Wasted a question with Ei really, she confirms later on her own story quest that she _thought_ that she knew what was going on outside, and that she _does not_ know everything, it having her "tacit" approval confirms that she wasn't even communicating with the whole ordeal. In the Archon Quest we even get the fake letters that were delivered to the Shogun Puppet saying that "Everything was going perfect" and that she shouldn't worry about it, and Ei herself is obviously limited to what the Shogun Puppet knows, aka she was given false information. _"Finally, if you still think you can copy the Fatui's strategy of providing me with deceptive information to produce flaws in my judgment...You will see me appear once again as I have done today - only next time, my blade will show no mercy."_ She also has shown remorse on the fact that the people suffered in the war in the recent event and and in her second quest she expresses how much pain the people's sacrifices caused her, you could say in a way that the Vision Hunt Decree happened simply because she was being overprotective of her nation, as she didn't let them chase their ambition as their lives would be lost following them, but she overlooked that sacrificing for something was a human choice. _"The people's sacrifice has always caused me immense pain, but in dwelling on the tragedy, I overlooked their splendor... The grief blinded me to how brightly they shone in their final moments."_ I think a far more interesting question to ask her is what's her relation to the "higher power" she mentioned? or does she know the whereabouts of the Electro Sovereign? Or what is exactly the thing below being contained in the Sacred Sakura Tree? She also implied that she knew what was going on behind the scenes when giving visions, that could be formulated into a question. Or maybe even what on hell is she? "Lightning incarnation" ok sure but how old is she? Does she have a "parent" or something similar, etc, etc. Does she actually posses the Electro Authority? All of her power seems to come from pure, raw, martial prowess alongside her innate elemental power so does she actually is in possession of the authority?
I suppose I should make my actual question more clear regarding this. My question is more along the lines of why it had her approval. As in: what benefit did she see in the vision hunt decree? For it to have gained her approval, there should have been a benefit she saw in stripping people of their visions beyond what was told to her by the puppet and the Kujou clan. As for what that is, that's why I'm curious. I don't know if I'm making much sense here, but I don't think it would've been approved if there wasn't something she knew about visions that we currently don't know - something that, in her mind, was good enough reasoning to take such a drastic action. As for your questions, I consider them to be really good and fairly strong questions. Personally I didn't ask about her having a "parent" because I didn't see it being relevant to her current rule as an archon, and I have a feeling that the "higher power" in question is the heavenly principles. As for where her power comes from, Venti said in the beginning of the game that an archon gains their strength from their citizens' belief in them. People believe very strongly in the Shogun and so I imagine her power spawns from there. Iirc, the Sakura tree contained excess elemental energy as a result of the nature of the seed that was planted - which carried the remnant of Makoto within itself waiting for the time which Ei would be ready to receive her sister's last words.
I think the Remuria story mentioned that, while Egeria was acting as the heart of the primordial sea, the hydro dragon was unable to reincarnate so that's why Neuvillette was only able to be "born" after her death. So yeah, while Neuvillette has memories of his past life, he's pretty much just 500 years old
I recall that and thought it set a pretty interesting precedent regarding the other potential sovereigns in the future - for instance that might yield information on where Inazuma's dragon is as well
Also, Nuvilleute didn't exist before Egeria, Because he sort of was Egeria lol. She was the replacement for the hydro dragon. So they couldn't / didn't need to reincarnate until she died.
i feel like venti was always "hanging around" he was always in his bard state or he always used to but slept for a while and returned to being the bard again like even now the locals of mandstat think hes in hibernation only some officials know his identity
even though ei said she was “well-informed” about the vhd, the information she had received is most likely to have been falsified as it was reported by the tenryou commission. The same official of that commission colluded with the fatui and deliberately left out info about the war and the resistance in the documents so it’s highly possible that he provided deceptive info about the vhd too.
Of course right, but I can't help but consider that as an archon, even if she didn't know what the Fatui were doing, the consequences of the vision hunt decree would be glaringly obvious as a threat to the eternity she so strongly went on about, especially since the story spent so much time building her up as someone who would be able to forsee such a consequence, especially after a full year of it going on.
@@coma70se i mean she herself thought the vhd was a correct approach to eternity. This idea was suggested by the fatui to sell delusions and destabilize inazuma so they convinced or manipulated the puppet into believing that it does not pose a threat to eternity. Later when she talked to the traveler in the plane of euthymia she basically said that no one would lose their life from their visions being taken away but rather lose their lives from pursuing their aspirations. This could imply that she did not know the worst cases of the effect on people after their visions being taken away because some people like itto weren’t affected and kuki willingly handed it as well. If she did know then it wouldn’t be a surprise since she as their ruler and god would think that it’s logical to sacrifice a minority of her people to protect inazuma as a whole from the wrath of celestia as she herself has witnessed. about your last statement, i don’t think genshin depicts her out to be someone who can foresee consequences but rather they highlight her “strength” instead of “intelligence” unlike what they did with focalor
@@rat9958 you bring up a fair point honestly. I think what irks me so much about it, and why I have such a hard time rationalizing her logic is because of how quickly all of the irrational events suddenly happen. After over 400 years of doing nothing (related to the vhd), the Fatui come along and propose it as a good idea and the archon of the nation didn't think about it beyond what what's so suddenly presented to her? By extention, there would've been a year under the vhd and the Sakoku decree and supposedly everything is supposed to have been fine without her once personally looking into it? Also, her first sq highlights her perspective on eternity as she is resistant to the idea of change. Again, after centuries of continuous rule, drastic changes happen in her nation and Ei, the one so against change, doesn't once figure that there's potential problems in her continued pursuit of eternity?
@@coma70se i believe 500 years would not be that long for someone like her, not to mention she was doing nothing but meditating so her wounds may have been fresh. although the vhd happened for a year, it may have been proposed longer before as the fatui have been plotting in inazuma for centuries prior to both the vhd and sd. As of now we don’t really know everything about visions, they could be bad or good but ei in fact does know a lot more than us . In her voice lines she mentions that she is subject to constraints about the topic of vision and there is another side to it other than desire. Perhaps this is why she thought it was a good idea as she may have other reasons that she cannot share on why visions should be taken away. Both decrees in her eyes are for the better of inazuma so even though it may contradict her idea of eternity, a small change( to her) would be worth it as it would provide a greater stasis for inazuma. Ultimately it did harm her own people and she still has her part in those decrees. She also continues to realize her flawed view of eternity in her second sq. and she is making amends for her mistakes
@@rat9958 One would think the vhd being proposed over an extended period of time would allow room for consideration about potential consequences, not to mention it doesn't address the logic of her unending pursuit of eternity. As for visions, considering how apprehensive she seems about Celestia, I fully agree with you on that front. Now as for the idea of stasis, you're actually not wrong. Iirc, the story does highlight the idea that stasis might have been what she was pursuing. This is also backed up by the Sakoku decree also being put into effect at that time. My only problem with that line of logic is the rebellion and subsequent war that resulted from it (however small the scale) did pose a threat to that ideal, again creating a fallacy in logic. I understand, and even agree with a lot of your thoughts, but can't help but feel like the actual writing failed the idea itself - which is unfortunate considering that it left that bad of an impression on many fronts as a result of the failed execution. It was ambitious and they fell on their sword, leading to somewhat of a weak story. Even still, I do appreciate what they've done with Ei as a character since. I certainly am looking forward to seeing more of her since I feel like there's a lot of potential to be explored with her and her ideals.
Neuvillete said something or hinted at being real old from the recent lantern rite event. I don't remember what he said exactly, but there were some interesting lore bits from that event, especially pertaining to his relationship his our favourite geo daddy Deus Auri
It is stated in the description of the fontain wings glider as well as the most recent world quest in Remuria that after the death of the previous hydro sovereign, it was unable to reborn due to the existence of Egeria taking its place as the 'heart of the primordial sea'. Thus only about 500 years ago when egeria died due to the cataclysm did Neuvillette reborn, possessing no knowledge of his previous life. Neuvillette does gain more knowledge after gaining back his authority, but most of the memory of the previous hydro sovereign is still lost.
I understand what was preventing him from returning as dragon sovereign. My line of questioning was more about what exactly was he before Egeria died. I can't help but feel like whatever state he was in could answer a few questions about the other sovereigns in the world, like the electro one for instance (since the remuria quest insinuates that they would've been in a different form somewhere within the primordial sea, but Neuvillette seems to hold no knowledge about this)
As i understand the hydro sovereign couldnt restart their cycle while egeria was inside the primordial sea, and she came out after remuria's fall. So the hydro dragon (dunno if is the same neuvillete) could only reincarnate after that moment.
Good evening, I’m quite pleased to see a new video of yours again after quite some time! You mentioned some pretty interesting points, but the reason I’m writing this is that amongst the questions that were raised in this video, I feel like the one brought up for Inazuma has a definitive answer already unlike the other ones. This is probably gonna turn out to be a rather lengthy comment, but as to engage with your video further in a constructive manner, and to support my perspective with ample enough information, I’d like to expound on that thought, as I feel this is an area of Genshin’s main plot that isn’t clearly understood very often. To answer your main question: What was the point of Inazuma’s Vision Hunt Decree? Well, from the Fatui’s side of things: it was to destabilize Inazuma through secretly colluding with its government and to create a black market for Delusions, which they would give to Watatsumi Soldiers along with supplies in order to prolong the war on both sides. For the two clans that were colluding with the Fatui: the Kujou and Hiiragi clan, it was a power move in order to receive generous rewards from the Fatui while also cracking down on rival clans that covet the positions of the clans leading the Commissions. From Ei and the Raiden Shogun’s perspective: it was a decree formulated by the Fatui and suggested to the Shogun Puppet by Kujou Takayuki (previous Kujou clan head), which Ei tacitly (so without words or acknowledgement) agreed with since in her mind, it is inline with her view of Eternity. Her belief that excessive yearning leads to inevitable destruction find its roots in the Khaenri’ah disaster, which were comprised of people whose ambitions lied in messing with dangerous forces like the Abyss and Forbidden Knowledge in their quest to rebel against the dominion of the Gods, which resulted in their eventual downfall and devastation brought to other nations. Along with the Heavenly Principles stepping in and punishing them severely for it. Fearing for both her nation and its people, removing Visions from the equation, which represents ambition, would then serve to remove an element of instability from her ideal of Eternity and prevent excessive suffering for her subjects from her point of view as she explains in the Plane of Euthymia. My main disagreement with this section of the video is the idea that Ei was aware of pretty much everything that was happening, which is a point that takes both very large leaps of assumptions and is contradictory to the actual plot of the AQ and her characterization. And to showcase that, I’ll raise several contradictions that arise from that particular understanding to see what I mean more closely: The fact that the Raiden Shogun didn't join her army on the battlefield/never said anything about the war as Ayaka notes in the 3rd act wouldn't make sense, considering she's the nation's protector deity and has been an active participant in pacifying militaristic matters and protecting Inazuma like she had done for 2000+ years. Furthermore, her attitude towards threats to her people and ideal of Eternity is something further expressed in the item description of Narukami’s Valor: “The treasure of the lord of thunder is her majesty, and that majesty is embodied in her valor and wrath. Her wrath comes from the love that persists in her heart, and her valor supports that anger. Thus, whomsoever should block the path towards eternity or lay a finger on Inazuma's people shall become her foe. They say that there were four great spirits, three divine foxes, and two great swords - but that the symbol of Her Excellency, the Almighty Narukami Ogosho, could only be a single strike, unsurpassed and brilliant as a meteor.” Ei herself, in the dialogue that you displayed, said that she doesn't know everything that's going on outside. Which alludes to the Tenryou Commission’s role in feeding her and the puppet misinformation through the domestic reports sent to the throne that we obtain from Kujou Takayuki’s office in order to hide the existence of the civil war, leaving out any information regarding their collusion, hiding any mentions of Sangonomiya or the situation on the frontline, and the decree’s overall reception, which can be read here: ''The brilliant lightning reaches across Inazuma, displaying the eternal path of our Almighty Narukami Ogosho to the distant seas and spreading her name across the land. Your devoted servant, Kujou Takayuki of the Tenryou Commission, humbly submits this memorandum The Vision Hunt Decree exceeds without obstacles (Lie number 1). O Almighty Ogosho, at your mercy and might all delusions waste away, those who have fled return, (Lie number 2) and all your people welcome the inspections, (Lie number 3) indeed, even in their hearts. All of Inazuma is at peace thanks to your divine power (Lie number 4) , Your Excellency.'' And this gets further confirmed by act I of her story quest where Ei says and I quote: “Ei: Finally, if you still think you can copy the Fatui's strategy of providing me with deceptive information to produce flaws in my judgment… You will see me appear once again as I have done today - only next time, my blade will show no mercy.” In which she admits herself that the Fatui's strategy of feeding her false reports produced flaws in her judgment. Furthermore, her pursuit of Eternity, which was meant to prevent her people from prematurely losing their lives, would make less sense as she would be supporting a war that was killing her own people and delusion distribution which has been shown to reduce their user's life force. As Ei's Character story 2 notes, the purpose of the Shogun puppet is to defend Inazuma eternally. And as Ei herself states in her Act I story quest: "Yes, you're right. I'm wary of any and all change, but I do not wish for my pursuit of Eternity to stop human lives for changing for the better." Ei punishing the previous Kujou and Hiiragi Clan heads to the degree that she did after the Inazuma AQ quest, despite in this scenario, supporting the Fatui's actions and being aware of them wouldn't make sense. In her first story quest, they were literally in the process of awaiting trial before the Shogun for colluding with the Fatui and nearly destroying all of Inazuma, which in retrospect would be an odd notion if she stood behind what the Fatui and the two corrupt clans were doing. Ei has also said in that same Story Quest that she only intended to put control over Inazuma in the Shogun's hands and not anyone else's. Which would naturally also include the Fatui. And while this isn’t grounded in anything the game actually states, from a writing and pacing perspective, making us go through one-third of the AQ to find the evidence of this conspiracy wouldn't make sense if she already knew everything and would make everything in it redundant. I think it’s agreeable that Inazuma was pretty shaky in its writing and pacing, and that certain aspects of both most definitely could have been improved, but that segment of the AQ had a clear purpose that was neither contradicted or opposed by any of her characterization. Thank you for taking the time to read through this comment if you have. If you have any inquiries about this topic or any point I made here, I’d be happy to further discuss them with you!
Holy... thanks for the reply. I appreciate your input and since it involves Inazuma I can't say I'm too surprised. I'll work my way from the bottom since I do believe you have quite the interesting perspective and highlighted some points that I certainly could've addressed - of course this could be a video on it's on. With act 1 of the AQ, I do fully see the importance of showing the impact of losing visions. In fact, I consider it to have been done incredibly well. My main issue with this is that Inazuma's AQ was the first time that an Archon was presented as an active protector of the people (where Zhongli and Venti were portrayed as having a laid back approach to this.) Being an active protector, one would think that bearing witness to the negative effects of the decree and subsequent war would either encourage some stronger reaction or more action from her. Which brings me to the concept of Eternity as it's presented by the AQ vs Raiden's SQ. It Felt somewhat inconsistent, making it unclear why she was so willing to let the events of the war happen under the notion of pursuing Eternity. On surface level a war would surely go against it, and on a principled stance her pursuit of an "unchanging Eternity" while allowing events that undoubtedly contradict that is what generated this confusion for me. In her Character Story 1, the quote "Then, while things are still good, let us have stillness... Let us march towards Eternity." would almost make sense if didn't contradict the state of affairs in the AQ; being a war that was meant to weaken Inazuma as a nation and had severe negative effects due to war and the loss of visions. In her first SQ it is clarified that her pursuit of Eternity is really an unwillingness to allow for change - which the decree certainly contradicted. She realized that she was hampering the lives of humans for her pursuit of Eternity, which was good, but only came after people who really opposed such changes stepped forward. Now we could make the argument that her hundreds of years spent in meditation might have blinded her to the effects of her actions on the people of Inazuma. To that, I'd have to say I agree. This, however, makes her reasoning in act 3 of the AQ even more flawed, because her saying that she was aware of everything and only considered it from the perspective of Eternity makes even less sense when you consider her idea of what constitutes Eternity. If she truly believed the Fatui posed no threat to Eternity, then her intent to punish the Hiiragi and Kujou clan heads contradicts that statement on her pursuit of Eternity. Now, I will be fair to her and note that the clan heads were feeding false information to the Shogun, and it was this misinformation that allowed it to continue for so long without resistance from the puppet. I actually think her second SQ did a good job at highlighting the differences in perspective from Ei herself and the puppet. If we look at it with this in mind then it almost makes sense. Almost. As we can assume the Raiden Shogun puppet was merely telling Ei that there was no issue in the puppet's eyes. But even then I have issues with the enforcement of the decree itself. Inazuma went on for centuries under her rule before the notion of confiscating visions ever came into play, and it went on for about a year - a year of the damaging effects of the decree and eventual war being put on display, blatantly contradicting Eternity as Raiden describes it. I fully understand the Fatui's intent with their interferences, but what I ultimately don't understand was how Raiden could've ever seen any kind of benefit in letting it happen either from her perspective or from the perspective of the Inazumans. I think my main issue though, is that so much of the AQ's story and conflict relies on additional content. Without her SQ I can't say that I'd understand her perspective, and without that I couldn't even make these justifications for anything. Man, I didn't expect to write out such a long response, but I am really passionate about Inazuma because I could debate literally everything there to no end. Again, thanks for your response and perspective, talking these things out is always so interesting to me.
@@coma70se Thanks for your reply also, and apologies for the delayed reply, got quite hooked on Windtrace haha. I appreciate it! As for the response you have given me, I’ll also work my way down and offer my perspective, as I feel there are a number of points that I think should be handled. Despite the rather inconsistent nature of losing one’s Vision, like in the cases of Kuki, Itto and a few NPC's, I do indeed agree that the possible effects of losing one was done quite effectively. You’re right in thinking that an active protector God not taking any action despite there being such chaos going on is quite odd. But I think what you may be missing is that this is a question the story itself poses and answers: In act I, A Flower Blooms in a Prison, we learn several key details from Ayaka which will become important later. We first learn that the Shogun puppet doesn’t appear in public very often, with most appearances Ayaka witnessed being her attending formal ceremonies. We then learn that the vast majority of people in Inazuma take a stance of indifference towards the Vision Hunt Decree because it only affects a small number of people. And lastly, we learn that the Yashiro Commission has tried numerous times to raise a formal objection towards the VHD, but that each time the request arrives at Tenshukaku, the Tenryou and Kanjou Commission always veto the request, which causes it to be subsequently scrapped. When you also consider that in Ei’s act I it is stated that the Tri-Commission’s duty is to provide information for the Shogun in order for her to make effective judgements, then it’s quite clear to see what is happening here. The Tenryou and Kanjou Commission are preventing any information regarding the civil war and any problems that have arisen with the decree from reaching the Shogun puppet and Ei, because if it did, the Shogun would act immediately, which would go against their plans. Miko as well says as much in the third act after presenting the evidence of treason to Kujou Sara in Blind Loyalty, Reckless Courage: “(The Official Tenryou Commission Document is shown) Kujou Sara: ...I see this document bears the official seal of the head of the Kujou Clan. And it doesn't look like a forgery... I don't understand... Not a single word about the resistance, Sangonomiya, or the situation on the front line… What about the soldiers who gave their lives on the front line, or the hardship endured by the people? Do they deserve no mention!? Utter disregard for human life. Why would they want to hide it? Yae Miko: For the sake of the Vision Hunt Decree, of course. **Don't you think the Shogun might reconsider her policy if all of the things you just mentioned appeared in this report?** Kujou Sara: So the Tenryou Commission... **They are deliberately deceiving the Shogun?** Yae Miko: Yes. Now... who else do you think might be benefiting from the Vision Hunt Decree? Traveler: I also have a confidential letter here. Paimon: This is a letter from the Tenryou Commission to the Fatui. The head of the Kujou Clan kept this a secret from the Shogun, too.” In Inazuma’s third act of the AQ, Sword, Fish, Resistance, Kokomi also states that the Shogun and Tenryou Commission’s attitude doesn’t add up: “Sangonomiya Kokomi: The mere existence of the Vision Hunt Decree is baffling. **The Tenryou Commission's attitude just doesn't seem to add up, and neither does the Shogun's. The Tenryou Commission's zealous support for the decree seemed to come out of nowhere. And the Shogun seems completely indifferent to the fact that it has effectively caused a civil war…** I suspect the Vision Hunt Decree won't end until these mysteries are solved. All I can say for certain is that as long as the Vision Hunt Decree remains in force, we will never give up our fight.” Ayaka later on into this act also says something to similar and more conclusive effect in act III, Proof of Guilt, twice: “Kamisato Ayaka: Now that you mention it, there is one thing that has always concerned me. The Shogun's Army has been at war with the resistance for a long time now, **but not once has the Shogun ever inquired about it.** **I used to think that she simply didn't care, but looking at it now, perhaps the problem all along has been with the Tenryou Commission's reports to the Shogun.** Paimon: What do you mean? Kamisato Ayaka: The Tenryou Commission presides over domestic military affairs. If they ever had any intention of **concealing information in their reports** , we would have no way of knowing. Meanwhile, **the Shogun would incorrectly conclude that the Vision Hunt Decree poses no threat, and would stick to her decision.** If we had access to their reports, it would confirm everything. Thoma: But as I recall, the only person authorized to access that kind of official documentation is Kujou Takayuki.” After we obtain the secret documents: “Kamisato Ayaka: This sealed envelope must be an official report that the Tenryou Commission is preparing to present to the Shogun. In addition, we have... correspondence with the Fatui. It seems that Guuji Yae was right. They have been fomenting unrest behind the scenes.” With the people taking a stance of indifference towards the Decree, with the Tenryou and Kanjou Commission covering up their secret collusion with the Fatui, the civil war, and the overall effects of the Decree and with the Shogun herself not appearing in public much, spending most time in Tenshukaku, it’s not hard to imagine how this entire situation was kept secret from the Shogun and Ei for an entire year. Moving on, I don’t think her concept of Eternity as presented by the AQ and the SQ have any differences. The civil war as I said before was kept a secret from the puppet and Ei, and the letter that I cited in my original comment shows the Tenryou Commission was intent on convincing them that all of Inazuma was at peace and that there were no problems that have arisen with the decree whatsoever. If she were informed of everything, it’s very likely she would take action since that isn’t inline with her view of Eternity, which is supposed to prevent excessive suffering for her subjects. I’d also like to press that she never admitted to knowing she was aware of everything happening outside. If anything, she states the opposite in that particular conversation: “Traveler: The Fatui have deceived the Raiden Shogun. The Vision Hunt Decree should never have existed. Ei: Oh? Surely you didn't rouse me from my state of eternal meditation only to tell me this? If so, then you underestimate me. I am quite well-informed about the Vision Hunt Decree. You know everything that's going on outside? Ei: **Not so.** Only everything that pertains to eternity. Ei: The Vision Hunt Decree has my tacit approval. Ei: The Fatui's actions thus far do not constitute a threat to eternity, otherwise... they would have been purged long ago.” What she admits to is that she knows of the existence of the VHD and tacitly approves of it, that we shouldn’t underestimate her knowledge and that the Fatui so far haven’t done anything dangerous yet. But as I’ve covered before, the Tenryou Commission has been feeding her misinformation. Ei in this instance believes she’s in the know while actually being deceived. Which rings back to an earlier citation I had in my original comment from her act I, with her warning Takatsukasa Susumu not to commit the same act of treason, lest he lose his life to her blade, while also admitting her flawed judgments during the VHD was indeed influenced by the reports from the Tenryou Commission. As we’ve seen with the Inazuma AQ, the Sumeru AQ with Nahida and the Sages (which is actually a very similar situation to this one), and the Fontaine AQ with Focalors and the Heavenly Principles, the Gods are not omniscient, and there are things that even they cannot perceive. This expectation that Ei or any other God should naturally know of everything that’s going on in their nations I think is an overall flawed perspective that prevents a true understanding of their goals and conduct. Nahida for instance didn’t know the Sages were secretly colluding with the Fatui and plotting to create a new God by stealing dreams from the people, in that same vein I think it should be an acceptable conclusion that Ei in a similar manner could be kept in the dark about certain matters. I think both of Ei’s story quests give us a lot of good perspective into her goals, personality, morals and lore and overall character. And that they do indeed serve towards a more nuanced understanding of her conduct and the overall plot in the AQ; but I would strongly disagree in saying that the AQ relies on both her SQ’s to properly understand the AQ’s story and conflict. The AQ itself has on numerous occasions hinted that there was something fishy with the Shogun’s conduct (or lack thereof), and the Tenryou/Kanjou Commission’s behaviour. Many hints that I’ve quoted from the AQ itself to support my point. I'd say that the AQ itself gives a sufficient amount of information to understand the main plot and conflict. With how nuanced this topic is, I’d most definitely encourage a video to be made on it. Thank you again for indulging me! I hope I don’t sound too confrontational with how I present some of my points. It's just that this is a topic I’m quite passionate about as it’s very frequently not quite clearly understood by the larger community, in the worst cases often misconstrued with misconceptions and misinformation. If you have any particular thoughts again about my response, I’d be interested in hearing them!
@@coma70se My comment also kept being rejected (Thanks RUclips...) so that also slowed things down as I had to make a few revisions. RUclips does that quite often with some of my longer texts.
@shinealight322 Hey, don't hold back on my account. It's very interesting having this kind of conversation, especially with how nuanced it is. You also make a lot of strong points, and yeah, this could very well be a video or series on its own. I can see how all the smoke and mirrors from the Kujou clan and Fatui, as well as the general acceptance of the vhd and sakoku decree created a situation that perfectly explains why things happened the way they did. As much sense as it makes, I suppose it doesn't yet answer my question in the video, but to explain why that is allow me to rephrase the question: "What exact benefit did Ei see in having people stripped of their visions?" Our discussion and the AQ itself already answered this: it's likely because of the fact that she sees visions being dangerous to people because the ambition that comes with it can easily lead to death. With that in mind though, I still don't find that explanation to be sufficient. Sure, vision holders are empowered to pursue their ambitions, but realistically the fatality rate of that is hardly enough for this to be the only tangible threat. People would die, yes, but it's doubtful that the number of fatalities is large enough to justify the vhd on its own. So on top of ambitions being fatal in Ei's eyes, what else does she know about visions that could've informed her 'tacid approval' of the vhd without serving as a threat to eternity? Now, with having rephrased the line of questioning, the focus moves away from the more political aspect of the decree - not that it's not important. I think something our conversation has made me aware of is just how much relevant information was treated as secondary in the quest. I don't know if I'm making sense here but as much as you've highlighted just how much context is given in the quest, going back to the AQ itself it almost feels like the information was poorly conveyed. It's all there, but difficult to follow with all the moving parts. It reminds me of my initial first impressions of the quest - that I wished the story spent most of its time on elaborating on the politics of the clans so the general audience would more easily appreciate the payoff of learning the information about the clans' deception. This brings me to my point of her SQ. You're right, the story can stand on its own with just the AQ. I just feel like the SQ does a lot of the heavy lifting in making Ei an easier to understand character. And, her first SQ delivers on my initial desire to see more on the political front, since getting a better look at the clans creates more nuanced discussions on the state of Inazuma and it's controlling interests. Thanks for writing. Never feel worried about discussing something at length. It shows a genuine interest, and again, it's fun talking about it and going back and forth.
Tbh it's never mentioned in the game that venti goes to slumber the moment the crisis in mondstadt ends, he can stay for years or centuries in mond same way how he stayed after the aristocracy in mond ended, if he went to slumber the moment the crisis ended then he would've never had the chance to meet dvalin, the hexenzirkel, and even dainsleif wouldn't be able to see him like he said in his demo + we don't know the reason behind venti's slumbers so that's also a thing
Iirc (and I'll have to get back to you on the source for this) Venti's slumber is a means of delaying any potential erosion that might happen by limiting his time spent awake, in a similar way to Raiden's continued meditation
Lol as soon as I got here 6:45 "Skip, doesn't know shit. Ask someone else". My question for Neuvillette is were was he before getting Focalors letter, im waiting for Hoyo to drop that golden wheat field.
I feel like Venti's reasoning for hanging around is just venti being venti. We have seen Venti remain active during the reign of vanessa in his character preview and helped her about the four winds and also until her death as seen in the comics. Either that or the fact that fatui took his gnosis and how weak he had become for not staying with his people (as said in the comics and by himself in the game), made him want to change that and regain at least some form of strength to atleast protect it without a gnosis. I mean we saw him remain active even after the entire Lawrence Clan downfall for a long period of time to fix a ton of issues even after his motto was letting people be free. Now i am still not sure whether an absence of gnosis means they cant get strength from people's faith in them though.
Venti did say an archon's strength comes from their people's faith. Perhaps that would still give him some amount of strength given how faithful Mondstat is to their archon
Yeah Venti's presence is sus, I fully believe Mondstadt's going to be pretty relevant for the endgame, especially considering all the istaroth lore. Now, whether Venti knows what EXACTLY is going to happen is up in the air, but the fact that he's sticking aeound because he knows SOMETHING is going to happen... kinda sus ngl. I want to shake him and let his secrets fall out.
What bothers me is that the Fatui qre allowed in all the nations even tho everyone knows they are the nad guys, like why arent they banned all across Teyvat
I'm telling you, the Cryo archon really pulled off something major if they're still allowed to roam free without consequences, even if they cause trouble like Childe in Liyue for instance. Again, what's in that contract that everyone just let's the Fatui commit crimes without reprimand?
About Zhongli's contract with the Tsaritsa... I have a theory that SHE offered him the chance to rid him of the Gnoses, therefore cuting connection with Celestia, and basically retire from being and ancient Archon. She did it by proving to him that the people of Liyue are capable of taking care of themselves which is the only way he would agree to it. In return, Zhongli doesn't interfer with the Fatui plans against Celestia or join Celestia's side during "the great war"... IDK, I don't think it was a malicious deal between them, and although he is very cryptic, I don't believe Zhongli got strongarmed by the Tsaritsa to agree to ger terms.
Interesting line of thought there. I certainly believe it's beneficial on both ends, and your theory could make a lot of sense. I think the one thing I don't agree with is the Tsaritsa proving that Liyue could take care of itself. That very much seems like it was Liyue's own decision, especially since Childe didn't seem to be in on it - then again, I suppose there's nothing stopping her from telling him to carry out the plan that way and withholding the reason from him.
I don't have individual questions for each archons but more a general one. Why are they so passive? The Fatui (and tsaritsa) are planning to launch war at Celestia, and all the Archons know what happened last time celestia went to war (the opposite side got obliterated and cursed for life). They should either try to dissuaded the tsaritsa or taking her side to assure victory (by giving the gnosis it's more like they agreeing with her even if the game try to makes it seem they are neutral ) If the rebellion fail I don't think sneznhaya will be the only one punish. Another thing, why hide things from the traveler (zhongli and venti) since being an outsider seem to keep the rules applying on teyvat natives taking effects on him
Literally! It's incredibly suspicious isn't it? That's kind of why I'm curious about Nahida since she doesn't do that skirting around the topic thing, and also why Zhongli's contract bothers me so much. Not sure if you've seen the latest Inazuma event, but the little bread crumbs there also make me wonder why everyone seems so calm about the possibility. You also bring up a good point about any potential punishment that I hadn't considered. If they're all on board with it like they seem to be implying then they'd all be punish along side the Tsaritsa. One would thinly they'd be more concerned, no?
@@coma70se I didn't finished the event yet even if I've heard about that war thing that Ei and Miko talked about. If they all officially take the Fatui side when the time comes and since the Heavenly principal got injured I suppose they might have a chance but....
@@hirods9889 I mean I don't think they'll win in a pure fight. I'm sure what they're planning is coming down to some kind of deception, kind of like Focalors
dude, i recently returned to Genshin after 2 years just for Arlecchino (that i didn't get f you RNGsus) and i just yesterday finished Inazuma Archon Quest and man what a let down. my friend already told me that it's shitty, but experiencing it first hand is something else. just as you mentioned in the video, what even the reason Ei even allowing the Vision hunt decree to happened if she immediately changed her mind after being confronted? it's just hypocrite at that point. not to mention, "it's Fatui all along" but the execution is sooo bad and our long reunion with Signora is finished in just one fight and that's it? she's the one who stole one of our fist friend's Gnosis for go sake. speaking of Gnosis, the fact Yae just handing out Ei Gnosis to Scaramouche off screen and casually mentioning it is just bad writing. i get that they don't care about it, but at least have something substantial about it. Venti lost of Gnosis and Zhongli 4D chess plan, compared to this? what a shitshow. and also the ending. we just fought the Shogun, and then we just got exposition dump by Yae for the ending? bruh sorry if i sound so negative but it's a dissapointing mess without any high point in my opinion. at least the Tsurumi Island World Quest is much better than the Archon Quest.
You share a lot of the criticisms I had about Inazuma, so yeah, I completely understand. For better or worse they tried to retcon a lot in her first and second story quests (which I'm not a fan of) but it certainly doesn't fix it. Lowkey wish the Sacred Sakura quest was the main quest no lie. Still though, welcome back to Genshin! Hope Inazuma doesn't discourage you too much, since the story picks up so incredibly well from here and the writing is significantly stronger.
Yeah hope u complete the rest of the archon quest from what i heard the reason inazuma's story is so bad is cus the main story writer left halfway through it but now the story is getting better and better
@@coma70se now I'm curious with what they retcon because i just started Ei story quest. Yeah the side quests in Inazuma in particular shows the lack of care in the Archon Quest because holy mother of god most of it is awesome. Of course, it doesn't discourage me because from what my friend told me Sumeru Archon Quest is prettying strong so I'm looking forward to it. Not gonna lie it's love hate relationship with Genshin, i love the world and the character but i haaateeee some of the more mechanical enemy (this is my problem cuz I'm dumb 😭)
@@ilhamadigunawan5264 Regarding her quests, they try to recontextualize her character which kind of backfired since it contradicted everything they set up with her, but you'll see for yourself. As for the mechanical enemies in the game... Well... Good luck with that 🙂
@@ridenenaji so that's why. it's still dissapointing because the thought of having Baal/Beelzebub that locking their nation down is soo facinating back then.
About Raiden Ei, Idk why people can't understand that gods, atleast in genshin, can be wrong. Ei was never meant to rule Inazuma and/or Persue eternity, she was a warrior and all she knew was how to fight and take extreme decisions. When Makoto died she tries to preserve her persuit in the only way she knew how, which extreme decisions. This one note persuit was the catalyst for everything that happened in Inazuma. Yes, she was wrong, she realized that when the traveler showed her the power of people's ambitions. She was absolutely a villan for the story and there condition doesn't justify the atrocities committed. But one thing is clear she was not a badly written character at all.
I'd almost agree if the archon quest's portrayal of her matched up with her story quest. Honestly, everything regarding Ei after the AQ is good imo and I've gained an appreciation of her over time. It's less that I think she's badly written, and more that Inazuma in general is badly written for me. Kokomi, Ayaka, and Ayato are the other characters in the story I feel were done dirty just like Raiden.
As for ei.. she did lock inazuma down and promised her people a neverchanging eternity.. an eternal peace as well.. having visions wouldn’t have any use to help that unchanging eternity.. but it could harm it, so whats the point of having it? She then changed her mind about everything and took her twin sis believes
@@unknown-oe8jg what exact benefit did Ei see in the vision hunt decree? She likely wouldn't have approved of it if she didn't see something outside of what she heard from the Raiden Shogun puppet
@@coma70se she knew the fatui are involed and she knew the poeple most likely hated the idea.. she thought it was a matter of time and they’ll accept it, she thought if they have no need to use a vision, and a vision could be fallen in the wrong hands, then why not stop the whole vision thing? It would make inazuma a safer place, they are in eternal peace era, no one need to be portected by the vision, it will only harm people by time, she wanted them to live their short lives happely and peacfully, so her goal of the whole thing was to make inazuma safer and completly peacfull
@@unknown-oe8jg One would think that and yet the idea didn't come up for 400+ years until the Fatui got involved. I get that they would've convinced her, but there has to be something about visions that we don't know that got her to agree to it at that point after so many years of not doing it. I don't know if I'm making sense
I believe it's because Furina is mortal rather than being an archon and Focalors existed long before the archon war 500 years prior vs Nahida who is an actual archon and only came about after the fact.
Oh true, since we're not entirely sure how Celestia will respond to it. All we know is that Neuvillette prevented the people from drowning by making them human
Moreover, Furina might also get charged with the sins of destroying the Hydro Archon's Divine Throne and giving his Authority back to Neuvillette. Because as far as we know, Furina IS still one of Foçalors halves. Even if she's human, her body is still Foçalors, and she even ruled Fontaine for 500 years as a Foçalors.
@@joyhammer3148 Not to mention, Foçalors set Furina up to be perceived as the archon. I have a feeling that Natlan (depending on if the archon is alive) might answer the question on what Celestia sees regarding the archons. Maybe Celestia might not be able to see the archons themselves but only the gnosis.
@@coma70se it's a possibility. Another question that would be really relevant is "Why isn't Celestia reacting so far in the story?" Nahida said the Sustainer is asleep since Khaenri'ah, but the Sustainer can't be the only god residing up there, right? In the manga, Venti thought about 3 figures when Venessa asked him to tell her more about Celestia, meaning there should be AT LEAST 3 more gods in there other than the Sustainer. So why aren't they saying anything, when so many world-threatening BS is happening in less than 4 years? The Abyss Order committing pure blasphemy by corrupting Barbatos' statue; Osial being freed and menacing one of the Seven territories, while an Archon decides to quit his job; the Fatui extensively using gods' remains on humanity; the Fatui and the Akademiya giving birth to a new god after stealing another Nation's Gnosis, while threatening the Dendro Archon's life (the most IMPORTANT individual on Teyvat due to being Irminsul's incarnation and manager); the Hydro Archon not only destroying the Hydro Divine Throne up there in Celestia, thus wrecking up the whole Seven system, but also returning her Authority to a Sovereign; and then the Tsaritsa threatening other Nations and collecting all of the Gnoses... So many things might have disrupted Teyvat so far when you actually think about it, so why aren't the other gods in Celestia reacting?
I don’t think Zhongli is actually one. He takes the form of one since he is prime of adepti. Also dragons are really territorial so there’s never been a time where they would band together because they can be som egotistical
I doubt Zhongli is a dragon in the traditional sense. He can change forms as an adeptus, but he isn't a dragon sovereign and his powers came from the previous sovereigns, meaning it is not necessarily his own to wield. Neuvi might see that as an error to correct or a crime to judge, which would explain that voice line.
Ei was well inform about the vision hunt decree she was blind about the effects the the kojou clan filter those information thus not reach ei's , i therefore conclude your ideas didnt make sense at all i think you need to review what you are saying your summoning hates from fans towards ei
Actually no. Sure I concede I phrased my question incorrectly, but I've really only had a constructive conversation with people about it. And really she was only 'well infromed' to the extent that covered eternity - which is why it kicked up so much conflict as a result.
Wasted a question with Ei really, she confirms later on her own story quest that she _thought_ that she knew what was going on outside, and that she _does not_ know everything, it having her "tacit" approval confirms that she wasn't even communicating with the whole ordeal. In the Archon Quest we even get the fake letters that were delivered to the Shogun Puppet saying that "Everything was going perfect" and that she shouldn't worry about it, and Ei herself is obviously limited to what the Shogun Puppet knows, aka she was given false information.
_"Finally, if you still think you can copy the Fatui's strategy of providing me with deceptive information to produce flaws in my judgment...You will see me appear once again as I have done today - only next time, my blade will show no mercy."_
She also has shown remorse on the fact that the people suffered in the war in the recent event and and in her second quest she expresses how much pain the people's sacrifices caused her, you could say in a way that the Vision Hunt Decree happened simply because she was being overprotective of her nation, as she didn't let them chase their ambition as their lives would be lost following them, but she overlooked that sacrificing for something was a human choice.
_"The people's sacrifice has always caused me immense pain, but in dwelling on the tragedy, I overlooked their splendor... The grief blinded me to how brightly they shone in their final moments."_
I think a far more interesting question to ask her is what's her relation to the "higher power" she mentioned? or does she know the whereabouts of the Electro Sovereign? Or what is exactly the thing below being contained in the Sacred Sakura Tree? She also implied that she knew what was going on behind the scenes when giving visions, that could be formulated into a question. Or maybe even what on hell is she? "Lightning incarnation" ok sure but how old is she? Does she have a "parent" or something similar, etc, etc. Does she actually posses the Electro Authority? All of her power seems to come from pure, raw, martial prowess alongside her innate elemental power so does she actually is in possession of the authority?
I suppose I should make my actual question more clear regarding this. My question is more along the lines of why it had her approval. As in: what benefit did she see in the vision hunt decree? For it to have gained her approval, there should have been a benefit she saw in stripping people of their visions beyond what was told to her by the puppet and the Kujou clan. As for what that is, that's why I'm curious. I don't know if I'm making much sense here, but I don't think it would've been approved if there wasn't something she knew about visions that we currently don't know - something that, in her mind, was good enough reasoning to take such a drastic action.
As for your questions, I consider them to be really good and fairly strong questions. Personally I didn't ask about her having a "parent" because I didn't see it being relevant to her current rule as an archon, and I have a feeling that the "higher power" in question is the heavenly principles. As for where her power comes from, Venti said in the beginning of the game that an archon gains their strength from their citizens' belief in them. People believe very strongly in the Shogun and so I imagine her power spawns from there. Iirc, the Sakura tree contained excess elemental energy as a result of the nature of the seed that was planted - which carried the remnant of Makoto within itself waiting for the time which Ei would be ready to receive her sister's last words.
I think the Remuria story mentioned that, while Egeria was acting as the heart of the primordial sea, the hydro dragon was unable to reincarnate so that's why Neuvillette was only able to be "born" after her death. So yeah, while Neuvillette has memories of his past life, he's pretty much just 500 years old
I recall that and thought it set a pretty interesting precedent regarding the other potential sovereigns in the future - for instance that might yield information on where Inazuma's dragon is as well
He’s 1000 years old
"Well aware" within what the fatui told her lol. Ei *thought* she knew what was going on but she didn't really.
Also, Nuvilleute didn't exist before Egeria, Because he sort of was Egeria lol. She was the replacement for the hydro dragon. So they couldn't / didn't need to reincarnate until she died.
She did know about how her people didn’t like it tho.. she just thought it was a matter of time tell they accept it
i feel like venti was always "hanging around" he was always in his bard state or he always used to but slept for a while and returned to being the bard again like even now the locals of mandstat think hes in hibernation only some officials know his identity
Yup, that's where my thinking is too
even though ei said she was “well-informed” about the vhd, the information she had received is most likely to have been falsified as it was reported by the tenryou commission. The same official of that commission colluded with the fatui and deliberately left out info about the war and the resistance in the documents so it’s highly possible that he provided deceptive info about the vhd too.
Of course right, but I can't help but consider that as an archon, even if she didn't know what the Fatui were doing, the consequences of the vision hunt decree would be glaringly obvious as a threat to the eternity she so strongly went on about, especially since the story spent so much time building her up as someone who would be able to forsee such a consequence, especially after a full year of it going on.
@@coma70se i mean she herself thought the vhd was a correct approach to eternity. This idea was suggested by the fatui to sell delusions and destabilize inazuma so they convinced or manipulated the puppet into believing that it does not pose a threat to eternity. Later when she talked to the traveler in the plane of euthymia she basically said that no one would lose their life from their visions being taken away but rather lose their lives from pursuing their aspirations.
This could imply that she did not know the worst cases of the effect on people after their visions being taken away because some people like itto weren’t affected and kuki willingly handed it as well.
If she did know then it wouldn’t be a surprise
since she as their ruler and god would think that it’s logical to sacrifice a minority of her people to protect inazuma as a whole from the wrath of celestia as she herself has witnessed.
about your last statement, i don’t think genshin depicts her out to be someone who can foresee consequences but rather they highlight her “strength” instead of “intelligence” unlike what they did with focalor
@@rat9958 you bring up a fair point honestly. I think what irks me so much about it, and why I have such a hard time rationalizing her logic is because of how quickly all of the irrational events suddenly happen. After over 400 years of doing nothing (related to the vhd), the Fatui come along and propose it as a good idea and the archon of the nation didn't think about it beyond what what's so suddenly presented to her? By extention, there would've been a year under the vhd and the Sakoku decree and supposedly everything is supposed to have been fine without her once personally looking into it? Also, her first sq highlights her perspective on eternity as she is resistant to the idea of change. Again, after centuries of continuous rule, drastic changes happen in her nation and Ei, the one so against change, doesn't once figure that there's potential problems in her continued pursuit of eternity?
@@coma70se i believe 500 years would not be that long for someone like her, not to mention she was doing nothing but meditating so her wounds may have been fresh. although the vhd happened for a year, it may have been proposed longer before as the fatui have been plotting in inazuma for centuries prior to both the vhd and sd. As of now we don’t really know everything about visions, they could be bad or good but ei in fact does know a lot more than us . In her voice lines she mentions that she is subject to constraints about the topic of vision and there is another side to it other than desire. Perhaps this is why she thought it was a good idea as she may have other reasons that she cannot share on why visions should be taken away.
Both decrees in her eyes are for the better of inazuma so even though it may contradict her idea of eternity, a small change( to her) would be worth it as it would provide a greater stasis for inazuma.
Ultimately it did harm her own people and she still has her part in those decrees. She also continues to realize her flawed view of eternity in her second sq. and she is making amends for her mistakes
@@rat9958 One would think the vhd being proposed over an extended period of time would allow room for consideration about potential consequences, not to mention it doesn't address the logic of her unending pursuit of eternity.
As for visions, considering how apprehensive she seems about Celestia, I fully agree with you on that front.
Now as for the idea of stasis, you're actually not wrong. Iirc, the story does highlight the idea that stasis might have been what she was pursuing. This is also backed up by the Sakoku decree also being put into effect at that time. My only problem with that line of logic is the rebellion and subsequent war that resulted from it (however small the scale) did pose a threat to that ideal, again creating a fallacy in logic.
I understand, and even agree with a lot of your thoughts, but can't help but feel like the actual writing failed the idea itself - which is unfortunate considering that it left that bad of an impression on many fronts as a result of the failed execution. It was ambitious and they fell on their sword, leading to somewhat of a weak story. Even still, I do appreciate what they've done with Ei as a character since. I certainly am looking forward to seeing more of her since I feel like there's a lot of potential to be explored with her and her ideals.
Propably venti is waiting for the rebellion of the divine subconciosly to truly free the people of teyvat
Neuvillete said something or hinted at being real old from the recent lantern rite event. I don't remember what he said exactly, but there were some interesting lore bits from that event, especially pertaining to his relationship his our favourite geo daddy Deus Auri
I don't remember what he said so I'd look into it, but Zhongli's reaction has me wondering on his exact thoughts about Neuvillette
It is stated in the description of the fontain wings glider as well as the most recent world quest in Remuria that after the death of the previous hydro sovereign, it was unable to reborn due to the existence of Egeria taking its place as the 'heart of the primordial sea'. Thus only about 500 years ago when egeria died due to the cataclysm did Neuvillette reborn, possessing no knowledge of his previous life. Neuvillette does gain more knowledge after gaining back his authority, but most of the memory of the previous hydro sovereign is still lost.
I understand what was preventing him from returning as dragon sovereign. My line of questioning was more about what exactly was he before Egeria died. I can't help but feel like whatever state he was in could answer a few questions about the other sovereigns in the world, like the electro one for instance (since the remuria quest insinuates that they would've been in a different form somewhere within the primordial sea, but Neuvillette seems to hold no knowledge about this)
As i understand the hydro sovereign couldnt restart their cycle while egeria was inside the primordial sea, and she came out after remuria's fall. So the hydro dragon (dunno if is the same neuvillete) could only reincarnate after that moment.
@@MaxJey2 from what I understand, it's not the same Neuvillette as he refers to the dragon that came before him as a different entity
Good evening, I’m quite pleased to see a new video of yours again after quite some time! You mentioned some pretty interesting points, but the reason I’m writing this is that amongst the questions that were raised in this video, I feel like the one brought up for Inazuma has a definitive answer already unlike the other ones. This is probably gonna turn out to be a rather lengthy comment, but as to engage with your video further in a constructive manner, and to support my perspective with ample enough information, I’d like to expound on that thought, as I feel this is an area of Genshin’s main plot that isn’t clearly understood very often. To answer your main question: What was the point of Inazuma’s Vision Hunt Decree? Well, from the Fatui’s side of things: it was to destabilize Inazuma through secretly colluding with its government and to create a black market for Delusions, which they would give to Watatsumi Soldiers along with supplies in order to prolong the war on both sides.
For the two clans that were colluding with the Fatui: the Kujou and Hiiragi clan, it was a power move in order to receive generous rewards from the Fatui while also cracking down on rival clans that covet the positions of the clans leading the Commissions.
From Ei and the Raiden Shogun’s perspective: it was a decree formulated by the Fatui and suggested to the Shogun Puppet by Kujou Takayuki (previous Kujou clan head), which Ei tacitly (so without words or acknowledgement) agreed with since in her mind, it is inline with her view of Eternity. Her belief that excessive yearning leads to inevitable destruction find its roots in the Khaenri’ah disaster, which were comprised of people whose ambitions lied in messing with dangerous forces like the Abyss and Forbidden Knowledge in their quest to rebel against the dominion of the Gods, which resulted in their eventual downfall and devastation brought to other nations. Along with the Heavenly Principles stepping in and punishing them severely for it. Fearing for both her nation and its people, removing Visions from the equation, which represents ambition, would then serve to remove an element of instability from her ideal of Eternity and prevent excessive suffering for her subjects from her point of view as she explains in the Plane of Euthymia.
My main disagreement with this section of the video is the idea that Ei was aware of pretty much everything that was happening, which is a point that takes both very large leaps of assumptions and is contradictory to the actual plot of the AQ and her characterization. And to showcase that, I’ll raise several contradictions that arise from that particular understanding to see what I mean more closely:
The fact that the Raiden Shogun didn't join her army on the battlefield/never said anything about the war as Ayaka notes in the 3rd act wouldn't make sense, considering she's the nation's protector deity and has been an active participant in pacifying militaristic matters and protecting Inazuma like she had done for 2000+ years. Furthermore, her attitude towards threats to her people and ideal of Eternity is something further expressed in the item description of Narukami’s Valor: “The treasure of the lord of thunder is her majesty, and that majesty is embodied in her valor and wrath. Her wrath comes from the love that persists in her heart, and her valor supports that anger. Thus, whomsoever should block the path towards eternity or lay a finger on Inazuma's people shall become her foe.
They say that there were four great spirits, three divine foxes, and two great swords - but that the symbol of Her Excellency, the Almighty Narukami Ogosho, could only be a single strike, unsurpassed and brilliant as a meteor.”
Ei herself, in the dialogue that you displayed, said that she doesn't know everything that's going on outside. Which alludes to the Tenryou Commission’s role in feeding her and the puppet misinformation through the domestic reports sent to the throne that we obtain from Kujou Takayuki’s office in order to hide the existence of the civil war, leaving out any information regarding their collusion, hiding any mentions of Sangonomiya or the situation on the frontline, and the decree’s overall reception, which can be read here: ''The brilliant lightning reaches across Inazuma, displaying the eternal path of our Almighty Narukami Ogosho to the distant seas and spreading her name across the land.
Your devoted servant, Kujou Takayuki of the Tenryou Commission, humbly submits this memorandum
The Vision Hunt Decree exceeds without obstacles (Lie number 1). O Almighty Ogosho, at your mercy and might all delusions waste away, those who have fled return, (Lie number 2)
and all your people welcome the inspections, (Lie number 3) indeed, even in their hearts.
All of Inazuma is at peace thanks to your divine power (Lie number 4) , Your Excellency.''
And this gets further confirmed by act I of her story quest where Ei says and I quote: “Ei: Finally, if you still think you can copy the Fatui's strategy of providing me with deceptive information to produce flaws in my judgment… You will see me appear once again as I have done today - only next time, my blade will show no mercy.”
In which she admits herself that the Fatui's strategy of feeding her false reports produced flaws in her judgment.
Furthermore, her pursuit of Eternity, which was meant to prevent her people from prematurely losing their lives, would make less sense as she would be supporting a war that was killing her own people and delusion distribution which has been shown to reduce their user's life force. As Ei's Character story 2 notes, the purpose of the Shogun puppet is to defend Inazuma eternally. And as Ei herself states in her Act I story quest: "Yes, you're right. I'm wary of any and all change, but I do not wish for my pursuit of Eternity to stop human lives for changing for the better."
Ei punishing the previous Kujou and Hiiragi Clan heads to the degree that she did after the Inazuma AQ quest, despite in this scenario, supporting the Fatui's actions and being aware of them wouldn't make sense. In her first story quest, they were literally in the process of awaiting trial before the Shogun for colluding with the Fatui and nearly destroying all of Inazuma, which in retrospect would be an odd notion if she stood behind what the Fatui and the two corrupt clans were doing. Ei has also said in that same Story Quest that she only intended to put control over Inazuma in the Shogun's hands and not anyone else's. Which would naturally also include the Fatui.
And while this isn’t grounded in anything the game actually states, from a writing and pacing perspective, making us go through one-third of the AQ to find the evidence of this conspiracy wouldn't make sense if she already knew everything and would make everything in it redundant. I think it’s agreeable that Inazuma was pretty shaky in its writing and pacing, and that certain aspects of both most definitely could have been improved, but that segment of the AQ had a clear purpose that was neither contradicted or opposed by any of her characterization.
Thank you for taking the time to read through this comment if you have. If you have any inquiries about this topic or any point I made here, I’d be happy to further discuss them with you!
Holy... thanks for the reply. I appreciate your input and since it involves Inazuma I can't say I'm too surprised. I'll work my way from the bottom since I do believe you have quite the interesting perspective and highlighted some points that I certainly could've addressed - of course this could be a video on it's on.
With act 1 of the AQ, I do fully see the importance of showing the impact of losing visions. In fact, I consider it to have been done incredibly well. My main issue with this is that Inazuma's AQ was the first time that an Archon was presented as an active protector of the people (where Zhongli and Venti were portrayed as having a laid back approach to this.) Being an active protector, one would think that bearing witness to the negative effects of the decree and subsequent war would either encourage some stronger reaction or more action from her.
Which brings me to the concept of Eternity as it's presented by the AQ vs Raiden's SQ. It Felt somewhat inconsistent, making it unclear why she was so willing to let the events of the war happen under the notion of pursuing Eternity. On surface level a war would surely go against it, and on a principled stance her pursuit of an "unchanging Eternity" while allowing events that undoubtedly contradict that is what generated this confusion for me.
In her Character Story 1, the quote "Then, while things are still good, let us have stillness... Let us march towards Eternity." would almost make sense if didn't contradict the state of affairs in the AQ; being a war that was meant to weaken Inazuma as a nation and had severe negative effects due to war and the loss of visions.
In her first SQ it is clarified that her pursuit of Eternity is really an unwillingness to allow for change - which the decree certainly contradicted. She realized that she was hampering the lives of humans for her pursuit of Eternity, which was good, but only came after people who really opposed such changes stepped forward.
Now we could make the argument that her hundreds of years spent in meditation might have blinded her to the effects of her actions on the people of Inazuma. To that, I'd have to say I agree. This, however, makes her reasoning in act 3 of the AQ even more flawed, because her saying that she was aware of everything and only considered it from the perspective of Eternity makes even less sense when you consider her idea of what constitutes Eternity.
If she truly believed the Fatui posed no threat to Eternity, then her intent to punish the Hiiragi and Kujou clan heads contradicts that statement on her pursuit of Eternity. Now, I will be fair to her and note that the clan heads were feeding false information to the Shogun, and it was this misinformation that allowed it to continue for so long without resistance from the puppet.
I actually think her second SQ did a good job at highlighting the differences in perspective from Ei herself and the puppet. If we look at it with this in mind then it almost makes sense. Almost. As we can assume the Raiden Shogun puppet was merely telling Ei that there was no issue in the puppet's eyes. But even then I have issues with the enforcement of the decree itself.
Inazuma went on for centuries under her rule before the notion of confiscating visions ever came into play, and it went on for about a year - a year of the damaging effects of the decree and eventual war being put on display, blatantly contradicting Eternity as Raiden describes it.
I fully understand the Fatui's intent with their interferences, but what I ultimately don't understand was how Raiden could've ever seen any kind of benefit in letting it happen either from her perspective or from the perspective of the Inazumans.
I think my main issue though, is that so much of the AQ's story and conflict relies on additional content. Without her SQ I can't say that I'd understand her perspective, and without that I couldn't even make these justifications for anything.
Man, I didn't expect to write out such a long response, but I am really passionate about Inazuma because I could debate literally everything there to no end.
Again, thanks for your response and perspective, talking these things out is always so interesting to me.
@@coma70se Thanks for your reply also, and apologies for the delayed reply, got quite hooked on Windtrace haha. I appreciate it! As for the response you have given me, I’ll also work my way down and offer my perspective, as I feel there are a number of points that I think should be handled.
Despite the rather inconsistent nature of losing one’s Vision, like in the cases of Kuki, Itto and a few NPC's, I do indeed agree that the possible effects of losing one was done quite effectively. You’re right in thinking that an active protector God not taking any action despite there being such chaos going on is quite odd. But I think what you may be missing is that this is a question the story itself poses and answers:
In act I, A Flower Blooms in a Prison, we learn several key details from Ayaka which will become important later. We first learn that the Shogun puppet doesn’t appear in public very often, with most appearances Ayaka witnessed being her attending formal ceremonies. We then learn that the vast majority of people in Inazuma take a stance of indifference towards the Vision Hunt Decree because it only affects a small number of people. And lastly, we learn that the Yashiro Commission has tried numerous times to raise a formal objection towards the VHD, but that each time the request arrives at Tenshukaku, the Tenryou and Kanjou Commission always veto the request, which causes it to be subsequently scrapped. When you also consider that in Ei’s act I it is stated that the Tri-Commission’s duty is to provide information for the Shogun in order for her to make effective judgements, then it’s quite clear to see what is happening here. The Tenryou and Kanjou Commission are preventing any information regarding the civil war and any problems that have arisen with the decree from reaching the Shogun puppet and Ei, because if it did, the Shogun would act immediately, which would go against their plans. Miko as well says as much in the third act after presenting the evidence of treason to Kujou Sara in Blind Loyalty, Reckless Courage:
“(The Official Tenryou Commission Document is shown)
Kujou Sara: ...I see this document bears the official seal of the head of the Kujou Clan. And it doesn't look like a forgery... I don't understand... Not a single word about the resistance, Sangonomiya, or the situation on the front line… What about the soldiers who gave their lives on the front line, or the hardship endured by the people? Do they deserve no mention!? Utter disregard for human life. Why would they want to hide it?
Yae Miko: For the sake of the Vision Hunt Decree, of course. **Don't you think the Shogun might reconsider her policy if all of the things you just mentioned appeared in this report?**
Kujou Sara: So the Tenryou Commission... **They are deliberately deceiving the Shogun?**
Yae Miko: Yes. Now... who else do you think might be benefiting from the Vision Hunt Decree?
Traveler: I also have a confidential letter here.
Paimon: This is a letter from the Tenryou Commission to the Fatui. The head of the Kujou Clan kept this a secret from the Shogun, too.”
In Inazuma’s third act of the AQ, Sword, Fish, Resistance, Kokomi also states that the Shogun and Tenryou Commission’s attitude doesn’t add up:
“Sangonomiya Kokomi: The mere existence of the Vision Hunt Decree is baffling. **The Tenryou Commission's attitude just doesn't seem to add up, and neither does the Shogun's. The Tenryou Commission's zealous support for the decree seemed to come out of nowhere. And the Shogun seems completely indifferent to the fact that it has effectively caused a civil war…** I suspect the Vision Hunt Decree won't end until these mysteries are solved. All I can say for certain is that as long as the Vision Hunt Decree remains in force, we will never give up our fight.”
Ayaka later on into this act also says something to similar and more conclusive effect in act III, Proof of Guilt, twice:
“Kamisato Ayaka: Now that you mention it, there is one thing that has always concerned me. The Shogun's Army has been at war with the resistance for a long time now, **but not once has the Shogun ever inquired about it.** **I used to think that she simply didn't care, but looking at it now, perhaps the problem all along has been with the Tenryou Commission's reports to the Shogun.**
Paimon: What do you mean?
Kamisato Ayaka: The Tenryou Commission presides over domestic military affairs. If they ever had any intention of **concealing information in their reports** , we would have no way of knowing. Meanwhile, **the Shogun would incorrectly conclude that the Vision Hunt Decree poses no threat, and would stick to her decision.** If we had access to their reports, it would confirm everything.
Thoma: But as I recall, the only person authorized to access that kind of official documentation is Kujou Takayuki.”
After we obtain the secret documents:
“Kamisato Ayaka: This sealed envelope must be an official report that the Tenryou Commission is preparing to present to the Shogun. In addition, we have... correspondence with the Fatui. It seems that Guuji Yae was right. They have been fomenting unrest behind the scenes.”
With the people taking a stance of indifference towards the Decree, with the Tenryou and Kanjou Commission covering up their secret collusion with the Fatui, the civil war, and the overall effects of the Decree and with the Shogun herself not appearing in public much, spending most time in Tenshukaku, it’s not hard to imagine how this entire situation was kept secret from the Shogun and Ei for an entire year.
Moving on, I don’t think her concept of Eternity as presented by the AQ and the SQ have any differences. The civil war as I said before was kept a secret from the puppet and Ei, and the letter that I cited in my original comment shows the Tenryou Commission was intent on convincing them that all of Inazuma was at peace and that there were no problems that have arisen with the decree whatsoever. If she were informed of everything, it’s very likely she would take action since that isn’t inline with her view of Eternity, which is supposed to prevent excessive suffering for her subjects.
I’d also like to press that she never admitted to knowing she was aware of everything happening outside. If anything, she states the opposite in that particular conversation:
“Traveler: The Fatui have deceived the Raiden Shogun. The Vision Hunt Decree should never have existed.
Ei: Oh? Surely you didn't rouse me from my state of eternal meditation only to tell me this? If so, then you underestimate me. I am quite well-informed about the Vision Hunt Decree.
You know everything that's going on outside?
Ei: **Not so.** Only everything that pertains to eternity.
Ei: The Vision Hunt Decree has my tacit approval.
Ei: The Fatui's actions thus far do not constitute a threat to eternity, otherwise... they would have been purged long ago.”
What she admits to is that she knows of the existence of the VHD and tacitly approves of it, that we shouldn’t underestimate her knowledge and that the Fatui so far haven’t done anything dangerous yet. But as I’ve covered before, the Tenryou Commission has been feeding her misinformation. Ei in this instance believes she’s in the know while actually being deceived. Which rings back to an earlier citation I had in my original comment from her act I, with her warning Takatsukasa Susumu not to commit the same act of treason, lest he lose his life to her blade, while also admitting her flawed judgments during the VHD was indeed influenced by the reports from the Tenryou Commission.
As we’ve seen with the Inazuma AQ, the Sumeru AQ with Nahida and the Sages (which is actually a very similar situation to this one), and the Fontaine AQ with Focalors and the Heavenly Principles, the Gods are not omniscient, and there are things that even they cannot perceive. This expectation that Ei or any other God should naturally know of everything that’s going on in their nations I think is an overall flawed perspective that prevents a true understanding of their goals and conduct. Nahida for instance didn’t know the Sages were secretly colluding with the Fatui and plotting to create a new God by stealing dreams from the people, in that same vein I think it should be an acceptable conclusion that Ei in a similar manner could be kept in the dark about certain matters.
I think both of Ei’s story quests give us a lot of good perspective into her goals, personality, morals and lore and overall character. And that they do indeed serve towards a more nuanced understanding of her conduct and the overall plot in the AQ; but I would strongly disagree in saying that the AQ relies on both her SQ’s to properly understand the AQ’s story and conflict. The AQ itself has on numerous occasions hinted that there was something fishy with the Shogun’s conduct (or lack thereof), and the Tenryou/Kanjou Commission’s behaviour. Many hints that I’ve quoted from the AQ itself to support my point. I'd say that the AQ itself gives a sufficient amount of information to understand the main plot and conflict. With how nuanced this topic is, I’d most definitely encourage a video to be made on it.
Thank you again for indulging me! I hope I don’t sound too confrontational with how I present some of my points. It's just that this is a topic I’m quite passionate about as it’s very frequently not quite clearly understood by the larger community, in the worst cases often misconstrued with misconceptions and misinformation. If you have any particular thoughts again about my response, I’d be interested in hearing them!
@@coma70se My comment also kept being rejected (Thanks RUclips...) so that also slowed things down as I had to make a few revisions. RUclips does that quite often with some of my longer texts.
@shinealight322 Hey, don't hold back on my account. It's very interesting having this kind of conversation, especially with how nuanced it is. You also make a lot of strong points, and yeah, this could very well be a video or series on its own.
I can see how all the smoke and mirrors from the Kujou clan and Fatui, as well as the general acceptance of the vhd and sakoku decree created a situation that perfectly explains why things happened the way they did. As much sense as it makes, I suppose it doesn't yet answer my question in the video, but to explain why that is allow me to rephrase the question:
"What exact benefit did Ei see in having people stripped of their visions?"
Our discussion and the AQ itself already answered this: it's likely because of the fact that she sees visions being dangerous to people because the ambition that comes with it can easily lead to death. With that in mind though, I still don't find that explanation to be sufficient.
Sure, vision holders are empowered to pursue their ambitions, but realistically the fatality rate of that is hardly enough for this to be the only tangible threat. People would die, yes, but it's doubtful that the number of fatalities is large enough to justify the vhd on its own.
So on top of ambitions being fatal in Ei's eyes, what else does she know about visions that could've informed her 'tacid approval' of the vhd without serving as a threat to eternity?
Now, with having rephrased the line of questioning, the focus moves away from the more political aspect of the decree - not that it's not important. I think something our conversation has made me aware of is just how much relevant information was treated as secondary in the quest. I don't know if I'm making sense here but as much as you've highlighted just how much context is given in the quest, going back to the AQ itself it almost feels like the information was poorly conveyed. It's all there, but difficult to follow with all the moving parts.
It reminds me of my initial first impressions of the quest - that I wished the story spent most of its time on elaborating on the politics of the clans so the general audience would more easily appreciate the payoff of learning the information about the clans' deception.
This brings me to my point of her SQ. You're right, the story can stand on its own with just the AQ. I just feel like the SQ does a lot of the heavy lifting in making Ei an easier to understand character. And, her first SQ delivers on my initial desire to see more on the political front, since getting a better look at the clans creates more nuanced discussions on the state of Inazuma and it's controlling interests.
Thanks for writing. Never feel worried about discussing something at length. It shows a genuine interest, and again, it's fun talking about it and going back and forth.
Tbh it's never mentioned in the game that venti goes to slumber the moment the crisis in mondstadt ends, he can stay for years or centuries in mond same way how he stayed after the aristocracy in mond ended, if he went to slumber the moment the crisis ended then he would've never had the chance to meet dvalin, the hexenzirkel, and even dainsleif wouldn't be able to see him like he said in his demo + we don't know the reason behind venti's slumbers so that's also a thing
Iirc (and I'll have to get back to you on the source for this) Venti's slumber is a means of delaying any potential erosion that might happen by limiting his time spent awake, in a similar way to Raiden's continued meditation
Lol as soon as I got here 6:45 "Skip, doesn't know shit. Ask someone else". My question for Neuvillette is were was he before getting Focalors letter, im waiting for Hoyo to drop that golden wheat field.
I love your video!💕
Thank you very much! I appreciate it 😁
I feel like Venti's reasoning for hanging around is just venti being venti. We have seen Venti remain active during the reign of vanessa in his character preview and helped her about the four winds and also until her death as seen in the comics.
Either that or the fact that fatui took his gnosis and how weak he had become for not staying with his people (as said in the comics and by himself in the game), made him want to change that and regain at least some form of strength to atleast protect it without a gnosis. I mean we saw him remain active even after the entire Lawrence Clan downfall for a long period of time to fix a ton of issues even after his motto was letting people be free.
Now i am still not sure whether an absence of gnosis means they cant get strength from people's faith in them though.
Venti did say an archon's strength comes from their people's faith. Perhaps that would still give him some amount of strength given how faithful Mondstat is to their archon
Yeah Venti's presence is sus, I fully believe Mondstadt's going to be pretty relevant for the endgame, especially considering all the istaroth lore. Now, whether Venti knows what EXACTLY is going to happen is up in the air, but the fact that he's sticking aeound because he knows SOMETHING is going to happen... kinda sus ngl. I want to shake him and let his secrets fall out.
Hey, we are still due his second story quest and a Mondstat expansion
What bothers me is that the Fatui qre allowed in all the nations even tho everyone knows they are the nad guys, like why arent they banned all across Teyvat
I'm telling you, the Cryo archon really pulled off something major if they're still allowed to roam free without consequences, even if they cause trouble like Childe in Liyue for instance. Again, what's in that contract that everyone just let's the Fatui commit crimes without reprimand?
About Zhongli's contract with the Tsaritsa... I have a theory that SHE offered him the chance to rid him of the Gnoses, therefore cuting connection with Celestia, and basically retire from being and ancient Archon. She did it by proving to him that the people of Liyue are capable of taking care of themselves which is the only way he would agree to it.
In return, Zhongli doesn't interfer with the Fatui plans against Celestia or join Celestia's side during "the great war"...
IDK, I don't think it was a malicious deal between them, and although he is very cryptic, I don't believe Zhongli got strongarmed by the Tsaritsa to agree to ger terms.
Interesting line of thought there. I certainly believe it's beneficial on both ends, and your theory could make a lot of sense. I think the one thing I don't agree with is the Tsaritsa proving that Liyue could take care of itself. That very much seems like it was Liyue's own decision, especially since Childe didn't seem to be in on it - then again, I suppose there's nothing stopping her from telling him to carry out the plan that way and withholding the reason from him.
I don't have individual questions for each archons but more a general one.
Why are they so passive?
The Fatui (and tsaritsa) are planning to launch war at Celestia, and all the Archons know what happened last time celestia went to war (the opposite side got obliterated and cursed for life).
They should either try to dissuaded the tsaritsa or taking her side to assure victory (by giving the gnosis it's more like they agreeing with her even if the game try to makes it seem they are neutral )
If the rebellion fail I don't think sneznhaya will be the only one punish.
Another thing, why hide things from the traveler (zhongli and venti) since being an outsider seem to keep the rules applying on teyvat natives taking effects on him
Literally! It's incredibly suspicious isn't it? That's kind of why I'm curious about Nahida since she doesn't do that skirting around the topic thing, and also why Zhongli's contract bothers me so much.
Not sure if you've seen the latest Inazuma event, but the little bread crumbs there also make me wonder why everyone seems so calm about the possibility.
You also bring up a good point about any potential punishment that I hadn't considered. If they're all on board with it like they seem to be implying then they'd all be punish along side the Tsaritsa. One would thinly they'd be more concerned, no?
@@coma70se I didn't finished the event yet even if I've heard about that war thing that Ei and Miko talked about.
If they all officially take the Fatui side when the time comes and since the Heavenly principal got injured I suppose they might have a chance but....
@@hirods9889 I mean I don't think they'll win in a pure fight. I'm sure what they're planning is coming down to some kind of deception, kind of like Focalors
dude, i recently returned to Genshin after 2 years just for Arlecchino (that i didn't get f you RNGsus) and i just yesterday finished Inazuma Archon Quest and man what a let down. my friend already told me that it's shitty, but experiencing it first hand is something else.
just as you mentioned in the video, what even the reason Ei even allowing the Vision hunt decree to happened if she immediately changed her mind after being confronted? it's just hypocrite at that point. not to mention, "it's Fatui all along" but the execution is sooo bad and our long reunion with Signora is finished in just one fight and that's it? she's the one who stole one of our fist friend's Gnosis for go sake.
speaking of Gnosis, the fact Yae just handing out Ei Gnosis to Scaramouche off screen and casually mentioning it is just bad writing. i get that they don't care about it, but at least have something substantial about it. Venti lost of Gnosis and Zhongli 4D chess plan, compared to this? what a shitshow.
and also the ending. we just fought the Shogun, and then we just got exposition dump by Yae for the ending? bruh
sorry if i sound so negative but it's a dissapointing mess without any high point in my opinion. at least the Tsurumi Island World Quest is much better than the Archon Quest.
You share a lot of the criticisms I had about Inazuma, so yeah, I completely understand. For better or worse they tried to retcon a lot in her first and second story quests (which I'm not a fan of) but it certainly doesn't fix it. Lowkey wish the Sacred Sakura quest was the main quest no lie.
Still though, welcome back to Genshin! Hope Inazuma doesn't discourage you too much, since the story picks up so incredibly well from here and the writing is significantly stronger.
Yeah hope u complete the rest of the archon quest from what i heard the reason inazuma's story is so bad is cus the main story writer left halfway through it but now the story is getting better and better
@@coma70se now I'm curious with what they retcon because i just started Ei story quest. Yeah the side quests in Inazuma in particular shows the lack of care in the Archon Quest because holy mother of god most of it is awesome.
Of course, it doesn't discourage me because from what my friend told me Sumeru Archon Quest is prettying strong so I'm looking forward to it.
Not gonna lie it's love hate relationship with Genshin, i love the world and the character but i haaateeee some of the more mechanical enemy (this is my problem cuz I'm dumb 😭)
@@ilhamadigunawan5264 Regarding her quests, they try to recontextualize her character which kind of backfired since it contradicted everything they set up with her, but you'll see for yourself.
As for the mechanical enemies in the game... Well... Good luck with that 🙂
@@ridenenaji so that's why. it's still dissapointing because the thought of having Baal/Beelzebub that locking their nation down is soo facinating back then.
About Raiden Ei, Idk why people can't understand that gods, atleast in genshin, can be wrong. Ei was never meant to rule Inazuma and/or Persue eternity, she was a warrior and all she knew was how to fight and take extreme decisions. When Makoto died she tries to preserve her persuit in the only way she knew how, which extreme decisions. This one note persuit was the catalyst for everything that happened in Inazuma.
Yes, she was wrong, she realized that when the traveler showed her the power of people's ambitions.
She was absolutely a villan for the story and there condition doesn't justify the atrocities committed.
But one thing is clear she was not a badly written character at all.
I'd almost agree if the archon quest's portrayal of her matched up with her story quest. Honestly, everything regarding Ei after the AQ is good imo and I've gained an appreciation of her over time. It's less that I think she's badly written, and more that Inazuma in general is badly written for me. Kokomi, Ayaka, and Ayato are the other characters in the story I feel were done dirty just like Raiden.
As for ei.. she did lock inazuma down and promised her people a neverchanging eternity.. an eternal peace as well.. having visions wouldn’t have any use to help that unchanging eternity.. but it could harm it, so whats the point of having it? She then changed her mind about everything and took her twin sis believes
Hey, you've almost got the idea of the question I was trying to ask. I realized my exact questioning wasn't clear, but you seem to get it well enough
@@coma70se then what did u exactly mean?
@@unknown-oe8jg what exact benefit did Ei see in the vision hunt decree? She likely wouldn't have approved of it if she didn't see something outside of what she heard from the Raiden Shogun puppet
@@coma70se she knew the fatui are involed and she knew the poeple most likely hated the idea.. she thought it was a matter of time and they’ll accept it, she thought if they have no need to use a vision, and a vision could be fallen in the wrong hands, then why not stop the whole vision thing? It would make inazuma a safer place, they are in eternal peace era, no one need to be portected by the vision, it will only harm people by time, she wanted them to live their short lives happely and peacfully, so her goal of the whole thing was to make inazuma safer and completly peacfull
@@unknown-oe8jg One would think that and yet the idea didn't come up for 400+ years until the Fatui got involved. I get that they would've convinced her, but there has to be something about visions that we don't know that got her to agree to it at that point after so many years of not doing it. I don't know if I'm making sense
My question is how is Nahida the youngest if Focalors/furina is also 500 years old?
I believe it's because Furina is mortal rather than being an archon and Focalors existed long before the archon war 500 years prior vs Nahida who is an actual archon and only came about after the fact.
Yeah Focalors was around during Egeria’s reign while Nahida wasn’t born until Rukka died.
Oh I have a question for Furina. Does she want or need a hug? Cause my girl probably needs a hug 💔
Don't forget to drop off some spaghetti
my question is if Celestia still views Furina as Focalors since they both have the same sin, and will judge her accordingly when they are woken..
Oh true, since we're not entirely sure how Celestia will respond to it. All we know is that Neuvillette prevented the people from drowning by making them human
Moreover, Furina might also get charged with the sins of destroying the Hydro Archon's Divine Throne and giving his Authority back to Neuvillette. Because as far as we know, Furina IS still one of Foçalors halves. Even if she's human, her body is still Foçalors, and she even ruled Fontaine for 500 years as a Foçalors.
@@joyhammer3148 Not to mention, Foçalors set Furina up to be perceived as the archon. I have a feeling that Natlan (depending on if the archon is alive) might answer the question on what Celestia sees regarding the archons.
Maybe Celestia might not be able to see the archons themselves but only the gnosis.
@@coma70se it's a possibility. Another question that would be really relevant is "Why isn't Celestia reacting so far in the story?"
Nahida said the Sustainer is asleep since Khaenri'ah, but the Sustainer can't be the only god residing up there, right? In the manga, Venti thought about 3 figures when Venessa asked him to tell her more about Celestia, meaning there should be AT LEAST 3 more gods in there other than the Sustainer.
So why aren't they saying anything, when so many world-threatening BS is happening in less than 4 years? The Abyss Order committing pure blasphemy by corrupting Barbatos' statue; Osial being freed and menacing one of the Seven territories, while an Archon decides to quit his job; the Fatui extensively using gods' remains on humanity; the Fatui and the Akademiya giving birth to a new god after stealing another Nation's Gnosis, while threatening the Dendro Archon's life (the most IMPORTANT individual on Teyvat due to being Irminsul's incarnation and manager); the Hydro Archon not only destroying the Hydro Divine Throne up there in Celestia, thus wrecking up the whole Seven system, but also returning her Authority to a Sovereign; and then the Tsaritsa threatening other Nations and collecting all of the Gnoses...
So many things might have disrupted Teyvat so far when you actually think about it, so why aren't the other gods in Celestia reacting?
neuv was in petricor, chained up haha
Why does neuvillete want to judge zhongli if he is also dragon.
I don’t think Zhongli is actually one. He takes the form of one since he is prime of adepti. Also dragons are really territorial so there’s never been a time where they would band together because they can be som egotistical
Zhongli isnt actually a dragon, even if he was he would have been essentially a traitor to all dragonkind lmao
I doubt Zhongli is a dragon in the traditional sense. He can change forms as an adeptus, but he isn't a dragon sovereign and his powers came from the previous sovereigns, meaning it is not necessarily his own to wield. Neuvi might see that as an error to correct or a crime to judge, which would explain that voice line.
Ei was well inform about the vision hunt decree she was blind about the effects the the kojou clan filter those information thus not reach ei's , i therefore conclude your ideas didnt make sense at all i think you need to review what you are saying your summoning hates from fans towards ei
Actually no. Sure I concede I phrased my question incorrectly, but I've really only had a constructive conversation with people about it. And really she was only 'well infromed' to the extent that covered eternity - which is why it kicked up so much conflict as a result.