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"Most people don't realize how much work it takes" Pro character artist on getting hired
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2024
- A discussion with Senior Character artist, Daniel Orive, from Riot Games (Artstation: www.artstation.com/danielorive). We talk about the work ethic of artists and what's required to get a job in the industry.
Chapter marks:
3:20 Are some artists just "gifted"?
6:38 Why some artists don't improve
15:50 Work culture at Riot Games
18:40 How to get out of art slumps
23:04 Seeking motivation
27:05 Is it better to focus on one art style, or many?
34:00 The value of feedback
39:47 Recommended online resources
45:00 Daniel's experience in art school
51:42 How hardcore practice led to a job in one year
56:15 When to listen or ignore feedback
1:00:10 Is art school worth it?
1:04:14 Identifying scam schools
1:08:30 Can technology replace artists jobs?
1:11:33 Advice for 18yr olds today?
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Back to work boys... Back to work, enough dreaming. Let's express the dream. =))
"We dance for laughter, we dance for tears, we dance for madness, we dance for fears, we dance for hopes, we dance for screams, we are the dancers, we create the dreams" -A Einstein
Thanks! I needed to read that today :D
Hell yeah
You should try interviewing the 'late bloomers' or the guys that got into 3d later in their life
That would be interesting. I always feel doubtful pursuing this path because I can see lots of talented people that are younger than me.
Christopher Huber hey man. I've been working as a chef for 10 years. I have been doing 6 months of blender and it doesn't feel like work to me, it feels like I was meant to do this. I tried programming and I liked it a lot but then I got introduced to a modeling course and I haven't looked back since.
@Christopher Huber
I am the same. I went to AI and not a single art job. Right now I have a pretty good job that pays well with excellent benefits. So it's difficult to think should I try to pursue the game industry again. With the game industry you kind of know what you are in for. Work terrible hours due to poor management, most of the royalties are paid to the producers, don't get paid well compared to similar positions in other industries, then get fired once your work is not needed.
As for my work, I was good but not great and had trouble showing how well I can work. Definitely overcoming procrastination while sitting at your computer is tough. It's easier when there is nothing around to distract you with strict deadlines.
Moving to the Blender community was probably the best move I have made in regards to 3D. The tool is a lot better than both 3DS Max and Maya. The support from the community is a lot better. However, you will have difficulty finding work if you do most of your work in Blender since most studios don't use or want to support it. You at least need to know how to get your work into 3DS Max or Maya from Blender.
It's good to see I'm not the only old fart learning blender :) Don't let your age get in the way.
I'm with you too...also look at incorporating Unreal into your work flow...it's amazing.
Was retrenched at a senior animator job when the studio had financial problems. This happened after losing my mother to a stroke. Had to take a job with lower pay and bad projects for over 2 years. Lucky to say I'm doing great work again at a new job. Life does gets dark and it's tough to keep your passion alive. Glad to say It has turned around again.
That's great dude, hope you have a good life
i Haven't even watched the whole thing and im telling you, we love interviews. keep them coming please
Cheers mate. Glad people like em :)
Blender Guru please more tutorials tho...
Depends on the interview... That creator of blender interview was kinda boring to me. But loved this one though!
Also, he does a bit to many of those comments in the subscription box
King Deded3 you found that boring? that was super interesting to me tho. Ton seems like a great guy to have a conversation with :D
Not to me. skipped through some parts. just some blabla.
I feel so identified with this guy, I graduate from college as a graphic designer, since that I feel like this past 5 years I have been jumping from a field to another looking for a place to fit, I started working in the advertisement industry, then on architecture, then on web design, lastly on programming, but what I always wanted to do since I was young was to design characters, environments, etc for video games. Honestly, every day I think more about that and what made me step back was fear of thinking that I won't be good enough to get into the video games industry because I don't have any more time to dedicate to learning to reach that level. After hearing this story I realize that I was wrong and it is wrong to think that you don't have the skills without even trying, and he is right, I'm just lazy and trapped in a comfort zone.
Thanks for posting this interview +Blender Guru and +Daniel Orive what an amazing interview. I will give another shot to my dreams.
Carlos Garcia glad to hear for you personally that it's a matter of breaking out the comfort zone. -i think a tricky (trickier?) problem can be if your lack of faith in yourself can stop you from being motivated (by thinking you're not good enough). -but you don't seem to be at that stage and that is great. :-) honestly I think that. -does that make sense? Also I wanted to ask you about getting work in architecture. This kind of reflects my current situation a little bit. --i historically always wanted to make content for games. But I'm not really imaginative in fictional/fantasy character design. I was more inspired by projects like the grand theft auto games and their reflection of the real world, in terms of pop culture characters, and architectural design. With that in mind, I begun to model buildings. Just because they are obviously non-organic for the most part. I've been trying to approach architects to see if I could offer visualisation services to them but I haven't been very successful. -its possible that my 'finished' work is not demonstrative enough of the final pitch (I haven't rendered them with any lighting yet, and have v.little texturing). Sort of hit a block in the road a bit because I model on an old pc, new a new one to render really, but GPU are so expensive STILL. -thanks bitcoin :-p
I started to think that maybe ppl were just not interested in a non-architect doing their work. (Maybe it's true, or maybe it's my incomplete work).. can you offer any insight into what you got up to in terms of architecture?
just so you can see what I mean about unfinished work / not 'final' -(I'm talking about the kind of rendered images you see in promotional materials), here is my stuff: www.sketchfab.com/skillipevolver
Carlos?
I have a question is it hard to find a job as a 3d artist? I feel like I don't wanna put soo much time into this if I can't find a job in Sweden
Well, I live in South America, the 3d industry is smaller than Europe, I realized this fast, so I changed my goal from 'Work in videogames' to 'Work in 3d', I started to research what other industries rely on 3d. I found that the easiest way to improve my 3d skills was in architecture, visual merchandising, motion graphics, and graphic design. I started in visual merchandising making visuals of displays for stores and supermarket, this projects are small, short, and fast, and will help you to build a portfolio, in your free time you could work in personal projects related to videogames, so you could apply later for a job inside the videogames industry in your country or abroad.
but to be honest, CG design is way more difficult even when you are majored in. The market only need the top one to design something. Unlike coding, and other fields.
These interviews are amazing, there's a sense of self betterment as a motive for the interview so it give it more purpose.
Dragon Skunk thanks! That was my focus for each interview. Hoping to deliver value to the aspiring artists out there :)
"everyone has Different Way, to reach the Goal. Don't follow the others. Make your own Way"
Another tutorial from this video, how to make your life more better
Thank you for listing the timestamps of the "chapters," this video sounds really helpful!!
I look forward to watching this in full when I have time!
Glad you appreciate it! I watched it twice to make sure they were accurate :P
Love these video interviews. Very nice initiative from you. Thanks!
Always loved your teaching style but the fact you actually sit down with the art community for interviews big respect man thank you for these!
I love the direction this channel is going in, following your journey. thank you for consistently providing us with content.
thank you SO MUCH for putting up these interviews!! really appreciate it!!
Such a humble person. Thanks for the interview Andrew, keep it up.
these interview series are great. Thx for the work!
I love the all your videos but, my favorite are your interviews. I've been pointing all my art friends to them. Keep them coming please! :)
Hats off to both andrew and daniel for doing this interview! Amazing questions and answers AND the TLC in the description of the video. Extremely helpful, thanks guys!!
I didn't know the name Daniel Orive before I watched this interview, what a thoroughly bloody nice bloke and full of inspiring words, if you see him again please tell him his English is excellent. If you ever read this yourself Daniel, thankyou for the motivation :)
Really liking this series so far, it is pretty cool to see people talk about their experiences.
So much positive energy coming from this interview, thank you. :)
this guy is really inspiring. by his portfolio u really can see a wide diverse of art - its really great to hear his opinion about "multi artist" that he belives that every genre of art can improve u in another one.
thank u for ur video, u got yourself another subscriber
Absolutely love these interviews. You have no idea what they mean to me as an aspiring artist. The level of communication and professionalism in these interviews is absolutely remarkable. I would love to see more of these interviews.
Amazing interview!! Thanks a million you both.
Andrew, these interviews are so good. Thank you!
I'm a music producer... and this testimony.... or talk.. is great and motivating even for people that are not working in 3D animation. Nice, thank you...
Mimidhof same here
Every video I watch from him reaffirms this thought: "Blender Guru?" more like Life Guru.
I love game music man, you guys don't get near as much credit as you should. You are the ones that bring the game ambience to life which creates immersion.
ur in a slump too huh? I've like hit a wall with my music. It's been a year and I have no idea what to do :(
@@ayite8163 do what you like
This interview is just gold!
Thank you Andrew and Daniel Orive.
Great interview! Please keep doing these, you're awesome.
Great interview, thank you for the video!
Andrew. Thank you. Thank you for getting this on the net. Thank you for talking to all this great people. Thank you really bro. I am infinitely grateful and if I ever "make it" I'll be sure to let you know how much influence you and your videos had.
Thank You so much for the interview, Daniel and Andrew.
I feel like this interview is like a chat with a friend, sharing his experience, preparing you mentally for the road ahead. Really appreciate this!
This is an awesome interview. The timestamps are also great. Keep it coming.
His thoughts about pushing yourself.. and not being content.. everything he says basically is something I've always tried to say to others.. Amazing talent and perfect perspective on things. Fantastic interview!
Thank you so much for doing these! As an 18 year old, I love hearing what these successful, well established people have to say. You always see things like this in other industries like business, but it almost never happens for art, 3D design, vfx, etc.
You're doing aspiring/developing artists a massive service, and I can't thank you enough :)
I really like your interviews, thanks for doing this.
That was I want to hear!! Very impressive conversation:}
// Outstanding interview, very insightful and inspiring. Thank you for taking the time to share your experience with us!
* begins to work on tools *
Super interview! Thanks
Thanks for doing this interview, It helped me a lot!
As a 18 years old - amazing video! I really appreciate what you do Andrew, these kinds of videos are a huge motivation for me. Also thanks to Daniel, I found myself in many of his situations mentioned in video. Very educational!
Thank you Andrew for such an interesting interview. Keep moving! 😉🤘
I love these, very helpful, informational. Great to have an insight into someone's experience who is further down the road giving advice on how to get there. Amazing! Thank you so much Daniel and Andrew, it's really appreciated.
thank you very much for this cosy talk!
Really insightful! Thanks Andrew!
nice interview, thank you for this
This is an excellent video!!!! Many thanks!
Great interview! I really like the way Daniel thinks, also his attitude and work ofc! :D
It's a very fine addition to your channel.
Cheers!
So inspiring, thank you guys!
Love it!
Greetings from Germany.
Andrew, I love you! This is like a dream come true. I am truly grateful to you man. you know what I watched each interview at least 10 times. keep them coming!!!
AMAZING video !!! Thank you so much guys !! really
Watching the entire thing thank you so much for this and all that you do.
Killing it Andrew
Ty Andrew for these videos, they are very helpful to us and we appreciate them very much. I wish you have a great day! :)
Thanks guys, for the great motivational insight for all of us indies struggling out in the hinterlands...it sometimes gets soooo cold!
I really like these videos andrew, amazing to see great people to follow
fantastic interview. Great questions asked.
I love how in every interview Andre has a smile that just reflects his excitement of making the interview. He looks as happy as a kod in a toy store X3
you mean cod? :D
Thank you Andrew Price and Daniel Orive! It was a great talk.
Awesome and very inspiring. The filosofi of how to approach the life of work is spot on.
This series offers sooo much valuable knowledge, you are doing great as interviewer, congratulations and thank you very very much Andrew!
this is really interesting, would love more interviews
love this interviews! keep up with the good stuff ;)
Wow...just wow. This interview means so much to me you have no idea. I’m keeping this for future references. Thank you so much!
100%
I love it, thank you for this! Really help me a lot
i really like this series! keep up and stay strong :D i would love to have more concept artist interviews :D
I love this interview! Please do more, Andrew you're awesome
Awesome Interview and great questions that were asked. I've see the benefits of both paths of the learning to get industry. Learning on your own you do save a lot of money. Though in the art schools you get to work together on team projects as a group, and that might be option. on your own. Looking forward to more videos like this one.
What a fantastic interview, thank you for this, very helpful Andrew (y)
It feels like some of my anxiety are lifted. Thank you for the inspiration sir. Thank you for the advises and I will never stop improving. I will rewatch this again so I will never forget to be positive and continue to work hard and believe in myself.
Another great interview. Thank you, kind Sir.
Excellent interview with great advice on realistic expectations on what to look for. This was great to listen to while modeling for a challenge as it helped to concentrate on the task at hand while learning what it is I should prepare myself for if I truly care to advance with this platform in the future.
MORE INTERVIEWS PLEASE!!!!
About 12 more on the way :)
OMG YES! is it all going to be about artist? or is there going to be something else? btw love your videos, im not good at drawing but this interview really makes me want to work hard at being good at making art! :)
Mostly all with artists. Though a few with people from higher ups, like founders of Barnstorm VFX house and Alex Alvarez from Gnomon School.
This was a really special video for me, because I was listenning to it while i was working (still working) for a videogame in a small studio here in Mexico, and helped me re-ignite my motivation to keep working hard and smart to get a job at Blizzard :3, please bring more game industry related content dude... It's just magical
The way he said "Some people do art just to get it out there and not thinking about your personal development (or something he said about self dev) is not trying hard enough" hit me so hard.
hey this video had so many useful information. it is always great to get advice from people who have expirience.
8:47 I completely agree. I used to think it was bad that I felt jealous of how good other artists were, but I've noticed it has helped me improve a lot!
thanks man. this is amazing stuff. its really helpful for newcomer like us.. cheers
awesome interviews.
Wow! Probably one of the best game industry (and in general) interview. Thank you so much for a another insightful interview Andrew. You are a good interviewer and are able to probe to get insightful responses and not to get just typical answers but expound on it. Either that or your interviewees just have deep insightful answers on their own. haha. Keep em coming. Love your style of interview. Daniel gives some deep honest answers that hit me hard as a game artist myself. A good wake up call.
Awesome stuff!!
This is the best video on RUclips it’s very inspiring as a young artist I haven’t even finished whatching this video and had changed the way I think about my artwork keep it up man your videos are great 👍
Great great great video. Awesome information. Thanks a lot for this.
You do great interview's man. Make lot more these are very motivational and informative
Really fantastic interview! Very interesting person and his way of life.
Thank you so much Andrew for that interview! Awesome man!
This is very inspired me. Thank you for another good video
my god, this is gold for me, I'm currently a UX Designer who's aspiring for concept art myself:) , this is part of my research. Feels good to see there are others who've transitioned from different fields into concept art as well. Kudos
Wow! Here goes a super honest career story coming from truely passionate professional.I have just been in the industry for about a year, but could relate a lot.... thoroughly inspiring.
Awesome interview great stuff!
As a fellow Spaniard and a wanna be Character Artist (I hope) soon, this interview is highly appreciated. Thanks both!
thanks you, I so much love this interview series, this video help people like me (learning cg ) have more motivation to continue learning, sir thank you so much
Andrew, you are awesome, while I'm a 3Ds Max user but I never miss any video on this channel, the way you make tutorials and videos are very interesting. I like the new series of the interviews they are very helpful and inspiring I watch this interview untile the end while I'm working. Thanks for everything. Love from IRAQ ^_^
Amazing interview
im watching ur interviews when im motivating myself to work! soon i can qoute them!
Thanks for this ! I have come across his name and his art before but didnt know much about the man. He seems like a really chill dude and got some really good points.
A lot of my questions were answered in just one hour! Thank you Mr Daniel Orive and of course, Andrew my man :)
This just made my Sunday awesome. .. Thank you Blender Guru . Just keep all the interviews coming .. it would be more awesome if it's kinda game related in a way ..
I love his attitude! Nice interview series and hmm, maybe i'll go for another tutorial before bedtime! #Motivation!
Hey, Guru,
Just coming here to say that these videos are super interesting and they keep us motivated to improve on our careers.
Thank you for the job.
speechless, this is perfect, THANK YOU
thank you for this
I love interviews, keep doing 💪♥!
Amazing video