i wonder if the fouling machine could even go that far... like he could go further down a little bit and i don’t think it would pick it up on the sensor
I'm with you. I couldn't do this either. If I was playing the inside line and I had a choice to either go with loft or go to a weaker ball and play a different line, I'd take the weaker ball and play a different part of the lane. Possibly a weak reactive ball, urethane, or possibly even plastic and take my chances.
I probably could throw a little bit of loft myself, but not one handed either, and I'm kind of a big guy. I'd have to learn to throw it that 2 handed style to get that kind of loft like these guys, still I'd go shelling up on a bowling ball throwing something weaker and using my head instead of strength because I'm more old school when it comes to bowling.
@@famlitfamskitt2612 opportunities outside of bowling. I forget exactly what but it was talked about during one of the last times he was in a Would Bowling Tournament final
Ryan Shafer actually withdrew from the US Open because of all the lofting that happens there. He posted it on his Facebook a while back. "After watching B squad tonight and seeing the progression of the lanes, I have decided to withdraw entirely from the US Open. Due to my physical limitations (lack of significant ball speed, plantar fasciitis, and carpal tunnel), I determined that it was counterproductive to try and compete to the best of my ability on that condition. As it has been determined to be a 'required element' in today’s game to loft the ball over the left gutter cap at the the US Open, I am no longer capable of doing that without potentially hurting myself. I would prefer to prepare for the W.S.O.B. in Reno, starting November 6, 2017. It pains me to do this, because I have always looked forward to this event, and I have really wanted to win one of these in my career. But that time has passed. Thank you to all my family, friends and fans who came to watch this week. I apologize for my performance, or lack thereof.”
0:00 Anthony Simonsen 0:05 Dom Barrett 0:10 Greg Ostrander (with Matt O'Grady in the chair) 0:15 Brian Valenta 0:21 Anthony Simonsen 0:27 Mike Fagan 0:33 Marshall Kent 0:39 Jason Belmonte 0:46 Tom Daugherty 0:52 Jason Belmonte 0:57 Wes Malott 1:02 Kris Prather 1:07 Wes Malott 1:12 Marshall Kent 1:17 Jason Belmonte 1:24 Sean Rash 1:31 Brian Valenta 1:36 Richie Teece 1:41 Mike Rose Jr. 1:47 Chris Barnes 1:54 Martin Larsen 2:00 Robert Smith 2:09 John Furey 2:15 Osku Palermaa 2:20 Francois Lavoie
the harder patterns you bowl on, the less consistent you’ll be. i used to do the same thing trust me lol then i started bowling on pba patterns and i had to break that habit, it rlly screwed up my scores
In january I was bowling in the Zone Qualifiers for the Canadian Open, I lofted the ball so high and far, the ball never touched the lane until it hit the pins, it wasnt on purpose either.
it’s not really a stone 8 if the ball deflected off like that. the entry angle is very minimal when you play it so deep that it’s very easy to leave 2 pins, 8 pins, 2-8 double wood or 2-8-10s even if you miss by the smallest of margins. the ball deflected on entry due to the minimal entry angle and exited the rack at the 9 pin spot instead. that doesnt qualify as a “stone 8” but “going light and leaving a 8”
That's hard on the lanes. Lots of times if you set the ball down a little sooner instead of lofting it the ball will go into a good roll quicker. I did this sometimes when they were oily.
If its getting to the point where you need to loft like this, that is a huge problem. WRWJ hurt himself during that 1 US Open trying to loft and so did another it is not fair to them to put out a pattern that degrades so much in the fronts you are forced to have to to launch a 16lb ball into the hair 20 ft down the lane to strike...
I came from a video where people complained about balls being tossed in the air. Yet no one on here complains when a pro does it with balls 2x the weight lmao
You know that there is a very bad lane problem when you need to borrow the next lane’s walking path just to get the ball to align to the 1-3 pin position for a strike.
I honestly can't believe these guys can chuck 16lb balls like that in the air as if they weighed 10 pounds. And also they throw it like 18 or 20 miles an hour. I can barely throw my 15lb ball 16 miles an hour lol
I dont understand why you would choose to loft rather than use a weaker ball. We dont get many oppotunities to bowl on sport patterns in australia. We dont have PBA experience leagues here. Ther hardest thing ive bowled on is a modified house shot lol.
If the fronts are really that burnt up (and they do get that burnt), even a weaker ball will either hook too much or will burn up in the lack of oil. lofting becomes way more necessary on sport shots too.
@@flipper9038 We've replaced quite a few at our house, just from normal play, so I do know what I'm talking about... They're only 5/8" thick overall...
Say your least aggressive ball is hooking too much, sometimes this is what is needed. If you have a urethane ball, this wouldn’t apply because they hook so early this angle wouldn’t ever be applicable!
@@rh88841 Valenta's pitch (1:30 mark) was on a 52' pattern. There is no "back end" on that type of pattern and he ha already blown up the front of the lane. Lofting it was the only way he could get a proper roll through the pins.
maybe they should include a rule about staying within the confines of your lane lol. some of these guys are in the other bowling areas. I understand there is etiquette but these guys are really taking the cake.
It's not their fault tournaments let the lanes get that bad. They should be required to reoil after a certain point because conditions getting this bad is just ridiculous.
@@jakesnussbuster3565 it destroys the lane surface, even on synthetics. The house that had the us open a few years ago had to replace lane panels when it was all said and done
@@nicholaslloyd5623 in my experience, it is almost impossible to dent synthetic Lanes. if the lanes are wooden, then I sure as hell will not be lofting it.
the reason bowlers migrate left over the course of a tournament is because the oil in the front part of the lane gets stripped away. if there's no oil left in the front of the lane, you can't play there, period. your ball will always hook at your feet no matter how weak it is and it will never get to where it needs to be down-lane. this generally only happens when you have a lot of accurate high rev players bowling on flatter shots because the oil is less concentrated per board. i've bowled 8 game sweepers on house with plenty of high rev rate players and even in that environment, house shots have enough oil in the middle and front parts of the lane that once you move into that after the outsides dry up, you generally don't have to move much more for the rest of the tournament simply because of the insane volume. there's none of that on tour, hence loft.
@@natrixxvision6997 connor pickford tried doing that, he placed 126th. ej tackett tried going up the gutter with urethane, he finished 95th. none of the people that tried playing right made it to match play. they alternated between missing the headpin to the right and leaving every type of corner pin possible. pros know better than you. if moving back right worked, they would do it. it didn't and doesn't.
To me it seems the high loft is a very low percentage shot. To many things at play to make it consistent for 10 frames. There are other ways to combat the oil.
Thanks a lot for glorifying bowlers who abandon the ground game. Now the Sat AM Juniors will be trying to emulate this and beating holy hell out of the 60+ year old house where I bowl. Do people know that past the arrows the alleys the lanes are made of much softer pine wood? It should be an infraction to loft the ball past the 6-foot targeting dots. You should get zero for that throw.
I agree it’s loud and obnoxious and could even damage the lanes, that being said say a bowler is using their weakest ball, standing as far left (or right if you’re a lefty) as they can be and it’s still hooking too much? That’s what they will all do 100% of the time because that is what’s needed. They aren’t just going up settle for a bad game
Belmo going down the service path next to the lane had me dead
i wonder if the fouling machine could even go that far... like he could go further down a little bit and i don’t think it would pick it up on the sensor
0:52
I wonder if he could even get slide on that surface. Belmo must have knees of steel to try that
@@williamhrivnak7345 he was planting.
Man, those guys are strong. No way I’d play a shot like that without having paramedics standing by.
I'm with you. I couldn't do this either. If I was playing the inside line and I had a choice to either go with loft or go to a weaker ball and play a different line, I'd take the weaker ball and play a different part of the lane. Possibly a weak reactive ball, urethane, or possibly even plastic and take my chances.
@@curtispetit986 I have a little loft bot I can’t throw it across the lane lol especially one-handed
I probably could throw a little bit of loft myself, but not one handed either, and I'm kind of a big guy. I'd have to learn to throw it that 2 handed style to get that kind of loft like these guys, still I'd go shelling up on a bowling ball throwing something weaker and using my head instead of strength because I'm more old school when it comes to bowling.
I can do what mike fagan can but with 0 loft and not nearly as much revs 😂
Common. No problems to make the same shots.
Mike Fagan the OG lofter. Missing this dude on tour!
Yes!! Plus his form just looks so smooth
The King of Swing is his nickname.
Yeah im missing him too. What ever happened to him
@@famlitfamskitt2612 opportunities outside of bowling. I forget exactly what but it was talked about during one of the last times he was in a Would Bowling Tournament final
@@doomusrlc Didn’t he earn his masters degree or something like that ?
I started bowling about a month ago I could barely break above 80 today I bowled a 157 😤
I am 200 at a good day
You’ll get better if you practice enough
I average 212 right now in SSJBA but my average for my first year of bowling was a 122 DONT give up!
Im on my 3rd year of bowling. My average is in the 160's
My average is 190 and my TikTok is “ILTBLOL” and I film myself
Ryan Shafer actually withdrew from the US Open because of all the lofting that happens there. He posted it on his Facebook a while back.
"After watching B squad tonight and seeing the progression of the lanes, I have decided to withdraw entirely from the US Open. Due to my physical limitations (lack of significant ball speed, plantar fasciitis, and carpal tunnel), I determined that it was counterproductive to try and compete to the best of my ability on that condition. As it has been determined to be a 'required element' in today’s game to loft the ball over the left gutter cap at the the US Open, I am no longer capable of doing that without potentially hurting myself. I would prefer to prepare for the W.S.O.B. in Reno, starting November 6, 2017. It pains me to do this, because I have always looked forward to this event, and I have really wanted to win one of these in my career. But that time has passed. Thank you to all my family, friends and fans who came to watch this week. I apologize for my performance, or lack thereof.”
A video we didn't know we needed thanks pba lowlights
I kinda forgot how bad the 2017 us open was
Lmao I loft the ball that high as a joke. I think it’s crazy to see the pros loft it that much and have so much accuracy.
And how they have anything resembling a good release is beyond me.
0:22 I thought he was going to bowl in the left lane until I saw the ball in the right lane 😂
Watching Chris Barnes loft the ball is like seeing a unicorn. It’s rare
You don’t realize just how strong someone is until you see them do this
When you loft the ball 52 feet from the left lane and it still goes high...
I am gonna go *LOFTING* today lmao
Thanks PBA Highlights.
0:00 Anthony Simonsen
0:05 Dom Barrett
0:10 Greg Ostrander (with Matt O'Grady in the chair)
0:15 Brian Valenta
0:21 Anthony Simonsen
0:27 Mike Fagan
0:33 Marshall Kent
0:39 Jason Belmonte
0:46 Tom Daugherty
0:52 Jason Belmonte
0:57 Wes Malott
1:02 Kris Prather
1:07 Wes Malott
1:12 Marshall Kent
1:17 Jason Belmonte
1:24 Sean Rash
1:31 Brian Valenta
1:36 Richie Teece
1:41 Mike Rose Jr.
1:47 Chris Barnes
1:54 Martin Larsen
2:00 Robert Smith
2:09 John Furey
2:15 Osku Palermaa
2:20 Francois Lavoie
This how I bowl.. not that extreme but I definitely toss/loft it.. I've been trying to work on it and get lower but aye it works for me.
the harder patterns you bowl on, the less consistent you’ll be. i used to do the same thing trust me lol then i started bowling on pba patterns and i had to break that habit, it rlly screwed up my scores
Normal bowlers don't blow up or break down a pattern like professionals. On flatter patterns this is a must. Especially at the US open.
I don’t know, have you ever bowled on a lane after a birthday party where everyone was using plastic alley balls and pushed the oil everywhere?
nice vid keep up the great work.
Hard to strike at that depth as you can see in the video....and yet, Simo was still 2 for 2 and absolutely crushed the rack both times.
Why does Butterball III aka Brian Valenta always loft it like 30 feet
In the mid-90s...
...the managers would give us the "Don't do that" look when we would loft.
If only Dom Barrett's 7 pin at the weber cup was here
Yeah I wish
YES. YES YES I NEED MORE
When you have to stand on 10 on the next lane over you know it's bad. They could literally play up 5 standing in the same spot 😂
In january I was bowling in the Zone Qualifiers for the Canadian Open, I lofted the ball so high and far, the ball never touched the lane until it hit the pins, it wasnt on purpose either.
I hooe whoever reads this achieves all their goals, and has the best life possible😁
1:38 bruh did that really stone 8 like that?
it’s not really a stone 8 if the ball deflected off like that. the entry angle is very minimal when you play it so deep that it’s very easy to leave 2 pins, 8 pins, 2-8 double wood or 2-8-10s even if you miss by the smallest of margins. the ball deflected on entry due to the minimal entry angle and exited the rack at the 9 pin spot instead. that doesnt qualify as a “stone 8” but “going light and leaving a 8”
^this
0:11 is just insane. How is that even possible?
it takes being a big guy and a lot of tape
If you ask me, Valenta is the best at lofting.
Hes so nasty 🔥
He's definitely up there but I think Robert Smith is
Absolutely!! Brian has always had the best left game I've ever seen, even when he was in youth league.
But I think Osku Palermaa is slightly better.
Prather shot 300 that game playing that loft...wild
That's hard on the lanes. Lots of times if you set the ball down a little sooner instead of lofting it the ball will go into a good roll quicker. I did this sometimes when they were oily.
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I love how this is a normal thing in the US Open.
1:30 clear sound
If its getting to the point where you need to loft like this, that is a huge problem. WRWJ hurt himself during that 1 US Open trying to loft and so did another it is not fair to them to put out a pattern that degrades so much in the fronts you are forced to have to to launch a 16lb ball into the hair 20 ft down the lane to strike...
So basically us open highlights
Wow
I came from a video where people complained about balls being tossed in the air. Yet no one on here complains when a pro does it with balls 2x the weight lmao
Yeah people think someone throwing a 10 lb ball 20 feet down will dent it, nope, the lanes don’t dent that easily 💀
Thank you for showing everything that is wrong about the way the US Open used to oil.
That’s the way to do it. Throw the ball ten feet in the air and ten feet down the lane.
You know that there is a very bad lane problem when you need to borrow the next lane’s walking path just to get the ball to align to the 1-3 pin position for a strike.
Oooooo
I honestly can't believe these guys can chuck 16lb balls like that in the air as if they weighed 10 pounds. And also they throw it like 18 or 20 miles an hour. I can barely throw my 15lb ball 16 miles an hour lol
Man I feel bad for the lanes that were abused by bowlers that lofted really high
the lane wouldnt have taken any damage whatsoever so i dont feel bad at all lmao
Can't foul if you're not on the lane 😂
its always the US Open where its the worst, eventually you gotta wonder if they should make a change with the pattern
I dont understand why you would choose to loft rather than use a weaker ball. We dont get many oppotunities to bowl on sport patterns in australia. We dont have PBA experience leagues here. Ther hardest thing ive bowled on is a modified house shot lol.
If the fronts are really that burnt up (and they do get that burnt), even a weaker ball will either hook too much or will burn up in the lack of oil. lofting becomes way more necessary on sport shots too.
The lane panels get cracked from normal play... this really beats them up.
No. They don't. Know what you're talking about before speaking.
@@flipper9038 We've replaced quite a few at our house, just from normal play, so I do know what I'm talking about... They're only 5/8" thick overall...
I play only on the first arrow loul
I just don't understand the lines played...the entry angle seems poor.
Say your least aggressive ball is hooking too much, sometimes this is what is needed. If you have a urethane ball, this wouldn’t apply because they hook so early this angle wouldn’t ever be applicable!
@@PBALowlights I get that lofting is done to reduce early hooking, but a lot of these shots like Valenta's crash the pocket at a weird angle it seems.
@@rh88841 Valenta's pitch (1:30 mark) was on a 52' pattern. There is no "back end" on that type of pattern and he ha already blown up the front of the lane. Lofting it was the only way he could get a proper roll through the pins.
So , this doesnt damage the lanes?
Depends on the type of lane
Shot put.
Looks like horse shoes
Someone should AJ Chapman if he knows who Tina Taylor is
what balls were belmo using
maybe they should include a rule about staying within the confines of your lane lol. some of these guys are in the other bowling areas. I understand there is etiquette but these guys are really taking the cake.
I’m a five pin bowler (Canada) and I loft my ball because I can
Why are you allowed to finish in someone else's lane? that should be against the rules. What if they hit the foul line on that person's lane?
Lofting a bowling ball that high halfway down the lane will pretty much damage it or the bowling ball itself.
And probably damaging to their body as well
Uhh ya no
Yeah that’s a good point they are probably used to it because they have to do it all the time. I wonder if they spend hours upon hours at the gym.
The third loft was the highest ever over Ryan Ciminelli's chair at a Brunswick Zone.
If you know what you are doing, this takes zero effort. It’s just different launch angle out of their hand 😂😂😂
since they have so many balls, change to a less hooking ball and play up...if i owned a center, id be pissed if i saw this
Lmao, it is necessary to loft because changing to a weaker ball would mess up the oil even more and make it more challenging
Know what oil breakdown, typography, and ball motion means before speaking.
But when Jason Eubanks does it he’s breaking the lanes…. Smh
House balls needed
Lofting past the arrows should be illegal change my mind
It's not their fault tournaments let the lanes get that bad. They should be required to reoil after a certain point because conditions getting this bad is just ridiculous.
@@jacklane734 agree. apparently oil is more expensive and harder to find than human organs.
You should be able to loft it to an inch in front of the pins why does it matter?
@@jakesnussbuster3565 it destroys the lane surface, even on synthetics. The house that had the us open a few years ago had to replace lane panels when it was all said and done
@@nicholaslloyd5623 in my experience, it is almost impossible to dent synthetic Lanes. if the lanes are wooden, then I sure as hell will not be lofting it.
If normal people try this they’d get kicked out of the bowling lane lol
Let's be honest. FloBowling commentary is dry as freak.
So excessive......
probably a ball change limit
Yeah I think Greg Ostrander throwing over Matt O'Grady wins
Most of these lofts were because of the oil pattern
WHAT OIL????? LOL
You don’t know.. oh your not a real Bowling fan then...
@@justjierenhere Was your reply directed at me?
Yes..
@@jeffthebracketman It's Ok.... the subtlety was too strong....
Most of these aren’t even high..
There has to come a point when they switch to a ball that’s not as strong and...for righties, move back to the right.
the reason bowlers migrate left over the course of a tournament is because the oil in the front part of the lane gets stripped away. if there's no oil left in the front of the lane, you can't play there, period. your ball will always hook at your feet no matter how weak it is and it will never get to where it needs to be down-lane. this generally only happens when you have a lot of accurate high rev players bowling on flatter shots because the oil is less concentrated per board. i've bowled 8 game sweepers on house with plenty of high rev rate players and even in that environment, house shots have enough oil in the middle and front parts of the lane that once you move into that after the outsides dry up, you generally don't have to move much more for the rest of the tournament simply because of the insane volume. there's none of that on tour, hence loft.
@@thomasodell836 so....use plastic???
@@natrixxvision6997 connor pickford tried doing that, he placed 126th. ej tackett tried going up the gutter with urethane, he finished 95th. none of the people that tried playing right made it to match play. they alternated between missing the headpin to the right and leaving every type of corner pin possible. pros know better than you. if moving back right worked, they would do it. it didn't and doesn't.
@@odellus Well they sure do know better than I do. But at least I tried.
To me it seems the high loft is a very low percentage shot. To many things at play to make it consistent for 10 frames. There are other ways to combat the oil.
It works for the poor oiled surface.
First
nobody cares
@@RyanLashlee1 no one asked
Thanks a lot for glorifying bowlers who abandon the ground game. Now the Sat AM Juniors will be trying to emulate this and beating holy hell out of the 60+ year old house where I bowl. Do people know that past the arrows the alleys the lanes are made of much softer pine wood? It should be an infraction to loft the ball past the 6-foot targeting dots. You should get zero for that throw.
I agree it’s loud and obnoxious and could even damage the lanes, that being said say a bowler is using their weakest ball, standing as far left (or right if you’re a lefty) as they can be and it’s still hooking too much? That’s what they will all do 100% of the time because that is what’s needed. They aren’t just going up settle for a bad game
but why
US OPEN that's really why
because it is what is necessary to get the ball down the lane sometimes. especially if you bowl with 600+ rpm like a lot of two-handers.
the lanes get broken down so unbelievably much thats its pretty much playing with no oil if you try and play it normally
Bowl at the US Open for more than a three game set and you'll find out. Lol