why does dove cameron hate all of her songs that aren't boyfriend?
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
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Thinking about all the people who worked on those music videos…..the director, the makeup artists and stylists, the people who storyboarded it and designed the sets and figured out the lighting, who edited the video and created this beautiful work of art….only for it to be deleted a few years later….all that vision and hard work, just gone. Maybe not completely, maybe still saved elsewhere, but no longer recognized officially as being worthy of existing. It makes me so sad.
this!!!
completely agree also love the kenma pfp
me too
bro they received their paycheck why u sad 💀
aw yeh
honestly when i heard all of doves previous music was deleted, and then you have boyfriend which is a hit; it reminded me of olivia rodrigo. when olivia dropped drivers licence it was her first original single (if im not mistaken) aside from hsmsts. i feel like dove or her label were trying to get that look for dove, former disney star drops a song, becomes a massive hit, then they start releasing music from there. i could be reaching but it just feels like it would give her more attention for boyfriend and future songs for people that dont know dove. it pretty much just gives her a better image "former disney star's music debut" rather than keeping that decade worth of old songs that didnt do as well.
This is a good point! Especially when you consider that 'If Only' from Descendants was trending for a little bit not too long ago.
but that would be fooling everyone and nobody likes to be fooled, olivia's drivers license was her first single
if that's what her team was going for instead of trying to use boyfriend's success to promote her older music then that's just sad, let her journey be hers only, not like someone else's, i think people would've admired her even more for persevering after all these years of releasing music even when she didn't find THAT much success
Drivers liscense was a much bigger hit though. Boyfriend had a decent moment and died now
@@KanadeLapis that’s the problem. dove’s team had too much hope that boyfriend would reach driver’s license success so they decided to delete all her old songs
@@KanadeLapis boyfriend is still rising on the charts tho it’s not as big as driver’s license but it’s still doing very well
The deletion of Bloodshot in particular, stings. I mean most people know she wrote it after Cameron's death. I understand wanting to move forward from that trauma, but it honestly feels more like she's trying only to fit a certain vibe that sells on social media and leave behind the music that brought her to this place and reflects her journey.
It was probs her team
LazyBaby was one of my most played songs of last year, I’m fuming that it’s gone
It makes no sense to me to just completely wipe out all your old music, even if it ‘doesn’t represent you anymore’ and it isn’t as successful as your newest work, there are still people that love them and are wanting to listen and it’s honestly cruel to just snatch them away…IF SHE DOESN’T GIVE ME THAT DAMN SONG BACK…
yeah it makes zero sense
Same with me and Out Of Touch
I loved Lazy Baby omgg
It also doesn't make sense for her image because now when people go to her artist profile, they will only see Boyfriend and then all these Disney songs. The old songs at least covered up some of those Disney songs. None of this makes sense.
LazyBaby is the best 😭
Also I would like to mention that despite the “good” removing her work could be, it’s so unnatural for anyone in the music industry. Artists change and develop all the time. That’s what musical “eras” are for yaknow? For example, Folklore by Taylor Swift was MUCH more popular than Lover. Yet, you do not see Taylor removing that whole album from her discography just because she found new success with a different sound. What Dove is doing is just so strange. And it IS her work, her music, but she chose to share it with the world. Even if she doesn’t relate to certain songs anymore because of her growth, that does not mean her fans did too. I resonated with Out of Touch and Bloodshot and now I can’t connect to them anymore because they’ve been wiped from existence
exactly like it’s cool to show them finding their sound theres no reason to erase all of it
To be honest lover is her second most stream album after 1989
Lover > Folklore
@pingüino idk if its my favorite but I do love it sm. My favorite is paper rings
it's just odd because all of her disney stuff has to stay up because she has no control over that etc. so she hasn't given any new fans the ability to learn about her as a solo artist, i thought she wanted this new career path. now, everyone is just gonna see a disney girl with one popular song. taste of you is still up because she's a feature, but still. a shame, her label should be promoting her as a whole, not pretending that this is her first release.
as someone who went to school for entertainment management and knows a lot about the music industry I can almost guarantee her label/management are the ones who decided to wipe any trace of her previous music after they saw the success of boyfriend, but she definitely just can’t come out and say that ☹️
thanks for saying that, it's what i was thinking!
True but like I’m somewhat familiar with the music industry too and I would be surprised if her label wouldn’t just let her vaguely say oh it’s just a contractual/business thing? I know music labels aren’t generally the most ethical/kindest sort of places haha but making her come out with this fake stuff about how it was her decision seems especially dodgy, if that is in fact the case.
@@freydobaggins6252 from a PR standpoint, having Dove even slightly imply that it was her label company that removed her songs would send fans to attack the label which might hinder how they work for her etc. But having Dove come out and pretend that it's her choice, shows that 1) the label she is working in grants her that INSANE amount of autonomy over her music (which is rare from the likes of what happened to Taylor Swift, Ke$HA, or just anyone who don't have control over their music) 2) while it might look "bad" for Dove to lie about it, it doesn't hurt her public perception on a bigger scale. If Dove came out and said it was her label, this could have been turned into a fans vs label really quickly and escalate faster than her coming out and saying it was a choice she made.
I would have thought that her label/management would see the single's success as an opportunity to perhaps "push" her past songs to radio as well, particularly "We Belong" and "LazyBaby." I figure that the business exists to sell records and make profits. It seems to me that labels used to do this. But your message indicates that you would know this better than I, and that it's much different world now business-wise. Damn shame.
Exactly!
I think it's a bad move all around especially because now her profile is 99% disney music. Having a profil full of original music looks way better for an artist. Plus it cut down her streams and makes her way more likely to go the one hit wonder way. To really become a fan of an artist you usually need more then one song. People discover a song they like, they look up the artist listen to a couple more songs and then can get hooked and become a bigger fan way faster because they have more then one song! Nothing is more disapointing then discovering a new artist just to see that they only have the one song. Also so many people know you already had released music that you can't really fake the debut single being a super hit thing. And it's mean to the fans. I hate when people try to erase their past just cause they are in a different period. That's not how this life works! Once you release a song you might be the one making money from it but it belongs to your fans.
Absolutely agree, this is definitely very bizarre. I can somewhat relate, as I deleted all of the videos from my first year on RUclips, because I just felt like they weren’t very good and now I regret deleting a few of them and wish I had just private at them, however I cannot change the past. Change is something that happens to all of us, it’s what helps us grow and evolve, although she may not resonate with those songs any more, they are still a part of who she is and helped her get where she is today.
what profile
@@jazzcl7 her artist profile on spotify or apple music etc. The place you go when you click on an artists name.
Plus her other songs are so GOOD. She only released taste of you six months ago for God's sake! She can't erase it!
It feels like she's getting into a Miley Cyrus Bangerz era situation, where she (MC) just wanted to detach herself from her Disney/Hannah Montana persona and now that she's more mature she's embracing it, I say in a couple of years she'll probably regret deleting all her previous work... Or maybe it's an Ariana Grande situation where she simply deleted her debut single, said she hated it and never talked about it ever again lol although I doubt Dove can do the same seen as she seems to have deleted years worth of content from her platform
FINALLY SOMEONE IS TALKING ABOUT THIS!!!!! I was so sad when her songs got taken off of Spotify. I wonder if it was more her label’s decision, at least that’s my theory
Same
Nah, she seems like she’s having a break down
I don't understand why you'd want to delete all your work, just because it doesn't match your current style or the current tone of your life. One of my favorite things about music is being able to follow artists through different experimental eras. Imagine if Taylor deleted everything up to Evermore... like are you kidding me I'd be so sad.
Sure, some of Dove's older work might not exude whatever "girlboss" energy she's aiming for, but I'm sure a lot of her long-time fans resonated with those more vulnerable songs. There's nothing wrong with allowing your to growth be public, at least with artists.
taylor is such an amazing example. because that’s what made me appreciate and applaud her work on evermore and folklore even more. the way she’s changed genres and themes through her music. that’s so important to fans to see and keep up with.
I agree. I find it interesting to see what styles an artist tried
No but the thing is her old music sounds like the same aesthetic 😭
Exactly, I love that she wants to take her tone her way but these others songs are hits!
@@childx81ikr! 😭
Hilariously I didn’t even realize that she made music outside of the Disney stuff so when I heard boyfriend on the radio and then I looked up her discography I genuinely thought it was her first song… so if that was the plan it kind of worked I’m sure there’s tons of people who are just like me who had no idea that any of her other music existed and now will probably never hear it talk about a clean slate lmao
Yeah same, I do remember some clips of her and her ex-fiancée’s band on Disney Chanel but I was a kid so I just assumed it was Disney too
Same. I never kept up with her
Sameee
Same for me
As of right now, I know Dove is not in the healthiest place, essentially looking at her mental health. I think the biggest thing she struggles with is identity. She’s never satisfied with herself, regarding the heavy amount of alterations she made on her body. Plastic surgery is not something I’m looking down upon, but I’ve recently noticed how much she has changed in the last years and can tell how body dysmorphia influenced her. I saw a comment where someone politely mentioned the alterations Dove had, and Dove later blocked that user. Dove has some issues revolving around with who she is and deleting her past self from her discography may be her only solution.
I also wanted to clarify that Dove has control over her body and can do whatever she pleases. I’m not bashing on this influencer at all. My concern follows through her heavy alterations and her inability to prove to herself that she doesn’t need all the alterations.
It’s all a degrading mess, and I wish there were some way that allows her to feel more comfortable in her skin.
yes! and she also frequently deletes posts on instagram too, maybe deleting music was just a further step. i know ive deleted a bunch of stuff from my social media before because i was struggling with identity (ofc to my 300 followers who couldn'tcare less) ... imo doesnt just solve the issue here but the situation is more complex than it might seem
I've been wondering about her mental health, so I like your comment
No one needs to “politely” ask anyone about plastic surgery 🤦🏽♀️ Dove blocked that person because all people want to talk about is “Dove did you get plastic surgery?” Dove what plastic surgery did you get done?” It must be stressful to always hear people talking about her body as if they have the right to know what she does with it. No one deserves that validation, not you, not me and not anyone else. What’s wrong with people on the internet?
@@angiebaebii Let me clarify:
More specifically, a little girl said on Dove’s post, “You look so beautiful! I wish I was as beautiful as you.”
This is where someone politely replies to the little girl saying, “Yes, Dove is a beautiful woman, but she is not 100% natural.” The replier wanted to let the little girl know this, so she would not form insecurities over features that can be easily obtained.
I agree, comments become abrasive when we repeatedly mention her alterations. She denies this, however, as she continues to encourage self love and natural beauty.
Saying Dove has a problem with identity is such an accurate and precise way to put it!! She has altered her body (chest implants), is addicted to facial plastic surgery, and never posts pictures unless they have been heavily photoshopped. And she really has gone through so many reinventions - which is totally fair! That's what growing up is all about. But it's definitely clear she isn't secure with herself, which is so sad since she's a talented actress and incredible singer. I can't imagine how hard it must have been growing up under the Disney Channel microscope. Still, she needs to stop preaching natural beauty and authenticity- unless she can be honest herself. It's damaging to young fans.
This is one of the worst moves for Dove I can ever imagine. For one, the tiktok hype is not going to last forever, what if the people who like boyfriend want to see her other work and find out she deleted it? It makes her look very inauthentic and inauthenticity kills an artists very quickly. Your point about what happens in 4 years is so correct, because what does happen? Just because you grow and change does not mean you delete everything you ever did. I do not know who her team is but they really messed up with this move.
I so agree with you! Such a bad move! I started listening to boyfriend and i love that song and i have been following her for some years but never really listened to her music but now I wanted to listen to the songs and they are just gone? How could she do this to her fans also? Okay, you feel like you change and not represent you but why do you have to delete all your songs. Why can't your fans that love those songs and really resonate with them still listen and enjoy them?
Exactly. A popular tiktok song isn’t something I take as seriously as a popular song because the production and lyrics or other techniques are good
they could easily fix it by just putting her songs back up too. they’ve got all this feedback from the people who are going to make or break her, from the people that matter (the people who will be listening to her music) and they’re just ignoring it. like all your fans are begging for your music back, making very objectively good points on why it was a bad move to take them all down and you’re just ignoring them? selfish. and sketchy. but she’s always been kinda sketchy to me. she seems very fake and clout driven. this solidified that idea for me. i no longer wanna listen to her music or support her.
@@delena4evertvd267 I see where your coming from but also I don’t think you should really be mad at her. This seems more like it’s her labels fault not her fault. The music industry can be sketchy so it seems like her label wants her to cover this whole thing up so that they don’t get any negative feedback from her fans.
Yep
*i didn’t listen to her music but lazy baby was so good. when i realized it was off of spotify i was* 🤨
Same!! Personally, her other songs weren't my taste at all, but Lazy Baby is a freaking BOP! I'm so sad now😭
At least lazy baby lyrics videos still exists but i know it's not the same😭
WHY THE FUCK WOULD SHE REMOVE IT 😭😭
JAYLEIGH!!!!!!
literally my #2 listened to song on spotify in my 2021 wrapped
Tbh, I am so disappointed because this is so disrespectful to her pre-boyfriend fans. We've been supporting her for what... Also, it's insane how powerful TikTok trends are, but I just don't think her next singles are going to get the same attention as Boyfriend. Anyways, she/her label already made this horrible decision and we can do nothing about it ☹️
I really liked her during her Disney days but I never really followed her music career and boyfriend made me rediscover her music and I'd love to listen to her old stuff
oop and sure enough 9 months later she’s had no boyfriend-level breakout songs since
I totally agree. Deleting all your music because you "no longer relate to it" is so sad. One of the main parts of being an artist is showing your growth throughout your creative work and evolving. Just because you're in a better place it shouldn't mean you should disregard your past work.
It’s just so wild how she spent SO much time and energy on music videos.. promoting these songs like crazy… telling us how every new one was her “favorite song she ever wrote”… just to erase them and never mention them ever again?? I can’t fathom any sensible reason. Such a disappointment I really loved lazy baby and so good, and even taste of you (That legit JUST came out!)
Just to tell you Taste of You is still around thankfully
She still sings them at her shows but I agree it’s weird
Lazy baby Was the best ever
exactly!! i remember the fact that she was SO SO proud of lazybaby, always promoting it and talking about how much she loves it and then just deletes it…something is off. it genuinely feels like not her, but her label is trying to engineer her music for tiktok because it’s very suspicious that she would all of the sudden do this.
I love her but it's really silly to try to delete your path to your ideal sound. It meant something to her fans and it meant something to her past self.
i love this.
people keep saying that fans should be supportive of her decision to delete her past work, but in my opinion her explanation makes zero sense and fans have every right to be upset about it.
like what, their fave deletes all her music and you expect fans not to be upset about it?
it makes me think the people saying we should support her decision were never real fans in the first place. no real fan would be totally okay with their fave deleting all their music.
i especially feel bad for people who had emotional connections with her old songs and now they’re not available anymore.
because of this, i don’t think i’ll ever get over it honestly. like yeah, i may continue supporting her, but it will never be the same
(also by her saying that she has found her sound, kind of puts her in a box. she should not feel like she needs to stick to one sound only, because then all her music will sound the same. from what i know, her deleted songs all had different sounds. but now all her upcoming music will all start to sound the same as Boyfriend)
it doesnt make sense to me how she found her "sound", boyfriend is ONE song. as an artist you will continue evolving over the years.
I’m very into music generally and the whole thing just seems bizarre to me. This is not something people would accept from any other artist cause it’s so contrary to what producing music is about! It’s about creating and then releasing it into the world to be part of your body of work, not deleting things whenever you feel like to perfectly curate your personal brand lol. I honestly can’t imagine any big/legit musician doing something similar (unless it was purely for some kind of contractual reasons) and it really does make her look bad and damages her credibility as an artist
@@sophiaisaclown1203 right? I’ve seen the same exact thing explained by Andy Biersack (singer in Black Veil Brides, a band I truly look up to) written in his autobiography. Their first songs were all done in a rush, low budget, he doesn’t really connect to them on a personal level, but he respects that some fans love those songs still. Even some of the middle albums were done when he was in a really bad mindset, and yet all those songs are still available and the band still plays them live because they’re part of their story and you gotta embrace that something you might not necessarily like anymore could mean the world to someone else. Honestly I feel like something is really off when stuff like this happen, because how do you just delete an entire part of your past?
Here are her old songs, Ik it’s not the same but ruclips.net/p/PLjA81B5050TUkLKxFDXCpaBWKUNDeohKC
I mean, I get fans being upset, bc obviously if your favorite artist deleted 90% of the songs they made you would be disappointed. What I personally don’t get is people saying she’s being “selfish” or “betraying her fans;” imo, that’s ridiculous. At the end of the day, a) it’s her career, she can do what she wants with it even if others disagree with her decision, and b) we don’t even know for sure if it was her or her label that pushed the removal. Plus, the whole “well x group of people aren’t REAL fans” thing is stupid and childish no matter which side it comes from. I don’t understand this competition to be a “real” fan and label others as “fake” ones.
The problem with “tik tok” hits is that most of the time they are based on trends, as boyfriend being a transition trend it only labels the song as a tik tok song, it’s a trend meaning it will go away after a span of a few months. The difference from drivers license is that it didn’t blow up from a trend, hence the “drama” between Olivia and Sabrina pushed the song’s success, the song wasn’t related to a trend in specific meaning that the song could be used in many different videos on tik tok and outside of tik tok giving it a much universal use for the song. The lyricism of DL also gave interest to Olivia as a person, peaking people’s interest in her which is the main base to being a main pop girly, having people interested in you as a person. Dove deleting her past music closes a window that is very much needed for success in the industry right now. Getting to know dove from her more personal songs as she mentioned in all the interviews or concerts gives her much more depth and realism to her as an artist but now it’s gone so..
this is exactly what i’ve been thinking too. i think if dove were to release another song, there’s no guarantee that is will blow up the way Boyfriend did. because people are mainly interested in the song, not necessarily in the artist. with drivers license, olivia showed a vulnerable side which also had a storyline surrounding it. with boyfriend, there’s no vulnerability or storyline behind it. and boyfriend did not blow up to the extent that she had established/secured a place in the music industry. if Boyfriend blew up like drivers license did, then maybe she would be in more of a place to take her other songs off of streaming platforms. but in any scenario, i still don’t see why taking down your whole discography is a good idea.
this agreed 1000 percent
When Miley Cyrus can keep Party in the USA online, then Dove can keep her old songs online as well. What is her managements problem
@@diana_cesar but she still got 7 things and fucking fly on the wall. Bops tho but still... Wtf
@@trenaoboh Miley still sings Party in the USA regularly in her shows ANDDD she sang 7 things and fly on the wall at the recent lollapalooza shows in latin america too!. To me that shows she's not ashamed of her past music like (it seems) either Dove or her team are.
Speaking of “We belong” which was the soundtrack for one of the “After” movies, I still wonder how she legally deleted it?? Like you’ll have a blank space in the movie from now on or what?? Also it was and still is one of my favourites
Actually, to be clear, Dove's song "So Good" was heard during the shower scene of "After We Collided, " which I always thought was an odd choice, but that's for another time.
No I don't think that would happen maybe they would replace it with another dong
Whatever the true reason/motivation it comes off as so inauthentic. Like now when she releases new music and talks about how much she loves it I’m gonna roll my eyes and remember her saying the exact same thing about songs she just deleted
yes
Yes, inauthentic also because this new music just sounds exactly like billie eilish.. like, no one hears that? it's okay?
what bothers me the most is that artists continuously grow and change over time, as everyone does. deleting the songs is just deleting all of her growth as an artist. like for example, i’m a huge fan of sabrina carpenter and she’s talked about how certain songs don’t resonate with her anymore because she was 15 when she made them and her sound was pushed by her old label. however, she keeps them up because she knows her fans love them and enjoy seeing her growth as an artist, it’s really cool. it helps connect the artist to the listener, especially when you’ve seen the growth in real time. and then we have to ask if dove will eventually delete boyfriend since, again, artists continue to grow and develop over time? idk. it’ll be interesting to see it pan out
THISSSS i was so scared sabrina would delete her past albums bc of that one tiktok she made but ..
i’m so proud she kept them up! i LOVE fast times. i’m so excited for her but i’ve also absolutely adored every single past album (all 4!) from her as well
She might even delete her new album she's realeasing to. After a couple years when that one also doesn't resignate with her anymore. 🙄
“Boyfriend” might be one of my favourite songs, but if her other songs really were better, then it’s really a shame i never got to hear them. also i am dead at the thought of her just performing that and then just ‘thank you you’ve been a great audience!’.
Her old songs are here in RUclips . You can still hear them
True, I'm curious how her concert in London is gonna look like
@@drrhsjo
setlist be like:
boyfriend
boyfriend (acoustic)
boyfriend (accappella)
boyfriend (reprise 1)
boyfriend (stripped back)
boyfriend (unplugged)
boyfriend (reprise 2)
boyfriend (remix)
encore:
boyfriend
novio (spanish version)
the fact that many ppl will never know about lazybaby or out of touch or we belong😭😭😭😭
I’m mourning for you that you never got to hear Lazybaby. It was an absolute bop 😭
So not a Dove fan nor have I heard her song Boyfriend, but It's seems to me that either Dove or her label wanted Boyfriend to be what represents her image. It's not about the music relating to Dove personally anymore since that didn't work the way they wanted. So I wouldn't be surprised if her next releases follow the style of Boyfriend. I also do agree with your theory that they want Boyfriend to appear as her debut and make it seem like she started her career strong with Boyfriend charting high.
It didn't even chart high lol
@@KanadeLapis The single is far from finished charting. It will break into the Billboard Top-40 next week and I still predict this song to go top ten.
@@thomasharris3040 lmao it's barely top 40 and now it's dropping to 50 and it'll keep dropping. The single is dead
@@thomasharris3040 yikes ur theory was wrong
@@amelianeioko978 Again, everyone here is "jumping the gun." I just checked the updated Billboard Hot 100 Singles Chart (ending 4/30/22), which has "Boyfriend" BACK into top-40 territory at number 37, UP seven spots from last week's fall to #44. The single is slowly but surely gaining more momentum. Two things right off the bat that may be preventing an otherwise, I think, deservedly meteoric rise on the charts:
--The new Harry Styles single "As It Was," which is great, BTW, which entered this singles chart at number one.
--The new Camila Cabello/Ed Sheeran duet, "Bam Bam," which is also getting increased airplay rotation due to very positive audience reactions.
It may be a more difficult climb for this record, I still think that overall, "BF" is a great song that, admittedly, does sound different than any other of the pop stuff playing on the radio right now. I think that's a large part of the song's appeal, and I also think that it will catch on big time.
That said, I stand by my prediction. It will peak, at least, as high as number eight.
And maybe, her backcatalogue will return online, which was the main topic anyway.
I feel like Dove cares more about numbers and validation than the actual music. I'm not shocked at all that she got rid of the songs that didn't blow up like boyfriend did.
She grew up in the Disney spotlight and I think she's still very insecure
She erase those songs even before the song was out i think when she realesed the trailer
She has said she wants to put her Disney days behind her
I guess she is going through a Miley phase.
I feel like she's always been very superficial and validation-hungry, at least online. First denying the cosmetic surgery allegations and now this, it's very difficult for me to like her as a person when she presents as so blatantly insecure. That's not to say people can't be both likeable and insecure (in fact I think being vulnerable with your audience can be appealing, though she seems consumed with not seeming vulnerable at all), but a lot of her antics give me the same vibe as Khloe Kardashian trying to wipe the internet of that one bikini pic. Dove seems so obsessed with perfection and her image that it's kind of off-putting.
it's odd. i thought boyfriend fit in with the rest of her releases. there were always lgbt+ themes, she sounded like she was so excited to release and express herself. obviously, being new to the solo artist world, she'll have to find her sound. but that's what makes it so fun. and it's why we've been eagerly awaiting an album, because we've seen her play around with singles. this switch up......
either, her label is forcing this on her. prioritising money. or she just feels like she needs the success to be at the forefront and doesn't believe in her talent. she deleted them before they could gain new attention, it isn't like she was heavily criticised. it pisses me off because of all the fans who'll miss out, all the people who worked on everything will go without, we won't get to see how they may have grown. more concerning, what decisions will be made as she goes forward? i don't know how this'll impact her and her fandom.
many, many, almost all artists have had moments where their releases maybe weren't what they were completely into. but they don't just try to pretend that it never happened. i really hope that this doesn't last. they've been removed/deleted but i doubt that they're not saved somewhere. im just worried that she'll obsess over this idea of "coming into herself". i understood distancing herself from disney or her old stuff with her allegedly abusive ex, but this??????
edit: just realised that i basically said exactly what you did, twinsies or whatever lmao 😭
edit 2: MAX. this is how it's supposed to be done. he released his debut album in 2016, he has said since that it wasn't entirely what he wanted and sounds like his past label was a pain. did he delete it? no. he created something that he was truly proud of and did a subtle rebrand. why couldn't she have done that? you can enjoy who you were and what you did and feel like it isn't completely you and move on AND leave the past alone. bye im so sad that her stuff is gone 💔
I was so mad when all those songs were removed from my playlist 😭😭😭
I was like wtf, where’d they go? 😳
@@Brogan_Balfour_Crescent literally I remember I went to put on lazy baby cause it was stuck in my head and I opened Spotify and was so confused when it wasn't there
your pfp is so cute :((
@@demitwice aww thank you
@@urmom6801 Exactly the same, listened to Boyfriend and have waste and LazyBaby slated for after but it just skipped past them and when I looked they weren’t on the playlist or showing up on her Spotify account.
I love Dove with all my heart and I'm incredibly proud of her, but it's really hard to not feel hurt when it seems like her entire attitude has changed after finding a bit of success with her solo music. It feels like she's choosing her new fans over us Dovelies who have supported her for years. Definitely makes you wonder.
You nailed it! The music isn’t that different and frankly Boyfriend is musically really boring. It desperately needs a bridge or another verse. It also feels a little like she wants to distance herself from her fans cause she wants cooler more mature fan base. Which is sorta BS. Like Ariana Grande isn’t afraid to get her victorious cast members up on stage and sing a song from the show. Dove now comes across “too cool” to do that.
About what you said about the song needing something more, I always thought the song would be enhanced by a huge screaming rock guitar solo at the end as a coda that goes on for an extra minute and THEN ends cold. I always had the impression that Dove was possibly heading toward a slightly more ROCK direction anyway. Plus, at 2:34, this song is WAY too short! Only my opinion.
@@thomasharris3040 agree!
Thank you!! Boyfriend is so lazy, it sounds like a Billie eilish attempt but ya it's really just the same lines over and over it's not really complex or interesting. I liked it for like 2 days but then I was over it
Unfortunately current songs are really uninteresting, they all try to mimic this supposed "cool and laid down" energy but they end up sound boring. Billie's songs are like this as well, they are just boring. Just a beat and someone kind of singing.
I'm so glad I bought them all on Amazon music and downloaded them. It's super weird and feels rude that she deleted them without forewarning or even acknowledgment. As a big fan of her, this recent behavior and how her online existence is focused on that one song lately is just odd. She is a person and therefore not perfect ofc but her "misstepps" like how she keeps getting caught editing her photos and this stuff with her music are making me love her less and I hate that. She has been my number 1 on Spotify for like 5 years straight and I cheer for her post Disney successes. I just struggle a little now and just a bit hurt as a fan.
it also like there are so many artists who dont ‘resonate’ with their old music but they still keep it up because they did AT THE TIME so like ???
I love her, but at the same time I’m not sure how I feel about her now 💀
If her music was taken down to make it seem like Boyfriend was her debut, that’s not a great move because she’s already pretty famous so it’s not something that can slide under the radar to seem like it’s really her first song that became a hit. Even if her other songs weren’t as popular, she’s too well known for the facade of her not having previous songs to be successful.
As someone who has deleted a bunch of YT videos that lasted for five years, deviant-art account and fanfictions just because it didn’t resonate with me anymore at the time of eraser, that is absolutely *the worst* thing you could ever possibly do. All those years of hard work (passion project or not) and people that genuinely gravitated towards the work, it will eventually come back and will be a constant reminder of losing something that did matter to that past version of yourself. I’m not a Dove fan, but. I really liked her as an entertainer during her Disney days and a little while afterwards, but I haven’t kept track of most things with her recently. I’m sorry she’s removed those works; that’s genuinely such a big bummer.
LazyBaby literally was in the top 3 in my Spotify wrapped. The fact that it's not gonna be anywhere in this years hurts me a lot. If I could have one song back besides Boyfriend, I would choose LazyBaby without a doubt. Always will be one of my favorite songs ever
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agreed but Out of Touch. its a very special song to me as its the first song i heard of hers. also i just rly love it TT
Mine too
I was never really a dove cameron fan (but a Caitlin Mckillop fan which is why im watching this video) but when you said it was 7 songs was funny cause the video made it seem like there were multiple albums gone, but honestly it's still crazy cause i don't think boyfriend is that popular anymore.
i also thought it was way more
Tbf they’re singles so it’s 7 songs several music videos and a few years worth of her career
I didn't know how much I needed this video. Yes! I love every single point you've made so far (I'm still watching lol) esp. with the idea of her oversharing and digging herself into these holes she can't get out of
i’m watching her in april here in the uk and i’m curious what she will perform now besides boyfriend 😕
update: she didn’t disappoint and the show was amazing. she performed old songs as well as unreleased songs. my favourite from the unreleased songs is do the math so hopefully she ends up releasing it
Actually i was thinking about this too! Like what will she perform now except boyfriend(but congrats on getting a chance to go see her ugh i wish...)
Get ready to listen to her sing boyfriend on repeat for an hour and a few disney songs
Boyfriend (1 hour compilation)
Did she happen to address the situation with her now deleted backcatalogue? Just curious.
@@thomasharris3040 no she didn’t at all which is weird to me that she is performing these songs but removed them from streaming because they’re not her anymore.
Just got back from Dove’s London show and honestly fell back in love with her a bit. Before singing so good she said “this is one of my favourites”. She did a similar set list to the recent us tour with a few extras and still did the did lazybaby encore. You could see how much she still loves the old songs! And how much the crowd does too. It solidified in my mind and the others around me that they probably are coming back in an album of some sorts. I think addressing it the way she did was a mistake but hopefully beyond her control.
I watched the videos of her London Show online and was so happily surprised to hear her old songs!! She also seemed so happy singing them and I thought about what she said about the songs not representing her anymore and it just made noooooo sense. Like I guess if they're coming back on an album don't lie about it?? Like say something like at this moment I can't say anything about that. I'd be way happier if she had said something like that personally
I love Dove Cameron - As a person, she's very unique and very well-spoken. She's also gone through a lot and demonstrates a lot of resilience. But holy hell, being a fan of her music is just disappointment. So Good was one of my favourites; I dance to LazyBaby virtually all the time. I've listened to both of these songs off my iPod more in the last two months and I've literally streamed boyfriend like 3 times. I feel like Dove actually has no idea what she wants, all she knows is that she wants to be up there. I also feel like she has no idea what it's like to have a fan base. She can't be all that "famous" without fans, and she does a really good job of disappointing them (most of the time, anyway).
With all due respect to Dove- her saying that her work from years prior doesn't represent who she is today, is such a 'Well...yeah' moment. She didn't originally write the songs to represent who she would be today, but what she was feeling in that moment. But at the same time, there is still a beauty in her past work becoming static, if thats how she feels, it's like looking back at old diary entries, it allows you to see how much you have grown and changed.
this has been on my mind for ages! it pains me to look at my playlists and see the songs greyed out - they were really important to me because of what i was going through when i first heard them and it sucks to know they aren’t there anymore if i need them again. it kind of feels like because she’s ashamed of them that i should be ashamed of them which is not how i want one of my favourite artists to make me feel :/
(also boyfriend isn’t *that* good- it’s okay but not delete all your old stuff and sweep it under the rug okay)
Personally I don’t think she was lying. I know with We Belong that was definitely more label-pushed, especially bc I remember her saying that her label sent the After team the song and she just went along with it but made it into her own thing. But I feel like she is just trying to find a more “reasonable” excuse for her songs being removed when we all know it was simply because Boyfriend was successful. Because saying that straight up would be way worse than what she’s been saying right now
yeah i agree with this. It just feels like her old songs represent who she used to be versus the person she wants to be now.
Your hair always looks so healthy and lovely omg
I'm definitely agreeing with all your points and I was also confused why nobody is talking about all of this! As a bisexual woman I'm obsessed with Boyfriend and it's my most listened song at the moment, but was it really worth loosing all the other songs? Why can't we just have all songs? 😩 (Also I guess her next single is gonna be a success, too, because the "so you wanna talk about power, let me show you power" part is already trending on TikTok)
imagine if p!nk, avril lavigne, taylor swift, miley cyrus, etc. all just decided to delete their old work and music videos because it wasn’t who they were anymore, that would fucking suck 💔 I hope dove never does this again & brings back her old work someday.
I totally agree with your point of 'boyfriend' being very much alike with her previous songs. Maybe Dove doesn't see it herself, still there're different perspectives and etc, but the whole decision to erase all of the past works still seems stupid to me. Imagine if each artist did that? Imagine if a painter deletes all of their art works, just because they think they don't like them anymore. Or directors would just delete their old films from the existance. Writers would burn their old books, because their writing improved and etc. That's just weird and also smells like a disrespect for fans, who have been with you for a very long time and have been supporting you all the way through.
Just based on my *almost nonexistent* knowledge on the music industry, I think artists have very little control over their music when they sign onto a label. And of course if this IS all her label’s doing, it wouldn’t make them look good if she publicly said her label deleted her discography. It’s entirely possible that they gave her the “the songs don’t resonate with me anymore” answer as a cover up. Idk, with stuff like this I’m more inclined to believe the industry is at fault, not the individual.
Idk you don’t see artists just wiping away their entire discography cause they had hit
i agree... i can't explain, but something about the whole thing sound fishy to me. i have a hard time trusting labels in general especially since the taylor swift thing
i know someone who works in the music industry & she unfortunately has to delete her first album due to legal issues, it’s really sad but ppl in the industry r cruel & only care about money, not the artist.
@@aliese3831 Really? That's sad, damn. Are you able to say more about what happened and what the legal issues were?
agreed.
I always think it's weird when people call this as a queer anthem - just because something is lgbt-themed doesn't necessarily make it good representation. This is a song about wanting to get a girl to cheat on her SO. Which would be fine if it was just a fun song and she was playing a villain role but Dove and her fans have spoken out about how meaningful this song is, and how representative it is. Add to that, Dove came out as bi, and bi people already get discriminated against by straight AND gay people who think they're always looking to cheat and be promiscuous with everyone. If I were bi or gay, I would not be blasting this song as an "anthem" which would imply it's representative of me.
also, it kinda portrays bi/gay people as predatory of straight people (which is already a stereotype). and i’m happy for dove for coming out (so i hate to say this but) something about this song makes me think she’s using her sexuality to appeal to the general public and profit from it. but that’s just my opinion.
we'll just have to agree to disagree
As bi myself, I 100% agree. With such a big influence, especially with young teens, it concerns me how the songs concept is being romanticized -from the cheating to weirdly enforcing the idea that being with a guy is inherently worse. This is one of the few bi-centric songs I’ve heard on the radio, and it’s about the cheating/seductive stereotype. The rep ain’t it chief
I agree with you, Cat. A song that should be a fun pick-up doesn't make for a good "anthem." It's a statement, that I'll give you, but I think that's the press calling the song an "anthem." Moveover, no one has pointed out that the song exhibits a sense of humour. I mean, c'mon, that line about the clothes. . . that's funny.
i’m a bi woman and i already assumed this was a fun villain song haha. it’s catchy and it’s cool it’s mainstream, that’s all i can say
I totally understand why she would want to have a new image, but also it’s so sad to get rid of her old videos. Just accept you’ve come a long way and still let all the people who worked hard on the music and video have their work up
I love watching her 😂. She has the most valid points and explains like ugh and she loves Disney yes pls
I couldn’t agree with you MORE! I loved all of her other songs, its like a healthy relationship but then Boyfriend comes along and ruins everything. And I agree that it would be on the lower half for my list. It just feels unreal, and I honestly wouldn’t know what to say if she releases more songs and they don’t blow up. What if this had just gotten lucky to be a viral song on tik tok. All the songs would still be gone and nobody would care about Boyfriend anymore 😕
but wouldn’t a successful song bring attention to the rest of her discography? 😫 im so sad that so good is gone
I'm so upset that she removed her music! I can't get over it! I literally listened to those songs all the time and all of the music videos were so beautiful. I understand wanting to move on and evolving but to just erase everything and pretend like it didn't happen is so messed up! Think of all the hard work that went into those songs and videos from producers, writers, videographers, editors, etc. and now it's just gone!
Honestly I have never liked Dove ever since her Disney days, she just seemed shady and not genuine like the other Disney ex-acts that came before her (She later confirmed to someone on either Twitter or Instagram she only auditioned for Disney so she could get her foot into the door that is Hollywood, after Liv and Maddie ended). In my opinion Miley Cyrus deserves way more respect because she has changed during every era she has had in her career, but she has never forgotten that she started her singing career as Hannah Montana while wearing a blonde wig. Dove should take a page out of Miley's book, your fans are more important than your own ego when you are a music artist.
Exactly!!! If Miley went from squeaky clean Disney girl to wrecking ball to now dove can learn a few things and take some notes
i have such an emotional connection to lazybaby especially bc she held my hand when she sang it on tour so the fact that it’s gone is so :(((
She seems like a sweet girl and she's been thru a lot so I won't talk bad about her too much but to me it seems like she's rebranding to target at lesbians. We are thirsty and will put money and attention into anything. Also why does every song written about w/w relationships have to include "boyfriends" and men in it or the title?
I kinda agree, I fell in love with boyfriend because it's sapphic and I would have loved to listen to her other non-disney music too now but sadly I can't...
I mean she can be rebranding, it's good that she can be open about her sexuality and all that but I'd love to get her other songs back as well
And it’s the fact she’s not even lesbian either which kind of pisses me off
@@lilaboxx
There’s a RUclips complication of all her old songs, I think (and majority of Dove’s fanbase) they’re really good!!
No stop because I saw you asking for her old songs back and was looking to see if you uploaded talking about it 😭
I was like mad cause I had like every one of her songs on my playlist and boyfriend was the only one that worked and I was literally very mad!!! Still am
“we belong” was one of my most streamed songs of 2020 and seeing it gone it's so sad :(
To be totally honest the fact that she still hasn’t put out a proper album yet sort of makes me question her passion for/dedication to making music
true. she’s only released singles sporadically which made me think it’s just a hobby that she does, and not something she’s really passionate about. and the fact that she seemed so willing to delete all her work too.
She currently is working on an EP if I'm correct
@@bandaqueenlove9134 yeah, true- it just seems odd to me it’s taken this long considering how passionate about making music she says she is- singles are good for a bit but you need to release albums after a point to be taken seriously as an artist! And she would have definitely been given opportunities considering she’s signed to a label and was already a star from Disney
@@space2403 Sorry for the delay in my response, but as far as this being Dove's "hobby," you don't get signed by a major label like Columbia Records for a "hobby." She obviously got signed for a reason. The fact that there are a lot of sporadic releases and no full-length album gives me the impression, and I hate to say it, that she may be squandering her chance with Sony. I may be wrong in writing this, and I really hope I am.
Are y’all actually complaining that she could be doing it as a hobby? Like that’s not a bad thing.
Dove lowkey started to give me the ick around descendants 3. Couldn’t tell you why tbh just the vibes changed. Also didn’t like boyfriend as a song not my style but I liked some of her old songs. So now I have no reason to listen to her (aside from Disney).
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I also don't vibe with Boyfriend. I think the beat is wack and it's hard to groove to. LazyBaby went HARD. It's a shame it's gone. I also get what you mean about her around Descendants 3. It might be the extra plastic surgery and botox she got during then. She started seeming really fake.
People need to get into the habit of having bad feelings they can’t explain about someone and then not posting it. Okay so you don’t have a reason of why you don’t like about dove? Cool, there’s nothing they can do about it and it gives no takeaway on dove whatsoever. Some people give off red flags or bad impressions and you can judge them however. But who else would need to hear about how The Vibes changed
For me it’s how she’s starting to look vaguely Asian now? Kinda of reminiscent of what Ariana Grande is doing now. Really makes me hella uncomfortable
@@dotcom3015 you can still simply say you don’t like something tho?? Stating it even having a reason for disliking something or someone is perfectly fine. If you can say what you want online then so can others even if you don’t think it adds anything. This is a YT comments section, not a debate session or a trial. Everything you say doesn’t have to be backed up with reasoning, proof, filler or have prolific meaning. It literally doesn’t matter. You could literally comment under this video that you hate carrots. Does that add anything important to the convo? No, not to me personally. But I’m not gonna get butthurt over it lol bc it doesn’t affect me at all.
This reminds me of this artist I discovered once after I found one of her songs and really liked it so I looked her up online and discovered she had an entire album of music from years ago that wasn’t available on music services that she never mentioned anywhere and I was shocked by it
oo i'm curious...which artist was it?
who was the artist
@@spungle6426 she’s not very popular and I don’t even think she releases music anymore but Brit Daniels
@@jazzcl7 she’s not very popular and I don’t even think she releases music anymore but Brit Daniels
@@JennyThePlatypus oh thanks!
I feel like boyfriend isn't much different from her previous songs. I agree with literally everything you said. I couldn't have said it better. And to OG fans especially who adore her other songs it's heartbreaking that they're all "gone". She leaked the setlist for her london show and all the OG songs are on there...lazy baby is literally the closer???? dove sweetie what is happening
the truth is simply that she’s not genuine. she’s lying about not resonating with her old music and showing me that truly the most important thing to her at the end of the day is numbers and popularity, not her artistry. this whole situation is seriously distasteful and disappointing :(
Thats why she doesn’t get any bigger even though she’s talented because it doesn’t show through her music that she cares 🤷🏻♀️
I love you so much for talking about this. This whole situation is really annoying. I haven't really been a fan of hers as a person for like almost a year but I still liked her music. Honestly speaking, it's horrible business to delete old songs because no matter how successful Boyfriend is people are still gonna find out about the other songs and it makes her look like a pretentious jerk. What serious artist, or label, would delete any previous works? If it really only was for the 15 second fame of Boyfriend, it's laughable. In all the interviews about Boyfriend she really tries to insinuate that it's her first song. I just can't with this person anymore. I'm really upset but I guess that's how things are and her old songs aren't coming back
i think with dove she’s trying to find her sound that she’ll have for the rest of her career. yes boyfriend did well but like you said, it was one song that went viral on tik tok and honestly the song isn’t trending as much anymore. i personally feel like you can’t have one sound for the rest of your career because it doesn’t show growth. artist such as Ariana Grande is a good example because you can see how growth in her music from Yours Truly to her newest album Positions and it’s good to hear that maturity.
i don’t think she’s making a smart decision with this and someone else said that all the hard work and all the people that were involved with her previous projects are now gone and honestly that’s really shocking considering how much she was exited to work with that makeup artist as well as everyone else.
an artist who did a similar thing is Normani. She’s not consistent with her music and releases it in huge gaps. at this point the hype is dying down even though i’ll still listen. atleast with normani she’s admitted that she wasn’t happy with her previous songs such as motivation because it felt like it wasn’t her. it’s still on her discography which is nice but artists will try to find one sound for the rest of their career which is overall why they’re not as successful
Saying this, i do wish dove the best and her new music still slaps
This is very sad 😢
I really like Dove's previous songs and thanks to Caitlyn I now understand why most of Dove's work is faded on Spotify
I’ve never got that vibe the way she talks about her songs
She always talked about them with such passion
Even her descendants music she’s talk about how great it was to make them
I love dove but she is a very insecure women. I think she personally loves every single she’s put out, but that she’s insecure about the fact that boyfriend skyrocketed over them. I’m sure that she’s going to regret it in the future. I think boyfriend might be her favorite song because it’s big and was fun for her, but I think her other songs are more personally and emotionally her favorites.
I agree
Yes
For real!! I would listen to all the other songs on my way to work and while I would work. And one day I go to listen to it and it’s gone?! I love those songs! They are such a smash⭐️
I 100% believe us was her label. They’ve constantly had bad call after bad call & sometimes my girl just needs to speak up. She was forced out of the closet after We Belong was released due to queerbaiting accusations. It’s a common topic in the Dove fandom abt her horrid label
I feel like avril Lavigne went through something like this "finding sound" thing and she didn't delete those old "started" sounds/songs...and what did people start with her🤔🙄. I don't love that dove took the songs down but I've downloaded them and I get why she may have taken them down.
this whole situation is so strange.... i totally agree with you! she just ignored her fans.... :/
I’m so upset that she removed her old songs. Remember Me and Out of Touch were two of my absolute favorite songs. Boyfriend is an ok song but definitely better as a TikTok trend which is even more upsetting
I'm pretty sure it is about numbers. Maybe her record label wanted her first song to be a massive hit, so they deleted the rest. Or maybe she wanted that. Those songs weren't getting her much money and weren't getting a lot of traction, so she probably wanted to remove those from her image. She might love those songs still, but it seems she wants to go more the alt pop route (at least from what she has teased/released), and these songs don't quite fit that image. I personally like this song more than the others (although I do like bloodshot a lot) but I love alternative music. I wouldn't classify her as alternative, but I would say this song, especially in comparison to her old music, is a step in that direction. I don't think she should've deleted them, and it sucks for her fans. Hopefully someday she will rerelease them so people can see her progression
I got no hate toward Dove Cameron, but she used to be super cool and chill, and now a lot of what she does just gives me the ick. Deleting all those songs just seems like she’s trying to act like a new artist, it also seems like she’s just trying to make big trendy statements instead of just loving her music
That's literally what I think 😭, she used to be so so original, she still is but now she's just blended in :/
okay i have a lot to say yall! i used to be a big dove cameron stan from 2013 to maybe 2019 and loved everything she did. BUT within the past few years something about her just gives me the ick. i think it’s because she preaches so much but then doesn’t follow up on it. fir example, ill never forget when she posted that selfie of her crying during the blm protests and proceeded to make it all about her and how she felt. and then when she posts about self acceptance and whatever but continues to HEAVILY photoshop everything on her ig. yes i do feel so much for her because i too am insecure and very mentally ill and have an ED but i feel like its so toxic to claim you never did anything to ur body or face but its so obvious youve gotten so much plastic surgery and whatever. i do have a lot of empathy for chloe because shes lost her dad and her best friend and was in an abusive relationship and i think shes incredibly strong, but there are a lot of choices shes made that i cannot agree with. i do wish her all the healing in the world however. also side note - so mad she removed her music because bloodshot was one of my favorite songs.
Sometimes I wonder, what if she was the toxic one? I don’t put celebs on pedestals so it’s possible in my book
Wait who's Chloe?
@@richieswar3139 her birth name is chole, i think she changed it to dove at some point
@@Claire-yt1kg she changed it to dove because that’s what her father use to call her
She was never abused in any relationship, she made that up and has been debunked, she also is the one who cheated on Ryan with Thomas. Now she's trying to use gay people for more fame and attention. Dove is a sick person
Honestly it doesn’t feel fair, once an artist releases something into the world, part of it becomes ours, not theirs. It becomes free for interpretation, and for our own validation, comfort, and just general enjoyment. By completely ripping everything from our hands (the fans) it really violates an unspoken agreement. When it becomes public, it’s no longer just yours to take from us, dove
Out of touch was my favorite song from her , also I LOVE her vibe , she posts some writing and interesting images on her Instagram and I LOVED how her mind works when it comes to art after seeing those but I think boyfriend doesn’t deliver that , it sounds like a generic “dark academia “ tiktok song which worries me cuz I don’t want this to be her official classic sound , there’s a certain dark , messy but also fragile and poetic vision to her art and the art images and writings she posts on her social media , I want that to reflect her music SO BAD cuz it can be an incredible brand for her
Yes 🙌 glad you posted about your thoughts on dove’s music. I’ve been having similar thoughts on this. Been a (casual) fan since her earlier days of her career. I was upset and confused when I saw all of her original music was faded/deleted since I liked some of her original music. Ever since she changed her looks, got signed to her label, posting questionable things, and deleting her music. Which has left a odd taste in my month and I don’t like it. I want to support her decisions even thou it doesn’t sit right with me. Also tbh I didn’t like boyfriend, I have nothing against the song I just don’t think it’s her best work. I honestly think she’s becoming his person that most of us don’t recognize and making a poor decision. I also hope she sees her self worth one day
love everything you said! this was so informative to me as someone who wasnt aware of the situation. it also makes me so uncomfortable that with the digital age anything can just be deleted at any time as if it never existed. physical media is so important!
When boyfriend came out, other than listening to it on repeat, i streamed her old music. I was devasted to see it all gone. Thank you for the video ❤
Her deleting all her previous music really makes me not want to support her anymore. It’s a slap to the face for her fans that supported her since the beginning. It just rubs me the wrong way how she went about it.
I’m not a dove Cameron fan -in fact, im probably more on the opposing side-but I did watch/listen to her songs during her time on Disney and enjoyed it. My only exposure to this situation has been through tik tok and interviews of her on RUclips, but it has also made me increasingly more angry that she has thrown away basically her entire past. I understand a lot of Disney stars want to forget about their time on Disney, which is completely valid bc everyone grows over time, but ever since dove released boyfriend, it exploded on tik tok, and she came out publicly, she has made this song and her queerness her entire personality. She acts like there was never a time when she dated/was attracted to men, which maybe she doesn’t feel straight anymore, but there’s no denying that she wasn’t dating nor engaged to men before?? I’m all for people embracing who they are, but I think she’s lying when she says things like “the old me wasn’t the real me; it was someone I was pretending to be fore others.” ??? That’s bullshit and doesn't even
make sense??? I know the industry often monitors/limits artistry, but she was such a small artist and was writing lots of personal songs from my understanding, so I don’t see how all of those could no longer be considered any kind of reflection of her feelings/life during that time period in her life.
I've been a fan of Dove's music for years. I was a fan of The Girl & The Dreamcatcher and I remember listening to Bloodshot and Waste for the first time and being blown away by that EP and looking forward to her solo stuff. We Belong and LazyBaby were some of my most played songs last year. I was just as much in shock as you are to find this out and it really doesn't make sense. I appreciate you taking the time gathering the information and thoughtfully breaking it down. Like you said, it is very confusing, and feels like a slap in the face to the fans - particularly because the explanation given seems so vague and lacks the true understanding of how her fans feel.
My best guess is that it was her label's idea to ride the success of Boyfriend and focus on new work and erase the past. And she maybe was convinced enough that it was the right thing to do moving forward. But like you pointed out, certain songs I have a hard time buying into that she doesn't relate to anymore when they very much seemed near and dear to her heart, and the songs were written with such depth.
I do like this song a lot, but if I knew having it would mean getting rid of her whole catalog, I wouldn't have wanted it.
Ik labels can be shady but shouldn’t they prioritize profit and recouping their losses? No matter how unsuccessful a song is they still had to put money into it. Deleting all these songs from streaming services is literally throwing money away. Even if not a SINGLE new fan from “Boyfriend” listens to any of her old music, the current fans will still stream it and it will generate some kind of revenue. I really don’t get it. Hopefully they’ll come back as like a throwback EP some day. Not holding my breath though :/
Better yet, perhaps releasing all, if not most, of her recent stuff, and including them with her new material and, maybe, making this her first full-length album would be the ideal way to go. I think "Bloodshot" would be a perfect title for this now LP. But I, like you, will not hold my breath. Having said that, I completely agree with you about the profit angle. I've been saying that while radio and her fans are waiting for "Breakfast," which is, apparently, her next single, to drop, her label should also be pushing (for lack of a better term) her recent stuff like "We Belong" and/or "LazyBaby" (the record that I personally thought would put her over the top) to radio as well, if nothing else, to recoup any revenues from their initial release and subsequent deletion.
personal opinion, I think it was a label decision to make it look like this was her debut single,but if you ask me,it sounds like an absolutely idiotic decision long term
Bloodshot has always been my favorite Dove Cameron Song and when I found out she deleted it I was so so upset and I really don't understand her whole finding her sound thing because all her songs except for Lazy Baby (also a bop) are all like alternative dark pop type songs so I really don't see what her reasoning was but I don't support it 😭💀 love her tho
i was trying to find her discography after listening to boyfriend, then spotify doesn't show any of it except for disney's related, and then i find this video. this is so sad man, just thinking about ALL of the work into SUCH ART...
PLEASE make a video about Sofia’s debut album!..? I really want to know how you feel about it and just what you think overall! 😊
Whats it called?
@@notoriouslysky the album?
@@karanghuman40 yup
@@notoriouslysky “Sofia Carson” Album by Sofia
boyfriend doesn’t even feel that different from her other songs. the message of the song itself yes, i appreciate the lyrics but sonically it’s not a standout for me. it also doesn’t feel like a full fledged song. you can tell they quickly finished it to get it out while the hype was still there. i understand it’s important to her, but is it that important to act like her other songs don’t exist?
Im so glad i came across your video on my home page! Ive been a fan of dove since 2013, literally on the same boat as you. To find out one day that my dove playlist on Spotify has been reduced to the descendants songs only, i was so devastated. Honestly it’s such a bad move, seeing as these songs are part of her journey & she has gotten a few fans from these songs. Upset, i reallllyyy hope she will put them back out
what, i didn't know that! spotify recommended boyfriend to me and when i recognised she was the one from descendants (hadn't thought of her in years) i checked out her profile but there was nothing and i was kinda disappointed. to know she actually had released solo music and just deleted it is so weird.... i'm sorry to say it but like that's how you lose potential new fans, people need something to listen to and be a fan of. not to mention how her old fans like you must feel!
her label is trying so hard to push boyfriend as her “debut song” to make it seem like her music has been a massive hit since the beginning. it’s sad she had such great music
I’ve been supporting dove ever since her music debut. Her songs have a special place in my heart. it was so unnecessary for her to do that. A part of me says that her label forced her to delete them, they literally control dove. When she posted a snippet of her upcoming ep (bf was apart of it), she said that she really wants to release it but her label doesn’t think its “material enough”. But, when it blew up they let her release it?? This is so CONFUSING. But yeah, like you said, when her songs suddenly got removed it felt like a slap in the face 😭 i hope her and her label rethink their choices and bring them back lol :) btw if anyone has any of doves old music videos in high quality pls tell me asap
I can understand not matching the energy of Disney but why remove everything else
@caitlin mckillop
FYI -her playlist she’s using in her UK mini tour includes ; we belong, remember me, waste, Taste of you and Lazy baby. But does *not* include Bloodshot or out of touch. 🤔
I think Dove was correct when she said it’s an interesting question of who the music actually belongs to. While I am sympathetic for the fans, I do still believe it is her right to start fresh on her streaming platforms. She knows those songs still exist in peoples heads or probably elsewhere on the internet.
To play devil’s advocate I would also just like to say that her statements could be true in some ways but not in others. She can love the song for what it is but not love it for her as an artist anymore. The things she said could’ve also been true at the time (six months ago) and not true anymore as she’s changed her mind on some things or gained new perspective.
Things and people aren’t black and white and everyone deserves a clean slate.
well said
i mean it’s clear that she (or most likely her label) wants boyfriend to look like her debut so that’s why they deleted them. it has nothing to do with “wanting to have a clean slate” cuz she recently had a concert where she performed some old songs.