Many steel string guitars have the neck joining the body at the 14th fret. With my steel string guitar, what I like to do is to tune down a whole step and use a capo at the second fret, which gives standard tuning. The 12th fret is now where the neck and body meet. An added benefit of a capo at the second fret is that the string spacing is wider there than at the nut, which helps with being able to fret notes without muting/buzzing adjacent strings. The string tension is lower, also, which helps with the fingernails.
I have been doing just that for over 50 years. Examples, my current Martin 0000-1 and my 00-18V. The 0000-1 (one of 370 made between 1997 and 2000) has a 1 11/16ths nut. The capo on 2 makes it 1 3/4. The 00-18V is my minimum acceptable nut width of 1 3/4 and the second fret capo makes it a scrid over 1 13/16ths, my preferred nut width on a steel string guitar.
You can play any music on any guitar. I was once a member of the CGCA and enjoyed every moment of it. However, I now play exclusively on either a jazzmaster or an archtop. I still play a lot of the curriculum, but with a swing feel. Aguado can be pretty jazzy.😎
Thank you for this. I have 4 classical guitars and one acoustic. This video is very helpful to me. I never strum on any guitar (don't know how) so basically play the same pieces that I play on my classicals. This includes classical pieces (Sir, Bach, etc) as well as Ragtime which does sound better on the acoustic IMHO. Again thanks for this informative video. I often watch you.
Thanks for starting this conversation. Not much like it that I’ve found. Although a short 3 1/2 years into learning late in life, started at 68 as a pandemic diversion, I play classical repertoire on all three types of guitar. Jazz on all three. As a kid, I strummed folk on nylon strings as that was what the music store recommended as a starter guitar, it is 3/4 size. Simply put, I find mixing and matching helps strengthen skills in many fine ways. For this reason, and because, as a piano player, I love the particular ringing quality of steel, I got an orchestra sized 12 fretted acoustic, the Martin 000-15SM, that I chose for a more consistent crossover. But having easy access to higher frets on electric does have its advantages. As for my nails, I use fine sandpaper without fail after every steel session. Takes care of small dings on the edge of the nail which, if ignored, can make the nails more prone to crack. I’ll also play with a pick on nylon, as my childhood guitar and a flamenco model both have pickguards. I find a rounded tip smaller jazz pick, my favorite is from Pickboy, the 150 J-pick, works well on nylon. Variety is the spice, no? Happy plucking and picking, all.
I'm thoroughly enjoying the classical guitar corner books Simon. i studied classical guitar in college many years ago but alway had an issue with my nails because the tip of the middle finger of my right hand was very severely injured when i was young. i have a nail on that finger tip but it's problematic. I love the sound of the classical guitar with nails. I own a beautiful del Pilar that Mr. del Pilar made for me 40 years ago. But as of late, i am playing a Martin steel string with no nails while working on classical guitar corner material and while i miss the tonal qualities of the classical guitar with nails, i'm finding using the flesh of my finger tips on the steel sting guitar is the most satisfying alternative.
Yes, great point -- that is one difference you'll find on most classicals, no fret dots. Some do have dots on the 7th fret, but many have none. You can actually buy stick on fret dots, though. For an easier option: use white out on the top part of the neck where you sometimes see fret dots on acoustics (not directly on the fretboard). Works great, is easily removable, and free fret dots!
so im trying to play in the classical position with my steel string using a strap. But im noticing that the neck is super high like i have to almost look all the way up to play. Is that normal? ive seen a lot of classical players with the neck super high but it still seems to sit at eye level where as for me i have to look up at the neck
Hey, they are both acoustic guitars, one a nylon string (classical or flamingo) the second is a steel string (also called a folk guitar). Get it right!
Hi there, yes, they are both acoustic guitars technically. However, the common lingo in most circles is to refer to them as "classical" (nylon string) and "acoustic" (steel string) Flamenco is typically called "flamenco."
After playing many years on a nylon string and a lot of experimenting I switched to a 'steel' string and I don't think I will ever go back. But it isn't just a standard stock instrument. As with the classical guitar you have to find a really good guitar. There exist acoustics with a wider neck. Nice string balancing can be achieved by using and mixing the string types you like. For the lower strings I use silk and steel. That is why I putted the word steel in quotes. A good acoustic has a much better intonation, especially in the higher range. I may be wrong, but I have the impression that the acoustic used in the video is of a lower quality that the classical. Using the correct right hand finger plucking, I never have problems with broken nails. The only thing you cannot do is rasgueado. There is much more to say about this. To conclude: I believe that the perfect guitar is a kind of hybrid, mixing the best features of classical, steel string and even jazz archtop guitars that use elements from the violin construction. But that is still in the hands of a few rare luthiers.
I think classical repertoire lends itself better to steel string electric than steel string acoustic-you have so much greater ability to shape the tone to your imagination ...
“Acoustic” does not mean “steel-string”; it means the strings’ sound is amplified by mechanical means (a soundboard or a resonator) rather than electronic. Both nylon-string and steel-string guitars are acoustic if they don’t rely on a pickup and amplifier to be heard.
Personally, I would. Unless money is a deterrent. In that case, there is no problem playing classical "style" on a steel string. There are several good introductory nylon string guitars you can find for between 400 and 800 dollars. Especially if you buy something pre owned. Best of luck!
The really main difference in Crossover Guitars is that the neck is NOT AS WIDE as on th Classical Guitar. Cordona (renound in its prooduction of Classical Guitars) makes a really nice Crossover Guitar: Check it out at:
With the right notes and the right feeling, I won't mind Bach on a Telecaster.
Thank you for this presentation, it’s excellent! I’ve been contemplating buying a classical guitar to be friends with my steel strings!
Many steel string guitars have the neck joining the body at the 14th fret. With my steel string guitar, what I like to do is to tune down a whole step and use a capo at the second fret, which gives standard tuning. The 12th fret is now where the neck and body meet. An added benefit of a capo at the second fret is that the string spacing is wider there than at the nut, which helps with being able to fret notes without muting/buzzing adjacent strings. The string tension is lower, also, which helps with the fingernails.
I have been doing just that for over 50 years. Examples, my current Martin 0000-1 and my 00-18V.
The 0000-1 (one of 370 made between 1997 and 2000) has a 1 11/16ths nut. The capo on 2 makes it 1 3/4.
The 00-18V is my minimum acceptable nut width of 1 3/4 and the second fret capo makes it a scrid over 1 13/16ths,
my preferred nut width on a steel string guitar.
You can play any music on any guitar. I was once a member of the CGCA and enjoyed every moment of it.
However, I now play exclusively on either a jazzmaster or an archtop.
I still play a lot of the curriculum, but with a swing feel. Aguado can be pretty jazzy.😎
Thank you for this. I have 4 classical guitars and one acoustic. This video is very helpful to me. I never strum on any guitar (don't know how) so basically play the same pieces that I play on my classicals. This includes classical pieces (Sir, Bach, etc) as well as Ragtime which does sound better on the acoustic IMHO. Again thanks for this informative video. I often watch you.
Thanks for starting this conversation. Not much like it that I’ve found. Although a short 3 1/2 years into learning late in life, started at 68 as a pandemic diversion, I play classical repertoire on all three types of guitar. Jazz on all three. As a kid, I strummed folk on nylon strings as that was what the music store recommended as a starter guitar, it is 3/4 size. Simply put, I find mixing and matching helps strengthen skills in many fine ways. For this reason, and because, as a piano player, I love the particular ringing quality of steel, I got an orchestra sized 12 fretted acoustic, the Martin 000-15SM, that I chose for a more consistent crossover. But having easy access to higher frets on electric does have its advantages. As for my nails, I use fine sandpaper without fail after every steel session. Takes care of small dings on the edge of the nail which, if ignored, can make the nails more prone to crack. I’ll also play with a pick on nylon, as my childhood guitar and a flamenco model both have pickguards. I find a rounded tip smaller jazz pick, my favorite is from Pickboy, the 150 J-pick, works well on nylon. Variety is the spice, no? Happy plucking and picking, all.
Have both and appreciate the tonal qualities of each my 4 steel and 4 classical. Use different string gages to achieve ease of play❤
I'm thoroughly enjoying the classical guitar corner books Simon. i studied classical guitar in college many years ago but alway had an issue with my nails because the tip of the middle finger of my right hand was very severely injured when i was young. i have a nail on that finger tip but it's problematic. I love the sound of the classical guitar with nails. I own a beautiful del Pilar that Mr. del Pilar made for me 40 years ago. But as of late, i am playing a Martin steel string with no nails while working on classical guitar corner material and while i miss the tonal qualities of the classical guitar with nails, i'm finding using the flesh of my finger tips on the steel sting guitar is the most satisfying alternative.
I just bought my classical guitar.
I noticed that there is no dots on the fret board.
And it is same to most classical guitar I see.
Yes, great point -- that is one difference you'll find on most classicals, no fret dots. Some do have dots on the 7th fret, but many have none. You can actually buy stick on fret dots, though. For an easier option: use white out on the top part of the neck where you sometimes see fret dots on acoustics (not directly on the fretboard). Works great, is easily removable, and free fret dots!
I was always wondering how Tremolo will compare on the 2 guitars and which will support it more?
so im trying to play in the classical position with my steel string using a strap. But im noticing that the neck is super high like i have to almost look all the way up to play. Is that normal? ive seen a lot of classical players with the neck super high but it still seems to sit at eye level where as for me i have to look up at the neck
I guess it would be interesting to string the 6 string guitar with nylon. Also, I dont use my nails when picking a guitar? Guess that would be a fail.
Hey, they are both acoustic guitars, one a nylon string (classical or flamingo) the second is a steel string (also called a folk guitar). Get it right!
Hi there, yes, they are both acoustic guitars technically. However, the common lingo in most circles is to refer to them as "classical" (nylon string) and "acoustic" (steel string) Flamenco is typically called "flamenco."
After playing many years on a nylon string and a lot of experimenting I switched to a 'steel' string and I don't think I will ever go back. But it isn't just a standard stock instrument. As with the classical guitar you have to find a really good guitar. There exist acoustics with a wider neck. Nice string balancing can be achieved by using and mixing the string types you like. For the lower strings I use silk and steel. That is why I putted the word steel in quotes. A good acoustic has a much better intonation, especially in the higher range. I may be wrong, but I have the impression that the acoustic used in the video is of a lower quality that the classical. Using the correct right hand finger plucking, I never have problems with broken nails. The only thing you cannot do is rasgueado. There is much more to say about this. To conclude: I believe that the perfect guitar is a kind of hybrid, mixing the best features of classical, steel string and even jazz archtop guitars that use elements from the violin construction. But that is still in the hands of a few rare luthiers.
The "acoustic" guitar in the video is, in fact, a "high end" boutique guitar. Not to my liking but others like them.
I think classical repertoire lends itself better to steel string electric than steel string acoustic-you have so much greater ability to shape the tone to your imagination ...
cool
Thanks!
“Acoustic” does not mean “steel-string”; it means the strings’ sound is amplified by mechanical means (a soundboard or a resonator) rather than electronic. Both nylon-string and steel-string guitars are acoustic if they don’t rely on a pickup and amplifier to be heard.
He briefly addresses that within the first minute. We live in a world where string acoustics are commonly called acoustic.
Yes, though amongst guitarist we shorten it by just saying acoustic. Just the way we say electric...we know what electric means....
@@steveb9325 I never call steel string guitars "acoustic", they are steel string guitars. All guitars are acoustic.
@jeffhildreth9244 yes sir sounds good 👍
My steel string shines its best in its case in the closet. 😂 I’ve been playing nylon string guitar for so long, my steel string playing is terrible.
I play acoustic but im starting classical guitar lessons. does that mean I should buy a classical guitar for it?
Personally, I would. Unless money is a deterrent. In that case, there is no problem playing classical "style" on a steel string. There are several good introductory nylon string guitars you can find for between 400 and 800 dollars. Especially if you buy something pre owned. Best of luck!
And you didn't even get started on Barrios!😄😎
nylon vs steel string
both are acoustic (not electrical)
There is now crossover guitar that play nylon string with the feeling of a steel string guitar they are an awesome compromise
The really main difference in Crossover Guitars is that the neck is NOT AS WIDE as on th Classical Guitar. Cordona (renound in its prooduction of Classical Guitars) makes a really nice Crossover Guitar: Check it out at: