Mind Officially Blown! Tasty Red Fleshed Apples Grown From Seeds
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- My mind is pretty blown this year by how many good red fleshed apples I have grown from seed. This project to grow new apple varieties from seed has turned out great and it should only get better from here as I move into the next generations of offspring. I'm glad I went with my intuition 12 years ago when I felt like I had to do this project.
Support on / skillcult has been critical in keeping me experimenting and making content. If you want to help me help others, this is probably the best way to do it. Thank you Patrons for supporting the mission!
Donations can also be sent via PayPal @: www.paypal.com...
Buy less, but buy it through my links! Shopping through my affiliate links generates revenue for me, at no extra cost to you, click links here, or go to my Amazon Store page: skillcult.com/a... But seriously, buy less, do more.
Standard gear I recommend. I either use or have used all of it.
Council Tool Boys Axe: amzn.to/3z0muqI
Bahco Farmer's File: amzn.to/3Hbdhij
King two sided sharpening stone: amzn.to/32EX1XC
Silky f180 saw: amzn.to/3yZzM71
ARS 10 foot long reach pruner: amzn.to/3esETmM
Victorinox grafting/floral knife: amzn.to/3Jki1E9
Wiebe 12” fleshing tool: amzn.to/3sB0qSl
Atlas Elbow Gloves: amzn.to/3FwB5g6
BOOKS:
The Axe Book, by Dudley Cook: amzn.to/32kx7sN
Bushcraft, by Mors Kochanski: amzn.to/32q2rpT
Subscribe to my channel for more insightful Self Reliance related content: www.youtube.com... Click the bell icon to be notified of new content. Subscribing doesn’t mean that much on it’s own.
Blog and website: www.skillcult.com/blog
Instagram and Facebook @SkillCult
I miss my apple experiments. I grafted 50 or so varieties onto wild rootstock that came up on my property but had to sell a year ago. I had some amazing wild apples good for breeding. Keep it ip your doing amazing work. Was hoping to send you a super early disease resistant variety crunchy and good for breeding. Oh well i had to drop my obsession for now. Hoping to have a small orchard of your best someday.
That's a real bummer. I'm going to have to move a lot of stuff and regraft so much. But at least I can keep coming back and working here.
You have passion and skill set that are unparalleled. It's inspired me for sure! I hope you continue to find joy in what you're doing because it's amazing. You're pretty much the coolest person on RUclips 😎 lol
I've watched you for years. You should be very proud of what you've accomplished. From your descriptions, you are getting close to your goal. Maybe one cross away from your market quality red-fleshed desert apple. Keep going, and you will get there. .........and I enjoy comming along for the ride!!!!
I may have it already, but testing takes time. And some of it I can't really do.
Had a chance to buy red fleshed apples here on east coast for first time. I drove a 130plus mile round trip to buy Lucy Glo apples. What a great apple and i have no doubt many of yours are way better. They have another called Lucy Rose that suppose to be much stronger berry flavored. I hope they get shipped here too.I cant hardly wait for my trees and grafts to produce. Cant wait to see what scion and seeds you have for sale this year.
I'm glad that worked out for you. the lucy glo I got were not good. I hear it can be very good though. Consistency is probably going to be a big issue for RF apples in markets. They are finicky on flesh color (and therefore flavor) development.
Congratulations Steven! It sounds like 11-7 you have a lot of winners! I know you're still working on developing a lot of these strains, but I'm hoping you have some scions to sell soon to the general public.
I'll be releasing at least a couple things this year, at least Clarion and Hella Kitty. I honestly can't remember off the top of my head lol. Too much info to keep track of. Not sure about 11/7 yet. also not sure what to call it. something pink in keeping with the others named in that group, vanilla pink and pink lemonade.
Just got some gold rush seeds to add to what ive been sprouting. Ive just been sprouting from store bought pink lady, probably another 2 years before ill see fruit but there are some monster wood producers already!
I am thrilled for you and for all of us. Red Delicious never did a thing for me; tasteless. I see ppl lining up, wanting cuttings. Thank You for doing this important work. 🍒
PS: Need good Cider & Vinegar too. Gotta be tough sorting all the various types of apples.
It is a little overwhelming for sure lol. I'm trying to take better notes, but so much to do...
Vanilla pink❤❤❤
When an idea becomes a legend.
Those red flesh apples are impressive!
I'd like to see a video on your deer fence, what material used, how high etc.
My deer fences are trash, but my deer are just not that agressive fortunately. In areas with high pressure, you need good fences. If they are desperate, they will kick their way through or try to jump over, sometimes getting caught in the fience and hanging by a hoof.
Have you ever considered a Harry & David style mail order business? Maybe that's not what you need, but it would be interesting to try these.
Someone mentioned that before. Maybe it was you. I don't have enough of most and I really dont' need another demanding, detail oriented job. I have way too much to do already. I could see doing it in the future, especially if I can have someone else do all the work :) I think it would be neat to offer that. If nothing else to help people decide what they want to grow.
Love this idea!!
Hi Steven, This spring I am going to send you some redfleshed apple scions for you to experiment with. One variety that I have been breeding with is Roberts Crab. It's a super redfleshed, golfball size, tannic, high sugar, woody texture apple. Another one you should trial is Otterson. It was breed at Michagan State, and is a medium large, very redfleshed, pretty good dessert apple, with OK texture. Also, I have Thornberry - a Etter varity, which is pink fleshed, and Redlove Sirena. I also have some small primitive varieties such as Timiskaning, Irene, Cranberry. I have made some crosses with your Sugarwood x Thornberry to make a 3 way Etter variety. I aquired all these except Redlove and Thornberry from USDA.
Thanks, I think I have robertsons and otterson already. I have Thornberry and have tried Sirena might have timiskaning too. I've got so many I can't keep track. I'm not collecting anything new until I move anyway. I also have irene and cranberry, but no fruit yet I don't think.
@@SkillCultwhere are you moving to could I buy a bundle of cutting I'm a tree collector who has a small apple that's ready to have grafts.
I would even start from seeds too
Tried a European red flesh variety of Kissabel apple ... would live to hear how their red varieties compare to yours!!!
I have heard of it but haven't tried it.
WOW! This is the first time I've seen any of your videos. So it sounds like you're a homesteader? And an amateur horticulturalist? Your apple tree crosses are amazing!!! Do you ever sell any of your crosses, or are you just trying to create some that can then be sold to a major nursery to start begin distributed with royalties going to you, or, or, or??? Would love to know. My husband and I are creating a small homestead ourselves and looking to plant a LOT of fruit and nut trees out there. We're both interested in some of these varieties you've created, as well as learning about what you do and how you do it, so we're looking forward to following your channel! Hoping for a response to my questions. Many thanks!
yeah, something like that. I often tell people I'm an experimental horitculturist. I'm not sure about marketing apples. I may try to figure out how to get some long term income from a few of the best ones, but it all that is very complicated. Most of them I just release into the public domain. I already have a bunch out. Cherry Crush, BITE ME!, Cherub, Vanilla Pink, Pink Lemonade, Black Strawberry... More coming this year. I sell scions every year, so if you can graft, or learn, you can grow them :). I have a long grafting series on here.
@@SkillCult SWEET! (pun intended 😂) How do you get scions to people quickly enough to be sure they'll be viable? I'm no expert on grafting (or even an amateur yet, truth be told), but don't you want to graft a scion on the say day as you cut them for the best success? What part of the country are you in and how do you ship? That first apple that you were gobbling down is gorgeous and sounds like it tastes divine!
The one I got from Miami fruit was bronzish outside red inside and tasted like starburst
What kind of store do you find apples like that
Really enjoyed the video
Thanks for this.
Question, bonsai groups may be interested in the trees that aren't 'keepers', could you lop & grow for another season ? Would the trees back-bud low down? I love the wild red flesh and it's exciting to see your fruit with the best presentation, love your work , inspiring
I dont' understand the question. Do you mean the whole tree, or like cuttings of them? I'll be removing some of the culls completely and using others to propagate by grafting since they are good established roots.
@@SkillCult Thanks, I meant the trees you will remove, their growing roots as living plants. Could your culls go to a bonsai group nearby? If you lopped your culls, would they back-bud on a short trunk? Could you leave them growing for a season after a hard cut back before ripping them out? The fruit wouldn't matter if the tree would survive as a bonsai.
@@suz4keeps Yes, they will sprout back. Since they are dwarfs, It is easier to move the stubs. I may keep some of the ones I tear out and regraft to take with me. I can use them to grow more copies of the best seedlings or for other varieties, scion production etc.
Yes, miniature juice apple plantation! I am doing it now, but I want ur stuff as well. :-)
I think there could be a market for mini juice apples that you dont' have to cut. Just toss them in a juicer whole. I mean for like juice bars and home juicing fresh. But also potential for bigger juice operations it would seem. I should have that columnar one with no name out this year, but only a few scions unfortunately. I hope to have more this year, but those little things don't put on a lot of growth, so it is necessarily a slower process to propagate them. Of course I could sell smaller scions as the buds are packed so close.
Pretty amazing... I know it has to be a good apple when you keep chomping at it.
How many years before we see any of these commercially grown and sold in the stores?
or
Will you just sell scions to us little guys to try and grow in different grow zones?
Keep up the good work.
Testing varieties enough to get them into commercial production is a whole big deal. I'm not sure that will happen with any of my varieties. They also just may not be suitable as far as storage ability goes. The modern apple paradigm relies heavily not long keeping and storage under highly controlled conditions. That 11/7 probably would not hold up well at all. that group tends to go soft pretty fast after they peak.
@@SkillCult Right, commercial varieties need to store long.
So I guess it would be a great variety for a backyard orchard.
Even just a few branches on a mixed variety tree.
THX
😇mygreathanks and blessings for your wonderful work...
Too bad youtube doesn't have smell and taste-o-vision! Wonderful & Fascinating Apple Tour. Thanks for sharing.
Do you have a video teaching how to grow apples ? The entries process?
I’m new to agriculture been watching a lot of videos on how to grow crops and livestock and taking notes but I didn’t know you had to graft apples I thought you had to bury the seeds and that was it pardon my ignorance I grew up in the city.
No, I don't. That is a pretty big subject. It is really the opposite. If you graft, you get exactly the same apple. If you grow from seed, it is a gamble and it will almost always turn out significantly different, but that is how I make these new varieties. I do have content on grafting, lots of that. there is an 11 part playlist. but basic planting and growing not so much. I do have some great content on training though.
@@SkillCult I know nothing I’m just starting I’ll go watch those now
This just fun!
Як багато Ви смачних сортiв яблук даруете свiту...😊
Would love to try some of these if I want on the wrong side of the pond :)
I hope your new place will have enough space so you can just mass plant seeds on acres upon acres to find trees that survive utterly neglected and still manage to make delicious disease free apples.
some of my varieties are already overseas. I might be able to put you in touch with people that have them. contact me through my website.
Nice apples.
I just moved from Washington back to Ohio, and brought my 3-year-old potted Cosmic Crisp with me. I have a couple of Porter's Perfection trees that I want to cross with it. I am hoping to make a disease resistant cider apple with the large cells, disease resistance, late flowering, and keeping quality of the Cosmic Crisp. I am hoping that the large cells will give a good ratio of juice to pulp. I am hoping that the keeping quality of Cosmic Crisp will allow me to use the apples right away, or store them for less acid and more aromatics. I am also hoping my Cosmic Crisp does not die on me because I am no longer a resident of Washington and can't replace it. I have Melrose scion already, and will probably add Gold Rush to the list.
I was thinking it might be a good apple for traditional colonial era apple butter if juice can be reasonably extracted. The recipe I have seen calls for sweet/low acid apples. You juice a bushel and peel & core a bushel. If you still have it, I might be interested in buying some scion from you-unless you think it is unsuitable for this purpose. A bit of starch in the apple may help to thicken the apple butter.
P.S. A lawyer assured me that it was legal to bring my Cosmic Crisp with me since I signed no contract and purchased it legally 3 years ago. I simply can not propagate it.
P.P.S. The Rubaiyat x King David 2014 #5 looks awesome. I hope it gets better with age.
I have used Gold Rush for traditional apple butter as you describe. It really is best picked in the fall and mellowed into the winter.
How do you make these crosses? Simple pollen + flower = lots of seed trials?
Yeah, more or less. I have changed my pollination methods quite a bit over the years to get better isolation and higher efficiency, but it is pretty simple. You just have to do th work and be patient.
Love seeing your work over the years. Do you have any whips available for purchase for fall or spring planting on my reperposed tree farm in zone 6b?
Thanks
I'm still not selling trees. Just growing these for the move. Eventually that might happen, but not until I have help and basically someone else to run that stuff.
Question, I have had good luck and bad luck by replanting store bought seed fruit and veg.
Are the seeds from the grocery store different from organic seeds that you could use?
some things, like apples, already do not grow true from seeds, so you will get something different, sometimes good sometimes not. vegetables are often hybrids, which basically means they are not stabilized. some hybrids will throw very similar or usually good offspring, others, like squash, can throw very different and not so good offspring. It depends on what you are planting, but it is often a big gamble to grow from seed that is of unknown parentage.
Do you find the numerous Grenadine X Goldrush crosses have a long ripening window? You tasted quite a few of these in you video like a month ago. Or do they just hang well? Have they inherited GoldRush's excellent keeping trait? Whats the coldest temp youve had there to date? Glad to see youre having a lot of good results. Wish I could taste black Strawberry (will havd to wait prob 2 years there). Thanks for the triceratops update as well.
Not really. if I tasted any back then that were good, most would have gotten less good. I have a bunch of them, so they ripen at different times. There are a couple that might, one is 11/6, which has been intriguing the last couple of years. It is only a little pink. and 11/5, which is not pink at all. I'd say if anything, they might be the opposite. Gold Rush's keeping is after picking under ripe, so I will have to try that to find out. I will not be surprised if one or two do, but I would guess that most won't.
I don't measure temps much. I've measured 18f I think at ground level in a cold spot, but it is usually well above 20 degrees. That was a long time ago, so I don't think I had any late hanging apples yet. Not sure. A guy that is another 1000 feet or more in elevation told me that everything freezes out (fruit damage) there except Hauer pippin.
I went back and looked at the "keep it or kill it" video and there were definitely a lot of Grenadine x goldrush crosses in both videos. The ones in this video will be too late for my climate but wow do I want to play with those genetics. I'll definitely be watching your seed sale for crosses of vanilla pink and and earlier varieties like WP, Cherry Crush, Chestnut, etc. Pollen too. I'd like to cross your later varieties with Bill's Red Flesh aka Scarlett Surprise. It ripens in August here, has respectable levels of red flesh and tastes pretty good.
One other note, picked Sugarwood on Nov 2nd since we were forecast to get 20s Temps and snow. The last one sat on my table until like Dec 7th or so and was still firm! It was definitely still firm, and did exhibit some red staining near the skin. Surprisingly only got 17 brix. Probably explained by letting it set more fruit than I should have and it was a damp summer. Was initially hoping to make a pint of single varietal cider. Alas it wasn't to be. The flavor was definitely sweet and rich with a little tannin in there. I'm sure it'll be great when I don't try to push it too hard. Got some controlled crosses with Sugarwood with Hewes Crab, WP, Enterprise and an unknown red fleshed crab I found in my neighborhood.
Whew, sorry for the text wall and as always, thanks for the great video and inspiration!
Would inbreeding the various grenadine x gold rush offspring be a way to fine tune the various attributes? I really wish I was closer to having a tree that could take a graft, they look so delicious. I remember watching your videos from the early years, congratulations on making it to this point, must feel great!
Yes, he could make progress by crossing siblings and reselecting towards certain traits
I'm not sure. My instinct is usually to keep adding new genes, not going backward. I guess I don't know why the negative traits would not be reinforced as much as the good ones?
(1) are most of the shrubby trees you’re picking from just grown from seed crosses, ie not grafted onto root stock? (2) What about the trees in the moving nursery bed starting at 24:41? (3) how long can you keep trees that closely planted if you value variety over productivity?
1) they are all on dwarfing stock, bud 9 / M9 size. 2) The nursery trees are all on bud 10 this time. i"m trying it out. Seems nice, but we'll see. bigger than bud 9, amazing roots! 3) That is too close. they are only 12 inches apart. you can get away with cordon training 18 inches apart and 6 feet between rows, but I would recommend using 2 feet apart. but they have to be maintained with regular pruning to do really well. Preferably at least one summer purning and then a winter pruning. You can look for info on diagonal cordon. It is a good way to fit a lot of variety in a small strip of ground.
Thanks, that's helpful (and I'm a Patreon member)...@@SkillCult
@@miketaylor3408 Great, thanks :). I should do a video on my diagonal cordons. They are a mess, but I've learned quite a bit.
If you get to offering seeds for that Grenadine X Gold Rush 11-7, I would be interested for sure.
I didn't save those separately, but I put a lot of them and other gren x gold rush in the red fleshed blend.
do you send out emails when you have seeds/ scion wood available on your site?
Yes, to my email list. Just sub to my blog at www.skillcult.com
Which tastes better to you? Vanilla pink or grenadine x goldrush 11/7?
They are a little different, but I'd say they are similar in quality. Neither has quite the fruity punch of grenadine or Appleoosa, but both are much better apples overall. I imagine I might develop a preference eventually, but they are both pretty damn good. 11/7 might have lower tannin, can't remember for sure. I'm using both for breeding this year. I just gathered 11/7 pollen this morning and will start using it tomorrow.
Nice work. Please let us know if you get to the point of selling seeds for these tasty red-fleshed varieties.
I will, hopefully within a couple of weeks. Seeds are harvested, just need to sort, count and list them. Best ways to find out when they drop are patreon, then my blog mail list, then instagram.
Are those Tibetan Blacks next to the Vanilla Pinks?
They could be californian black
BTW, all that viral "Titetan Black" apple is a dark selection of Red Delicious. So all reports I've seen about this apple is that it is given as a gift for Chinese New Year and isn't meant to be eaten because it tastes like shit
I always figured those were docotored photos. It is a cross between King David and rubaiyat. I have two very dark apples like that, the other is Black Strawberry.
I don't think those were doctored pictures. I watched a tour of the orchard were they were grown. It is a unique variety bred in Tibet and adapted to the climate. The apples are very flavorful and have absolutely nothing to do with at Western variety. They are relatively small, though. That's why I was thinking that you may have some. They need serious frost to blossom.
If you run across a video link, post it. I'd like to see that. thanks. @@zeideerskine3462
What’s your opinion on Antonovka Apples? I’ve read that the seeds grow almost true to the tree? Looking for a good cold hardy base apple to start experimenting with. 🍏 😊
I actually dont' have it and have not tried one. I think I would also try putting red fleshed apples of other kinds onto hardy trees and see if the offspring survive. Others are doing that already, you cold climate people need to network. I sometimes have trailman seed crosses for sale. Not sure I made many red flesh crosses onto it this year, but I should have some trailman seed. Depending how cold you are. If you are in minnesota or something, you have more options than way up in Canada or Alaska.
@@SkillCult Thanks, I’m in WI zone 4
I'd look into the best cold hardy varities, like sweet 16 and chestnut, or get seeds or pollen from me to make those crosses with quality RF apples to carry the RF genes into cold hardy offspring. I think that will work. I'd be looking at planting large numbers of seedlings and just leaving them in the field where they are for a couple of years. I'd just plant them really close together in wide beds and stuff that survives several winters graft out to go to fruit. If you don't know the story of the wealthy apple, look it up. very interesting. @@AmbersDaintyThrowBlanket
@@SkillCult thanks so much for the wonderful advice!! Will definitely look into it.
@@SkillCult I appreciate the advice here. I'm also in zone 4 and am interested in good cold-hardy RF apples. I purchased a Grenadine (due to its dark coloring) before stumbling on your site, with the hopes of crossing it with cold-hardy varieties. Trying it with sweet 16 is a great idea. Thanks! :)
What type of rootstock do you use?
I've used all kinds. for standards I'm inclined to just use seedlings now. I like bud 9 for small dwarfs but have used others.
When will you start selling scions from any of these trees?
I already sell some, like Vanilla Pink. I'll be adding more this year. Hella Kitty, the fruity columnar tree and Clarion for sure out of this video and maybe others. Scion sales are usually in February. best ways to find out when they are available and best access in order are Patreon www.patreon.com/skillcult, subbing to my blog www.skillcult.com/blog and instagram. The rarest, anything new basically, are auctioned on figbid due to limited supply. Anything I have a lot of goes in my webstore.
Ive been growing wild apples from seeds for the last 10 years and mostly gorilla planting them out in wild places....i wait until they fruit and see what they taste like......i love hunting for wild apples since i decided to make cider! I would love a red flesh apple....is there any chance you could send me some seeds from one of your reds?? I would be aiming to breed a red flesh cider apple rather than an eating apple....the uk doesnt have much choice for red flesh apples unfortunately
Вlack strawberry..❤❤❤
Do you sell any scionwood?
Yes, every winter! The best ways to find out when that happens in order are Patreon, subbing to my blog at skillcult.com and instagram.
What do you mean by "icy texture"?
Hard to explain. It is crisp, but finely grainy I guess. Not sure it is a great metaphor.
Was that maypole x hard CC what I'd suggested as Candy Cane in a previous video?
Yes, but it is maypole x chestnut. I'll be crossing it with HCC.
I feel like if somebody crossed in Arkansas black with one of those red flesh that possibly they could find a dark flash a purple black flesh.
Do you sell those apples
Currently some are available but, only as scion wood for grafting. I'll be talking with some nurseries about offering them as trees ready to plant. for now, I do auctions once a year, which have just ended and I sell some in my webstore www.skillcult.com/store, but again, only as scion wood. As time goes on, they should be more available and cheaper and as trees.
Are these seeds available for purchase?
I sell seeds every year, some open pollinated by bees and some of the hand pollinated crosses that I use for breeding. They won't grow the same apple as the seed, but that is how we get all these new apples. If you want these specific apples, you have to graft them, but I already sell scions for some in the winter and will be adding some of these this year, like Hella Kitty and Clarion. Seeds will be available pretty soon. Most are harvested and drying. Just need to collect a few more, then count and list them all.
@SkillCult Thank you very much for the info, I apologize if I missed that info. I did go to your Amazon store but didn't see them. I would love to get some scions from you when available. Will they be on your Amazon store when ready or how do i find them? And on a side note while at your store I noticed you have san pedro, that is awesome. I have around a hundred or so mature san pedro and five hundred or so seedlings going. Thanks again
How can we reach out to you for a Scion list?
Cheeks sticking to my teeth reminds me of the good old days back in the 1980s😂
I would go for an apple called Sean Connery
Congratulations on so many successful apple varieties! Black Strawberry looks amazing! I'd like to fit more apples into our landscape here, and am dreaming of training a row of stepovers. How necessary do you think it would be to start with a dwarf rootstock for such a project? Is it silly to think I could start them from seed and just keep them pruned? I'm following your blog for updates on when seeds and scions are up for sale, hope you're doing well :)
I would probably use dwarf stock for that, though they may not live as long. Maybe research what the english or french used.
@@SkillCult Thank you for your insight, I'll do just that! I purchased some of your open-pollinated Cherub seeds today. If any of them end up anything like Cherub, I think they'll make beautiful stepovers!
Is 17 acres for 137,000 fine to u?
It would depend on the property of course. some 17 acre plots are probably worth millions, some more like thousands.
Rubaiyat×pinkparfait...❤😊
Jolly brancher without branches is a pole apple, call it : jolly pole . . . on second thoughts no.
Рубiат × кing david просто супер..❤❤❤😊
Grenadine×goldrush#7....❤
Persephone for a pomagranite flavored apple...
I don't know the reference. I'll look it up.
🎉🎉😎😎
(Rubaiyat x Pink Parfait) 2015 #2, 21:24
It's very good. Probably will get a name and released. Just need to grow and eat it more.
@@SkillCult Black Strawberry also sounds very promising. Perhaps in different environments, it would be perfection.
I absolutely love these videos, but I cannot stand the mouth noises of the chewing and eating... It's so hard to constantly be adjusting the volume so that I don't get creeped out by it.
sorry. I just gave up trying to curb that. There is just too much to think about. Also, taking in air is part of tasting, so smacking is not just bad manners, it is instinctive in tasting things. That is why wine people slurp in air and wine together.
@@SkillCult I know, I get it, but woooo, can wait for these to go on sale.
Apple00sa...дуже добре загрузився ❤