I already moved on to NIKKE, chilling there for a little, while SG sorts their shit because the game is very stale. And Thank you Tristan for being one of the voices of the community, even thou SG doesn’t seem to listen very well
In the same boat, felt super disappointed with the way E7 and SW have been handling things recently and how shockingly stale both games became because devs lack communication and any desire to improve and add actual content to their game. I suddenly got the urge to play nikke after hearing all the hype behind 2nd anni, eva collab, and Cindy. Despite missing all these events, I still decided to start the game, which goes to show how bad of a state both those games are in.
ok the fact that illynav has a higher banrate that seapoli actually caught me off guard everyone else sounds about right. Luna and Harsetti are just banned cause they are obnoxious units that just take the fun out its not even just a matter of them being strong. Luna disables 50% of relevant units with a 100% with no REAL answers we have some units to deal with her especially now with ml hwa. Harsetti literally makes the entire matches start speed rng so ur literally coinflipping matches unless u have zio who harsetti players ban anyways but hey atleast now we have a real answer for her in RTA not in arena though where people just run kid senya as well to counter your kid senya.
You are 100% right. I like to think of Luna as a cheat code unit. If she's fast enough and is on book, you press s3 and the rest of the team just have to kill. As easily as that. Disabling the whole enemy team passives at once is just like rape. As for Harsetti, aside from the speed rng, she turns every single fight into a loooong and monotonous nightmare. I chose Zio in the last headhunt event so I could breathe a little against her, and I'm skipping Byblis banner so I can pull Blooming Lidica for the same reason. And they've released Young Senya as an option to counter Harsetti more easily, but guess what? Arena defenses are crawling with Young Senya AND Harsetti. I feel sick to my stomach every time I have to do regular arena. It's not possible, at this time, that smilegate don't understand that New Moon Luna and Harsetti were a big and retarded mistake.
Illynav caught you off guard?. Cleanse with undispellable Def+er buff. Tank. Injury build in. Constant CR push. Reduce damage pen. She is literally the best tank in the game. She has no real counter other than heavy debuffers with stun/sleep or ML Luna. Ml Hwa isn't enough and she isn't even strong. Too much resources needed to kill one single LIGHT hero.
Also don't forget that she makes units that were meta before and many of us have build like LRK or MLsenya useless, and if they pick Illynav they now have free access to those strong units.
@@portaelrex This is the worst part imo, "teehee if you pick any pen units I know you're post banning Ilynav which makes your draft predictable, teehee I can still freely pick Jenua, BMH at full strength" such a ludicrous unit.
I agree with everything except your last sentence. In arena and gw you counter kid senya with spoli because you halve her fighting spirit. I have almost 100% winrate if I use spoli who you mix with your kid senya so you will probably kill everyone before enemy kid senya activates her passive. But not everybody has spoli so i can understand the agony a bit.
yeah it was so unplayable i just gave up on reaching masters this time. also, theyre not giving us skin tickets anymore as f2p so i cant even buy the skins later 😢
@@BigDaddyRich69So you give super strong opinions on how good ban protect is but don't actually play the game at all let alone at a high level, big yikes my guy. Standard ban protect enjoyer.
@@BigDaddyRich69 lol man, I use Pirate Flan all the time in guild wars and arena. If you think it's not meta because ur RUclipsrs says so, that's your problem. It's great unit that counters many meta units, she shreds someone like Jenua and any team without immunity
Ngl this ban protection thing could be fixed easily, just let the low skill player (Placement up to Challenger) get the Ban Protect, while higher skill player (Champions up to Legend) don't have the ban protect BUT when both player picked their 3 pick unit, another ban phase would take place. If only SG was smart and make new things in Pre-season and let players test it.
You are not a shill Trishen you're the only person that always gives out good information on what the gamers want to hear from a different perspective.
I managed to pull Harsetti earlier today, but now I think I should just take my time going to Champ since SG doesn't feel like changing anything until 2027.
Just gotta add something here AssFlan surely is strong, no doubts, but reason why she overwhelms the pick rates is because she's (altho limited) an RGB unit, and i can completely assure you more people have Flan, than Moona or ML Illy
sad thing is OP broken units is what people want. the release of helion lua and bystander hwayoung is prime evidence of that. they are perfectly good units but people still want them buffed (with helion lua eventually got it).
yea players want new units to dominate the meta, and then will turn arnd and complain how money hungry SG is for releasing new meta units that can one-up the previous meta units. like guys, u are feeding into it.
I think people want them buffed cause they dont compare to the toxic 7, the problem is e7 have no balls and wont nerf a unit until theyve hit their shelf life. The problem is also they dont put out interesting units, Harsetti is just Leo from summoners war but on steroids. If they copied Leo 1 for 1 she would still be strong but not the problem child.
@@haviza121190 I want a concrete definitive answer to shut down Empyrean Ilynav, Hwa should have been that but they made her too weak. And since (braindead) no nerf policy an answer is needed.
13:30 slightly hot take, but this sounds more like a book problem, not a ban protection problem. They really should have bit the bullet and just limited its effects to one per team like so many other artifacts. Maybe even 2 per team. IDK how many matches people are bringing more than 2 book holders and it's not meant for some sort of degenerate strategy (usually one that spams multiple turns. Somethign they had to slightly nerf not too long ago). can't speak much on if ban protection is good or bad. The idea is great, but metas have a way to ruin great ideas through loopholes.
Soulburn in rta in general has been broken since day 1. It is insane it has stayed the same as it has on pve for rta considering its impact. The mechanic itself isnt balanced at all
For the love of all people get rid the ban protection in champion and above. You take all the skill out of the game. Please sg. Listen to your competitive players. You take the skill out of the game for us. Drafting without ban protection is a skill. I was away from the game for two whole years. My first season back was the last season before ban protection was in place. I finished rank 2037. I was missing 75% of the units that came out and all the farming I missed out in the 2 years. That’s was bc my units I had build were built well and my drafting was a lot better than other player. Ban protection at high lvl makes the game boring. Most of us at the high levels of rta have most of the roster. Even now including me. I am now missing a couple mls and colab units I will never get. Please make rta fun again. I tried to make emperor this season I just got bored playing then dumb same teams over and over again. Please stop dumbing down everything. You have some people that take this game seriously and you are driving them away. P.S until this is change is made I will not spend anymore.
It needs to be all or nothing really. Unless its get rid of it for masters and above you will have the streamers, teachers, coaches playing a different game then the Masters+ players they are trying to teach and make content for. IMO it should be a sub masters feature (like the way pre-bans shift)
To be fair, it's another quarter of a year, not a half; but i agree. I would have preferred they tested ban protection in other slots too. 2nd pick, first pick; ect
announcement: 1 month pre-season 4 month season 1 month preseason NOW they announce nothing is changing (6 months - half a year) And here we go again... Probably another half a year for them to say (yeah we hear you complaining but we need to be slow and cautious but we hear your feedback!)
No wonder As Flan was the most picked unit, she works well in any playstyle (from cleavers to tank players use her)... About the ban protection, I think is a matter of getting used to it but to "fix" it devs should increase the pre ban number at all ranks/stages, there are too many units to say "I'm a new player" as an excuse because at this point, the real issue for new players is the gear quality.
I'm pretty casual so please don't flame me too much but I actually didn't have that hard of a time getting to master. I keep hearing that people were struggling and gave up trying to get master but this was my first time ever attempting and I managed to get there with zero guides, help or research. I don't say this to brag but because I want to know what I'm missing. I like ban protect because it allows me to keep my counter to particularly difficult units. (Emp Ilynav, AS Flan, Bride Senya, etc.) If anybody would like to see my stats to give me more tailored explanation or would like to see the units I used you can go to match history and input "Global Server" and "TheLlewDude" and "TheDudeLlew". Both of my accounts made it to master and both have faced many meta units. I look forward to your responses!
The thing is that reaching masters isnt hard, but might be quite annoying for many, lets say you do 30 ish games, you should reach masters within those games normally, maybe even less, since players from bronze to early masters are usually casuals, but many high champ level players that never touched rta star climbing to masters with many op units with op gear and gets annoying for those casuals, feeling like there is 0 chance to climb, heck, if you can reach masters, you can get to champ ez, but you need to play quite a bit longer, like 70 ‐ 100 ish matches, its not hard perse, just annoying and time consuming
@@thellewdude I know right. I was confused why people giving up going to master when lower elo the problem isn't that bad. Taking account gear quality, it's actually quite fun
@@pabloalejandro06 it took me about 70 games to get to master and about 30 to get halfway into master and maintain my position for the rest of the season. I always banned Moona and Harsetti (before her it was Sea Poli) and had to find ways of handling the other pains. As a result I still don't know who to pick or what to do against Moona since I never properly faced her lol. The only really really annoying thing was maintaining rank every 3 days.
@@zaidan4729 Yeah, I'm always hearing how bad it is and then not facing it so I'm wondering when the splash cold water is gonna hit. I'm casual so the only reason I wanted master was the skin so that was enough motivation lol
@@thellewdudeto fight moona just protect light achates. Your 1st and 2nd pick is your core (dmg dealer) or 1st pick spoli+any dps. The key is don't start counterpicking their slot 1 and sometimes 2 but counterpicking their protect ban n slot 4&5. Some draft are easy to read if u focus on who their ban protect unit is
I’m even more curious how it’s gonna play out during the next world championship. I remember watching the last one and thought it was boring seeing the same 12 meta units/their counters, but with Harsetti in the mix? Course the people higher up in RTA have more knowledge on how to deal with her if she goes through and all, but still, I didn’t realize how much of a menace she was for even the better skilled players 🫢🧐 Hopefully they will come up with better answers/counters than just young senya before then 🙏🏼
its not that she is a menace, it just takes the skill out and the randomness to the max on a really random game. speed tuning is gone so turn order is jumbled even when everyone is at 80% is kind of crazy how they couldn't even fix that part.
Perhaps my opinion is in the minority, but I actually found last season very easy to play. With prebans almost completely focused on Harsetti (which I don't have), ML Luna (which I have but don't use that often in RTA) and ML Ilynav (which I also don't have), it means I can almost always get my desired drafts through. With Mort, matches are also a lot less RNG with BMH and Candy. Made it to masters with placement alone, and maintained a close to 90% winrate all the way up to high challenger, and ended at mid-champion with ~75% winrate. Always prebanning Harsetti and Elynav, and mostly playing either ML Ludwig cleave, Solitis-ATywin spam, and LRK tankdown.
Im with you on this one mate, i find it pretty easy. Im using the same draft style as u. I don't have moona or emp ilynav. But im enjoying spoli way more than i should 😂
its amazing how Summoners war violent procs gets meme but the game has been around for almost 10 yrs. E7 looks like its on its way out unless changes happen.
@@jeanlourenco7001 Just make sure your Shalltear is the fastest in that game, lest she suddenly disappears. if so, then yes, ASFlan will pop like a balloon.
me neither i didnt struggle with getting masters tbh cause luna gets banned anyways and i have anwsers for ilynav and senya but if ur on a fairly limited account good fking luck. for me personally mort has been significantly more annoying cause the only real answers to him are injury,immunity and higher hp units.
@Siegram999 your absolutely right mort buff was just a little toooo much he deserved a great buff buy stoping counter all together AND the stupid fear debuff is broken
There's no reason they couldn't at least try to implement SOMETHING. I'm jumping ship the second a better game comes out. I'm already struggling being a husbando collector and now there's no hope for rta getting better and that's the only thing keeping me playing the game.
@@BigDaddyRich69admit it ban protection is suck and bad,i still remember the old days when ban protection doesn't exist and game is healthy bcs u can ban the problem of 5 unit,not like these day u cant ban op heroes bcs they placed it in ban protection
New player here, joined the game during hellion lua, hated RTA cause the same units kept stomping me, did not enjoy, biggest nonsense on 'strategic use of a diverse range of heroes'. RTA boring bye
RTA is very interesting in the EWC format. After the first game you get an idea of your opponent’s playstyle and you get another pre ban phase, if the match goes to a third game you get ANOTHER pre ban phase, and these pre bans persist throughout all the games in the match so there’s a pretty healthy variety of units on that format
I know BBK isn't the biggest problem in the game, but I really, REALLY hate her and Flan. They need to hurry up and add real counters to the cancer in the game.
any unit with 53%+ win rate is part of the biggest problem with the game. Many games instantly emergency nerf anything with a 53% win rate. (and hers was 55% i think)
Game is operating as intended as far as SG is concerned. The message is clear, buy the new broken unit or enjoy being fodder. SG chasing profits over a quality game experience
Ban protection is nice for low elo. Sub champ players typically like it. Emp and above its stale and boring and makes the game not fun to play or watch. Problem is you cant have it split or the streamers who teach and instruct are playin a different game than those who are learning. As high end is how the game is advertised its better to eliminate it entirely than have the face of the game be terrible.
I personally liked the idea of having it around for challenger and below but removing it from champ - legend. Regardless it has nothing to do with individual personal feelings but with what the community wanted, what smilegate promised to do, and what they failed to deliver.
@@TristenWulf i agree with the idea of keeping it in lower ranks and removing it at high ones. they already change the system at master level going from 1 ban to 2 bans. I see where you are coming from since you are more ingrained in the community then i am, i just get a little tilted when i hear people saying "all legend players hate this" when you go to streams and hear different from them is all. I also fully think at this point everyone is so over SG's shit basically since epic dash pass that they need to do SOMETHING or i think more trucks are on the agenda
Personally, I dont care if they remove ban protection or not, just dont string us along for a whole season with the hopes of a big RTA change coming. They were changing the way battle frenzy worked for so many seasons. Remember Soulweavers getting bonus 14 speed? I cannot believe they were dead silent till 3 days before the next RTA season and gave us NOTHING after mentioning changes for the next RTA pre season. They were scared to post that junk. I think they just cheaped out and decided to not change the RTA season last second, had some Ai put some buzzwords in the post like "Diverse" and "Exciting" and made some excuse that they dont wanna move too fast. There was like 4-6 weeks there of absolutely nothing for a major holiday time. They have gone down a dark path, and it doesnt even seem like money is the want, the amount of holiday things they COULD have sold were seemingly skipped over.
Better limited than a ml5, far more accessible to the player base. Not that I’m a fan of I did run into the Elvira guy btw. I won but it was like 20 min
Yes. Harsetti - can be slow as all hell, will still take turn 1 strip all buffs and apply really annoying debuffs plus stuns depending on Bubble Maker or Crown. The only person who can go before her is Zio. Destroys turn order by bunching everyone else together most of the time. Yeah absolutely a mistake to make. In normal arena. Most defenses are Harsetti, Mort and Young Senya (the same hero made to counter her). So can't aoe, if you don't have Zio no turn 1, cannot counter and you'll most likely be stunned by Harsetti or Mort. If not it is Flan since you know evading is really good. Plus aoe that cannot be countered, guaranteed dual attacks with her Yeah Smile Gate you failed
SG can do a hotfix for this one... but it's probably going to be tagged as "controversial" and many people will be triggered since they pretty much intentionally made broken units for sales. All they have to do is to learn how to be "transparent" and consciously and regularly apply needed *nerfs* and *buffs*. Just like how other games do it; like DotA. But hey, it's SG. "We are gathering feedbacks....." and it stops right there. 🤣
Quit some months back, glad to see nothing has improved or changed, I can keep the game uninstalled. RTA isnt ran by a balance team, its ran by the banner planning team. Also they will not change anything anytime soon. Unless there is a big outrage and everyone follows suit, which I still see some RTA streamers defend the company and RTA, so there is no hope.
What you espect? They out money in there to be an imaginary top Legend (like they give reward like SW) this will stay forever because the streamer "Like all" and dont have ball to complain about that seriusly
Harsetti is the main reason I barely play anymore. I used to really enjoy playing more niche characters like Red Aremintha, and now I pretty much can't play like that. The meta is so lame rn.
Harsetti's just game-killing. Her kit is more than simple powercreep, it's plain awful game design, like if SG broke a core feature of the game. The game would be objectively better if she wasn't released at all, goes to show how terrible an addition she is.
The game right now feels horrible to play. It's been the exact same for the past 4 seasons, I've always enjoyed RTA but I have 0 desire to played the game at the moment. If this continues to be the same I might not play the game anymore.
I don't think Harsetti is that strong. She's annoying. She's unpredictable. She's toxic. And people want to have fun instead of having to deal with a toxic unit that can give you massive middle finger "Speed RNG" right from the start.
Dude epic7 died a long time ago. Ever since the implementation of the no nerf policy The game has been locked into a never-ending cycle of design catastrophes that only serve to make the previous catastrophies obsolete. There has never been anywhere for this game to go but down when the policy in place is to fuck up as much as humanly possible for some short term profit without ever making even 1 positive change in several years.
That elvira strat isn't hard to beat. 1.Any Ignore ER attack strip 2. Shaltear strips her with 1 S3 no matter her ER. I could go on. But yeah I know Shaltear is a Colab unit. Aso Veronica removes immortality.etc Ml Luna Poli
You're forgetting how Shalltear can be post ban and ignore ER strip need souls. By the time Elvira is ban protected, it's hard to adjust picks from 3-5. Also Shalltear can easily be run over by outspending her and a lot of mages can be faster than Shalltear.
She doesnt stop speed. She randomizes turn order. meaning whoever got lucky with turn order wins. You cant plan an offense or a defense. That's a skill equalizer.
@@TristenWulf In GW if I have to hit a dude with ML poli or luna or something else with 300 speed, then I know I probably wont get a turn unless I use Harsetti. You could say that she randomizes who goes after her, but turning their 300 speed units into 150 speed means they have 300 equipment score less while I can run a dedicated Harsetti team.
Liking or not liking ban protect isn't an opinion or preference btw! If you enjoy it or think it is remotely good or good for the game you are objectively incorrect and are a low skill low rank player, period.
I gotta disagree with the whole "Harsetti eliminates skill" comment. I do agree that she makes it a coin flip. But what she's eliminating isn't skill, she's eliminating the advantage leviathans and sweats have with their absolutely asinine cracked speed gear. Picking units that can be strategized around and have favorable/unfavorable matchups is skill. Good gear and the majority of characters in the game running speed sets isn't skill.
She doesnt stop speed. She randomizes turn order. meaning whoever geared their units better and got lucky with turn order wins. You cant plan an offense or a defense. That's a skill equalizer.
Now serius comment , did E7 balance team have a brain? Like bro , how they gonna balance a unit like harsetti IF SHE ENTIRE SET IS BASED AROUND HER PASSIVE?! Is not Leo (SW) is literally a BIG problem try to balance that unit , ML Luna too shes the ONLY character in the ENTIRE game without real counter , literally she counter all the unit in game but nobody can counter her unique buff like cmon man , what next? 200/400% counter damage when you miss or crit a unit? Or increase speed for x1000 if someone on you team have +200 speed?
lol 1. Say Flan is broken 2. Claim Flan only appeared in last few weeks of season 3. Get fact checked by successive graphs 4. Claim Ilynav came out and stole her thunder even though she was released a whole month before Flan 🤣🤣🤣 80% wanted it removed????? LMFAO the number got even higher than the last time you falsely claimed everyone wanted it gone. Dude quit making stuff up. lol armchair developer. Feedback =/= Do what I say or else your wrong. What a joke....
I really should have said 80% of the playerbase who responded to the survey. I can send yo the raw data if you can handle the feedback =/= what you want it to be.
I love ban protection. People going on about how it should be removed entirely are just entilted crybabies that only think of themselves. At least, it should stay on champ and below. It's a way for new players to lock in their most useful unit or being able to actually play the unit they like. Sure, the META in RTA is horrid rn, but that's because this game is a gacha game first and foremost before being anything else and if you actually think that SG is not gonna capitalize on power creep units to make money out of it, you need to grow the f up. SG can do whatever the hell they want. If they listen to the playerbase, that's cool and if not, move on. Don't get me wrong, I've always hated SG, but at least look at the bigger picture before demanding something like a man child. E7 is not an esports game, no matter how hard SG tries to sell it that way. They will always release OP units that break the META to drain the money of the ppl that treat this game as an esports game, plain and simple. Even if they remove ban protection, ppl will still cpmplain their asses of when the new ML Luna or Harsetti come.
then you het what you want. a stale meta that you and 20% of the playerbase will enjoy. I personally liked the idea of having it around for challenger and below but removing it from champ - legend. But i was in the minority on that angle too. Regardless it has nothing to do with individual personal feelings but with what the community wanted, what smilegate promised to do, and what they failed to deliver.
@@TristenWulfagree wulf,the old day when no ban protect in rta make rta healthy bcs u not focused to 3rd pick and the freedom to pick the unit bcs u not focused how to counter 3rd ban protect unit especially if they op just like harse spoli liynav etc..removed the ban protection and add preban to 3 unit is the solution for e7 to save from this stale meta
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The best part of coming back after a year of not playing but having all units, is that the few units im missing now are all the important ones.
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I already moved on to NIKKE, chilling there for a little, while SG sorts their shit because the game is very stale. And Thank you Tristan for being one of the voices of the community, even thou SG doesn’t seem to listen very well
In the same boat, felt super disappointed with the way E7 and SW have been handling things recently and how shockingly stale both games became because devs lack communication and any desire to improve and add actual content to their game.
I suddenly got the urge to play nikke after hearing all the hype behind 2nd anni, eva collab, and Cindy. Despite missing all these events, I still decided to start the game, which goes to show how bad of a state both those games are in.
ok the fact that illynav has a higher banrate that seapoli actually caught me off guard everyone else sounds about right.
Luna and Harsetti are just banned cause they are obnoxious units that just take the fun out its not even just a matter of them being strong.
Luna disables 50% of relevant units with a 100% with no REAL answers we have some units to deal with her especially now with ml hwa.
Harsetti literally makes the entire matches start speed rng so ur literally coinflipping matches unless u have zio who harsetti players ban anyways but hey atleast now we have a real answer for her in RTA not in arena though where people just run kid senya as well to counter your kid senya.
You are 100% right. I like to think of Luna as a cheat code unit. If she's fast enough and is on book, you press s3 and the rest of the team just have to kill. As easily as that. Disabling the whole enemy team passives at once is just like rape. As for Harsetti, aside from the speed rng, she turns every single fight into a loooong and monotonous nightmare. I chose Zio in the last headhunt event so I could breathe a little against her, and I'm skipping Byblis banner so I can pull Blooming Lidica for the same reason. And they've released Young Senya as an option to counter Harsetti more easily, but guess what? Arena defenses are crawling with Young Senya AND Harsetti. I feel sick to my stomach every time I have to do regular arena.
It's not possible, at this time, that smilegate don't understand that New Moon Luna and Harsetti were a big and retarded mistake.
Illynav caught you off guard?.
Cleanse with undispellable Def+er buff.
Tank.
Injury build in.
Constant CR push.
Reduce damage pen.
She is literally the best tank in the game. She has no real counter other than heavy debuffers with stun/sleep or ML Luna.
Ml Hwa isn't enough and she isn't even strong. Too much resources needed to kill one single LIGHT hero.
Also don't forget that she makes units that were meta before and many of us have build like LRK or MLsenya useless, and if they pick Illynav they now have free access to those strong units.
@@portaelrex This is the worst part imo, "teehee if you pick any pen units I know you're post banning Ilynav which makes your draft predictable, teehee I can still freely pick Jenua, BMH at full strength" such a ludicrous unit.
I agree with everything except your last sentence. In arena and gw you counter kid senya with spoli because you halve her fighting spirit. I have almost 100% winrate if I use spoli who you mix with your kid senya so you will probably kill everyone before enemy kid senya activates her passive. But not everybody has spoli so i can understand the agony a bit.
yeah it was so unplayable i just gave up on reaching masters this time. also, theyre not giving us skin tickets anymore as f2p so i cant even buy the skins later 😢
Same,no reason do to RTA just for the skin of a weak,outdated unit anyway
@@BigDaddyRich69So you give super strong opinions on how good ban protect is but don't actually play the game at all let alone at a high level, big yikes my guy. Standard ban protect enjoyer.
@@SIothapalooza same as you,I can give you tips tho,been legend before while you clearly havent
@@BigDaddyRich69 lol man, I use Pirate Flan all the time in guild wars and arena. If you think it's not meta because ur RUclipsrs says so, that's your problem. It's great unit that counters many meta units, she shreds someone like Jenua and any team without immunity
Why you gave up? Reaching master isn't that hard.
Ngl this ban protection thing could be fixed easily, just let the low skill player (Placement up to Challenger) get the Ban Protect, while higher skill player (Champions up to Legend) don't have the ban protect BUT when both player picked their 3 pick unit, another ban phase would take place.
If only SG was smart and make new things in Pre-season and let players test it.
agree
You are not a shill Trishen you're the only person that always gives out good information on what the gamers want to hear from a different perspective.
I managed to pull Harsetti earlier today, but now I think I should just take my time going to Champ since SG doesn't feel like changing anything until 2027.
Just gotta add something here
AssFlan surely is strong, no doubts, but reason why she overwhelms the pick rates is because she's (altho limited) an RGB unit, and i can completely assure you more people have Flan, than Moona or ML Illy
sad thing is OP broken units is what people want. the release of helion lua and bystander hwayoung is prime evidence of that. they are perfectly good units but people still want them buffed (with helion lua eventually got it).
yea players want new units to dominate the meta, and then will turn arnd and complain how money hungry SG is for releasing new meta units that can one-up the previous meta units. like guys, u are feeding into it.
I think people want them buffed cause they dont compare to the toxic 7, the problem is e7 have no balls and wont nerf a unit until theyve hit their shelf life. The problem is also they dont put out interesting units, Harsetti is just Leo from summoners war but on steroids. If they copied Leo 1 for 1 she would still be strong but not the problem child.
Why do we always blame the players? It was SG that started this mess of op units, like what do you expect was going to happen?
Players just want a new harsetti
@@haviza121190 I want a concrete definitive answer to shut down Empyrean Ilynav, Hwa should have been that but they made her too weak. And since (braindead) no nerf policy an answer is needed.
13:30 slightly hot take, but this sounds more like a book problem, not a ban protection problem. They really should have bit the bullet and just limited its effects to one per team like so many other artifacts. Maybe even 2 per team. IDK how many matches people are bringing more than 2 book holders and it's not meant for some sort of degenerate strategy (usually one that spams multiple turns. Somethign they had to slightly nerf not too long ago).
can't speak much on if ban protection is good or bad. The idea is great, but metas have a way to ruin great ideas through loopholes.
I agree.
Soulburn in rta in general has been broken since day 1. It is insane it has stayed the same as it has on pve for rta considering its impact. The mechanic itself isnt balanced at all
we have been saying that for years
For the love of all people get rid the ban protection in champion and above. You take all the skill out of the game. Please sg. Listen to your competitive players. You take the skill out of the game for us. Drafting without ban protection is a skill. I was away from the game for two whole years. My first season back was the last season before ban protection was in place. I finished rank 2037. I was missing 75% of the units that came out and all the farming I missed out in the 2 years. That’s was bc my units I had build were built well and my drafting was a lot better than other player. Ban protection at high lvl makes the game boring. Most of us at the high levels of rta have most of the roster. Even now including me. I am now missing a couple mls and colab units I will never get. Please make rta fun again. I tried to make emperor this season I just got bored playing then dumb same teams over and over again. Please stop dumbing down everything. You have some people that take this game seriously and you are driving them away.
P.S until this is change is made I will not spend anymore.
It needs to be all or nothing really. Unless its get rid of it for masters and above you will have the streamers, teachers, coaches playing a different game then the Masters+ players they are trying to teach and make content for.
IMO it should be a sub masters feature (like the way pre-bans shift)
To be fair, it's another quarter of a year, not a half; but i agree.
I would have preferred they tested ban protection in other slots too. 2nd pick, first pick; ect
announcement:
1 month pre-season
4 month season
1 month preseason
NOW they announce nothing is changing (6 months - half a year)
And here we go again...
Probably another half a year for them to say (yeah we hear you complaining but we need to be slow and cautious but we hear your feedback!)
@@TristenWulf Ah that's fair, I forgot preseason is that long.
No wonder As Flan was the most picked unit, she works well in any playstyle (from cleavers to tank players use her)... About the ban protection, I think is a matter of getting used to it but to "fix" it devs should increase the pre ban number at all ranks/stages, there are too many units to say "I'm a new player" as an excuse because at this point, the real issue for new players is the gear quality.
I'm pretty casual so please don't flame me too much but I actually didn't have that hard of a time getting to master. I keep hearing that people were struggling and gave up trying to get master but this was my first time ever attempting and I managed to get there with zero guides, help or research. I don't say this to brag but because I want to know what I'm missing. I like ban protect because it allows me to keep my counter to particularly difficult units. (Emp Ilynav, AS Flan, Bride Senya, etc.) If anybody would like to see my stats to give me more tailored explanation or would like to see the units I used you can go to match history and input "Global Server" and "TheLlewDude" and "TheDudeLlew". Both of my accounts made it to master and both have faced many meta units. I look forward to your responses!
The thing is that reaching masters isnt hard, but might be quite annoying for many, lets say you do 30 ish games, you should reach masters within those games normally, maybe even less, since players from bronze to early masters are usually casuals, but many high champ level players that never touched rta star climbing to masters with many op units with op gear and gets annoying for those casuals, feeling like there is 0 chance to climb, heck, if you can reach masters, you can get to champ ez, but you need to play quite a bit longer, like 70 ‐ 100 ish matches, its not hard perse, just annoying and time consuming
@@thellewdude I know right. I was confused why people giving up going to master when lower elo the problem isn't that bad. Taking account gear quality, it's actually quite fun
@@pabloalejandro06 it took me about 70 games to get to master and about 30 to get halfway into master and maintain my position for the rest of the season. I always banned Moona and Harsetti (before her it was Sea Poli) and had to find ways of handling the other pains. As a result I still don't know who to pick or what to do against Moona since I never properly faced her lol. The only really really annoying thing was maintaining rank every 3 days.
@@zaidan4729 Yeah, I'm always hearing how bad it is and then not facing it so I'm wondering when the splash cold water is gonna hit. I'm casual so the only reason I wanted master was the skin so that was enough motivation lol
@@thellewdudeto fight moona just protect light achates. Your 1st and 2nd pick is your core (dmg dealer) or 1st pick spoli+any dps. The key is don't start counterpicking their slot 1 and sometimes 2 but counterpicking their protect ban n slot 4&5. Some draft are easy to read if u focus on who their ban protect unit is
I’m even more curious how it’s gonna play out during the next world championship. I remember watching the last one and thought it was boring seeing the same 12 meta units/their counters, but with Harsetti in the mix? Course the people higher up in RTA have more knowledge on how to deal with her if she goes through and all, but still, I didn’t realize how much of a menace she was for even the better skilled players 🫢🧐
Hopefully they will come up with better answers/counters than just young senya before then 🙏🏼
its not that she is a menace, it just takes the skill out and the randomness to the max on a really random game. speed tuning is gone so turn order is jumbled even when everyone is at 80% is kind of crazy how they couldn't even fix that part.
Perhaps my opinion is in the minority, but I actually found last season very easy to play. With prebans almost completely focused on Harsetti (which I don't have), ML Luna (which I have but don't use that often in RTA) and ML Ilynav (which I also don't have), it means I can almost always get my desired drafts through. With Mort, matches are also a lot less RNG with BMH and Candy.
Made it to masters with placement alone, and maintained a close to 90% winrate all the way up to high challenger, and ended at mid-champion with ~75% winrate. Always prebanning Harsetti and Elynav, and mostly playing either ML Ludwig cleave, Solitis-ATywin spam, and LRK tankdown.
Im with you on this one mate, i find it pretty easy. Im using the same draft style as u. I don't have moona or emp ilynav. But im enjoying spoli way more than i should 😂
its amazing how Summoners war violent procs gets meme but the game has been around for almost 10 yrs. E7 looks like its on its way out unless changes happen.
as someone who plays against ASFlan frequently, I am SO glad I built Solitaria.
And I'm SO glad I pulled Shalltear.
@@jeanlourenco7001 Just make sure your Shalltear is the fastest in that game, lest she suddenly disappears. if so, then yes, ASFlan will pop like a balloon.
I don't have ML Luna, Ilynav or Senya :D (cries inside)
me too 😅 it's playable but it's sucks tbh
me neither i didnt struggle with getting masters tbh cause luna gets banned anyways and i have anwsers for ilynav and senya but if ur on a fairly limited account good fking luck.
for me personally mort has been significantly more annoying cause the only real answers to him are injury,immunity and higher hp units.
@Siegram999 your absolutely right
mort buff was just a little toooo much
he deserved a great buff buy stoping counter all together AND the stupid fear debuff is broken
@@Siegram999 What is the answer to Senya/Jenua combo, as I also don't have Jenua.
cry more duh
There's no reason they couldn't at least try to implement SOMETHING. I'm jumping ship the second a better game comes out. I'm already struggling being a husbando collector and now there's no hope for rta getting better and that's the only thing keeping me playing the game.
i think ban protection hero need to be hidden until both pick their prot hero or all 5 hero already picked.
You’re telling me I could get the ranked skin for free and all I have to do is build Elvira and take my books????
and be an asshole. yes.
@ don’t hate the player Mr. Wulf
I already quit and i will come back when the ban protection is removed or atleast removed after getting to challange
Ban protection is the best thing that ever happened to rta lol.
Sadly the ONLY WAY the remove that sht is if CHINA dislike otherwise will stay forever
Sounds like you couldnt adapt brother
@@BigDaddyRich69admit it ban protection is suck and bad,i still remember the old days when ban protection doesn't exist and game is healthy bcs u can ban the problem of 5 unit,not like these day u cant ban op heroes bcs they placed it in ban protection
New player here, joined the game during hellion lua, hated RTA cause the same units kept stomping me, did not enjoy, biggest nonsense on 'strategic use of a diverse range of heroes'. RTA boring bye
RTA is very interesting in the EWC format. After the first game you get an idea of your opponent’s playstyle and you get another pre ban phase, if the match goes to a third game you get ANOTHER pre ban phase, and these pre bans persist throughout all the games in the match so there’s a pretty healthy variety of units on that format
I know BBK isn't the biggest problem in the game, but I really, REALLY hate her and Flan. They need to hurry up and add real counters to the cancer in the game.
real spill
any unit with 53%+ win rate is part of the biggest problem with the game.
Many games instantly emergency nerf anything with a 53% win rate. (and hers was 55% i think)
Game is operating as intended as far as SG is concerned. The message is clear, buy the new broken unit or enjoy being fodder. SG chasing profits over a quality game experience
Nooooo! The censorship reached us here! I'm sadge i wasnt at the livestream now :
i hate ban protection so much it’s what makes the meta so stale
it is the best thing that happened to rta
Ban protection is nice for low elo. Sub champ players typically like it.
Emp and above its stale and boring and makes the game not fun to play or watch.
Problem is you cant have it split or the streamers who teach and instruct are playin a different game than those who are learning.
As high end is how the game is advertised its better to eliminate it entirely than have the face of the game be terrible.
elvemage literally said this morning he likes ban protection
Nothing wrong with that. So do i
I personally liked the idea of having it around for challenger and below but removing it from champ - legend.
Regardless it has nothing to do with individual personal feelings but with what the community wanted, what smilegate promised to do, and what they failed to deliver.
anyone with more than 3 brain cells does,its amazing and should have been added earlier
@@TristenWulf i agree with the idea of keeping it in lower ranks and removing it at high ones. they already change the system at master level going from 1 ban to 2 bans. I see where you are coming from since you are more ingrained in the community then i am, i just get a little tilted when i hear people saying "all legend players hate this" when you go to streams and hear different from them is all. I also fully think at this point everyone is so over SG's shit basically since epic dash pass that they need to do SOMETHING or i think more trucks are on the agenda
Personally, I dont care if they remove ban protection or not, just dont string us along for a whole season with the hopes of a big RTA change coming. They were changing the way battle frenzy worked for so many seasons. Remember Soulweavers getting bonus 14 speed?
I cannot believe they were dead silent till 3 days before the next RTA season and gave us NOTHING after mentioning changes for the next RTA pre season. They were scared to post that junk.
I think they just cheaped out and decided to not change the RTA season last second, had some Ai put some buzzwords in the post like "Diverse" and "Exciting" and made some excuse that they dont wanna move too fast. There was like 4-6 weeks there of absolutely nothing for a major holiday time. They have gone down a dark path, and it doesnt even seem like money is the want, the amount of holiday things they COULD have sold were seemingly skipped over.
Forward this comment up the chain. VERY well said.
time to send the vans i guess
Wow, SG is more transparent than my local election comission
Better limited than a ml5, far more accessible to the player base. Not that I’m a fan of
I did run into the Elvira guy btw. I won but it was like 20 min
for the 2 -3 weeks of the banner. RTA is a 12 week long event
i cleave most of my games and think that ban protection is simply dumb af and should be removed, makes the games no fun
Yes.
Harsetti - can be slow as all hell, will still take turn 1 strip all buffs and apply really annoying debuffs plus stuns depending on Bubble Maker or Crown. The only person who can go before her is Zio.
Destroys turn order by bunching everyone else together most of the time.
Yeah absolutely a mistake to make.
In normal arena. Most defenses are Harsetti, Mort and Young Senya (the same hero made to counter her). So can't aoe, if you don't have Zio no turn 1, cannot counter and you'll most likely be stunned by Harsetti or Mort.
If not it is Flan since you know evading is really good. Plus aoe that cannot be countered, guaranteed dual attacks with her
Yeah Smile Gate you failed
As someone in the bottom depths of RTA I'd let 500 speed Luna go through before Harsetti 🤷♂
tristen is cranky today
SG can do a hotfix for this one... but it's probably going to be tagged as "controversial" and many people will be triggered since they pretty much intentionally made broken units for sales.
All they have to do is to learn how to be "transparent" and consciously and regularly apply needed *nerfs* and *buffs*. Just like how other games do it; like DotA.
But hey, it's SG. "We are gathering feedbacks....."
and it stops right there. 🤣
They really should have more solutions against some of these too hyper meta units
Im sure solutions' will be sold to us soon. Then solutions to those solutions.
Quit some months back, glad to see nothing has improved or changed, I can keep the game uninstalled. RTA isnt ran by a balance team, its ran by the banner planning team. Also they will not change anything anytime soon. Unless there is a big outrage and everyone follows suit, which I still see some RTA streamers defend the company and RTA, so there is no hope.
What you espect? They out money in there to be an imaginary top Legend (like they give reward like SW) this will stay forever because the streamer "Like all" and dont have ball to complain about that seriusly
Harsetti is the main reason I barely play anymore. I used to really enjoy playing more niche characters like Red Aremintha, and now I pretty much can't play like that. The meta is so lame rn.
Harsetti's just game-killing. Her kit is more than simple powercreep, it's plain awful game design, like if SG broke a core feature of the game.
The game would be objectively better if she wasn't released at all, goes to show how terrible an addition she is.
agree
The game right now feels horrible to play. It's been the exact same for the past 4 seasons, I've always enjoyed RTA but I have 0 desire to played the game at the moment. If this continues to be the same I might not play the game anymore.
Yep its fun to have none of the :)
Glad I didnt play the last season, was quite busy, guessing its blessing in disguise lol
well dont worry cause they decided this season needed to be the exact same. yay
I at least hope those 2 'once in a lifetime' opportunities were worth for the devs ruining the game ;)
I don't think Harsetti is that strong.
She's annoying.
She's unpredictable.
She's toxic.
And people want to have fun instead of having to deal with a toxic unit that can give you massive middle finger "Speed RNG" right from the start.
70% ban rate disagrees with you
Its take 1 or 2 week's to me realize I really hate ML Ilynav.. Harsetti Luna and friend also broken, but ML Ilynav is disgusting
Dude epic7 died a long time ago. Ever since the implementation of the no nerf policy The game has been locked into a never-ending cycle of design catastrophes that only serve to make the previous catastrophies obsolete. There has never been anywhere for this game to go but down when the policy in place is to fuck up as much as humanly possible for some short term profit without ever making even 1 positive change in several years.
SG really just has dropped a universal. “If you own this unit you are untouchable.”
That elvira strat isn't hard to beat.
1.Any Ignore ER attack strip
2. Shaltear strips her with 1 S3 no matter her ER.
I could go on. But yeah I know Shaltear is a Colab unit. Aso Veronica removes immortality.etc Ml Luna Poli
You're forgetting how Shalltear can be post ban and ignore ER strip need souls. By the time Elvira is ban protected, it's hard to adjust picks from 3-5. Also Shalltear can easily be run over by outspending her and a lot of mages can be faster than Shalltear.
havent encountered an elvira at all but sounds like bbk could deal with it as well.
Harsetti is a godsend for us whom does not have a single unit faster than 260 speed. Speed meta sucks ass for us slowpokes.
She doesnt stop speed.
She randomizes turn order. meaning whoever got lucky with turn order wins.
You cant plan an offense or a defense.
That's a skill equalizer.
@@TristenWulf In GW if I have to hit a dude with ML poli or luna or something else with 300 speed, then I know I probably wont get a turn unless I use Harsetti. You could say that she randomizes who goes after her, but turning their 300 speed units into 150 speed means they have 300 equipment score less while I can run a dedicated Harsetti team.
Liking or not liking ban protect isn't an opinion or preference btw! If you enjoy it or think it is remotely good or good for the game you are objectively incorrect and are a low skill low rank player, period.
Based
waytoobased 😂
it is the best thing that happened to rta,stay in silver my friend and enjoy!
@@BigDaddyRich69 Obvious troll is obvious.
Ended 500- rank using only spp and bbk, and sometime belian. Get gud. 😛
Last chance to e7 grow up and improved is the 7 anny otherwise goodbye and go to real content gachas
I uninstalled it, this game looks pretty but it's so bad and has no content.
I gotta disagree with the whole "Harsetti eliminates skill" comment. I do agree that she makes it a coin flip. But what she's eliminating isn't skill, she's eliminating the advantage leviathans and sweats have with their absolutely asinine cracked speed gear. Picking units that can be strategized around and have favorable/unfavorable matchups is skill. Good gear and the majority of characters in the game running speed sets isn't skill.
She doesnt stop speed. She randomizes turn order. meaning whoever geared their units better and got lucky with turn order wins. You cant plan an offense or a defense. That's a skill equalizer.
@@TristenWulf 100% agree on you Tristen
Now serius comment , did E7 balance team have a brain? Like bro , how they gonna balance a unit like harsetti IF SHE ENTIRE SET IS BASED AROUND HER PASSIVE?! Is not Leo (SW) is literally a BIG problem try to balance that unit , ML Luna too shes the ONLY character in the ENTIRE game without real counter , literally she counter all the unit in game but nobody can counter her unique buff like cmon man , what next? 200/400% counter damage when you miss or crit a unit? Or increase speed for x1000 if someone on you team have +200 speed?
lol
1. Say Flan is broken
2. Claim Flan only appeared in last few weeks of season
3. Get fact checked by successive graphs
4. Claim Ilynav came out and stole her thunder even though she was released a whole month before Flan 🤣🤣🤣
80% wanted it removed????? LMFAO the number got even higher than the last time you falsely claimed everyone wanted it gone. Dude quit making stuff up. lol armchair developer.
Feedback =/= Do what I say or else your wrong. What a joke....
I really should have said 80% of the playerbase who responded to the survey.
I can send yo the raw data if you can handle the feedback =/= what you want it to be.
@@TristenWulf im using data off of your own video about it....
I love ban protection. People going on about how it should be removed entirely are just entilted crybabies that only think of themselves. At least, it should stay on champ and below. It's a way for new players to lock in their most useful unit or being able to actually play the unit they like.
Sure, the META in RTA is horrid rn, but that's because this game is a gacha game first and foremost before being anything else and if you actually think that SG is not gonna capitalize on power creep units to make money out of it, you need to grow the f up.
SG can do whatever the hell they want. If they listen to the playerbase, that's cool and if not, move on. Don't get me wrong, I've always hated SG, but at least look at the bigger picture before demanding something like a man child. E7 is not an esports game, no matter how hard SG tries to sell it that way.
They will always release OP units that break the META to drain the money of the ppl that treat this game as an esports game, plain and simple. Even if they remove ban protection, ppl will still cpmplain their asses of when the new ML Luna or Harsetti come.
then you het what you want. a stale meta that you and 20% of the playerbase will enjoy.
I personally liked the idea of having it around for challenger and below but removing it from champ - legend. But i was in the minority on that angle too.
Regardless it has nothing to do with individual personal feelings but with what the community wanted, what smilegate promised to do, and what they failed to deliver.
@@TristenWulfagree wulf,the old day when no ban protect in rta make rta healthy bcs u not focused to 3rd pick and the freedom to pick the unit bcs u not focused how to counter 3rd ban protect unit especially if they op just like harse spoli liynav etc..removed the ban protection and add preban to 3 unit is the solution for e7 to save from this stale meta
people complaining about it need to get gud