execution
Oh wow!
In Wado Kai Karate we train Seishan. Its longer but the first few movements are like the same.
I see!
If you get a chance you should try Ueichi-ryu and try some of their finger, thumbs and toe style strikes. Now that is some hardcore training.
I train Shito-Ryu Kofukan and we train Sanchin, as with all things Karate the differences are particular to the Head of Style where the form is pronounced in a slightly different way but the functional movements are the same. Its a Kata which I try to do as often as possible.
Throughout my time in Choy Lay Fut, the Southern Kung Fu style, our stances were constantly tested by the Sifu and senior students pushing us, hitting us, or kicking us in the legs, or pushing us with his foot. When I instructed new students, I did the same. This was to teach us which directions particular stances were strongest in, and which they were weak in, and how to identify this when sparring to get better at destabilising opponents. We also did forearm training exercises every class, shin conditioning every class, and were punched and kicked in the stomach and sides in every class, and learned how to breathe and tense to take hits in those places. Conditioning of the hands and knuckles was also a big part of training, and this involved punching and slapping leather bags full of iron balls. I always remember our Sifu's hands. His knuckles had an extra 5mm of callouses on the top, and if you shook his hands, they felt like they were coated in cured leather.
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Hi, Just found your website. Great material. We do Sanchin Kata in Seido Karate. Very similar with only a a few differences.
I learned it in kyokushin, but tried to practice the other styles for my own pleasure (goju ryu, uechi ryu...) It is an important kata.
I learned it from my Shihan Thierry Noens in France, while training at Tamashii Dojo, then perfected a bit it with Shihan Liam keaveney in seminar. Yes i'm IFK
Never been hit, there is no purpose to be hit while doing kata... But the breathing is really important, we had that exercice when you push a training partner's fist breathing normally, the with the belly breathing, getting more power.
I am practice Kushin Ryu and we also learn Sanchin.
kyokushin uses sanchin since mas oyama learn the style of goju ryu, im from the philippines kyokushin kai kan a big fan of yours osu
Thanks for sharing your insight!
Curious, what lineage of GoJu is this? The one crest resembles Meibukan but I see on the back wall looks like Gogen Yamaguchi
Hokama Sensei is the head of the Kenshi Kai. He is of the Higa lineage.
I would say we do both in jujutsu. We need to be both tori and uke and give/take throws, punches/kicks and submissions. So yeah, I've plenty of bruses on my arms after practice, depending on what drills was practiced that day (kihon, nage-waza, jigo-waza, katame-waza, randori or ne-waza)
Thanks for sharing your insight!
Sanchin is a major building block in Uechi Ryu
To answer the question: Uechi Ryu. And perhaps other styles, though Shotokan doesn't, as the closest kata would be Hangetsu.
Speaking of Uechi Ryu Sanchin, there's a video of an old uechi ryu master performing Sanchin and HOLY SHIT, dude is freaking R I P P E D. That's one grandpa I won't mess with.
Yeah, Hangetsu is the Shotokan version of Seisan, Gigo Funakoshi, the son of Gishin Funakoshi, the founder of Shotokan, went to Kenwa Mabuni to train kata in the name of his father, then we came back with 4 new kata to add to Shotokan style: Nijushiho (Niseishi), Sochin, Unsu (Unshu) and Hangetsu (Seisan).
@@ericshimizukarbstein6885 Interesting, I didn't know about Nijushiho, Sochin and Unsu having been imported by Funakoshi Gichin's son. I thought it was much older than that, in Shotokan I mean.
Gishin Funakoshi's son was the most influential person in the history of Shotokan, he was the reason Shotokan looks like it looks now.
Also the inclusion of Shotokan kokutsu dachi, high kicks and roundhouse kicks is likely an influence of Kendo in Shotokan. Gigo Funakoshi trained kendo as well and mixed it with the karate he learned from his father.
It is also known that Gishin Funakoshi way of doing thing were very different, like mostly high stances and being more inclined to the soft part of karate than Shotokan as a style is now.
@@ericshimizukarbstein6885 Yeah I know about how influential he was in the way shotokan looks today, but not specifically about him importing these specific kata ^_^.
Also, roundhouse kicks in kendo, are you sure?
As far as my knowledge on kendo goes, there some styles that use Mawashigeri.
My experience in kendo comes from the time I was a part of a club created by Japanese immigrants in my country, I did baseball there, since I was already doing karate outside of the club and my parents had money for only one sport in the club, but after my baseball classes, I pass in the kendo classroom. I remember some classes where they drill where they create a opening with the sword and they hit the adversary with a roundhouse kick because the hands and sword were being used to avoid the adversary sword to come back and being used against them.
It's practised in Uechi ryu too
karate use makiwara to condition their knuckles. a lot of chinese martial arts thrust their fingers into sand and eventually into pebbles to strengthen their fingers. muai thai kick banana trees to condition their shins. indian martial arts emphasize flexibility a lot, and even massages after training is part of that. learning how to fall properly is the first thing taught in many grappling arts like judo/wrestling/etc. other martial arts like boxing/kickboxing also engage in light sparring where the goal is to learn timing, apply technique, and learn distance. eventually even hard sparring where the goal is to get rid of the flinch response, to "toughen up" the same way kyokushin does, and to learn to fight through adversity. both light and hard sparring involve you "getting hit" in some degree. you can find a lot of videos of boxers getting punched in their abs as part of their conditioning training. just youtube up pacquiao or mayweather ab conditioning. also search for videos of various martial arts showing off how they condition their shins. some hit themselves with rattan sticks, some with bamboo, whatever was available in their culture I guess.
I think okinawa karate is unique in that you get hit, not just to condition your body, but to ingrain in you your proper form/posture. But maybe southern chinese martial arts did that as well? We'll never know for sure. A lot is lost to the sands of time.
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In the US most martial arts schools stress some form of sparring. During free sparring is where defensive and offensive techniques are used in simulated combat. To answer your question for training purposes do I get hit, the answer is yes. I spar.
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In my boxing gym, there's a couple of ways we train to get hit. The number one way is sparring since it's inevitable. Outside of sparring my coach sometimes will make us tighten our core and hit us with a medicine ball or will do some light body shots with gloves on. Other than that we try not to take too much intentional damage.
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We're usually hitting pads and bags. Though we sometimes block attacks to strengthen ourselves.
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most Nahe te disciplines practice sanchin. Uechi ryu, shorin Ryu are the ones i know that perform this outside of the chinese white crane. I do wado Ryu, Goju and aikido. so this method is how I work. Body conditioning and using ki is essential. I suppose its all relating to a way of life teaching.
In bujinkan we have a sanshin and yes we train by getting hit. Both very important
In kyokushin we practise sanchin aswell. A bit different but the intention is the same.
There's strengthening with getting hit in other places too; in boxing/kickboxing you see it with the medicine ball, in Chinese martial arts there are some conditioning techniques like the Iron Shirt where you strike your body to strengthen it(I think Goju-ryu accomplishes an Iron Shirt like result via the dynamic tension in Sanchin). In Muay Thai I haven't heard of anything similar, but their leg conditioning is the real deal - have practiced with former Muay Thai fighters and ended up with lots of bruises despite the protective padded gear used.
In my limited experience with Muay Thai and boxing, I’ve done some drills where one person punches, and kicks while the other blocks or checks, these are called dutch drills. So, there is some getting hit, though the majority of the getting hit in my experience is in sparring, and there is a lot of it.
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I did Shito-ryu only long enough to get to yellow belt. There are so many kata in the system that Sanchin was talked about as if it was a higher level kata. Doing Choy Li Fut later on our basics included forearm and shin condition drills against she shins and arms of other students. Like a lot of southern Chinese styles you will find training tools similar to some of the Okinawan ones and training dummies like those used by Wing Chun schools albeit used with very different looking techniques. This kung fu style is fairly modern in origin and has a different heritage than the styles that karate seems to have gotten Sanchin from. If CLF has a Sanchin form I wasn't shown it as a beginner.
Sanchin is also practised in several styles of Shorin Ryu. And of course it is practised in Uechi Ryu, but it looks a bit different there.
That's because those branches of Shorin Ryu learnt karate from Chojun Miyagi too.
We also do Sanchin kata in Goju-Kai Karate
I have in various arts gotten hit, even if to simply get used to being on the receiving end of techniques, much like any art that teaches throws or takedowns, you can't only practice just the throwing but also have to practice being thrown. But in those arts you mentioned, yes they definitely deal with being hit as part of their training but they go about it in different ways than traditional Karate.
We do both, getting hit conditions the body, so we can not only take punishment but dish it out as well. In Chinese it's called qi gong, kotekitai, Katie, in English it is called iron shirt training.
i started shorin ryu and we do sanchin, too
Shorinryu also has a Sanchin Kata, Hohan Soken Sensei used to teach it.
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I’ve commented before about this: in Shorin ryu style, We drill sanchin dachi and the mawashi uke. We learn the concept of it, to harden up, breathe all air out and get punched and struck as we move. But the kata we do not train as it’s not in our style apparently.
If I recall correctly I do believe you’re trying to maintain a certain alignment in san chin and getting hit helps you find it and or forces you to get it back if you get disrupted.
I did it a few times when i trained kyukushin kai karate.
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Goju Ryu is probably the most Kung Fu-oriented style of Karate, having evolved mostly from Five Ancestors Kung Fu. Five Ancestors also has the Sanchin kata, originally called Sam-Chien in Chinese.
Actually, Goju is mostly decended from White/Whooping Crane, not Five Ancestors. If you check Jesse Enkamps vids you'll see much more similarities to Crane style than to Five Ancestors.
@@jelleverstraaten9662 I did check out Jesse Enkamp's video, and while he does mention White/Whooping Crane, he also concludes that Goju Ryu's direct ancestor is Five Ancestors. White Crane is actually one of the five styles contained in Five Ancestors.
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@@flam6229 Yeah, Uechi Ryu is more Pangai Noon than Five Ancestors, but it does have Sanchin and a lot of the other stuff that Goju Ryu has.
Ur both wrong, encamp, n will of monkey steals peach w. Patrick bubashi all say it all if from incense shop boxing.
Sanchin is praticed in uechi ryu open hand, kyokushin, and goju kai (japanese goju ryu) as well as tensho
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Gojuryu, Isshinryu, Shitoryu, Wadoryu, Uechiryu and Kyokushinkai has Sanchin in the system
Sanchin everyday !!!
In Southern Mantis you get hit to condition.I some old form of Baji Quan and Hung Gar you hit each other in exercises to condition as well.
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When I trained dutch style kickboxing we used to get hit on our shins for conditioning and also smack in the stomach with a thai pad when doing sit ups to be sure we were flexing the abs and breathing out.
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I learn it from uechi Ryu, Body sore next day, not only that, after 3rd Sanchin, i fainted😂
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It's practiced in White Crane, Uechi Ryu, Ishin Ryu ...I think Naihanchi is Shotokan's version of it
I miss getting hit because you will not know the power you inflict on other unless you yourself feel the power you inflict on others. That said I am much older now 71 years old and still love all aspects of martial arts. Not fast like I was but powerful enough to defend myself .
Speaking of Sanchin, am I alone in thinking that this Kata is mainly about grappling? The slow movements and the basic position of the arms make me think that is kind of a clinch position, like a double under or over under?
They say that gojo, starts and ends with this form. That all movements and applications in the other 11 forms, are based on all the movements within this form.
I’m not sure if it’s mainly about grappling, but it sure is one of the components!
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Hangetsu is the shotokan equivalent I think. The same breathing and tension principles found in Sanchin should be present in the beginning of hangetsu.
In Kyokushinkai we have both sanchin kata and reinforcement training in which we are hit, but strangely enough, we are not hit during the sanchin kata practice, at least where I train.
In Kyokushin we always practice sanchin. But, im not sure that we have the sanchin dachi kata, Osu
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interesting this sanchin seems different from what i seen of other goju groups in okinawa
I think his dojo is quite unique
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@@alastairfraser8177 Nothing unique. It's the old version embusen (Chojun Miyagi's earlier version) the details are the same. Most schools teach the new version to juniors and this version to senior black belts. His Uke was either very tame or unsure if out of politeness, he should give the visitor the full shime (testing by striking). Usually a few smacks on the shoulder would turn it purple....but that's not polite to someone who has never done it before (might black-out n faint) - and kicking the groin area is standard too. I am sure Hokama's dojo is really tough (by all accounts) and I heard their sanchin is brutal too.
@@matthews1082 thanks for the info oss
Kyokushinkaikan Karate has Sanchin Kata, along with Tensho Kata, which have some similarities, in terms of stances and some of the hands techniques, such as shuto mawashi uchi.
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What lineage of Goju are they?
We do a version of Goju Ryu's sanchin in Kyokushin karate
I trained in kyokushin, and my schools “smacking” was punches and kicks (not hard for under 18, ladies and low ranking brown belts hard for 18+ male 3 bar brown and black belts ) and for mid ranking black belts boards all over the body, very first ones are always the head..
In SKA Kumite, Ippon and Sanbon especially, you can get hit. The object of the attacker is to hit the defender. It is the job of the defender to NOT get hit. It really makes you concentrate on defense or you get punched. We don’t do too much smacking as they do in Goju, however, Mr. Ohshima has been known to smack people down onto their shoulders from time to time. In my experience training with the JKA, they do not try to hit on the attack in Ippon or Sanbon, but they always hit on the counter while the defender is just standing there and not supposed to defend against it. In the SKA, we do NOT hit on the counter in Ippon or Sanbon. In the SKA, if you habitually hit people on your counters, someone is likely to punch you in the face and hard (like me, LOL).
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Uechi ryu, Goju-ryu & Isshinryu does Sanchin & Ryuei-ryu I think (though need to verify first)
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You did a great job !!! My sensei always tells us that miyagi sensei ( Goju Ryu) would only teach this kata for a year.
We do the kata with weights too.
Yes... in other martial arts I've done taekwondo (ITF) and tang soo do we did sparring by hitting each other.
Though sanchin is simple it's a real workout when you really try to do everything correctly. I can make myself practice gekisai kata's many times in a row and then repeat some bunkais but it's hard to push myeslf to do sanchin at least more than 2 times. It's so hard.