I think a lot of newer Star Wars is ruined by galaxy shattering stakes. anytime something happens that’s why I love this game and hopefully the sequel the stakes are just high enough to make you feel like what you are doing is important, but just low enough to where things stop making sense.
Fallen Order and Andor are the only things I've loved from the last few years of starwars, even outside of the last few years they're definitely my favourites
@@YounglingSlayer20059 I liked season one and two at first but after a while now I don’t like season 2. So many characters are just brought back its like a kid with his box of toys. I definitely preferred it as a standalone story and not just a way to sell baby yoda merch
Rebels and The Bad Batch were also good star wars shows. While not as good as The Clone Wars, but they do provide more lore of what happened between the events of respective trilogies.
Basically when people who love Star Wars get to make what they want, it works better than when Disney decides what it wants to see and gets someone to build to that idea.
Fantastic video, and if you don't mind, I also want to share my thoughts on Jedi: Fallen Order and Star Wars in general. When Disney first bought out Star Wars, one thing we can gleam from them is they tried to distance themselves from George Lucas as FAST as possible. The prequels - at the time - were deemed terrible movies with few redeeming qualities (to which I can write an entire essay in disagreement on, though I won't here for the sake of my mental health and not have everyone else read an even longer comment from a guy who is dumb as hell) and so this made some amount of sense. Disney parting with money and retaining a huge franchise in the process was a slam dunk. Not only does Disney have the budget to do whatever is necessary to make Star Wars a cash cow for them, but they have had talented writers, directors, and actors under their belts for years. Their first mistake was still trying to separate so far from anything George Lucas made, including The Clone Wars tv series. While starting off slow, TCW had gained a consistently large audience during seasons 3-5. While Disney allowed for the few remaining finished episodes of S6 to release on Netflix, they quickly turned the production team towards a new IP. Star Wars: Rebels. This turned into a mistake on top of a mistake (please hold, I have a point with this). The first season of Rebels does its absolute damned best to appeal to children. ANY death occurs offscreen, implied death was barely implied in some cases, and the Ghost crew basically refused any semblance of death whatsoever. Very clearly and very quickly, I believe Disney realized this wasn't working. S1 of Rebels had massive drops in viewer retention, despite having okay characters to start with. By diving headfirst into marketing to children, Disney seemed to refuse the idea that The Clone Wars had grown with its audience and now performed a soft-reset of its own audience by removing TCW from the broader world and focusing hard to market to kids. With Rebels' first season, Disney alienated the TCW audience, alienated the prequel trilogy audience, AND alienated the original trilogy audience all at once. This initial failure (which later turned successful, as Rebels did grow into a more interesting and better-written show in the later seasons) didn't really seem to make Disney think twice about future content. Almost immediately after the buyout, they willingly gave EA exclusive rights to Star Wars game development after just throwing away their entire gaming department. We went from a decade-and-a-half of decent and really awesome Star Wars titles (Battlefront II and Knights of the Old Republic to name the more famous ones at least, with the Revenge of the Sith tie-in game being surprisingly good) to a new decade with... 3 games. That's... it? Nothing else? And two of those games launched in states barely considered playable, with EA Battlefront II being a worse offender over the content-lacking EA Battlefront. Almost immediately, Disney made huge blunders with a franchise like Star Wars, their newest flagship, and it felt they weren't even batting an eye. 2015 rolls around and we finally see The Force Awakens, and its... okay. It definitely oversteps its bounds in terms of creativity in a universe that is already established, Rey was considerably too powerful already with no reason to be so. She learns of the force and then immediately uses a technique we only see a Jedi Knight/Jedi Master do (which was Mind Trick). Rey then proceeds to basically duel an experienced user of the dark side and just demolishes him. While later on, we do get the Force Dyad explanation, that response feels very cheap and out-of-the-blue. And while the prequel trilogy was definitely despised at first, that trilogy of movies took love and care from George Lucas. He thought about his universe that he created with the original trilogy, pulled it back and said "What happened before Luke and Vader fought? Before the Rebels?" While the trilogy definitely could've used some more input from outside sources to make more sense on their own, or maybe fluff up and smooth the dialogue a bit, the audience can tell that Lucas still cared for his universe. Whereas Disney basically hired two narcissists to create Star Wars movies, creating 3 moves with the only connection to the other two trilogies being a couple big named characters, and barely connecting its own movies together with new characters and a plot that goes in completely different directions with each film. We've clearly seen that Disney has no introspective nature. They refuse to admit wrongdoing of such a huge franchise, hiding behind BS excuses and explanations that - to the core audience - mean little to nothing. And in this entire tornado of shit, we get... Jedi: Fallen Order. It's own self-contained, small story. The theory behind this game's greenlight to be produced was likely due to EA bleeding money after the Battlefront II fiasco that literally caused governments to get involved and Disney to step in. So we finally got a single-player story, where we play as a Jedi who survived Order 66, with gameplay seemingly inspired by Dark Souls, The Force Unleashed, and other 3rd person action based titles with parry systems, the combat and gameplay of Fallen Order really took off as a favorite. I know a lot of people were mad that Jedi: Fallen Order was "Just another game where you play as a Jedi" but I think this was the right move. Being able to play as one of the most recognizable factions in all of fiction history allows for a wide audience to get together and play without having much difference in terms of experience. This was also the first Star Wars game where the main character was a Jedi since The Force Unleashed II, and to anyone who played that game, it was a good gameplay experience but the story was short and barely worked from its predecessor. With a combat system completely unique in the Star Wars universe, Jedi: Fallen Order does its best to stand out and look really good. Even on PS4, with how fast the game loads, it even graphically looks impressive.
(2/2) Most of your video talks about how the story is easily self-contained. It is a story in a universe that doesn't really seem to care about Cal's story. The larger players who do make an appearance treat Cal like another rat (namely: Darth Vader), even though we spent the whole entire game practicing and learning the gameplay and reaching the final duel with Trilla. We - as the players - feel immensely more powerful when we get to the end of the game, only to get our hopes dashed away by a man with an asthma problem and a helmet design mimicking a samurai when he can barely move his arms in swift motion. Vader is very much a power-player, and we - as Cal - are nothing. As you've said, this helps keep Cal's story rather contained, pushing him away from the main characters later on and just being a thorn in the Empire's side. Jedi: Fallen Order is probably one of the most unique Star Wars games and I would argue sits on a pedestal with the likes of Pandemic's Battlefront II, Knights of the Old Republic, and Republic Commando. The story doesn't even try to really grab a child's attention unlike the nonsensical movies and Rebels initially tried to do. Not saying a child can't play Fallen Order, but it is likely more appreciated by people who enjoy a decent story about a character who basically has Survivors Guilt and maybe some PTSD and other mental issues necessary to overcome by the end. I think what is happening right now is that Disney is trying to figure out why their movies are so divisive and taking steps to encourage many parts of the audience to return. The Mandalorian took a more serious turn as a Western at first. Disney finally greenlit the production of 3 arcs to finish the Clone Wars (which while I don't think was enough to really hammer home the show, was definitely good). Bad Batch is probably one of the better products they put out and while it has flaws, definitely feels the closest to Star Wars we've gotten since the mid 2000's in terms of shows/movies. What Disney has forgotten that Respawn was able to capture is that Star Wars is meant for families. There's action for the kids and a decently serious plot beneath that action that adults can strive to understand on levels fundamentally deeper than the surface that Star Wars provides. By starting off marketing so heavily to children in the beginning, they alienated so much of the audience. Then alienated more when they began to pander to politics, rather than having real life politics sit beneath the surface and not take such a huge chunk of story up (I say this because George Lucas' movies do have political inspirations and political messaging, but they aren't as pushing as "Oh well the Empire is cruel to animals so we have to defeat them" like TLJ did. There's a clear difference between a political inspiration/message and just blatantly telling your audience that you're a bunch of bitches who don't understand that something as simple as animal cruelty is bad, it's pandering and poor writing at best). The action in Fallen Order hits that feeling of child-like immaturity. You can't play the game without fucking with some of the stormtroopers. Grab one, hold him a while, then just toss him off a ledge. But the characters hit that rhythm just right of development, allowing for a more mature story to be told, without breaking the universe surrounding it. I can go on and on about how Disney has mishandled, damn near destroyed, and completely screwed up its money-printing machine. Star Wars has potential when the right hands are behind it. Dave Filoni isn't perfect but it is clear he - like Lucas - wants to create a universe and expand Star Wars so that everyone loves it. The old, the young, and the people who need an escape from their daily lives... Filoni isn't perfect, he's definitely got some plot holes in the works he's created, but Lucas did the same. We know now that JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson like to piss all over each others work, rather than create clean-cut and more precise stories. And while I personally would hope that the sequel trilogy is de-canonized and we get a new trilogy where Rey, Finn, and the cast actually get treated like real characters and people, I know that won't happen. Either way, I'm hoping Jedi: Survivor is as good as it looks. Rumor has it that Survivor has the exploration, customization, and design the Respawn team really wanted to go for during their first run with Fallen Order, with some upgrades from original ideas too. So maybe the file size will be worth it :) In conclusion... Why the fuck did you read my autistic ramblings so far into this comment? Tf is wrong with you? Do you enjoy self-harm? Go get an ice cream or something for reading this when it likely wasn't worth your time nor effort to read an essay of this length that barely resembles the conciseness an essay should have. Anyways... Enjoy your day!
If RUclipsrs could get standing ovations, you sir would definitely get one with this in depth analysis of Star Wars and JFO. Touching on everything as you did, really makes some of us wonder if video games as a creative media tends to produce more faithful renditions of stories. In other words, is traditional film media "too cheap" and why the SW Universe is in such disastrous condition in the hands of Dizziney.😄 . Food for thought, but man thanks again for the great work in this video Fizhy. ✌
As few and far between as these long-form reviews are, I always enjoy them when they crop up and this was no exception! I loved Fallen Order; it's one of the rare few new IPs I've bought on launch and it did not disappoint. I have similar apprehensions about Survivor being so much bigger than Fallen Order, but Respawn's given me no reason to doubt their ability to deliver, so I'm optimistic.
Thank you! I’m looking forward to jumping into Jedi Survivor as Jedi Fallen Order was just the right balance of character development and space wizard combat for me to appreciate it properly.
I played this game totally unknown to much about the game.. but I Loved it. Another game that reawakened my love for gaming again. Plus, the 2nd sister was terrifying and terrifyingly Hot to me at the same time. I have a Many of games to play and stream within this year: Elden Ring, Hogwarts Legacy, Jedi Survivor
There were roughly 10,000 Jedi at the time of Order 66, so even if it was 99% effective that would still leave about a hundred or so Jedi which is enough of a reason for the Inquistors to exist, but I do understand that there are really only so many stories they should make that focus on a survivor from the great jedi purge
I’m 33 years old and have been an absolute die hard for Star Wars for about 87.3% of my life. I showed up to the midnight premiere of Revenge of the Sith in my biker scout armor. Saw it later that day in my jedi robe. I had every single Star Wars game since about 1999. Unfortunately, I haven’t seen ANY Star Wars media since TLJ (which was such a joke). I haven’t seen any of the series on Disney, or anything. But I was pleasantly surprised with fallen order, and am really looking forward to Jedi Survivor.
I know I'm late, I love your points. Ironically, it's JFO's simplicity that makes is good. I think destroying the holocron was a thematically good choice. Giving up their dream of restoring the Order to potentially protect the kids. And as you put it, it kept a good consistent pace and stayed true to the already existing lore. Also, you mention that JFO doesn't act like the center of the galaxy, while stories like sequels or CW do get really intrusive with how much they twist and explain things that don't need revision. I am so grateful they remembered the jedi's true nature. I don't think I have to explain why not being all knowing doesn't imply corruption.
I plan to give it a retry at some point but I didn’t come out of my last attempt (stomached a good few episodes) feeling particularly satisfied with its direction. Maybe the last few episodes make it worthwhile but the first and middle episodes are equally important. It’s why it’s a throwaway point as it’s not a genuine criticism, just an anecdote for my thoughts to encompass it in my broader opinions on Star Wars of late.
@@Fizhy That's completely fair. The show is kind of structured in 3-4 episode blocks. I can see how someone could want to tune out right before they reach the conclusion of a particular arc because they find it hasn't reached its climax quickly enough. Sticking with it though, in my opinion, is completely worth it. When I first watched Andor, I stopped after Episode 4 because I wasn't that interested in any of the new characters or the heist mission. It was only after rewatching recently, each episode basically back-to-back, that I appreciated it much more. Treating it as one big film instead of several episodes is a vastly better way of watching it. Also, if you did stop about in the middle of the season, you were on the cusp of the best arc in the show! I hope you give it another try. The bar for Disney Star Wars has been set tremendously low, but Andor still blows anything Disney Star-Wars live action out of the water.
@@Mattatar I’ll get on it, I have free time as we speak, all I remember from the last episode I watched was a droid strangling Cassian in what looked like what was just Blackpool but sci fi.
Good.... Fizhy... Good... let the hate of Disney flow through you. Rey Palpatine is gonna have a good time in the new movies after using identity fruad to collect that sweet galactic Skywalker pension.
The thing about Disney's attempt at creating anything Star Wars related is that, they just throw everything at the wall to see if anything sticks, original or unoriginal. Which is why to me, the franchise has become too oversaturated, with these mini spin-offs and smaller episodic series. And based on the reviews, there are not too enticing of a series to get me to watch either. I agree on the fact that the Disney-lead trilogy really, really lack a consistency for the direction of the story. But for what it was worth, at least it was nice to see the visuals get amped up to great extend of modern-day cinematic-ness, that the original trilogy simply didn't have technological capabilities to do so. Hell, I was pretty much burned out after The Last Jedi that by the time The Rise of Skywalker released, so I didn't even went to the theater to watch it on release, and to this day I haven't got enough interest to actually sit down and watch it. It's just sit there, as a footnote in my mind that The Rise of Skywalker released and exists, but I'm not interested to watch it unless I'm forced to. And because of my prior experience with the mainline Disney films, there's even less incentive for me to get a Disney+ subscription just to watch those extra mini-series. As I am myself too hardly ever actually paid for subscription services, because I prefer to do thing with as little paying as possible, whether through a some streaming services without paying, or some would call the "pirated" way. People loved George Lucas' writing and direction because it's consistent, creative but still respected the world building elements. There are some inherit problem to the originals but it's mostly a fine ride; But when Disney do it, it's more of a ignorant child, (ignorant of the world building), trying to toy with stuff they don't know how to properly dealt with. Oversaturation, lack of consistency (of quality and plot), and the lack of know-how (to properly, and carefully build a story around a franchise) is the Disney way. Intentional or not, that's how I see it. Coming from E.A., I doubt the top-level executives expected the success of Fallen Order, in fact, they probably even tried to actively prevent it in the development. But it's a sure welcoming addition in the sea of oversaturated everythings that Disney produced over the years. Can't be more excited to see the ever-more-expanded continuation of the journey in Jedi Survivor.
Really enjoyed this video.💙 Fallen order is one of my most favorite games of the last decade and i think its time i give it another play. Gonna go for 100% completion this time.
Dude branching into different genres is one the best things that's ever happened to Star Wars. I can't believe you prefer it "family friendly".😂 It can be more than one Tone. It'd get boring otherwise. Malikos literally explains his endgame directly to Cal. Cal couldn't take on Vader because he was still extremely undertrained, not for that meta bullshit you mentioned. He just wasn't strong enough *yet.* That doesn't mean he won't one day be so. Some of your takes are so odd sometimes.
First and foremost, thank you for watching. Malicos explains his objective, not necessarily how he’d accomplish it, why and what for, nor does he mention how that would factor the galaxy therefore what he actually wants is unclear. I’m not arguing he hasn’t got a ways to go but Cal just simply won’t take on Vader in a meaningful way, that’s not his fight and the original trilogy is Vader’s story. If Cal does come up against Vader ever again it’s unlikely he’d defeat him as that would undermine Vader as a more significant character for Star Wars. As for the broader universe, branching out in genre isn’t the worst thing going, I personally find the lighthearted tone with more sincere themes works best for Star Wars but on the front of genre specifically it’d be better if the universe could at least make sense without having to flip between one type of show and another, the spin-offs would be so much more effective if they weren’t just 9 times out of 10 present to contextualise something it isn’t tonally consistent with. Hope that clears it up a bit.
You know, when it comes to a Star Wars, I think the biggest problem is has is the lack of anything unique or original. What I mean is that instead of them trying new concepts to add to Star Wars, they instead regurgitate the same stuff over and over again. It’s not like having familiarity is a bad thing but most of the stuff they’re producing are stuff we already know about (they weren’t even subtle with the Ahsoka show) while new and interesting stuff is given less attention such as Andor (which I loved) which suffered from a lack of marketing. That’s at least what I think
The concept of the inquisitor started in the original Clone Wars animated series with Dooku training Asajj Ventress. If you haven't already, check the series out. It's all good stuff and I consider most of it better than the other clone wars we end up getting after 2008.
I really enjoyed Fallen Order. Especially after the shite Disney is churning out. Cal's heroic journey, is the common the hero's journey story. I miss these stories, all about annoying girl bosses now. Ugh, no thanks.
@@Fizhy That is the issue with Disney, they hired morons for their writers. They had the EU to use, money on a plate, and didn't use it. It boggles my mind.
I'm not sure if you noticed this, but in case you haven't: "annoying girlbosses" make up the majority of boss battles in Fallen Order. In the story itself you fight the second sister a few times and the ninth sister once, as opposed to fighting the dark vision twice and Malicos once. If you look at the lightsaber bosses and not their fights you have two of each, excluding inquisitor Cal. Also just to clarify, I don't find the inquisitors in Fallen Order annoying, although the second sister can talk some real shit and the ninth sister's sadism really gets under Cal's skin
Im gonna say i like modern Star Wars both the sequel trillogy and all of the tie in media for me its just good fun and the fact that im someone who dont usually think too criticaly about what im watching and detatching myself from the dumpster fire that is the star wars fandom has helped enjoying it even better
The difference between the people who made fallen order and jedi survivor and the people who made disney wars is that one was made by people who love the franchise and the other was made by people who hate it. The destruction of star wars by disney was on purpose because those running Lucasfilm hate the franchise and George Lucas (ie Kathleen Kennedy).
It was a short term plan to capitalise on the Star Wars IP for Disney I think. They knew the franchise was too big for bad products to tank it so they don’t have that need for a caring touch.
for some reason I have absolutely 0 emotional connection to any post-1983 star wars property except for rogue one. i absolutely love that movie flawed as it is
Fizhy covers my two favorite and most plays games RDR2 and Jedi Fallen order I have 1200 hours logged in Rdr2 and I just started playing it last September and JFO which I have 600 hours logged and started it not last Christmas that just happened but the one before that one
You had me until you hated on Andor (I loved it and Rogue One) hehe but I agree with the other stuff. Loved Clone Wars especially and Rise Of Skywalker is a bloody ridiculous mess (which I found entertaining bc of how silly it is, partially thanks to Palpatine chewing the scenery so damn hard). As for Fallen Order itself, great game but I found the story to be kinda annoying but that is bc I hate the tying of morality to emotions and how binary that is. You made a lot of good points tho. Tired of every story having to be WORLD SHATTERING or "important". Just tell a story that fits into the established world. Galaxy is so big, a lot can happen without it having to have any impact (or risk ruining) other events. For video games in particular, it can nice just to exist in that world (hel look at both KOTORs. Not relevent to anything else and you just get to be in that galaxy for a while.) 155 GB?! 🤔🤔🤔🤔 I'm no techspert, but is that necessary?
Think Jedi Survivor is 155gb on PC but a much more reasonable file size on console, for all we know it could be an error. As for Andor, I’m only going off what I’ve seen of it which was the first 7 or 8 episodes, take it as anecdotal rather than a genuine critique as it’s just a throwaway impression of mine thus far.
@@Fizhy Nahh I get it. Andor is a unique thing and was made by someone who was indifferent to Star Wars. It's definitely something I could see some folk feeling "it isn't Star Wars" about (hel they don't mention Jedi or the Force even once) and it is overtly political. I just enjoyed that it actually felt like it was about something (and not some spectacle fan-service jerk off session). That something ofc being rebellion and why normal people actually disliked the empire. Weirdly I find game file sizes change when you actually start downloading. Like on PS5 it usually seems to be half what's listed. I don't get it.
@@HelFrostKara space requirements are larger than the actual file size to account for unpacking. So the file is probably smaller than 155GB installed but it seems it's quite large and perhaps maybe disorganised. After all, a PC release always is a little finnicky.
Any critique of anything Star Wars related that dismisses Andor and Rogue One - a great show and more respectively - like they were in this video must be taken with a truckload of salt.
I can understand the frustration relating to how many jedi survived order 66 - but there were around 10,000 Jedi pre-order 66. Order 66 had a 99% success rate. That left less than a *thousand* alive. We've probably had stories relating to ~25 survivors. I don't think that well will ever dry up, and i'm looking forward to more lol. Excellent video otherwise Fizhy
I am not disputing that many Jedi survived, but rather, only so many stories can be told where we're rooting for a Jedi during the reign of the Empire before it starts to become ridiculous that none of them barring Obi Wan & Yoda are present during the events of the original trilogy
@Fizhy very fair point. I feel it's OK as long as we don't get too hands on with the rebellion (working with Saw & his guerrilla fighters ✅️) that we need to introduce a massive macguffin like the World Between Worlds
I really enjoy your videos, this is also great, but I strongly disagree w the position that telling the story of more surviving Jedi after order 66 takes away from the event itself. There would have been a LOT of surviving Jedi
There were thousands of Jedi. Even with so many surviving that's still like 1% of the original population. Besides, that's nothing compared to the 200+ Jedi who survived in Legends
26:00 I'm pretty sure that there were around 10,000 Jedi during the Clone Wars (I think the number was stated near the start of it), so 100 - 200 isn't "too many" in my opinion... Also for a comparison, around 200 initially survived Order 66 - which is less than the number of Jedi that went to the arena on Geonosis as a comparison of size - and up until the Original Trilogy, one of Palpatine's focuses was sending Vader and other Imperial force users after any left over Jedi. Given the size of the Galaxy and the Empire: 200 beings are nothing, especially with how scattered the Jedi were and how most that survived until the Originals like Yoda were so hidden that they'd have little to no methods of knowing about wider galactic events (although there are awkward Legends survivors such as a load from places like the Galaxies MMO and others who were mentioned to be part of the Rebellion but didn't bother to train Luke for some reason).
More from a narrative perspective there can only be so many stories where the main protagonist is a survivor of Order 66. We can’t root for all of the survivors to make it very far.
It’s still such a shame that The Clone Wars TV show still has so many cancelled and unfinished episodes, if you’re ever interested I highly suggest looking into it as a lot of those arcs would’ve easily been some of the best in the whole show, namely the Crystal Crisis on Utapau arc, the Boba Fett vs Cad Bane arc, Son of Dathomir, and the two Dark Disciple arcs just to name a few. The show just doesn’t feel complete without those stories
It’s an episodic non linear approach to a time period, not characters so it works as well as it would have if all the episodes were finished but I do know what you mean
@@Fizhy There’s a lot of context and fates of certain characters that are otherwise missing from the show entirely if we only look at the completed episodes, though. How Maul escaped from Palpatine after the end of season 5 and rose back into power on Mandalore by the end of the show (Son of Dathomir), how Boba Fett overtook Cad Bane as the top-dog bounty hunter of the galaxy (Boba vs Cad Bane), what became of Ventress and her ultimate fate (Dark Disciple), and (this is just an educated guess since we don’t have that many specific details on this arc) Echos reaction to Fives’ death and how he learns to accept the Bad Batch as his new family despite him technically still being a reg and as such a bit of a black sheep of the group (Bad Batch on Kashyyyk), including various bits and pieces from other arcs such as Anakins growing anger and his resentment towards the Jedi especially after Ahsoka was expelled from the order (Crystal Crisis), all of these which would’ve paved the way towards the series finale and leading into Revenge of the Sith with a lot less loose ends than how the show is now
Replaying the game as I seen this. Fallen Order is one of my favorite games of the last few years for sure and right up there with Kotor and force unleashed for best star wars games. The story,characters and the gameplay are all great and for current star wars that is pretty surprising and im worried the sequel might fuck things up but thats not really based on much other than how things have been going with star wars. Star wars has been all ive really been holding onto tv/movie wise and it hasnt been easy. Really like all of Clone wars and Rebels but for the newer stuff id say I only really liked Tales of the Jedi which was great and then Mando 1 and 2. Season 3 has been quite a mess but im trying to enjoy what I can. All the other shows had an episode or some moments but over all I didnt really like them. Lets hope Survivor comes through as its also the only new game I really give a shit about.
ebign someone who finished jedi survivor and that only wa6tched the 2 first trailers of the game, i am stunned of how much they showed in other trailers. dafuq
Yeah nah, you can't really call yourself a Star Wars fan after that snide Andor comment at 3:37 . It is literally the best thing since the clone wars ending. Best that Star Wars is going to get for a while. It actually set a new standard for how Star Wars should be treated. Literally the best thing
I can see why, I think I like feeling involved in a neatly slow paced narrative more than the first 7 or 8 episodes of Andor made me feel. However, everybody's positive comments about Andor have prompted me to try to sit through the remaining 4 episodes.
@@Fizhy yeah andor does deserve the chance, i do however agree with most your other comments about the rest of star wars, although im kinder to the sequal trilogy i do see the flaws and the rise of skywalker was a complete dumpster fire. I also agree that the mandalorian is the most overrated star wars thing ever with the out of place cameos and shifting away from its space western format.
@@Fizhy true true, but I think some of Disney's shows are alright like The Mandalorian, I really loved season 1 but you don't have to agree with me. But Jedi Fallen Order is probably the best Star Wars lore we have gotten in a few years and it's sequel Jedi Survivor
@@YounglingSlayer20059 Jedi Survivor should hopefully follow in the footsteps of Fallen Order with its approach to world-building, provide some variation with regards to the fact it's a sequel and continue down the path of exploring characters. If it does that, job's a gooden!
@@Fizhy I know it will because they took everything bad about the first game and improved it. And everything good about the first game they kept it in and changed it up a little to make it a bit neater
Wow, I think this is the first time I actually had to stop a video of yours before it even really got to the point. I honestly hate how toxic this stuff makes people now. A lot of people love the Mandalorian, especially the first two seasons. And here you talk about it that way...feels like you kind of missed the point of the whole show. The Bad Batch this season was great, and Andor is truly superb. So was Rogue One. This is honestly the most bad takes I've ever seen you get out of all of the videos I've seen you do. Sorry that apparently Star Wars branching out into new areas is so apparently horrible for you. Hearing you SO toxic about those topics made me not even want to watch the rest of it.
Look, throwing around the word ‘toxic’ doesn’t actually mean anything. Counter my perspective, explain your positions by explaining why you think these things are good however you fancy, I’m here for that and I actually encourage it, but ‘toxic’ really is not a counter point to me giving my opinion, albeit bluntly.
A hefty video? Why yes.
Hyped to watch this one of my top 5 favourite game 😂😂
Love fallen order and hot take, I like cal more then luke! I hope survivor doesn’t mess it up lol
Does the goat reply?
Yes, quite
I skipped school to watch this
I think a lot of newer Star Wars is ruined by galaxy shattering stakes. anytime something happens that’s why I love this game and hopefully the sequel the stakes are just high enough to make you feel like what you are doing is important, but just low enough to where things stop making sense.
Fallen Order and Andor are the only things I've loved from the last few years of starwars, even outside of the last few years they're definitely my favourites
What about the Mandalorian?
@@YounglingSlayer20059 I liked season one and two at first but after a while now I don’t like season 2. So many characters are just brought back its like a kid with his box of toys. I definitely preferred it as a standalone story and not just a way to sell baby yoda merch
@@chineseobama6043 true, yeah they use only use Baby Yoda for money since he was very likeable in the show
Rogue one was pretty good in my opinion
Rebels and The Bad Batch were also good star wars shows. While not as good as The Clone Wars, but they do provide more lore of what happened between the events of respective trilogies.
Love these types of videos from you Fizhy, looking forward to experiencing Jedi: Survivor with you
I'm looking forward to it!
There is no way survivor fails because even if it is 1% better that fallen order it will still be amazing.
Exactly. Games gonna be amazing.
Agreed
Basically when people who love Star Wars get to make what they want, it works better than when Disney decides what it wants to see and gets someone to build to that idea.
Fantastic video, and if you don't mind, I also want to share my thoughts on Jedi: Fallen Order and Star Wars in general.
When Disney first bought out Star Wars, one thing we can gleam from them is they tried to distance themselves from George Lucas as FAST as possible. The prequels - at the time - were deemed terrible movies with few redeeming qualities (to which I can write an entire essay in disagreement on, though I won't here for the sake of my mental health and not have everyone else read an even longer comment from a guy who is dumb as hell) and so this made some amount of sense. Disney parting with money and retaining a huge franchise in the process was a slam dunk. Not only does Disney have the budget to do whatever is necessary to make Star Wars a cash cow for them, but they have had talented writers, directors, and actors under their belts for years. Their first mistake was still trying to separate so far from anything George Lucas made, including The Clone Wars tv series. While starting off slow, TCW had gained a consistently large audience during seasons 3-5. While Disney allowed for the few remaining finished episodes of S6 to release on Netflix, they quickly turned the production team towards a new IP. Star Wars: Rebels. This turned into a mistake on top of a mistake (please hold, I have a point with this).
The first season of Rebels does its absolute damned best to appeal to children. ANY death occurs offscreen, implied death was barely implied in some cases, and the Ghost crew basically refused any semblance of death whatsoever. Very clearly and very quickly, I believe Disney realized this wasn't working. S1 of Rebels had massive drops in viewer retention, despite having okay characters to start with. By diving headfirst into marketing to children, Disney seemed to refuse the idea that The Clone Wars had grown with its audience and now performed a soft-reset of its own audience by removing TCW from the broader world and focusing hard to market to kids. With Rebels' first season, Disney alienated the TCW audience, alienated the prequel trilogy audience, AND alienated the original trilogy audience all at once.
This initial failure (which later turned successful, as Rebels did grow into a more interesting and better-written show in the later seasons) didn't really seem to make Disney think twice about future content. Almost immediately after the buyout, they willingly gave EA exclusive rights to Star Wars game development after just throwing away their entire gaming department. We went from a decade-and-a-half of decent and really awesome Star Wars titles (Battlefront II and Knights of the Old Republic to name the more famous ones at least, with the Revenge of the Sith tie-in game being surprisingly good) to a new decade with... 3 games. That's... it? Nothing else? And two of those games launched in states barely considered playable, with EA Battlefront II being a worse offender over the content-lacking EA Battlefront. Almost immediately, Disney made huge blunders with a franchise like Star Wars, their newest flagship, and it felt they weren't even batting an eye.
2015 rolls around and we finally see The Force Awakens, and its... okay. It definitely oversteps its bounds in terms of creativity in a universe that is already established, Rey was considerably too powerful already with no reason to be so. She learns of the force and then immediately uses a technique we only see a Jedi Knight/Jedi Master do (which was Mind Trick). Rey then proceeds to basically duel an experienced user of the dark side and just demolishes him. While later on, we do get the Force Dyad explanation, that response feels very cheap and out-of-the-blue. And while the prequel trilogy was definitely despised at first, that trilogy of movies took love and care from George Lucas. He thought about his universe that he created with the original trilogy, pulled it back and said "What happened before Luke and Vader fought? Before the Rebels?" While the trilogy definitely could've used some more input from outside sources to make more sense on their own, or maybe fluff up and smooth the dialogue a bit, the audience can tell that Lucas still cared for his universe. Whereas Disney basically hired two narcissists to create Star Wars movies, creating 3 moves with the only connection to the other two trilogies being a couple big named characters, and barely connecting its own movies together with new characters and a plot that goes in completely different directions with each film.
We've clearly seen that Disney has no introspective nature. They refuse to admit wrongdoing of such a huge franchise, hiding behind BS excuses and explanations that - to the core audience - mean little to nothing.
And in this entire tornado of shit, we get... Jedi: Fallen Order. It's own self-contained, small story. The theory behind this game's greenlight to be produced was likely due to EA bleeding money after the Battlefront II fiasco that literally caused governments to get involved and Disney to step in. So we finally got a single-player story, where we play as a Jedi who survived Order 66, with gameplay seemingly inspired by Dark Souls, The Force Unleashed, and other 3rd person action based titles with parry systems, the combat and gameplay of Fallen Order really took off as a favorite. I know a lot of people were mad that Jedi: Fallen Order was "Just another game where you play as a Jedi" but I think this was the right move. Being able to play as one of the most recognizable factions in all of fiction history allows for a wide audience to get together and play without having much difference in terms of experience. This was also the first Star Wars game where the main character was a Jedi since The Force Unleashed II, and to anyone who played that game, it was a good gameplay experience but the story was short and barely worked from its predecessor. With a combat system completely unique in the Star Wars universe, Jedi: Fallen Order does its best to stand out and look really good. Even on PS4, with how fast the game loads, it even graphically looks impressive.
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Most of your video talks about how the story is easily self-contained. It is a story in a universe that doesn't really seem to care about Cal's story. The larger players who do make an appearance treat Cal like another rat (namely: Darth Vader), even though we spent the whole entire game practicing and learning the gameplay and reaching the final duel with Trilla. We - as the players - feel immensely more powerful when we get to the end of the game, only to get our hopes dashed away by a man with an asthma problem and a helmet design mimicking a samurai when he can barely move his arms in swift motion. Vader is very much a power-player, and we - as Cal - are nothing. As you've said, this helps keep Cal's story rather contained, pushing him away from the main characters later on and just being a thorn in the Empire's side.
Jedi: Fallen Order is probably one of the most unique Star Wars games and I would argue sits on a pedestal with the likes of Pandemic's Battlefront II, Knights of the Old Republic, and Republic Commando. The story doesn't even try to really grab a child's attention unlike the nonsensical movies and Rebels initially tried to do. Not saying a child can't play Fallen Order, but it is likely more appreciated by people who enjoy a decent story about a character who basically has Survivors Guilt and maybe some PTSD and other mental issues necessary to overcome by the end.
I think what is happening right now is that Disney is trying to figure out why their movies are so divisive and taking steps to encourage many parts of the audience to return. The Mandalorian took a more serious turn as a Western at first. Disney finally greenlit the production of 3 arcs to finish the Clone Wars (which while I don't think was enough to really hammer home the show, was definitely good). Bad Batch is probably one of the better products they put out and while it has flaws, definitely feels the closest to Star Wars we've gotten since the mid 2000's in terms of shows/movies.
What Disney has forgotten that Respawn was able to capture is that Star Wars is meant for families. There's action for the kids and a decently serious plot beneath that action that adults can strive to understand on levels fundamentally deeper than the surface that Star Wars provides. By starting off marketing so heavily to children in the beginning, they alienated so much of the audience. Then alienated more when they began to pander to politics, rather than having real life politics sit beneath the surface and not take such a huge chunk of story up (I say this because George Lucas' movies do have political inspirations and political messaging, but they aren't as pushing as "Oh well the Empire is cruel to animals so we have to defeat them" like TLJ did. There's a clear difference between a political inspiration/message and just blatantly telling your audience that you're a bunch of bitches who don't understand that something as simple as animal cruelty is bad, it's pandering and poor writing at best). The action in Fallen Order hits that feeling of child-like immaturity. You can't play the game without fucking with some of the stormtroopers. Grab one, hold him a while, then just toss him off a ledge. But the characters hit that rhythm just right of development, allowing for a more mature story to be told, without breaking the universe surrounding it.
I can go on and on about how Disney has mishandled, damn near destroyed, and completely screwed up its money-printing machine. Star Wars has potential when the right hands are behind it. Dave Filoni isn't perfect but it is clear he - like Lucas - wants to create a universe and expand Star Wars so that everyone loves it. The old, the young, and the people who need an escape from their daily lives... Filoni isn't perfect, he's definitely got some plot holes in the works he's created, but Lucas did the same. We know now that JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson like to piss all over each others work, rather than create clean-cut and more precise stories. And while I personally would hope that the sequel trilogy is de-canonized and we get a new trilogy where Rey, Finn, and the cast actually get treated like real characters and people, I know that won't happen.
Either way, I'm hoping Jedi: Survivor is as good as it looks. Rumor has it that Survivor has the exploration, customization, and design the Respawn team really wanted to go for during their first run with Fallen Order, with some upgrades from original ideas too. So maybe the file size will be worth it :)
In conclusion... Why the fuck did you read my autistic ramblings so far into this comment? Tf is wrong with you? Do you enjoy self-harm? Go get an ice cream or something for reading this when it likely wasn't worth your time nor effort to read an essay of this length that barely resembles the conciseness an essay should have. Anyways... Enjoy your day!
I ain’t reading allat
This entire video feels like a slander on the entire sequel trilogy. And I’m there for it, big up the Fizhy
If RUclipsrs could get standing ovations, you sir would definitely get one with this in depth analysis of Star Wars and JFO. Touching on everything as you did, really makes some of us wonder if video games as a creative media tends to produce more faithful renditions of stories. In other words, is traditional film media "too cheap" and why the SW Universe is in such disastrous condition in the hands of Dizziney.😄 . Food for thought, but man thanks again for the great work in this video Fizhy. ✌
Much appreciated!
As few and far between as these long-form reviews are, I always enjoy them when they crop up and this was no exception!
I loved Fallen Order; it's one of the rare few new IPs I've bought on launch and it did not disappoint.
I have similar apprehensions about Survivor being so much bigger than Fallen Order, but Respawn's given me no reason to doubt their ability to deliver, so I'm optimistic.
Fantastic video! Great way to take a nostalgia trip with Fallen Order, and build the hype for Jedi Survivor! Beyond excited!
Thank you! I’m looking forward to jumping into Jedi Survivor as Jedi Fallen Order was just the right balance of character development and space wizard combat for me to appreciate it properly.
@@Fizhy Agreed! 2019 was a little dry for games, at least in my opinion, and Jedi Fallen Order was such a nice surprise!
@@Fantastical996 I don’t recall 2019 being too good for games but Jedi Fallen Order was a lovely way to end the year
@@Fizhy Absolutely! Cheers man!
I played this game totally unknown to much about the game.. but I Loved it.
Another game that reawakened my love for gaming again.
Plus, the 2nd sister was terrifying and terrifyingly Hot to me at the same time.
I have a Many of games to play and stream within this year: Elden Ring, Hogwarts Legacy, Jedi Survivor
the game is a good time.
The song Cal plays on Cere's guitar is remixed and made orchestral in Jedi Survivor and it plays during the big Cere scene
I saw the Hu perform last year, and they threw in the introductory song they created for the game near the end of their set list.
Banger
There were roughly 10,000 Jedi at the time of Order 66, so even if it was 99% effective that would still leave about a hundred or so Jedi which is enough of a reason for the Inquistors to exist, but I do understand that there are really only so many stories they should make that focus on a survivor from the great jedi purge
That’s more what I meant, yeah. We can’t roof for them all to survive.
Skywanker...... definitely a typo..... sounds good....
Oh aye
Tirn put Jedi Survivor is amazong and did not disappoint :)
I’m 33 years old and have been an absolute die hard for Star Wars for about 87.3% of my life.
I showed up to the midnight premiere of Revenge of the Sith in my biker scout armor. Saw it later that day in my jedi robe.
I had every single Star Wars game since about 1999.
Unfortunately, I haven’t seen ANY Star Wars media since TLJ (which was such a joke). I haven’t seen any of the series on Disney, or anything.
But I was pleasantly surprised with fallen order, and am really looking forward to Jedi Survivor.
I envy your position a bit, wish curiosity didn't do me dirty.
I know I'm late, I love your points.
Ironically, it's JFO's simplicity that makes is good. I think destroying the holocron was a thematically good choice. Giving up their dream of restoring the Order to potentially protect the kids. And as you put it, it kept a good consistent pace and stayed true to the already existing lore. Also, you mention that JFO doesn't act like the center of the galaxy, while stories like sequels or CW do get really intrusive with how much they twist and explain things that don't need revision. I am so grateful they remembered the jedi's true nature. I don't think I have to explain why not being all knowing doesn't imply corruption.
I’m literally playing through this game now what a coincidence lol
oh aye
"Andor is about as interesting as watching paint dry"
It takes time to develop compelling characters and satisfying arcs. Shocking, I know.
I plan to give it a retry at some point but I didn’t come out of my last attempt (stomached a good few episodes) feeling particularly satisfied with its direction. Maybe the last few episodes make it worthwhile but the first and middle episodes are equally important. It’s why it’s a throwaway point as it’s not a genuine criticism, just an anecdote for my thoughts to encompass it in my broader opinions on Star Wars of late.
@@Fizhy That's completely fair. The show is kind of structured in 3-4 episode blocks. I can see how someone could want to tune out right before they reach the conclusion of a particular arc because they find it hasn't reached its climax quickly enough. Sticking with it though, in my opinion, is completely worth it. When I first watched Andor, I stopped after Episode 4 because I wasn't that interested in any of the new characters or the heist mission. It was only after rewatching recently, each episode basically back-to-back, that I appreciated it much more. Treating it as one big film instead of several episodes is a vastly better way of watching it.
Also, if you did stop about in the middle of the season, you were on the cusp of the best arc in the show! I hope you give it another try. The bar for Disney Star Wars has been set tremendously low, but Andor still blows anything Disney Star-Wars live action out of the water.
@@Mattatar I’ll get on it, I have free time as we speak, all I remember from the last episode I watched was a droid strangling Cassian in what looked like what was just Blackpool but sci fi.
Jolly good show old boy!
Good vid man! Wish it was getting more traction; you make a lot of good points in here
It’s only just been published, it may yet gain traction but we’ll see. I appreciate your support!
Good.... Fizhy... Good... let the hate of Disney flow through you.
Rey Palpatine is gonna have a good time in the new movies after using identity fruad to collect that sweet galactic Skywalker pension.
Can't help but chuckle when a random stray girder falls on Prauf. Gets me every time.
Poor Prauf
Your vids are always A tier, keep it up dude
Much appreciated.
The thing about Disney's attempt at creating anything Star Wars related is that, they just throw everything at the wall to see if anything sticks, original or unoriginal.
Which is why to me, the franchise has become too oversaturated, with these mini spin-offs and smaller episodic series. And based on the reviews, there are not too enticing of a series to get me to watch either.
I agree on the fact that the Disney-lead trilogy really, really lack a consistency for the direction of the story. But for what it was worth, at least it was nice to see the visuals get amped up to great extend of modern-day cinematic-ness, that the original trilogy simply didn't have technological capabilities to do so. Hell, I was pretty much burned out after The Last Jedi that by the time The Rise of Skywalker released, so I didn't even went to the theater to watch it on release, and to this day I haven't got enough interest to actually sit down and watch it.
It's just sit there, as a footnote in my mind that The Rise of Skywalker released and exists, but I'm not interested to watch it unless I'm forced to.
And because of my prior experience with the mainline Disney films, there's even less incentive for me to get a Disney+ subscription just to watch those extra mini-series. As I am myself too hardly ever actually paid for subscription services, because I prefer to do thing with as little paying as possible, whether through a some streaming services without paying, or some would call the "pirated" way.
People loved George Lucas' writing and direction because it's consistent, creative but still respected the world building elements. There are some inherit problem to the originals but it's mostly a fine ride; But when Disney do it, it's more of a ignorant child, (ignorant of the world building), trying to toy with stuff they don't know how to properly dealt with.
Oversaturation, lack of consistency (of quality and plot), and the lack of know-how (to properly, and carefully build a story around a franchise) is the Disney way. Intentional or not, that's how I see it.
Coming from E.A., I doubt the top-level executives expected the success of Fallen Order, in fact, they probably even tried to actively prevent it in the development. But it's a sure welcoming addition in the sea of oversaturated everythings that Disney produced over the years. Can't be more excited to see the ever-more-expanded continuation of the journey in Jedi Survivor.
Disney are morons. They had the entire EU to use! All they had to do was use these, and they would have succeeded. I honestly don't get it.
Really enjoyed this video.💙
Fallen order is one of my most favorite games of the last decade and i think its time i give it another play. Gonna go for 100% completion this time.
Go for it! Thanks for watching!
Definitely my most favorite SW games.
Welp, finally did it. 100% on fallen order.
@@thatemocat congrats !! All achievements ? 😊 🤔
@@jamariojackson4289 Gonna try and get the rest and right now i only have 3 more to go
The Mongolian throat singing is a band that I saw in concert, there pretty good.
I wish they would update Fallen order with the improvements of Survivor.
I also would love to see a KOTOR styled game with Survivor's gameplay.
Dude branching into different genres is one the best things that's ever happened to Star Wars. I can't believe you prefer it "family friendly".😂 It can be more than one Tone. It'd get boring otherwise.
Malikos literally explains his endgame directly to Cal.
Cal couldn't take on Vader because he was still extremely undertrained, not for that meta bullshit you mentioned. He just wasn't strong enough *yet.* That doesn't mean he won't one day be so.
Some of your takes are so odd sometimes.
First and foremost, thank you for watching. Malicos explains his objective, not necessarily how he’d accomplish it, why and what for, nor does he mention how that would factor the galaxy therefore what he actually wants is unclear. I’m not arguing he hasn’t got a ways to go but Cal just simply won’t take on Vader in a meaningful way, that’s not his fight and the original trilogy is Vader’s story. If Cal does come up against Vader ever again it’s unlikely he’d defeat him as that would undermine Vader as a more significant character for Star Wars. As for the broader universe, branching out in genre isn’t the worst thing going, I personally find the lighthearted tone with more sincere themes works best for Star Wars but on the front of genre specifically it’d be better if the universe could at least make sense without having to flip between one type of show and another, the spin-offs would be so much more effective if they weren’t just 9 times out of 10 present to contextualise something it isn’t tonally consistent with.
Hope that clears it up a bit.
I really enjoy Fizhys video essays and I can’t wait for more.
I hope one day he makes an Arkham video essay
I'd love to go back and do some Arkham game videos sometime.
@@Fizhy and I can’t wait for that content !!
You know, when it comes to a Star Wars, I think the biggest problem is has is the lack of anything unique or original. What I mean is that instead of them trying new concepts to add to Star Wars, they instead regurgitate the same stuff over and over again. It’s not like having familiarity is a bad thing but most of the stuff they’re producing are stuff we already know about (they weren’t even subtle with the Ahsoka show) while new and interesting stuff is given less attention such as Andor (which I loved) which suffered from a lack of marketing. That’s at least what I think
Andor, The Mandalorian, The Bad Batch, Rogue One and Solo all seem pretty unique and original, at least to me
@@shadow-squid4872 I loved Rogue One, and yeah there’s nothing else like it in SW unless you count Andor (but I mean Andor is basically Rogue One 0).
It's so intense 😮
Intense for the mind
The concept of the inquisitor started in the original Clone Wars animated series with Dooku training Asajj Ventress. If you haven't already, check the series out. It's all good stuff and I consider most of it better than the other clone wars we end up getting after 2008.
I really enjoyed Fallen Order. Especially after the shite Disney is churning out. Cal's heroic journey, is the common the hero's journey story. I miss these stories, all about annoying girl bosses now. Ugh, no thanks.
There’s room for both kinds of stories I feel, but if they’re poorly written that’s that
@@Fizhy That is the issue with Disney, they hired morons for their writers. They had the EU to use, money on a plate, and didn't use it. It boggles my mind.
I'm not sure if you noticed this, but in case you haven't: "annoying girlbosses" make up the majority of boss battles in Fallen Order.
In the story itself you fight the second sister a few times and the ninth sister once, as opposed to fighting the dark vision twice and Malicos once. If you look at the lightsaber bosses and not their fights you have two of each, excluding inquisitor Cal.
Also just to clarify, I don't find the inquisitors in Fallen Order annoying, although the second sister can talk some real shit and the ninth sister's sadism really gets under Cal's skin
Andor does start out slow but it's definitely the best Star Wars property in the Disney era and I would argue better than the prequels as well.
Im gonna say i like modern Star Wars both the sequel trillogy and all of the tie in media for me its just good fun and the fact that im someone who dont usually think too criticaly about what im watching and detatching myself from the dumpster fire that is the star wars fandom has helped enjoying it even better
Understandable position
A non Red Dead video weird? I really enjoyed this game. Will you make Jedi Survivor videos when it comes out?
The difference between the people who made fallen order and jedi survivor and the people who made disney wars is that one was made by people who love the franchise and the other was made by people who hate it. The destruction of star wars by disney was on purpose because those running Lucasfilm hate the franchise and George Lucas (ie Kathleen Kennedy).
It was a short term plan to capitalise on the Star Wars IP for Disney I think. They knew the franchise was too big for bad products to tank it so they don’t have that need for a caring touch.
for some reason I have absolutely 0 emotional connection to any post-1983 star wars property except for rogue one. i absolutely love that movie flawed as it is
Fizhy covers my two favorite and most plays games RDR2 and Jedi Fallen order I have 1200 hours logged in Rdr2 and I just started playing it last September and JFO which I have 600 hours logged and started it not last Christmas that just happened but the one before that one
You had me until you hated on Andor (I loved it and Rogue One) hehe but I agree with the other stuff. Loved Clone Wars especially and Rise Of Skywalker is a bloody ridiculous mess (which I found entertaining bc of how silly it is, partially thanks to Palpatine chewing the scenery so damn hard).
As for Fallen Order itself, great game but I found the story to be kinda annoying but that is bc I hate the tying of morality to emotions and how binary that is. You made a lot of good points tho. Tired of every story having to be WORLD SHATTERING or "important". Just tell a story that fits into the established world. Galaxy is so big, a lot can happen without it having to have any impact (or risk ruining) other events. For video games in particular, it can nice just to exist in that world (hel look at both KOTORs. Not relevent to anything else and you just get to be in that galaxy for a while.)
155 GB?! 🤔🤔🤔🤔 I'm no techspert, but is that necessary?
Think Jedi Survivor is 155gb on PC but a much more reasonable file size on console, for all we know it could be an error. As for Andor, I’m only going off what I’ve seen of it which was the first 7 or 8 episodes, take it as anecdotal rather than a genuine critique as it’s just a throwaway impression of mine thus far.
@@Fizhy Nahh I get it. Andor is a unique thing and was made by someone who was indifferent to Star Wars. It's definitely something I could see some folk feeling "it isn't Star Wars" about (hel they don't mention Jedi or the Force even once) and it is overtly political.
I just enjoyed that it actually felt like it was about something (and not some spectacle fan-service jerk off session). That something ofc being rebellion and why normal people actually disliked the empire.
Weirdly I find game file sizes change when you actually start downloading. Like on PS5 it usually seems to be half what's listed. I don't get it.
@@HelFrostKara space requirements are larger than the actual file size to account for unpacking. So the file is probably smaller than 155GB installed but it seems it's quite large and perhaps maybe disorganised. After all, a PC release always is a little finnicky.
Any critique of anything Star Wars related that dismisses Andor and Rogue One - a great show and more respectively - like they were in this video must be taken with a truckload of salt.
I can understand the frustration relating to how many jedi survived order 66 - but there were around 10,000 Jedi pre-order 66. Order 66 had a 99% success rate. That left less than a *thousand* alive. We've probably had stories relating to ~25 survivors. I don't think that well will ever dry up, and i'm looking forward to more lol.
Excellent video otherwise Fizhy
I am not disputing that many Jedi survived, but rather, only so many stories can be told where we're rooting for a Jedi during the reign of the Empire before it starts to become ridiculous that none of them barring Obi Wan & Yoda are present during the events of the original trilogy
@Fizhy very fair point. I feel it's OK as long as we don't get too hands on with the rebellion (working with Saw & his guerrilla fighters ✅️) that we need to introduce a massive macguffin like the World Between Worlds
Quality video
Great vid, Fizh!
I really enjoy your videos, this is also great, but I strongly disagree w the position that telling the story of more surviving Jedi after order 66 takes away from the event itself. There would have been a LOT of surviving Jedi
There were thousands of Jedi. Even with so many surviving that's still like 1% of the original population. Besides, that's nothing compared to the 200+ Jedi who survived in Legends
Love the Phelps doubt meme
Had to be done
26:00 I'm pretty sure that there were around 10,000 Jedi during the Clone Wars (I think the number was stated near the start of it), so 100 - 200 isn't "too many" in my opinion...
Also for a comparison, around 200 initially survived Order 66 - which is less than the number of Jedi that went to the arena on Geonosis as a comparison of size - and up until the Original Trilogy, one of Palpatine's focuses was sending Vader and other Imperial force users after any left over Jedi. Given the size of the Galaxy and the Empire: 200 beings are nothing, especially with how scattered the Jedi were and how most that survived until the Originals like Yoda were so hidden that they'd have little to no methods of knowing about wider galactic events (although there are awkward Legends survivors such as a load from places like the Galaxies MMO and others who were mentioned to be part of the Rebellion but didn't bother to train Luke for some reason).
More from a narrative perspective there can only be so many stories where the main protagonist is a survivor of Order 66. We can’t root for all of the survivors to make it very far.
Haha I discovered you through playing rdr2 this year and now I'm playing this😅 suppose I'd better subscribe 👍🏻
Welcome aboard!
Star wars rise of skywalker should have been called star wars rise of identity fraud
Feel that
Deleted fallen order after I couldn’t get passed the rolling ball puzzle in the tomb.
Not a fan of rolling balls?
It’s still such a shame that The Clone Wars TV show still has so many cancelled and unfinished episodes, if you’re ever interested I highly suggest looking into it as a lot of those arcs would’ve easily been some of the best in the whole show, namely the Crystal Crisis on Utapau arc, the Boba Fett vs Cad Bane arc, Son of Dathomir, and the two Dark Disciple arcs just to name a few. The show just doesn’t feel complete without those stories
It’s an episodic non linear approach to a time period, not characters so it works as well as it would have if all the episodes were finished but I do know what you mean
@@Fizhy There’s a lot of context and fates of certain characters that are otherwise missing from the show entirely if we only look at the completed episodes, though. How Maul escaped from Palpatine after the end of season 5 and rose back into power on Mandalore by the end of the show (Son of Dathomir), how Boba Fett overtook Cad Bane as the top-dog bounty hunter of the galaxy (Boba vs Cad Bane), what became of Ventress and her ultimate fate (Dark Disciple), and (this is just an educated guess since we don’t have that many specific details on this arc) Echos reaction to Fives’ death and how he learns to accept the Bad Batch as his new family despite him technically still being a reg and as such a bit of a black sheep of the group (Bad Batch on Kashyyyk), including various bits and pieces from other arcs such as Anakins growing anger and his resentment towards the Jedi especially after Ahsoka was expelled from the order (Crystal Crisis), all of these which would’ve paved the way towards the series finale and leading into Revenge of the Sith with a lot less loose ends than how the show is now
@@shadow-squid4872 there is definitely that.
Disney is the Empire.
Although Bad Batch and Andor are both a good watch.
Hope you go in depth in jedi survivor just like red dead redemption 2
I’ll try but the world depth has to be there for it to work, I’ll see what I can come up with though
Replaying the game as I seen this. Fallen Order is one of my favorite games of the last few years for sure and right up there with Kotor and force unleashed for best star wars games. The story,characters and the gameplay are all great and for current star wars that is pretty surprising and im worried the sequel might fuck things up but thats not really based on much other than how things have been going with star wars.
Star wars has been all ive really been holding onto tv/movie wise and it hasnt been easy. Really like all of Clone wars and Rebels but for the newer stuff id say I only really liked Tales of the Jedi which was great and then Mando 1 and 2. Season 3 has been quite a mess but im trying to enjoy what I can. All the other shows had an episode or some moments but over all I didnt really like them.
Lets hope Survivor comes through as its also the only new game I really give a shit about.
Tales of the Jedi… I knew I forgot something!
ebign someone who finished jedi survivor and that only wa6tched the 2 first trailers of the game, i am stunned of how much they showed in other trailers. dafuq
Outstanding analysis
Cheers!
Think about how popular the sequels could of been if they where just they're own universe and wasn't connected to starwars
I don't know, were it not Star Wars it'd be something entirely different.
5:09 to be fair you should be praising respawn not EA. Respawn Is mostly left alone by EA
For sure it’s Respawn’s doing above all, but EA letting it happen is the surprising part.
Wait... bad batch and andor are mad good
Unlike you, I have enjoyed all of the star wars films and shows with the exception of Episode 6.
bro did not say watching Andor is like watching paint dry
Cal kestis is a badass 🔥
He has his moments for sure
3 min in and this is fucking awesome!
I really enjoyed jedi fallen order
A true class game
27:31 this movie poster leaves me being a single full-body cringe...
Bruh, andor got done dirty in this video
Just my opinion, doesn’t mean others aren’t entitled to enjoy what they enjoy
Love this vid
Thank you!
I agree with you except Rogue one and Andor are masterpieces
Fair enough
@@Fizhy great video btw!
@@fledits much appreciated!
I'm intensely disappointed with this video. How could you go on for 56 minutes WITHOUT making a single Greez Nuts joke? Unacceptable.
Greez nuts are just for you
Yeah nah, you can't really call yourself a Star Wars fan after that snide Andor comment at 3:37 . It is literally the best thing since the clone wars ending. Best that Star Wars is going to get for a while. It actually set a new standard for how Star Wars should be treated. Literally the best thing
Andor does slap to be fair
I can see why, I think I like feeling involved in a neatly slow paced narrative more than the first 7 or 8 episodes of Andor made me feel. However, everybody's positive comments about Andor have prompted me to try to sit through the remaining 4 episodes.
@@Fizhy yeah andor does deserve the chance, i do however agree with most your other comments about the rest of star wars, although im kinder to the sequal trilogy i do see the flaws and the rise of skywalker was a complete dumpster fire. I also agree that the mandalorian is the most overrated star wars thing ever with the out of place cameos and shifting away from its space western format.
I feel like The Mandalorian, Andor, Obi-wan, and Book of Boba Fett were pretty alright shows. But nothing will beat Prequels and OG trilogy
I mean the prequels are good for world building but delivery is a different story, however compared to a lot of the new stuff I’d take them any day
@@Fizhy true true, but I think some of Disney's shows are alright like The Mandalorian, I really loved season 1 but you don't have to agree with me. But Jedi Fallen Order is probably the best Star Wars lore we have gotten in a few years and it's sequel Jedi Survivor
@@YounglingSlayer20059 Jedi Survivor should hopefully follow in the footsteps of Fallen Order with its approach to world-building, provide some variation with regards to the fact it's a sequel and continue down the path of exploring characters. If it does that, job's a gooden!
@@Fizhy I know it will because they took everything bad about the first game and improved it. And everything good about the first game they kept it in and changed it up a little to make it a bit neater
Wow, I think this is the first time I actually had to stop a video of yours before it even really got to the point.
I honestly hate how toxic this stuff makes people now. A lot of people love the Mandalorian, especially the first two seasons. And here you talk about it that way...feels like you kind of missed the point of the whole show. The Bad Batch this season was great, and Andor is truly superb. So was Rogue One.
This is honestly the most bad takes I've ever seen you get out of all of the videos I've seen you do.
Sorry that apparently Star Wars branching out into new areas is so apparently horrible for you. Hearing you SO toxic about those topics made me not even want to watch the rest of it.
Look, throwing around the word ‘toxic’ doesn’t actually mean anything. Counter my perspective, explain your positions by explaining why you think these things are good however you fancy, I’m here for that and I actually encourage it, but ‘toxic’ really is not a counter point to me giving my opinion, albeit bluntly.
Fallen order sucks bro