YOU TOOK A COUNCIL AXE FROM A COUNCIL VAN AND NOW YOU'RE DIGGING UP A COUNCIL ROAD ... I'M REPORTING YOU TO THE COUNCIL! Best part of the episode, I love that guy
Or badly written children. I still can't believe they thought kids being more upset about the wifi while ON ANOTHER PLANET in Nightmare in Silver was at all realistic. Such a boomer moment.
There was a question on Yahoo Answers about who should light the Olympic flame and I replied that it would be fun if the Doctor did in real life what he'd done in this episode. Someone must have had a severe sense-of-humour failure - my answer was reported and deleted and I got docked some points.
@@deanwicks1278 - on YA it only takes two complaints to have a post deleted, whether it's a question or an answer: so two people can decide what the rest of us are allowed to say on a public forum.
To be honest I didn’t actually find it that bad I thought it would of been fun to do more with the olympics part of the episode. But I never thought it was that bad really, it was just one of those simple episodes really
The "You just took a council axe" line is how I made one of my closest childhood friends. He said the line at the park and we immediately bonded over dr who so this episode has always had a soft spot in my heart
To be fair it does have a great opening mystery. I often think of it as a great example of how to start a Doctor who episode. An intriguing mystery then BAM into the satisfying theme music.
It has moments like Kel but it is a fairly weak story in comparison to others. It’s definitely on the weak side made worse by Chloe and Trish who are so poorly acted.
i cant watch it. It just doesnt flow well with me and the music so to speak is ear piercing at times and it didnt need to even be in the series. They should of picked out a different episode
Honestly, I think how you respond to this episode sort of depends on the kind of childhood you experienced, especially if you first saw this episode as a child. I've seen a large amount of defence for this episode (including mine) come from a place of actually being able to seriously relate to Chloe, whether that's from the domestic abuse angle - and I've genuinely heard multiple very compelling reasons for why the "red light" form of Chloe's dad-drawing is actually better than seeing anything more of it from people who reason that it allowed them to project the image of their own abusive relative/guardian onto it and thus the episode acted as a catharsis for them moreso than if the dad-drawing had been 100% identifiable - or whether, like me, it's from the angle of feeling intensely lonely as a child and unable for whatever reason to fully communicate with family. Even looking back on it now as an adult and therefore no longer the target audience, I can't even really say that it's *bad* (especially to the extent of being hateable), especially when you take into consideration how uneven S2 was as a whole in terms of quality. I can't help but feel those who hate it merely hate it for not being whatever they wanted it to be, not because they're judging it for what it actually is. At worst, it's a relatively forgettable filler episode that's overshadowed by the finale.
I know people don't like this episode, but I would have still liked to see David Tennant run with the 2012 Olympic Torch, just as a fun reference to this episode.
I think it was something similar to The Family of Blood storyline in series 3. Stephen Fry didn't have time to change the writing for Martha. They were going to have it Series 3 if he had the time.
I'll always remember this one fondly, because when I first watched it as a kid the idea of the Isolus drifting through space and creating whole worlds just to play in resonated with me so strongly. Pretty much every kid loves to imagine strange and wondrous worlds to play in, but to actually be able to make them real? Also the child acting doesn't bother me half as much as it seems to most people. That alone probably makes it 10x more enjoyable.
I remember the dad appearing in the cupboard bit being quite scary as a kid and the whole bit with the doctor carrying the Olympic torch was epic. Also since first seeing this episode in 2006 I can't mention the council in my own accent anymore, it's always "THE CAANSIW!"
Honestly, the main reason why I usually skip this episode is because it reminds me of how the 2012 Olympics decided to just ignore Doctor who all together. Those Olympic snobs....
@@kjudgemental3648 Yes I remember hearing it and getting excited then.... oh that's it? I was waiting for David Tennet to appear. But unfortunately it never happened.
God I loved the atmosphere here in London when the Games were on. Really felt like the last time Britain was united. The sun was out, people were happy, we got loads of medals, I’d just finished primary school. Good times...
I suspect this is not a popular opinion, but I felt it was two weeks of mass smugness. I have always loved Britain but have never been comfortable with open displays of national pride, and I found it insufferable to be honest. And the opening ceremony was crap, bar the segments with James Bond and Mr Bean.
Bang on. It was summer of y6 for me, had all those street parties and accidentally drunk on pimms for the first time, playing DS games with my friends in the living room when we watched doctor who and Sarah jane on demand
I liked the first half, which was more of a mystery to find out what was happening. The suspense was good and I wish they had kept the same tone throughout and made it more of a murder mystery. The second part just ends up being so chessy. While the doctor running with the olympic torch is a cool moment, it just feels over the top. I wish they had restricted the episode to just one lane/gated society and made it more of detective one, with the adults being the red-herrings. Also love your videos. Some of the best who stuff on youtube. I keep watching the vids again and again, they are really well done.
Desperate to know the details of the Stephen Fry episode...😭 Also love how this was intended to be a light episode for kids, a story about missing children scared me as a child 🤣 enjoyed it though
I remember being surprised to find that this episode was so reviled. There were parts of it I remember really liking, especially the premise, and the rest was kind of mediocre, which isn't exactly unique to this episode. It's also certainly more memorable than a lot of the episodes I've seen.
I’ve always loved this Story, ever since I was a child. It was so out there and different to all the other Stories I had seen at that point. LOVE the creepy Soundtrack to this Episode and I really enjoy Ten and Rose. I always found the abuse storyline scary and sad, and the closet drawing use to terrify me. And yeah, the setting is absolutely gorgeous. David and Billie just seem like they had a blast filming this. One of my favourite scenes is when he slightly opens up to Rose and tells her he was a Dad once, but then he just brushes it off. It reminds me of what Donna says to Ten in The Doctor’s Daughter, about how he talks but never says anything. I think the Isolas is a beautiful creature and concept, even the name is beautiful. I like the subtle foreshadowing of the Finale as the Torchwood Tower looms in the distance of the shot of the Stadium. - Fear Her will always be special to me, I’ll always love it. Especially the ending, and I love all the scenes that take place within the TARDIS, especially the hilarious materialisation scene x
Honestly Fear Her was my introduction to Doctor Who as a whole, I kinda liked it and’ll be excited to see what this video has in store when I make room for it
My favorite part was the interaction between the Doctor and Rose in the TARDIS when he mentions his paternal past. Honestly, the Doctor is on point throughout the episode, and Rose is pretty good too. I like the beginning, but it quickly goes downhill. And, Chloe and her mother just kinda... fell flat. Not the worst episode ever, but definitely not the best either. I also feel like the demon dad should have been more prevalent. Cal, Scribble Monster, "not you too, Bob", and the final shot are great as well.
Steven Moffat handled delicate issues like abuse horribly. The River Song / Melody Pond thing is offensively bad, with little respect shown for Amy's trauma and with River's mental health issues actively mocked by the Doctor within minutes of meeting her. This despite him knowing she's been the victim of kidnap and brainwashing. Yet Moffat writes Eleven as more interested in flirting with her than actually helping her. It's all so, so bad. This episode might have been a bit kids TV, it's true, but at least it didn't introduce an issue like domestic abuse only to drop it without properly addressing it. The climax of the episode is cheaply made and a bit cringe, with the monster dad drawing, red lighting and shaky cam effects. But the pain these characters were feeling was respected, and some effort was made to properly resolve their issues. I hated Steven Moffat's method of emotionally scarring his characters and then jumping forward six months to have them back to their old selves, with the implication that all their healing and recovery had happened off screen. Imagine if he hadn't done that. Imagine if Amy's time as a ganger had left her experiencing episodes of depersonalisation, occasionally disassociating from herself and being unable to trust that what she experiences is real. Imagine that being folded into and addressed in a sci-fi plot. Imagine if Rory's attempt to suppress two thousand years of memories and two separate timelines began to seriously effect his memory, and he had to make the choice to give up that past or lose his present. Imagine if we actually saw River spend some time in a space mental health facility, and got to see her own journey mirrored in that of other characters. Something like the Minotaur hotel episode, but where the supporting characters she meets represent the various paths River herself could go down as she attempts to reconcile her trauma at the hands of Kovarian. Will she become vindictive, give in to fear, strive for a "normal" life, or - oh, wait, here comes the Doctor to face off against villain of the week and show her that maybe there's another way, which is to be just a little bit mad and a little bit dangerous, but always keep your heart in the right place. Think of the plots we could have had if Moffat had let character drive story instead of the other way round. Moffat has a lot of strengths as a writer but character isn't one, and writing realistic, respectful responses to trauma *really* isn't his forte.
Okay, I've never actually commented on yt in my life, but this resonated with me so much I felt I had to say something. Honestly, this situation didn't really hit me until season 6, when Amy's actual newborn daughter was kidnapped and she just kind of goes with it? Like I know Amy knows she grows up to be River but she only asks the Doctor if he's found Melody once and then just kind of leaves it. Like I'm no mother but I've seen mothers' connections with their kids (especially newborns) and I know that most mothers wouldn't eat or sleep or breathe until their child was safe with them. That heart-wrenching scream when Amy loses Melody had me feel like Amy was that kind of mother, but Moffat drops it like he dropped the rest of his character arcs (not to mention Clara's being torn into a thousand versions of herself/the leaf thing/her dead mum, none of which ever get mentioned again??). I'm a huge Moffat fan but yeah, this stuff ruins it for me a little.
@@frances7575 I know. All these years later, it still annoys me! The Melody thing was just mishandled on so many levels, it pains me. The worst part about is that it was obvious where the plot was going from the moment "pregnant Amy" was revealed, and by that stage I'd learned to be a bit wary of how Moffat would handle a plot like that. The loss of Amy's bodily autonomy, the guilt Rory would feel at not having known it wasn't her, and the sense of betrayal they would both feel towards the Doctor, for harbouring his suspicions in secret for so long . . . I was annoyed enough to see those issues ignored in AGMGTW. But I was given hope by Amy's tender moments with her baby, and River's quiet devastation when she realizes she has to refuse Rory her help and can't tell him why. But even in that moment I remember being annoyed that a moment between River and her father had suddenly becoming all about the Doctor soaring and falling and blah blah * insert trailer voiceover speech here *. And then Let's Kill Hitler came along and as you say, Rory and Amy sounded like they were wondering if the Doctor had found their lost car keys yet. Not living their whole lives on hold waiting to find out what happened to their baby daughter. Not desperate to change history and get her back whatever River says about it. Not jumpy or angry or struggling to trust the Doctor. They're just . . . living their lives, coming up with elaborate pranks to get the Doctor's attention, and occasionally looking a bit worried. It doesn't ring true emotionally, at all, and I can't imagine how insulting that would be to watch if you were a parent who had lost a child. It really did feel like Moffat bit off more than he could chew. He put the wheels of this plot in motion and then thought, "Oh god, now I'm going to have to have my characters permanently altered by this, though. I'm going to have to get all bogged down in their ~feelings~ and sacrifice some of the fun for heavy emotional stuff. Nah, I'll just sidestep it instead." Honestly he just shouldn't have headed in that direction in the first place if he wasn't willing to follow through.
Personally I’ve always loved this episode. It’s such a fun and wildly imaginative story, with some genuinely great moments with the scribble monster and the Doctor carrying the Olympic Torch. Also: I would actually argue that Shayne Ward is still relevant. He’s just not really known for his singing anymore. He’s known more for his acting now; he had a very high profile reoccurring role in Corrie as Aidan Connor for instance, and he also starred in a West End production of Rock of Ages. I believe he also has a low budget theatrical film coming out too.
Going to be honest, I liked this episode, but only because of vaguely remembered bits of it from my childhood, so when I finally watched it fully, I went into it with a preexisting liking for it, also we need a spin off series about the tarmac guy
@@itzimperiumxvi2620 It's an okay episode but it fails to scare me and I find it more boring than otherwise, also the introduction of the lone cyberman was pretty bad
Tempo I didn’t go in to it expecting to be scared, I just like the premis of the episode and think it’s marginally better than some of the other episodes
@@itzimperiumxvi2620 I think it's a good episode (even better than Kerblam! if we count the ending), but it's not one of my favorite from the Chibnall era Fear Her is a decent episode tho
@@ftumschk thinking back, it definitely could have been better, perhaps I was just v young and impressionable! not one of my favourite episodes but I couldn't rewatch it for a long time
One thing that always baffles me that the isolus is abducting people because it is lonely, and is confused when the victims are not happy so abducts more people (assuming that it is because they are now lonely too), yet when it decides to snatch the Doctor and the TARDIS this is purely out of malice, because he is a threat to its plan. For a monster that is motivated by love, even if it is misguided in that regard, this is an action that is completely out of character. That’s the action of an out and out evil monster, not a morally ambiguous one. If they had played it differently it might work better (have the isolus snatch the Doctor because he is so wonderful that it wants him to be his friend forever and appear happy when confronted about it). The ultimate problem is that the child acting in one toned. As the alien she is either angry or bored. There is no attempt at any nuance to the character. The opening has her humming a song, if they had continued that, with some childish glee, it might have been creepier.
Fear her is unironically one of my favourite episodes from childhood, like I remember waiting for the Doctor to show up during the actual torch run in 2012
Also the fact that the 2012 Olympic games didn't have any nod to the doctor bar the half hearted noise of the tardis at the opening ceremony made my heart lift with the fact I thought that yes they'll have him there and then no just a noise wasted opportunity
I absolutely loved the ending with Ten picking up the dropped Olympic Torch carrying it the rest of the way pity the actual Olympics depicted in that episode couldn't have played on that!
Love how everyone’s still talking bout the series! I started watching the beginning of this year like binging it and honestly a treat! My heart! Like dang. It encapsulates everything I love! Complex characters. Feelings and emotion. So feel good! Little plot points actually having relevance and continuity! So many spinoffs(haven’t gotten around to watching em but some characters legit deserved it. Cept I’m still waiting for the Rise and Ten 2 spinoff to be made, I need it! Hopefully they do decide to do it.) I could go on for days and I might. Super passionate now Imma save this vid for later!
I have a soft spot for Series 2 in general. It was the first series I had on DVD, and I used to watch them back to back, so I have a lot of fond memories attached to it.
This episode has a lot of parallels to "The Idiot''s Lantern": Both have a major event about to take place that everyone is talking about and which is fairly huge for London. Not only do both episodes have this as a backdrop but both feature preparing for this event and watching it on television. Both episodes take place on a quiet suburban street. In fact, both episodes have characters describing the neighborhood as nice and quiet with families living there up until things started going wrong. This wouldn't be super significant except that the Rose seasons often featured places like the council estate that Rose grew up in when it's not taking place in Cardiff or central London. Both episodes' mysteries are about people disappearing, and there is some contention among family members and neighbors about how that mystery should be addressed. Both involve most time spent in one household. Whether it's the Webbers or the Connellys. Both involve stealing someone or a part of someone. This comes to a head in each episode when one or the other member of the TARDIS team is taken: Rose's face in "The Idiot's Lantern", and the Doctor in "Fear Her". (Perhaps not coincidentally, these two episodes were actually shot in the same production block, which came right after filming the "Army of Ghosts"/"Doomsday" two parter, and before "The Impossible Planet" / "The Satan Pit". So maybe this worked out nicely, as the writers could write the Doctor out of part of "Fear Her" so David Tennant could film his extra "Idiot's Lantern" scenes, whilst Billie Piper used this time to film her solo scenes for "Fear Her". This does give some context as to the behind the scenes that played a part)
this is my #1 comfort episode. i refuse to hear any criticism. it’s a filler episode. it’s a low-stress, laidback episode that i related to given i was watching during covid, hits all my comfort buttons, is fucking hilarious, and was my introduction to the david tennant era (i was confused why the faces i knew from series one weren’t anywhere else so i picked a random episode and this was how i learned abt regeneration and the concept of companions.)
I always enjoyed this episode, mostly the council guy, and I enjoyed seeing Tennant and Sosanya together again. I'd have loved some little Casanova reference.
That comment about Moffat writing about child abuse really hit home, because I used to get flamed mercilessly when I pointed out that subtext in his stories.
as a small child I was terrified of this episode. Imagine the horror when I saw the weeping angels - that's the episode that taught me to wash my hair with my eyes open
"Love is the answer" works very well in this episode imo. Much more than in the lodger episode where love can suddenly makes a cyberman human again (now THAT is ridiculous)
I'm still so upset the actual Olympic Committee didn't get David Tennant to run the final length of the torch-lighting for the 2012 London Olympics, because they EASILY COULD HAVE DONE SO!
This has never been close to one of my least favourite episodes. Have always liked the concept, and I love the idea, similar to Father's Day, of the Doctor going missing, leaving the companion to sort things out. Adds a nice bit of dread to it. Wouldn't call it one of my favourites, now, but definitely doesn't deserve the hate
This was actually the first episode of the show I ever watched. I actually found it pretty interesting. It was at least interesting enough to continue watching the series. And honestly, I feel like the show has had worse ADULT actors. I never found the kid's performance to be distracting really.
I remember this being one of my favourite episodes and I was excited about it now that I’m doing a rewatch (kinda stopped around the end of 11s time) and it hit all the right beats for me again, it was a fantastic episode so I wanted to see why other people think it’s so great and I guess… they don’t? I honestly am genuinely shocked to hear people hate this episode
I didn't even know people hate this episode tbh, I've always liked it. I find the concept of drawings coming to (or snatching) life super interesting and loved how it was used here, with the plan being to make earth itself disappear. It demonstrates how powerful this ability can be, used in the wrong way. My liking of "Fear Her" might be partly because I'm an artist myself but I don't think the episode's objectively bad. It has a unique concept, explored in an interesting way. Besides, bad child acting often doesn't bother me as much so I don't think of this part as negatively. Another reason for me liking this episode is the Doctor picking up the torch near the end. Idk why, but I loved this scene so much when I first watched this episode. Combined with the commentator of the Olympics, it just sent such a hopeful message that I can't say I dislike it. All in all, I don't really get why people seem to hate this episode as much as they do
I think if this was made today I wouldn't have liked this episode, but watching it growing up I found it interesting and creative, I could understand this episode in a way more than others might have because of how it was targeted
Honestly, I really like this episode, I always have. I was too young to notice how "bad" it was when I first watched, and its sorta a strange comfort episode for me to go back and watch now and again
I always loved this episode, just thought the whole demon dad thing kinda sucked, conceptually though them being stuck in a drawing is horrifying and I love it.
I think since I watched this one in high school, I was still pretty freaked out about it. Like it reminded me of those shows where a monster lives in someone’s closet and people go missing and they tell you it actually happened. I can see now the flaws but I think I’ll always find it eerie due to how I initially saw it
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"Not you too Bob!"
Best moment of the episode
That's the best part for sure!
Lol
@@becauseimapotato7599 how are you holding up?
He makes it sound like him and bob had a deep relationship throughout their lives wow thats suprisingly powerful for background characters
YOU TOOK A COUNCIL AXE
FROM A COUNCIL VAN
AND NOW YOU'RE DIGGING UP A COUNCIL ROAD
...
I'M REPORTING YOU TO THE COUNCIL!
Best part of the episode, I love that guy
Yeah, he's the best side character. Rose's response is pretty funny, too.
"It's a spaceship. Not a council spaceship, I'm afraid."
Can we have him return someday? He’d be the standout given what we have going on at the moment.
@@xenon8117 Amen, brother.
Drinking game: take a shot every time he said the word "council" in the episode
@@Tulf42 I wouldn't make it to the end
"Unanimously hated"
Actually I don't hate it.
I just forgot about it
I would argue that’s even more of an insult than I hate it
forgettable episodes are very bad
im starting to think doctor who's biggest enemy is actually bad child acting
*Forest of the Night.*
I'm tryna watch Merlin again now
@@brandonbaka1375 lmao
Or badly written children. I still can't believe they thought kids being more upset about the wifi while ON ANOTHER PLANET in Nightmare in Silver was at all realistic. Such a boomer moment.
@@QuokkaCore Good episode
the delivery on "not you too, bob!" had me cackling
he really said ‘not you too bob 🥱😴’
This episode is carried by the performances of David Tennant and Billie Piper, and omg that council guy is amazing
Yeah David and Billie's chemistry is amazing in this episode.
Council guy should've had his own spin off fighting aliens that ruin roads
Who else is still disappointed they didn't have David Tennant light the torch at the real 2012 Olympics?
There was a question on Yahoo Answers about who should light the Olympic flame and I replied that it would be fun if the Doctor did in real life what he'd done in this episode.
Someone must have had a severe sense-of-humour failure - my answer was reported and deleted and I got docked some points.
@@franl155 that’s some serious lack of humour.
@@youraveragepersonwalkingth6850 - I was a tad surprised ...
@@franl155 Lol that’s crazy. I swear some people are actual robots.
@@deanwicks1278 - on YA it only takes two complaints to have a post deleted, whether it's a question or an answer: so two people can decide what the rest of us are allowed to say on a public forum.
Wait, people hate this episode?
I know, it's weird
Me wondering the same thing ha
Ik I actually liked it is it weird😂😬
It a poor episode an has a few flaws, really it need a few more rewrites.
But it was the back up story.
To be honest I didn’t actually find it that bad I thought it would of been fun to do more with the olympics part of the episode. But I never thought it was that bad really, it was just one of those simple episodes really
The "You just took a council axe" line is how I made one of my closest childhood friends. He said the line at the park and we immediately bonded over dr who so this episode has always had a soft spot in my heart
That’s so cute 😭
To be fair it does have a great opening mystery. I often think of it as a great example of how to start a Doctor who episode. An intriguing mystery then BAM into the satisfying theme music.
I do actually agree with you
The Doctor makes a whole group of grown men and women shut up by putting their fingers on their lips.
Yeah it's so bad its good i rest my case.
As a Doctor-Who-Fan,
you surerly watched Jay Exci and his 5 Hour Analysis-Essay, yeah?
I think it’s underrated. It’s quite entertaining and not the worst ever
I agree. I kind of like it.
It has moments like Kel but it is a fairly weak story in comparison to others. It’s definitely on the weak side made worse by Chloe and Trish who are so poorly acted.
@@Joey15811 chole was a bad actor but I think Trish actually did a good job.
Joey Elliott agreed but it’s not the worst ever because it’s watchable imo
lovetolovefairytales i thought she was wooden tbh
Tbh I always find myself rewatching this episode, I’ve never understood the hate for it
Same I love it
I dont love it but I end up watching it because it's a mindless episode like the lodger and closing time I love those 2 episodes tho
i cant watch it. It just doesnt flow well with me and the music so to speak is ear piercing at times and it didnt need to even be in the series. They should of picked out a different episode
Mee too
Honestly, I think how you respond to this episode sort of depends on the kind of childhood you experienced, especially if you first saw this episode as a child. I've seen a large amount of defence for this episode (including mine) come from a place of actually being able to seriously relate to Chloe, whether that's from the domestic abuse angle - and I've genuinely heard multiple very compelling reasons for why the "red light" form of Chloe's dad-drawing is actually better than seeing anything more of it from people who reason that it allowed them to project the image of their own abusive relative/guardian onto it and thus the episode acted as a catharsis for them moreso than if the dad-drawing had been 100% identifiable - or whether, like me, it's from the angle of feeling intensely lonely as a child and unable for whatever reason to fully communicate with family.
Even looking back on it now as an adult and therefore no longer the target audience, I can't even really say that it's *bad* (especially to the extent of being hateable), especially when you take into consideration how uneven S2 was as a whole in terms of quality. I can't help but feel those who hate it merely hate it for not being whatever they wanted it to be, not because they're judging it for what it actually is. At worst, it's a relatively forgettable filler episode that's overshadowed by the finale.
I know people don't like this episode, but I would have still liked to see David Tennant run with the 2012 Olympic Torch, just as a fun reference to this episode.
Matt Evans omg yes that would have been amazing😂😆
I was genuinely disappointed when this didn't happen
They played the TARDIS noise during the opening ceremony as a nod to this episode.
Am I the only one who REALLY wants to know what Stephen Frys “The 1920’s” was about.
Cause I am intrigued 🧐
Whatever it was, Fry did not have enough time to complete rewrites on it
Karen Page - honestly I would be happy just to know what the concept was and why the budget for it was so high
I think it was something similar to The Family of Blood storyline in series 3. Stephen Fry didn't have time to change the writing for Martha. They were going to have it Series 3 if he had the time.
I think this episode is brilliant for rose and the doctor's interations. Ive seen clips from this episode in tons of compilations for rose and 10
I'll always remember this one fondly, because when I first watched it as a kid the idea of the Isolus drifting through space and creating whole worlds just to play in resonated with me so strongly. Pretty much every kid loves to imagine strange and wondrous worlds to play in, but to actually be able to make them real?
Also the child acting doesn't bother me half as much as it seems to most people. That alone probably makes it 10x more enjoyable.
I remember the dad appearing in the cupboard bit being quite scary as a kid and the whole bit with the doctor carrying the Olympic torch was epic. Also since first seeing this episode in 2006 I can't mention the council in my own accent anymore, it's always "THE CAANSIW!"
Honestly, the main reason why I usually skip this episode is because it reminds me of how the 2012 Olympics decided to just ignore Doctor who all together. Those Olympic snobs....
At one part of the ceremony you can hear the Tardis in the background. That's it though, and it's fairly quiet.
@@kjudgemental3648 Yes I remember hearing it and getting excited then.... oh that's it? I was waiting for David Tennet to appear. But unfortunately it never happened.
They were never going to have the Doctor light the real torch.
God I loved the atmosphere here in London when the Games were on. Really felt like the last time Britain was united. The sun was out, people were happy, we got loads of medals, I’d just finished primary school. Good times...
I suspect this is not a popular opinion, but I felt it was two weeks of mass smugness. I have always loved Britain but have never been comfortable with open displays of national pride, and I found it insufferable to be honest.
And the opening ceremony was crap, bar the segments with James Bond and Mr Bean.
Alex Potts Personally I loved the opening ceremony. My aunt and uncle were in it. But each to their own.
Yes! It makes me think o my childhood, London 2012 when things weren't so crazy and I was a schoolkid in london :')
Bang on. It was summer of y6 for me, had all those street parties and accidentally drunk on pimms for the first time, playing DS games with my friends in the living room when we watched doctor who and Sarah jane on demand
I liked the first half, which was more of a mystery to find out what was happening. The suspense was good and I wish they had kept the same tone throughout and made it more of a murder mystery. The second part just ends up being so chessy. While the doctor running with the olympic torch is a cool moment, it just feels over the top. I wish they had restricted the episode to just one lane/gated society and made it more of detective one, with the adults being the red-herrings.
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I also felt the picture of the dead father looked liked darkseid from dc comics if he was human and the light up eyes kind of gave that feel
Omfg, I only just realised that it has the guy from the Inbetweeners that Will gets to buy them three ciders and three carvery dinners in it 😂
Desperate to know the details of the Stephen Fry episode...😭 Also love how this was intended to be a light episode for kids, a story about missing children scared me as a child 🤣 enjoyed it though
I remember being surprised to find that this episode was so reviled. There were parts of it I remember really liking, especially the premise, and the rest was kind of mediocre, which isn't exactly unique to this episode. It's also certainly more memorable than a lot of the episodes I've seen.
I’ve always loved this Story, ever since I was a child. It was so out there and different to all the other Stories I had seen at that point. LOVE the creepy Soundtrack to this Episode and I really enjoy Ten and Rose. I always found the abuse storyline scary and sad, and the closet drawing use to terrify me. And yeah, the setting is absolutely gorgeous. David and Billie just seem like they had a blast filming this. One of my favourite scenes is when he slightly opens up to Rose and tells her he was a Dad once, but then he just brushes it off. It reminds me of what Donna says to Ten in The Doctor’s Daughter, about how he talks but never says anything. I think the Isolas is a beautiful creature and concept, even the name is beautiful. I like the subtle foreshadowing of the Finale as the Torchwood Tower looms in the distance of the shot of the Stadium.
- Fear Her will always be special to me, I’ll always love it. Especially the ending, and I love all the scenes that take place within the TARDIS, especially the hilarious materialisation scene x
Honestly Fear Her was my introduction to Doctor Who as a whole, I kinda liked it and’ll be excited to see what this video has in store when I make room for it
Oh my god the "not you too, Bob!" line always slid past me but the second you pointed it out I cackled 😂
It's a fine episode. Not particularly great its just fine. But the Doctor randomly picking up the Olympic torch at the end was ridiculous 😂😂
Yeah, but it was funny ridiculous. The first time my mom saw that scene I couldn't get her to stop laughing hysterically.
My favorite part was the interaction between the Doctor and Rose in the TARDIS when he mentions his paternal past. Honestly, the Doctor is on point throughout the episode, and Rose is pretty good too. I like the beginning, but it quickly goes downhill. And, Chloe and her mother just kinda... fell flat. Not the worst episode ever, but definitely not the best either. I also feel like the demon dad should have been more prevalent. Cal, Scribble Monster, "not you too, Bob", and the final shot are great as well.
I've seen this referred to as Rose's "social worker" phase
"episode made more for kids"
>Only episode to ever get a 16+ rating in Germany... Ok then...
Sinom wtaf!!??😂😂😅
mate, it's germany, what did you expect
Steven Moffat handled delicate issues like abuse horribly. The River Song / Melody Pond thing is offensively bad, with little respect shown for Amy's trauma and with River's mental health issues actively mocked by the Doctor within minutes of meeting her. This despite him knowing she's been the victim of kidnap and brainwashing. Yet Moffat writes Eleven as more interested in flirting with her than actually helping her. It's all so, so bad.
This episode might have been a bit kids TV, it's true, but at least it didn't introduce an issue like domestic abuse only to drop it without properly addressing it. The climax of the episode is cheaply made and a bit cringe, with the monster dad drawing, red lighting and shaky cam effects. But the pain these characters were feeling was respected, and some effort was made to properly resolve their issues.
I hated Steven Moffat's method of emotionally scarring his characters and then jumping forward six months to have them back to their old selves, with the implication that all their healing and recovery had happened off screen.
Imagine if he hadn't done that. Imagine if Amy's time as a ganger had left her experiencing episodes of depersonalisation, occasionally disassociating from herself and being unable to trust that what she experiences is real. Imagine that being folded into and addressed in a sci-fi plot. Imagine if Rory's attempt to suppress two thousand years of memories and two separate timelines began to seriously effect his memory, and he had to make the choice to give up that past or lose his present. Imagine if we actually saw River spend some time in a space mental health facility, and got to see her own journey mirrored in that of other characters. Something like the Minotaur hotel episode, but where the supporting characters she meets represent the various paths River herself could go down as she attempts to reconcile her trauma at the hands of Kovarian. Will she become vindictive, give in to fear, strive for a "normal" life, or - oh, wait, here comes the Doctor to face off against villain of the week and show her that maybe there's another way, which is to be just a little bit mad and a little bit dangerous, but always keep your heart in the right place. Think of the plots we could have had if Moffat had let character drive story instead of the other way round.
Moffat has a lot of strengths as a writer but character isn't one, and writing realistic, respectful responses to trauma *really* isn't his forte.
Okay, I've never actually commented on yt in my life, but this resonated with me so much I felt I had to say something. Honestly, this situation didn't really hit me until season 6, when Amy's actual newborn daughter was kidnapped and she just kind of goes with it? Like I know Amy knows she grows up to be River but she only asks the Doctor if he's found Melody once and then just kind of leaves it. Like I'm no mother but I've seen mothers' connections with their kids (especially newborns) and I know that most mothers wouldn't eat or sleep or breathe until their child was safe with them. That heart-wrenching scream when Amy loses Melody had me feel like Amy was that kind of mother, but Moffat drops it like he dropped the rest of his character arcs (not to mention Clara's being torn into a thousand versions of herself/the leaf thing/her dead mum, none of which ever get mentioned again??). I'm a huge Moffat fan but yeah, this stuff ruins it for me a little.
Wow. Just wow. This is a great point. Well done.
@@frances7575 I know. All these years later, it still annoys me!
The Melody thing was just mishandled on so many levels, it pains me. The worst part about is that it was obvious where the plot was going from the moment "pregnant Amy" was revealed, and by that stage I'd learned to be a bit wary of how Moffat would handle a plot like that. The loss of Amy's bodily autonomy, the guilt Rory would feel at not having known it wasn't her, and the sense of betrayal they would both feel towards the Doctor, for harbouring his suspicions in secret for so long . . . I was annoyed enough to see those issues ignored in AGMGTW. But I was given hope by Amy's tender moments with her baby, and River's quiet devastation when she realizes she has to refuse Rory her help and can't tell him why. But even in that moment I remember being annoyed that a moment between River and her father had suddenly becoming all about the Doctor soaring and falling and blah blah * insert trailer voiceover speech here *. And then Let's Kill Hitler came along and as you say, Rory and Amy sounded like they were wondering if the Doctor had found their lost car keys yet. Not living their whole lives on hold waiting to find out what happened to their baby daughter. Not desperate to change history and get her back whatever River says about it. Not jumpy or angry or struggling to trust the Doctor. They're just . . . living their lives, coming up with elaborate pranks to get the Doctor's attention, and occasionally looking a bit worried. It doesn't ring true emotionally, at all, and I can't imagine how insulting that would be to watch if you were a parent who had lost a child.
It really did feel like Moffat bit off more than he could chew. He put the wheels of this plot in motion and then thought, "Oh god, now I'm going to have to have my characters permanently altered by this, though. I'm going to have to get all bogged down in their ~feelings~ and sacrifice some of the fun for heavy emotional stuff. Nah, I'll just sidestep it instead."
Honestly he just shouldn't have headed in that direction in the first place if he wasn't willing to follow through.
Personally I’ve always loved this episode. It’s such a fun and wildly imaginative story, with some genuinely great moments with the scribble monster and the Doctor carrying the Olympic Torch.
Also: I would actually argue that Shayne Ward is still relevant. He’s just not really known for his singing anymore. He’s known more for his acting now; he had a very high profile reoccurring role in Corrie as Aidan Connor for instance, and he also starred in a West End production of Rock of Ages. I believe he also has a low budget theatrical film coming out too.
This episode has always been very nostalgic to me. I can still remever watching it when it first came out when I was like 6
It’s pretty naff, but it’s made for great memes with the council guy.
This episode started out well...I remember being disappointed that Danny Boyle didn't give a nod to this in the real Olympic Opening Ceremony
Maybe not, but Matt Smith did get to run the torch in the London Olympics.
Going to be honest, I liked this episode, but only because of vaguely remembered bits of it from my childhood, so when I finally watched it fully, I went into it with a preexisting liking for it, also we need a spin off series about the tarmac guy
Would genuinely rather watch ‘fear her’ than almost any 13 story, they’re all just so boring and badly written.
Demons of the Punjab
Kerblam (except the 10 last minutes)
It Takes You Away
Nikola Tesla's Night of Terrors
Fugitive of the Judoon
Can You Hear Me?
Tempo the one with Lord Byron is better than all those
@@itzimperiumxvi2620 It's an okay episode but it fails to scare me and I find it more boring than otherwise, also the introduction of the lone cyberman was pretty bad
Tempo I didn’t go in to it expecting to be scared, I just like the premis of the episode and think it’s marginally better than some of the other episodes
@@itzimperiumxvi2620 I think it's a good episode (even better than Kerblam! if we count the ending), but it's not one of my favorite from the Chibnall era
Fear Her is a decent episode tho
Ngl, the appearance of FunHaus was surprising but appreciated.
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
Bad? This episode sure scared me as a kid, it was a great concept
There's certainly a great concept in there, but I don't think it's well realised.
@@ftumschk thinking back, it definitely could have been better, perhaps I was just v young and impressionable! not one of my favourite episodes but I couldn't rewatch it for a long time
I didn’t know this episode was considered to be that bad, I’ve always thought it was pretty alright
Appreciate the Funhaus clip, truly are a man with a fine taste
“So bad it’s good” was why I laughed through every second of Orphan 55
Never hated it, but tbf never specifically liked the episode.
The red and light being what we see of the dad is the best thing they could've done. Because its imagined, just a feeling, nothing more.
One thing that always baffles me that the isolus is abducting people because it is lonely, and is confused when the victims are not happy so abducts more people (assuming that it is because they are now lonely too), yet when it decides to snatch the Doctor and the TARDIS this is purely out of malice, because he is a threat to its plan. For a monster that is motivated by love, even if it is misguided in that regard, this is an action that is completely out of character. That’s the action of an out and out evil monster, not a morally ambiguous one. If they had played it differently it might work better (have the isolus snatch the Doctor because he is so wonderful that it wants him to be his friend forever and appear happy when confronted about it).
The ultimate problem is that the child acting in one toned. As the alien she is either angry or bored. There is no attempt at any nuance to the character. The opening has her humming a song, if they had continued that, with some childish glee, it might have been creepier.
Fear her is unironically one of my favourite episodes from childhood, like I remember waiting for the Doctor to show up during the actual torch run in 2012
Also the fact that the 2012 Olympic games didn't have any nod to the doctor bar the half hearted noise of the tardis at the opening ceremony made my heart lift with the fact I thought that yes they'll have him there and then no just a noise wasted opportunity
And there's me thinking Love And Monsters was the most hated episode.....personally i love it and this one lol what can i say i'm easily pleased 🤷♀️😂
I absolutely loved the ending with Ten picking up the dropped Olympic Torch carrying it the rest of the way pity the actual Olympics depicted in that episode couldn't have played on that!
Love how everyone’s still talking bout the series! I started watching the beginning of this year like binging it and honestly a treat! My heart! Like dang. It encapsulates everything I love! Complex characters. Feelings and emotion. So feel good! Little plot points actually having relevance and continuity! So many spinoffs(haven’t gotten around to watching em but some characters legit deserved it. Cept I’m still waiting for the Rise and Ten 2 spinoff to be made, I need it! Hopefully they do decide to do it.)
I could go on for days and I might. Super passionate now Imma save this vid for later!
The shippiness saves this one for me. Such a shippy episode. ❤️
I have a soft spot for Series 2 in general. It was the first series I had on DVD, and I used to watch them back to back, so I have a lot of fond memories attached to it.
This episode has a lot of parallels to "The Idiot''s Lantern":
Both have a major event about to take place that everyone is talking about and which is fairly huge for London. Not only do both episodes have this as a backdrop but both feature preparing for this event and watching it on television.
Both episodes take place on a quiet suburban street. In fact, both episodes have characters describing the neighborhood as nice and quiet with families living there up until things started going wrong. This wouldn't be super significant except that the Rose seasons often featured places like the council estate that Rose grew up in when it's not taking place in Cardiff or central London.
Both episodes' mysteries are about people disappearing, and there is some contention among family members and neighbors about how that mystery should be addressed.
Both involve most time spent in one household. Whether it's the Webbers or the Connellys.
Both involve stealing someone or a part of someone. This comes to a head in each episode when one or the other member of the TARDIS team is taken: Rose's face in "The Idiot's Lantern", and the Doctor in "Fear Her". (Perhaps not coincidentally, these two episodes were actually shot in the same production block, which came right after filming the "Army of Ghosts"/"Doomsday" two parter, and before "The Impossible Planet" / "The Satan Pit". So maybe this worked out nicely, as the writers could write the Doctor out of part of "Fear Her" so David Tennant could film his extra "Idiot's Lantern" scenes, whilst Billie Piper used this time to film her solo scenes for "Fear Her". This does give some context as to the behind the scenes that played a part)
Also - both are kind of meh
this is my #1 comfort episode. i refuse to hear any criticism.
it’s a filler episode. it’s a low-stress, laidback episode that i related to given i was watching during covid, hits all my comfort buttons, is fucking hilarious, and was my introduction to the david tennant era (i was confused why the faces i knew from series one weren’t anywhere else so i picked a random episode and this was how i learned abt regeneration and the concept of companions.)
Yes! It is very comforting
The cold open of this episode always cracks me up
I love this episode. So much comedy gold. The Doctor and the Council guy are hilarious.
I always enjoyed this episode, mostly the council guy, and I enjoyed seeing Tennant and Sosanya together again. I'd have loved some little Casanova reference.
Episode written for kids.
Also the only doctor who episode, that is rated FSK 16 in germany.
That comment about Moffat writing about child abuse really hit home, because I used to get flamed mercilessly when I pointed out that subtext in his stories.
ngl I always rlly liked this episode 😂 I had no idea people didn't like it! each to their own I guess :)
Mad to think when this episode first aired, it was set 6 years in the future. Now it’s set 9 years in the past
as a small child I was terrified of this episode. Imagine the horror when I saw the weeping angels - that's the episode that taught me to wash my hair with my eyes open
"Love is the answer" works very well in this episode imo. Much more than in the lodger episode where love can suddenly makes a cyberman human again (now THAT is ridiculous)
Man, have I been waiting for this.
When I watched this episode, even as a little kid, I never thought it was bad, I just always knew there were loads of ways it could be better
You've taken a council axe,
from a council van
And now you're digging up a council road!
I'm still so upset the actual Olympic Committee didn't get David Tennant to run the final length of the torch-lighting for the 2012 London Olympics, because they EASILY COULD HAVE DONE SO!
So this was actually my first episode that I saw when I snuck upstairs late at night and watched over my parents shoulders without them knowing
7:06 & 9:01 for the “best” lines in the episode
I honestly loved this episode when I was a kid
I had no idea this was hated!!! I loved this ep when I was a kid!!
Before watching this video, i must say that fear her was one of my favourite episodes of DW. So i can’t wait to see why is it better than i thought ^^
This has never been close to one of my least favourite episodes.
Have always liked the concept, and I love the idea, similar to Father's Day, of the Doctor going missing, leaving the companion to sort things out. Adds a nice bit of dread to it.
Wouldn't call it one of my favourites, now, but definitely doesn't deserve the hate
This was actually the first episode of the show I ever watched. I actually found it pretty interesting. It was at least interesting enough to continue watching the series.
And honestly, I feel like the show has had worse ADULT actors. I never found the kid's performance to be distracting really.
This ones weird, because it was supposed to be futuristic but now its a period piece!
Wow, sneaky Clock Tower 3 reference at the start of the second round
Bob, BOB!
Not you too Bob
I remember this being one of my favourite episodes and I was excited about it now that I’m doing a rewatch (kinda stopped around the end of 11s time) and it hit all the right beats for me again, it was a fantastic episode so I wanted to see why other people think it’s so great and I guess… they don’t? I honestly am genuinely shocked to hear people hate this episode
the moment when he erases the graphite ball was neat
I was 3 when this episode first aired and I loved it. I still get nostalgic re-watching it
3:05 I think you're the first native English speaker I've ever heard pronounce the T in "soften" non-ironically.
I didn't even know people hate this episode tbh, I've always liked it.
I find the concept of drawings coming to (or snatching) life super interesting and loved how it was used here, with the plan being to make earth itself disappear. It demonstrates how powerful this ability can be, used in the wrong way.
My liking of "Fear Her" might be partly because I'm an artist myself but I don't think the episode's objectively bad. It has a unique concept, explored in an interesting way. Besides, bad child acting often doesn't bother me as much so I don't think of this part as negatively.
Another reason for me liking this episode is the Doctor picking up the torch near the end. Idk why, but I loved this scene so much when I first watched this episode. Combined with the commentator of the Olympics, it just sent such a hopeful message that I can't say I dislike it.
All in all, I don't really get why people seem to hate this episode as much as they do
Wow I didn't expect to see a Funhaus clip here :D
If i had a penny for every love actually actor in this episode i'd have two pennies
I think if this was made today I wouldn't have liked this episode, but watching it growing up I found it interesting and creative, I could understand this episode in a way more than others might have because of how it was targeted
Personally my least favorite episode of series two is “The Idiot’s Lantern”
man, that was my favourite
i was absolutely in love w it
Honestly, I really like this episode, I always have. I was too young to notice how "bad" it was when I first watched, and its sorta a strange comfort episode for me to go back and watch now and again
3:23 that guy was also a polish migrant factory worker in the sontaran stratagem...
You would love to see “1920s” be adapted for Big Finish.
I mean, i loved it always have and always will
I love these videos can’t stop watching them keep it up bro
This was the first ever dr who episode I ever saw
It’s good compared to the last few years. It wasn’t completely awful but it was one of the throwaways we never used to worry about
I always loved this episode, just thought the whole demon dad thing kinda sucked, conceptually though them being stuck in a drawing is horrifying and I love it.
I like the episode, it also had a cat in it briefly that wasn't an evil cat nun nurse so that's a bonus lol.
I think since I watched this one in high school, I was still pretty freaked out about it. Like it reminded me of those shows where a monster lives in someone’s closet and people go missing and they tell you it actually happened. I can see now the flaws but I think I’ll always find it eerie due to how I initially saw it
I quite like the attention to detail for it though. Just noticed the number plate of the Smart car being from 2011/2012 so no bad 😂
This was my first dw episode that I saw on tv as a kid/teen...still got me into watching the whole show, so it has a nostalgic feel to it for me