America's Forgotten Socialist History!? | Americans React | Loners
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The United States is today one of two countries in the world, along with Somalia, that has still not accepted the International Convention on the Rights of the Child. Nor have they joined the International Criminal Court, the Convention on the Law of the Sea, the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women or the Treaty Banning Anti-Personnel Mines. The International Labor Organization is still awaiting their signature at the bottom of 70 conventions, including a text on forced labor dating from 1930.
Giving rights in the US is a government failure, having less rights is a government policy, R or D,
I've lived in the USA for 4 years, and by the time we got our Green card, we knew we didn't wan to stay and let our children grow up there...we went back to Europe! This was in 1989 and we haven't regretted it ever since.
The odd thing is that in many of those cases the US was on the forefront of the negotiations to establish such treaties, but then turned around and either didn't sign it or didn't ratify it. They were for example proponents of the International Criminal Court, and signed the statute that established it. Then they said they wanted to observe the court before ratifying it. Then before the court had done anything at all they informed the UN they would not ratify it. And then they adopted the so-called Hague Invasion Act, meaning they would forcibly free any American that might be held by the court. They really are a big fan of international law so long as it does not apply to them.
I've lived in the USA for 4 years, and by the time we got our Green card, we knew we didn't wan to stay and let our children grow up there...we went back to Europe! This was in 1989 and we haven't regretted it ever since
Great video 👍 American's only know the words like socialism , Marxism, communism but has not a clue as to what each one stands for 😅
if they have a clue capitalism would already be dead ^^
The Nordic countries are partly social democratic countries, where the workers' unions are strong and equal when discussing the position of workers and their rights with companies. Of course, something could always be better, but the multi-party system and strong traditions of debate and the culture of agreement have created positive things in people's everyday lives.
You'd be very wrong about that, you have no clue about how it is to live with socialism, even the milder forms we have here in the Nordic countries.
@@E33Tpro I live in Finland, so I think I understand something about things in these corners. I can't really say anything to you other than to urge you to move to where life is better?
@@unclemick577 I'm actually born in Finland but have lived in Sweden all my life, I have taught many times of moving but I can't afford it unfortunately.
@@E33Tpro But where would you have moved to?
@@n_other_1604 Either Finland where most of my extended family lives or if it was before I got ill, the US.
Denmark is a super capitalistisk country with social democracy. Why it works here.
Its the nordic model.
You see it in all the nations up here in the north, we have the best system of goverment in the world 🙂
By the way Bernie fancies the nordic model.
I find this a pretty good explanation/tuition to understand those words that are generally very misunderstood/misinterpretated (on YT): "Communism vs. Socialism: What's The Difference?" - NowThis Originals
Most European countries nowadays are social democraties, which means freedom of enterprise (within reasonable regulations) whilst no one is left on the side of the road thanks to Gvt aids of various kinds. That also means higher taxes, but people do get a return on those taxes.
"reasonable regulations" That's the issue. America doesn't see looking after other people, their own people, as reasonable.
If you get the chance , watch ‘The Century of the Self’ (admittedly, it’s quite long) which documents how American politics and big corporations have used psychoanalysis to influence the ‘masses’ - interesting stuff imo!
Agreed, or other Adam Curtis documentaries for that matter, big eye-openers all of them.
I suspect that in the cold hearted calculus of profit optimization American citizens look a lot like a natural resource to be managed. Or maybe farmed, that maybe conveys the notion of resource extraction a bit better.
The term "redneck" in the early 20th century was occasionally used about American coal miner union members who wore red bandanas for solidarity. The sense of "a union man" dates to the 1910s and was especially popular during the 1920s and 1930s in the coal-producing regions of West Virginia, Kentucky, and Pennsylvania. It was also used by union strikers to describe poor white strikebreakers.
We had a similar event to your Haymarket massacre in Manchester England,it was called the Peterloo Massacre in 1819 when the people demanded reform in parliament to give more voting rights to the ordinary man who wasn't allowed to vote,the ruling classes turned the cavalry and cannons on the people and killed about 18 and injured hundreds whilst the gentry watched on from behind castellated walls.
Denmark here .. when it comes to our labor unions/market and the education system, then it's kind of interconnected and radically different to the rest of the world, because the education system is build on a lot of group work with the teacher not being directly involved, so that children and students are encouraged to question everything and be in center of the learning process. College University is also not only totally free of charge, but you actually get paid up to around $850 a month to study, to free your mind from other issues and worries.
It also come as a surprise to most foreigners, that Denmark have no minimum wage laws what so ever, so when people outside Denmark often have trouble understanding why McD pay their unskilled burger flippers a minimum $22 an hour + 6 weeks fully paid vacation, fully paid sick leave, paid maternity leave, and a pension scheme, in a country that actually have no minimum wage laws, the answer is strong labor unions (which membership fees are automatically deducted from your income taxes).
When McD entered Denmark from the US, they did their best to keep out the labor unions, but failed because 16 different labor unions ganged up on them with a boycott that totally crippled McD, like no longer being able to get any printed materials (so no advertisement, bags, napkins, menus and what have you ), dockworkers refusing to unload shipping containers containing McD equipment and other stuff, construction workers refusing to do any kind of work for McD, so that it was impossible for them to open new restaurants, make improvement or get anything repaired, the truck workers refusing to do any kind of deliveries of food, beverages and other stuff to McD, and so McD were forced by the unions, to either leave Denmark all together or comply and sign the labor agreements.
So in other words, multinational corporations hold no political power around here, and you do not need to be rich to get elected for parliament. In fact, you have no chance of getting elected in Denmark, if you do not act like a 'next door neighbor' or a relative and do not comply to the unwritten "Jante law" (you are no better than the rest), so a "God bless" rhetoric at the end of a speech or trying to seem like a strong man, rich and on top of the World will do you no good, but only make sure that you do not get elected due to lack of humbleness.
Btw, why it is so, and it became this way, is a totally different story, but in short, then while most Kingdoms and kings were siding with the aristocracy and rich ruling class, to oppress and keep the "peasants" and general population in their place, then it eventually came to be that the Danish (and Nordic) Kings chose make reforms and side with the peasants and population to keep the aristocracy and rich ruling class from being way too powerful, and so also from being a kind of threat to their rule and their Kingdom.
Ironically it was the mentally ill King Christian VII of Denmark who started some of the major social enlightenment reforms and progressive advances, with freedom of speech and of the press, and a curtailment in the automatic privileges of the aristocracy and the abolition of serfdom, and so struck Denmark (and Norway that was in a union together at the time), leading to actual reforms in 1770 to 1772 in Denmark, well before the French Revolution in 1789 to 1799, though not through a bloody revolution like in France, but through a triangle drama between the mentally ill Danish king, the English daughter of the Prince of Wales who became the Queen of Denmark and the German royal physician and idealists Johann Friedrich Struensee who lost his head, but still managed to help change the history of Denmark and Norway.
There is actually a rather historical correct Danish period drama film from 2012 'A Royal Affair' ('En Kongelig Affære'), starring Mads Mikkelsen, that cover this exact event in history.
Fascinating 👍Thanks from Wales.
Fun to see the lightbulbs going on for you guys. Welcome to reality.
People in the US have almost the same clean "brain" as the people in North Korea.
I find the comparison really unfair and insulting. North Koreans understand that they are oppressed.
@@Naanhanyrazzu I don't think so, because they really seem to worship the Kim's like living gods. I've seen it in several documentaries also with hidden cam footage & coming from an ex socialist country myself (East Germany) this is absolutely unheard of.
Capitalism means using money you don't have to buy things you don't need to impress people you don't like.
Bullseye. You couldn't have said it more correct.
Agreed - in its present form. I think a more antiquated version of capitalism… responsible capitalism… with it’s more moral approach to every citizen, would benefit the majority
Communism means right this way to the gulag enjoy having a death count exceeding 100 million.
@@neilmccarthy5102 Since the end of the Second World War, we have had an economic system in Germany that we call the social market economy. The social market economy tries to combine the advantages of the free market economy, especially high efficiency and the supply of goods, with the welfare state as a corrective to prevent possible negative effects of market processes. It works well for us, but it is a constant struggle against the dismantling of these social systems
The worst in capitalism is the good behavior and helping other " ho he's rich but kind he gives to the poor etc ..." is socialism traits ,but in a twisted way : i give so i am reconize as a good person its no longer normal or selfless .
Why not enforce the good behavior by a way of thinking (like socialism or "utopian" marxism (not what was applyed in the world )): just cause lot of people dont want to be the good guy , and dont give a sh.t about others .
They want to be the good guy if they can afford it , not on a daily basis .
Your stuff is like a reaction video meets a podcast, people are used to 2 different formats but you combine them and thats what people are confused about, keep doing what you do! 👍👍
I really like you guys. Some of your comments can de a tad naive and reactionary, but I guess that's what you are, reactors. I can tell you both have a sense of justice and have kind hearts 💕. Keep on doing what you're doing. Peace and love.
Long videos are perfectly okay by me, as long as your reactions add something to the videos. For me that's most certainly the case in this video. I've grown up and have my life in the Netherlands, and hearing your reactions to this video gives me some more information on how different the education and society in the US of A is compared to the Netherlands and I think I can say at least the northwestern part of Europe. I hope you are wrong in believing that no significant changes will occur in your lifetime, and that we in our country won't drift of any more in the same direction as the US of A is currently going.
Netherlands seem to go further and further to the right. I hope that changes. Netherlands have for a very long time, atleast from the outside, been seen as something of a role-model when it comes to personal freedoms.
@@systerkeno It's something we see all across Europe at the moment. I'm afraid the refugees coming in is not appreciated by everyone. I hope the trend will change before it goes too far.
I don't mind the longer videos - it's an interesting subject for you and us 🇬🇧🇺🇲 there's a lot to learn 😀
You should definitely check out more Second Thought, he's great
I'm a socialist and my parents and grandparents etc also were socialists. There is a general misconception that the goal of socialism is to take the rich down and make everyone poor, when the goal is actually to lift everyone up. The people of sweden have payed a huge peice for socialism, though. At that time in history, eugenics were very popular, and was also used to get rid of people that were "sick" or "unwanted", in part, at the time seen as a "practical" way to save money, eradicate "sicknesses" they thought were genetic. To have a smaller population who needed help by the state..also, "racial hygiene" were popular at the time. So it was a lot of horrors even if it was seen as progressive at the time. Don't forget that nazi Germany built their NSDAP ideologies from the swedish model.
Socialism can be good, bad, or a mix. It took a lot of more progressive socialists to change it. Whatever political model, the ruling elite always seems to end up on top, and people continue fighting for rights because rights are taken, not given. Even if it's socialism. Of course, it's been relatively good in Sweden with health care, etc, but we also stagnated. "Racial hygiene" laws had portions still being active until 2013 when it became illegal to force the sterilization of transgender people. That's only 10 years ago. While we were the first country to allow changing legal gender, we are mostly stuck in 1974 when it comes to rights for transpeople. Having years of waiting time before the first appointment, then potentially years of wait until any hrt etc. We also dont have self ID of legal gender like our neighboring countries have. Then there's the peoblem with the war on drugs where sweden is one of the harshest in europe on cannabis. We have nordic socialism that have not been nearly as progressive as it needs to be. My point is that even if a country can get to actually implement socialism, there will be people there to take power and still use the population, so it's probably always going to be a constant fight for human rights. Sweden have unfortunately been very backwards for many years and now with the ultra nationalistic far right anti-lgbtq party and their alliance with moderates and christian party leading the Riksdag, its hard to move forward. There's no big party in sweden for example that are fighting to end the war on cannabis, even though recent statistics show that about 18-20% of adults in sweden use cannabis on a rdgular basis, and therefore, logically, would give a massive rise in votes to that party. In fact, the laws on cannabis have become harsher with time. In 2000, it bwcame illwgal go have thc in the blood, making it poasible for authorities to harass users weeks after last use. Now you can lose your drivers license and housing only because of testing positive while not driving or doing anything to disturb the piece. In Gothenburg (Göteborg), Sweden's swcond biggest city thdy have often put helicopters out..not to look for growing spots, but to search for people after gdtting a call that there's a smell of cannabis. So in Sweden, we have a very long way to go before we can call ourselves a progressive nation. But, thw state propaganda about how progressive ee are, are very effective internationally, hiding away the inequality.
I like the long videos, I'm here to hear your thoughts and your point of view. If I want to hear the original video without your comments, I'll go watch the original video. And Lynda, great job with the sound this time.
Orwell went and fought in the International Brigades to defend that way of life in Catalonia, he got shot in the neck by the Fascist forces. He also had some bad experiences with some of the Communist forces he interacted with there that tuned him into a rat who compiled a list of "subversives" for the UK security state.
I have a lot of love for the Chicago communists of the Depression era who did reverse evictions where they reinstalled families in houses by force, along with other great programs. We need that here in the UK now. Even upper-middle-class 'Utopian Socialists' like Upton Sinclair and his "End Poverty in California" Program were pretty great imo. Putting pressure on FDR domestically, like communist uprisings were externally, to create the New Deal. Its sad to see all the reforms that were won going away as socialism has disappeared from the western world, and there was no real pressure on liberal capitalism to save itself from itself. "Red Chicago" is a great book on the subject in the build up to WW2.
@16:17 There's a famous lesson for governance that comes from ancient Rome. "Bread and circuses": preventing starvation and providing entertainment are important to keeping order. It's partly why we have such cheap food, mind you recent price gouging is having some negative effects on the former.
Part of the problem is the concentration of power via wealth. How did we let competition evaporate so much that some industries are controlled by a few corporations who are now "too big to fail"?
Marx already forecasted it in 1867 in "the capital"... basically a concentration & centralisation that supersedes the competition & turning it into an almost monopoly capitalism resulting in few with many wealth & power. He had some ideas of his own which weren't perfect but he also couldn't have known how people misinterpret them which is why I don't get how he is so demonized.
By bailing out corporations and the wealthy, you essentially have socialism for the rich and capitalism for the middle class working class and poor.
One would not believe how many times an american told me (a german) that Hitler was a Socialist, if it would not be so infuriating i would laugh about such stupidity.
As a German, such ignorance hits a sore spot.
That's true. Hitler was a wolf in sheep's clothing. He was a fascist dictator that pretended to be a socialist to get the popular vote. Right wing Americans still think he was one, because it's easy to suck in suckers.
I've encountered this multiple times with Americans as well. It really is insane.
That thought is getting more ground in Europe by some political right parties.
It's hilarious that the USA do not include into their educational curriculum the greats (ideologist, thinkers/philosophers and the ones that implemented variants throughout the world and history). These people are taught pretty much everywhere and at any level (I was introduced on this topic during my 4th of secondary - 15/16 yrs old). Marx and Engels is a must just to understand the pro's and cons.
Main thing to remember is socialism (as is capitalism) is a system and not a govt it is there as the base of the society and helps drive/evolve the whole gov't (democratic/republic/communist). You could say socialism is the rules and regulations of driving, as capitalism is to profiting from not following these rules (available $$$ vehicles with excessive speeds [were the last one's to incorporate air bags in their cars as to "save" on labour costs] - true situation of US car makers) and the government and it's population (as they are interdependent in a democracy) must decide for the greater good (the majority) unlike an autocracy where the one's in power "decide" for the rich/elite minority (as it is in the USA, China, Russia, north Korea, Saudi Arabia and a few others'). The difference is the USA has never been a democracy as it is a representative democracy or to be more precise a republic.
By definition, a republic is a representative form of government that is ruled according to a charter, or constitution (their officials represent the citizens' ideas and concerns in government), and a democracy is a government that is ruled according to the will of the majority.
As for your concern on human rights on food;
Domestically, the United States pursues policies that promote access to food, and it is our objective to achieve a world where everyone has adequate access to food, but we do not treat the right to food as an enforceable obligation.
That simply means that if their population (or any other friend or foe) were to be hit by famine, they have given themselves the right to refuse giving aid as it would be detrimental for their economic stability.
One of the most "proud" capitalist American (historically) named Henri Ford. Was all for profit and streamlining operations and controlling expenses. Found it "normal" to give back 1/2 of his profits to his worker's as it would guarantee them a good lively hood, quality of life and keep them within the company until retirement. But the Federal government and the Senate put a stop to this idea and even passed laws preventing owner's to give portions of their gains to employees that should "normally" be given to stockholders😮😮😢
Reforms or even a total revamping of the constitution and it's government is the only way USA can move forward and evolve itself as a true democratic state, where the majorities needs and expectations are at the forefront of it's duties. And not the world's tyrant and monopolistic economy. No wonder China, south Korea and a few other's have banned or have limited access to their products.
so maybe they should start with E. Kant 😂😂
SAME THING HAPPENED IN UK ABOUT SAME TIME, CALLED THE PETERLOO MASSACRE, THEY MADE A FILM CALLED PETERLOO, VERY GOOD TO WATCH
We will check this out!
What's baffling to me is that so many people in the USA claim that socialism and communism are bad, but they don't even know the difference between them! And when you ask them why it's bad they can never give a well grounded reason for it.
Also, I too think that that movement will come. Probably not in the near future, but it will come. Because people have limits and they can only put up with so much and then they start tot fight back. And because there are more and more vloggers like you guys, who educate themselves on how the rest of the world handles things and pass it on to your followers. That way more and more people know that it IS possible to do things differently, and that ideas like socialism are not things to be afraid of!
And lastly, some of the biggest companies in the world started, grew and thrived under socialist governments. So the idea that many US citizens have that only capitalist countries can have a thriving economy is just plain wrong. If only those people would realise that next time they buy a Lego set for their kids.
Unionize! Block highways, look at france! Vote left! You can do it;)
America hasn't really got a 'left' though. They have a right and a more right party, as seen from the perspective of others. And 'leftists' are nothing like what people in Europe (or the UK) would neseseraly call, or see, as 'left of center' politically.
It's funny regarding the definitions of socialism because I'm very much not a socialist and a lot of people today are obsessed with Russia to promote a version of socialism that's basically disguised facism. Go ask a Ukrainian what they think of socialism.
But also I'm from NI and have never heard our halthcare being called socialised medicine from anywhere but the usa, but that's what I support I guess, 'socialist' policies like healthcare, education, workers rights that we have in a lot of Europe should be standard everywhere.
@6:10 Please don't forget that money is also a means of controlling people and imposing your own will on them or getting them to behave in accordance with the system or as desired. The USA is a good example of this.
There isn’t many socialistic countries left and there is no one in Europe. Yes, we have a higher level of welfare than USA, but the countries are still capitalistic.
USA is the newest country with the oldest system. The time stays still while it passes by for its people.
So, so, so much of the public discourse on these topics gets muddled in poor use of descriptive language and different people, groups and organisations using the same words and phrases for different things and concepts, or using different words and phrases for the same things and concepts. Many people also deliberately lie and mislead by inferring the wrong meaning of a word or phrase or flat out misdescribing its universally understood meaning. For all these reasons it's very difficult for someone who hasn't studied this topic in any amount of detail to know who or what to believe.
There are plenty of examples of various communes with varying degrees of success and duration. But they tend to be village sized or smaller. Once you get too big people stop knowing their neighbours. It then gets harder for people to track what's going on, people become more abstract, and the concentration of power gets a little easier.
Most political orators learn rhetoric, either from formal sources or just figure it out on their own by observing what works for them. There are also quotes from several famous political speakers admitting that the most important pillar to convincing people with words is emotion (aka pathos). You could be speaking at people with a nonsensical word salad but still move people to action if you hit enough of their emotional dog whistles then connect that feeling with something else you want them to feel the same way about. Logic (aka logos) while useful is not required. The second biggest pole in the rhetoric tent is referring to things or people that your audience trusts. Which could be as weak sauce as 3/4 dentist agree or if you have a religious crowd pulling out some useful parables might work too. The deferment to authority is called Ethos iirc.
Coming from Spain, my father was a communist when he was young, my mom socialist though less involved and they are very good people, careing for others, just... And it is why I have never ever undestood many US movies or people "what are you, a socialist?!?" as if it was an insult, fuck yeah I am, I want my rights secured by my people, public schools, helthcare, water, electricity, housing... What the actual f.. is whrong with that? Keep your cannibalistic capitalism for youself.
Americans were exposed to extreme propaganda against socialism and communism after WW2. It was their arch rival, their nemesis. So they demonized people of this ideology and the idea itself to the max. An unprecedented and unmatched level of propagandism. This was the ideology of devil and its followers are demons/monsters. Real objective and neutral teaching never occured. To this very day.
And the after-effects continue to this day without any correction. It is almost impossible to have a factual conversation with Americans about this topic. Most will immediately fight it and go back to the misconceptions they're used to believe, even if there is no need to fight.
That's wild!! Klick, klick, klick...
The Amish seems to me to be fairly socialistic
in communist countries people are aware they’re being manipulated. in capitalist countries they’re not aware, or even worse - don’t care they’re being manipulated.
another quite important observation imo - in a capitalist society it’s harder for people to pursue their talents, because they either opt for better paying jobs, or are too busy trying to make a living (i still can’t get used to the fact that so many americans work two jobs just to get by)
obviously capitalism brought prosperity to many people, but it needs to be regulated better. hopefully we will change something before we destroy our planet, because so far (liberal) capitalism is not showing much interest in finding solutions for global warming etc
There are no and there were no communist countries. The ones you're refering to were socialist countries, with the goal to one day become a communist country. This was never achieved in human history.
Absolutely..............
In Belgium in France and probably almost in every European countries the 1stMAY is a day off .In Brussels there are marchs,citizens meet representatives ,concert ..A small country ,very complex where the 5 major political party have always to work in coalition to rule at different levels…And those guys once they have seat they are very glued to it …Arrogant…Our heritage is socialist we have all the protections such as social security (same one as the French one ) and social housing
Thanks 🎈
Yeees! You need a revolution🔥 Smart humans like yourself needs to connect with other enlightened people and come togheter ❤
I'm so stressed for all inhabitants in usa. ...And I'm on the otherside of the world 😅😳
But, changes can only happen if the population opposes the current rules. And do it loud.
(Without any violence ofc😬)
Love from sweden 🌬💕🌍
Yet another great vid, keep open minded.
It's so incredibly sad that America is so f....d up. I know the Netherlands isn't utopia but compared to the US we are doing great. And we are far from communism. Each person who thinks socialism equals communism needs to go back to school.
The least you can do being a democaratic civilization, is to national mandate the minimum amount of hours for a full time job, national minimum wages growing with inflation on a yearly basis and mandated national (basic) healthcare for everyone.
You guys should look up "No Gods No Masters A History of
Anarchism Part 1 of 3"
(As well as the other two videos).
People used to think that technology would allow the working man to work less hours, and give him a better standard of living. Unfortunately, all that happened, is that businesses made the same amount of product, with a smaller workforce. It raised unemployment, and the remaining workers are still nowhere near having a reasonable work/social balance.
We up here in the use the nordic model, and so faar(+100years)
We seem to be doing fairly good^^
It isn't simply countries that merely differ.........look no further than the individual.........
I like this type of video and don't mind them being longer. I am so glad i am in a union as we are in a pay dispute at the moment and have just voted to go on strike. This will force the employer to increase their offer or face the consequences. We have so many protections from being fired at will thanks to those unions.
Personally i think the US is far too right wing and capitalistic to turn towards socialism any time soon. Socialism has been labelled the same as communism in America and they are not the same at all.
George Orwall wrote a great book about His time fighting with the catalonian. anarchists against Franco"s facists "Homage to Catalonia"
So If you want information...
@38:20 You can call it "the Nordic Model" basically. Its referenced in many places.
Wave those flags boyz!!be proud of the greatest nation on earth!
(while living as wage slaves)
there's rich privilege they're scared of schooled citizens, they're a threat.
They like it this way,they get richer by it.
It is a medieval system.
Hi, Loners. Off-topic but you might like to watch/react on this: "How to Sell a War to the American People" - by the excellent Johnny Harris.
Enjoy!
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I would recommend to follow up with Second Thoughts "Socialism for Absolute Beginners" to get a more robust basic idea about the fundamental differences of capitalism and socialism and Yugopniks "The Middle Class doesn't exist" for a discussion about classes and Hakims ""We need a mixture of Capitalism AND Socialism" - BULLS#*T".
Also another good video from the same guy, especially when you at the end mentioned like how we made progress in technology, but in humanity not really. The video starts more or less with that, like the dreams we had about better technology in the future would lead to us working less because the machines would maybe do all the annoying work, and we would just do what we really like. But oh yeah .. what happened in reality ..
"Is The US Becoming A Dystopia?"
ruclips.net/video/AmXQ3nQBE4U/видео.html
I recall a media rule of thumb about headlines: if the headline is a question the answer is usually no. I don't see this headline as breaking that rule, partly because it could also imply that the US already is a kind of dystopia.
@@ravenward626In this case, the answer / resume is that the US is already more or less a dystopia.
"The Beginning" outside of Mezo America, North American tribes did not have advanced societies they were practicing the beginning of agriculture with companion planting. Maize, beans and squash or as the natives called them the three sisters. They didn't till fields or raise and breed draught animals and did a great deal of hunting and gathering. "Stewardship of the land instead of resource extraction"? They didn't have the capability for resource extraction most of their time was spent hunting and gathering to survive. They had "communal" and private property. They were typically nomads and had typically little property anyways. They were in smaller groups, so they had some democracy. However, the chief still made life and death decisions, women still performed most of the manual labor and men hunted and raided other tribes for slaves, territory and more "communal" property. The Haudenosaunee were a democracy like Athens or a republic like Rome, if you were their neighbor, you were a prime candidate for bloody conquest. Much like 20th century communism the weak and unproductive were killed off for the good of the tribe. There was no excess to share . Howard Zinn and most other lefties will only tell you part of history. The first European settlers assumed because the places they were landing were on similar latitude as mild climates in Europe (Massachusetts lining up with Spain for example) that those conditions would be the same in the New World.(Massachusetts lining up with Spain for example). They didn't know about the gulf stream. Lots of native tribes practiced cannibalism including the Haudenosaunee, they stopped after a religious change brought on by Hiawatha. Though the Mohawk constituency still practiced it on high holy days. Then you have you Apache and Comanche.... Never trust the lies or the revisionist history of the left.
Second Thought might just be one of my favourite socialists...
We just call it socialism. in the US it too frequently gets equated with communism, which really is something different.
Ya we are still learning all the differences but we just think humans should be thought of first over profits is all
What specifically? Social democracy is not socialism... Socialism is in Cuba - and tbh, if it weren't for embargo, Cuba would seem quite good (like, genuinely).
Communism is just the next step for socialism...
One big difference between USA and the rest of the world is that USA doesnt have a history of decapitated despots. The amount of violent uprisings due to an exploiting ruling class has been a part of most countries history. But not the USA. The ruling class can always be overthrown by the masses.
The nordic countries are well regulated capitalist systems. With a fair part of the "common/basic" needs covered by taxes. Just like the americans has a tax funded military. But other countries has realized that other stuff that benefit the citizen, in other words the nation as a whole can be taxfunded. Like childcare, social security, schools, roads, emergency services and so on.
Americans often talk about the "community", helping out, taking care, what you can do for local fellow man. This a truly socialist way thinking, but when it comes thinking like this for the whole country thre seems to kick in some sort cognitive dissonnace. Your country is your community and in extension all humans are our community. We are all in this together.
I learned something new about American history from this video: The Most Gangster Politician Ever - Cassius Marcellus Clay
@2:15 I would change this sentence in "The US will never be a social country".
Not that they forgot about it, they never knew anything about it!
Yea I have some coments.. socialist means different things over the pond! In Europe/EU its common to call one self Socialist!
Its the left part of our political spectrum.. mostly related to workers and Unions.. and we altso have the left, those former Comunist partys, that have rebranded them self.. after Sovjet Uninon collapse!
In anyway, NATO is lead by the socialist former PM of Norway, Jens Stoltenberg, Germany the mightiest country in Europe is lead by a socialist PM, Olaf Scholz!!
Its still this, socialist is not a bad word in Europe, but in Nordic countries and Germany they spell it "Social democrats", in UK Labour party.. in the south of Europe they are not that shy, so in Spain, the former goverment party was, " Partido Socialista Obrero Español"!
It goes on in to EU;
"Party of European Socialists
The Party of European Socialists (PES) brings together 53 Socialist, Social Democratic and Labour Parties of the European Union and neighboring countries."!
liked this video so much😊
I'm hating the humidity. There's no breeze in London, and it's annoying.
_Homage to Catalonia_ is the book that really made me an anti-capitalist socialist, and not just a social-democrat, or an average Labour supporter. It's an important read, and not long. It's dozens of pages, not hundreds like some big George R. R. Martin door-stopper. It's about Orwell's experiences on the Republican side in the Spanish Civil War (1936-1939), and especially the Anarchists and the independent (non-Moscow-aligned) Marxist militias that he was involved in. Without spoiling, all the redistribution and humanitarian change going on in the Spanish Republic was destroyed by the Spanish ultra-conservatives, nationalists and fascists on the other side of the civil war who were led by General Franco, Dictator of Spain from 1939 until his death in 1975. Franco's far-right forces, who planned and started the war to exterminate the Spanish left and get rid of democracy, were massively helped by Mussolini's fascist Italy, and H#t##r's N##i Germany. Poor people not being allowed to have nice things, or take charge of their lives, like most of the time in most places. But just in case you get some Orwell-haters in the ccomments you can tell them that unlike them, Orwell did actually fight fascists with a rifle.
The reason why utopian communes mostly fail is that the entire economy around them is privately owned, and they struggle to sell goods against market competition. They don't all fail, but most of the ones that have persisted are Christian churches and they have a deeper commitment to what they are doing and to each other as churches, or as monasteries. Also local landowners and magistrates tend to make trouble for communes, and all the best land already belongs to private landowners and commercial farmers, so it's harder to make a living. Communes that aren't built around farming are harder still, because they have to pay rent for their space in cities, and are surrounded by all the temptations of cities - to leave and get a better paying job, to spend too much in the supermarket etc. Worker co-ops are the nearest thing if you don't want to live with everyone else in the commune, rather than just work together and share profits equally. Honestly living in a shared house is a big problem, and the Christian communes like the Hutterites don't actually do that. They are equal owners of all the land and have equal say in the business decisions, but they live in family homes in what they call Colonies, although they do cook and eat together in community halls. The Jesus Army here in the UK abandoned living in shared commune houses, partly because there was some amount of abuse that happened. Non-family living together is problematic, heck family living together can be problematic, especially when there isn't enough space.
Reliance on the system is not new, yes it is certainly different and more pervasive now, but it was already decive in non-frontier portions of the country by 1820, hence the push for manifest destiny, and even that was a massive gamble for your average joe.
I say this because in the 1880s your average farmer in the midwest was massively in debt to the agriculture industry barons, they ended up being a big block of the first populist and progressive movements of the 1880s and 90s with a strong legacy in Wisconsin and Minnesota. So muh of this history was truly "cancelled" in the many red scares. It's also important to not be reverential to specific figures and movements and governments, details tend not to be kind to the reductive.
Is called "Right to Work"
4:23 what changed was that the fascists won the Spanish civil war and crushed the Anarchists and Syndicalists in catalonia (a region in spain)
also it wasnt perfect, they had to create a state and force people to follow their amarchist law (lol) to try and survive the fascist attacks
Sometimes I feel like USA is just going to have to go the way of Europe and demonstrate, rebel, fight - you’ve done it before. Be brave. People will die but you’ll arise like a phoenix
socialcapitalism is the term.
In theory - socialism is the way, the education to communism. In reality most "socialist" countries were nothing but dictatorships and a lot went wrong. People don't work together, people hate each other and need advice and control. That's sad, but well, that's live. Capitalism is not that far away, because it simply lacks the control - of the capital, the companies, the rich. So, somehow a way between those extremes do work best for most people, often called "social democracy" or similar. Most first world countries are more or less on that track, like most European countries, Japan, many Asian and South American countries. The single country that came close what socialism wanted is Cuba. But with all the sanctions that the USA still aggressively puts on Cuba, it's a hard job.
09:50 Our own society is a tangled web of dependence too, it's just that the people within that web are often interchangeable and the threads connecting them fungible. Does it really matter who stocked the shelves or delivered your mail as long as someone does it?
Let's take Italy as example. We have free universal health care; free education until 18 years old (you pay only the books, not the school); 4 weeks of 100% paid vacation at work, 24 weeks of 100% paid parental leave for new parents, 40 hours a week cap at job, unlimited sick days (if sickness certified by a public doctor) and so on
All these things are considered "socialist", but Italy is VERY VERY VERY FAR from being socialist. On the opposite, in the last 20-30 years we had pretty much right wing (and sometimes extreme right wing) governors (like now Salvini and Meloni, that are considered by a lot of people pretty fascists).
How is that? Because Italy is a "Social democracy" since WW2 and new costituion was writte, and even the most extreme right wing of the rightests wings guy won't even immagine to remove universal health care or make a family cannot afford education for a 14 years old kid.
You can be right wing and pretty much capitalist and still have some "social democracy" benefit.
Think about Scandinavia: they have the HIGHEST rate of millionars and billionars per capita IN THE WORLD, more than US, thus is a pretty capitlistic and strong free economy based country, but they have STRONG benefit called "social net": universal health care, strong unions that force high minimum wage, free education to the higest level and so on with all the classic "socialistic" things
See? You can be Americans, keep your strong capitalistic core... but you can also add benefit for the weakest, without being "socialistic"
it's very hard to question ideas that have been hammered into your brain so much so that you don't realize they actually work against you.
It made me think of a comment another youtuber made on one of her video, young woman from small town Kansas who moved to France for several years, comes back to the US on vacations and finds so awesome that 24/7 exists in the US, saying how she went to wallmart at 2am to buy groceries, and trying to argue that even if it's not great to work at night, the employees probably chose to work nights, that they could decide to do it and so on..
I was also quite shocked to find out how economy is taught in US schools, it very much starts there.
Also be careful about the scandinavian mirage, especially anything norway, norway is a natural gaz producer and gets around many social expenses that way, not saying it's bad but you know..
bottom line, i do think you're fu*ed, all we can do in europe is try to make better choices, and i can guarantee you that forces are at play to lean towards something more american.
But that guy is wright, simply joining a union gives some credibility to their actions, just make sure you're not joining one that is sponsored by Trump though.
Cheers
America knows Socialism in some forms works in Europe and works well..
But America doesn’t want to give up the control it has over the people ..and still keep telling them it’s the land of the Free…as long as you do as your told….
Ye, American propaganda, indocrination start on the first day at school.
It is part of the education.
Wealthy people don't care about the short term, an economic crisis is short term nothing. Stocks might drop for a few years but they bounce back after and all is good, they don't really get hurt.
Plus, when interest rates are pushed up to :"fix the economy", they simply take their cash out of the stock market and buy bonds that offer those higher interest rates, it's super comfortable for them. The system, the way we deal with macro issues, is design to protect wealthy people even in a crisis and to hurt everyone else. The game is rigged but don't tell anyone lol.
to me Capitalism and Socialism are to do with economics. Yet with Socialisms or socialized countries they pay more in taxes yet everyone wins. Yet Capitalisms is to the point is greed and you can see that USA. With other Countries like my own Australia, we are both Capitalisms and Socialism, we pay taxes depending how much you earn so the little you earn the less you pay, while the more you earn the more you pay.
Bernie Sanders is pretty much a social democrat by European standards. So left-centrist. To describe him as far right is a complete exaggeration. In general, however, it is true that the political environment in America as a whole is much further to the right.
ps. Why is anyone watching this video if they are not interested in a discussion? What would be the point if you just watch the video in silence? Then I can watch the original video right now.🤷♂ I don't understand some people.
He calls himself a democratic socialist.
@@n_other_1604 He is not though. He is a social democrat, by definition.
Suggested read; Animal Farm. (Keep in mind it is an allegory.)
Obviously the guy is a proud American. International labor day, being claimed as a US invention. Yup, his utopia has no bounds.
Lynda, correct me if I am wrong, but I think Brian refers to credit cards. People paying for crap with money they do not even have, than using another cc to pay of the first etc. Thus not getting out of debt, but making it more and more complex to figure out bills. (yeah credit score)
Lynda, people know that they are watching a reaction video. If they hate that you comment or stop the video for commenting etc, than obviously they don't know the concept of a reaction video, or they are haters, and you know what they say, haters are gona hate.
I can't imagine thinking of history as boring!
you have socialism there. But only on military , police firefighters...and some of primary education
Socialist countries from the word Social. The fact that the communists failed to build a viable model of a socialist society tells us about their mistakes in imagining how such a society should be built. No one has done this before - it's a difficult experiment. The leaders of the communists eventually ruined this experiment by selling out to the capitalists and having lost faith in the possibility of building such a society. But they are not a standard, they did not know how to properly go to the goal, they thought that their methods were correct and everyone was wrong, the idea of an equal, classless society is alive and popular. Read Marx and Lenin. Marx and Lenin created the theoretical basis of the society of social justice - they are the basic theorists. Maxx showed us the gears - how capitalism works and what it is based on, its principles, laid the theoretical foundations of a classless society of equal rights, Lenin developed his ideas further. All this has a solid basic theoretical foundation from their works and books.
"The fact that the communists failed to build a viable model of a socialist society tells us about their mistakes in imagining how such a society should be built"
No, they screwed up early. They all deviated from how it should be build and adepted something to manifest their individual power to exploid it for themselves. Corruption, lies, nepotism. The very moment you see the whole polpulace not really being equals (in terms of income and access to everything), you can see it failed. The leaders of such a country, or directors of an important factory, need the exact same income and treatment, as a random miner or farmer. Their kids have to have the same chances based on their skills, as any random resident. This never happened. The leaders lived in luxury, while most people did not or often in poverty. Their kids followed their parents and got powerful positions as well, while random people with better grades and skills never had that chance. Lies and incompetence grew. That's why they failed.
And why it always will fail, because that's how humans just are.
Americans make a big confusion, social is not socialism. Here in italy we have a social government buy we are not socialist. The Crazy thing Is that comunism and socialism are two political and economical theories, a social country Is put people before profits. Politicians are using the ignorance to stay in control, the real revolution Is increase the personal instruction and not be afraid of everithing. Be human to be Better human. Good Life.
If you are not allowed to study and debate a subject how can you have an opinion on it? xxx
You have the freedom to repeat the opinion that is indoctrinated into your brain, and also the freedom to belive its your own opinion, and the most important .. you have the freedom to believe that is FREEDOM !!!
Beeing social is human.
Still at the start of the video, most americans don't know the details of capitalism either. With a close look, the USA are not capitalistic. In capitalism the government doesn't have many tasks, but one of the really big things is to prevent and destroy monopolies. On any level, in every aspect. Meanwhile in California and several other states, electricity are monopolies protected by the government.
Oh, and by the way... there is not a single country in Europe that is not capitalistic. Not just the EU, the whole of Europe.
Bernie Sanders is rightwing compared to parties in Europe
Which is crazy to us!
I actually really like your comments whenever you pause the video because you talk about the reality that you live in which we rarely see in media and social media talked about. Personally I have learned about so many things just based on your comments about your lives and the way the USA works and exists and crashes some twisted ideas that we Europeans might have of you based on the aforementioned media and social media.
But damn does your country like to paint the rest of the world as communist or socialist. According to Google searches, there are about five communist countries nowadays. Five. So how come the rest of us are painted as communist when we are not or have not been under communism ever since the Soviet Russia fell? American politicians have much to explain if they want to use that as an argument in your politics. Socialism is fine and dandy as long as it works but there have been a lot of shortcomings these past couple of years, maybe brought forefront because of the pandemic and lots of cuts it created. Actually, no matter in what kind of society we live, we the ordinary people always suffer because of the people in higher and more powerful positions. I might like some politicians because of the things they stand for and what they have managed to accomplish (weirdly almost all of them are women) but do I trust them to stand for making our lives better? No, because there is always this one wanker who wants to ruin it all just because they don't deem it feasible or worthy of the effort, thus us having to suffer more paycheck cuts, under staffing, etc. I don't know how much we people can take before something happens and shit hits the fan, soon we'll have another revolution a la France and then the fun begins. Damn, my pessimism started to come out in full force. But yes, something needs to change in the US politics because all the things that are happening there and affecting the population is not normal, especially the minorities and women in general. Maybe upgrade your congress to younger people who wouldn't freeze in an important meeting while televised and know what people actually want instead of assuming that the things they come up with is what you want but which is far from the reality. Am I making any sense? I dunno, but you get my drift.
those five "communist countries " are not even communist, they are socialist (except china which is capitalist and North Korea which is more like red fascism)
That thing she did at the beginning… 😂 ok
You probably mean at-will employment.
There is a big problem with "socialism" in America. You don't know the difference between "Comunism", "Soclialism", "Democratic Socialism" and "Social democracy". You call all of them "Socialism" and spit on it, not knowing the HUGE difference and thus not being able to learn something that works in other countries (like free health care, paid vacation for workers, paid parent leave for parente, free education and so on).
No one ask you to take the whole package, but until you refuse any idea that IS WORKING SOMEWHERE because it vaguely resemble "socialism" you lose some great opportunities to upgrade your country
There is a difference between Marxism, communism, socialism and social democracy. Marxism is the way communism is achieved as an end goal. Socialism is largely the same, but can also be achieved by other means than following Marx's ideas. Social democrats want to achieve socialism within the legal system. That prevailed in western Europe (although it is eroding nowadays).
I remember an American condemning me for doing a "social act" which was to help an old guy carry his luggage. The American thought anything prefixed with "social" was evil.
Yóu exploited native Americans pretty well.....,....
While Capitalism is one of thee most evil things in society socialism is deemed worse and why
video was so bad trying to say what? you did greatish?
Loners... did you not know that the labour movement started in the USA?
What the f... I have to go to pee
I don't get why people would want you to shut up on a "reaction" channel.