Can You Beat Final Fantasy 5 Without Jobs or Armor?
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- Опубликовано: 7 янв 2024
- This game is incredibly deep and well-balanced - what happens if we push that to its breaking point by ignoring all its basic mechanics? Hey there guys, NovemberJoy here, and welcome to the Reptile Rumble! Today, let's find out if you can beat Final Fantasy 5 without jobs or armor! Instead of Four Job Fiesta, I decided to do NO Job Fiesta, and the results might just be interesting!
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"The party becomes so desperate they try casting spells they don't even know" swiftly followed by "all 0 of his skills" was a one-two comedy punch that really got me
I'm glad you enjoyed that part, I was anxious that I wasn't treating the moment right. Glad to know the jokes were still capable of hitting!
@@NovemberJoyDeadpan humor/levity nearly always gets the benefit of the doubt?
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oh hi noelle
snowgrave moment
imagine being so tilted at the prospect of your parents telling you to get a job that you friggin save the entire world on a cross-planet journey just to avoid doing it.
I can only imagine. Hikiko, on the other hand...
Opening line "getting a job is hard" was way too relatable
That was part of the idea - that, and following it up with saving the world instead. Glad you enjoyed it!
Saving the world is the easy part, too.
"Can't get a job without armor, can't afford armor without a job." -the 2020s economy.
Funnily enough, we couldn't afford armor but we could afford dozens upon dozens of potions...so I guess our band of jobless wanderers has a drinking problem, huh?
That was more early 2000's lol
And that's why voting matters.
39:27 there’s an even cheaper strategy for taking out the sea trench bosses.
None of them are immune to instant death. One of the Magic Lamp’s summons is Odin. The lamp version of Odin will always attempt to use Zantetsuken (inflicts instant death on all enemies) instead of Gungnir.
This means that if you use the Magic Lamp to summon Odin, he will instantly kill all 3 bosses in the fight.
Oh right, that does work! I think I'd read that one before, but never actually tried it. Would've made things a whole lot easier in that fight! Thanks for the suggestion!
I will have to try this !
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Thank you for playing FFV, sometimes it feels left to the sides while the other entries in the series get much more attention.
I really like FF5, so I wanted to make a video about it even if it's not the most popular entry in the series. Maybe I'll get to some of the others someday?
Them blue mages might be worth your while should you decide to do another video on this game.@@NovemberJoy
Blue mages trivialize the game
I absolutely love FFV. I have a vivid childhood memory of playing it with my little brother on the anthology disc with FFVI, on a playstation in a hotel room. We were evacuating from a hurricane so basically trapped in a hotel room for several days, but we remembered to grab the PS1. I don't remember if we finished the game but I remember loving the way the job system was implemented in FF5.
This is what you want a challenge run to become. Having to use unusual strategies youd never bother with normally, having throwaway items be godsends.
Subbed in the hopes that the rest of your vids are as cool as this. Gonna go binge watch and find out.
Yeah, it's the strategies and new ways of playing the game that really make a challenge run worthwhile. Hopefully you'll enjoy the rest as well!
Literally my (current) favorite take on the job system. I loved having Bartz as the back row support while Lenna was the physical DPS.
This is still my favorite take on the job system. It nails a lot of things, ranging from being able to mix and match abilities to giving almost every job some good utility and/or damage to rely on, but the thing I think it does best is being able to swap your build on a whim. In Bravely Second, I picked up a mage asterisk later in the game and I basically can't use it unless I grind several job levels because it can only use the first-level spells even if you have it as your current job. Meanwhile in FF5, if you want to use magic you can just become a mage and you have access to every spell from that category at the cost of low HP and physical stats alongside worse equipment options. Gaining job levels in FF5 feels more like a reward for using the class that you can carry to other classes as opposed to Bravely Second where it feels like a necessary chore just to be able to use the class in any effective capacity. Thanks for coming to my TED talk, and hope you enjoyed the video!
@@NovemberJoy I only have two genuine complaints about FF5's Job system: Red Mage and Dragoon. And they aren't so much complaints about the job system and more about the jobs themselves.
Red Mage is a decent job in the early game, but falls off harder than a motorcycle into the grand canyon, which REALLY isn't good if you're doing a Four Job Fiesta and didn't roll White Mage or Black Mage. Otherwise, the only reason to use Red Mage is to get Dualcast, which isn't even good ON Red Mage because they can only cast level 3 white and black magic. So during a FJF you'll just stick them with an enhancer or grind staves of light in world 2 for three hundred hours because that's the only way they can do decent damage otherwise.
Dragoon, on the other hand, suffers from "The Devs thought this was going to be too good" syndrome and, as a result, CANNOT HOLD SPEARS IN TWO HANDS. You know... like how spears are often held. I get maybe if the reigning thought was "If we have them able to hold them in two hands they'll just equip doublegrip and do exclusively that", because yeah, players would absolutely exclusively make dragoons have doublegrip. Because SPEARS SUCK! And with a lack of ability to do their thing well because jumping requires a spear to do double damage (which is apparently a different thing than double battle power), they are literally just a worse Knight who can't do damage outside of whatever abiliity you saddle them with.
Thank YOU for coming to MY TEDx talk, and yes, I am very much so enjoying the video ^^
Faris always main carry.
Alternate title: Cutting down an evil tree while unemployed and naked
...You know, you're kinda right. Must be embarrassing to be defeated by nudists.
Been playing V for years and still learn new things. Also for the Neo Exdeath fight the unicorn part (or the Grand Cross part) is vunerable to Break, so that could've helped you out alot.
Oh yeah, you can hit it with Break! I totally forgot about that. I don't think it's a 100% chance, but if it is possible then it would've been worth a try!
Break on Grand Cross has saved my ass a few times with difficult party compositions and low levels. Doesn't always work but if you can land it before the forst Grand Cross hits, it makes the rest of the fight so much more comfortable
I love that FFV gives you so many tools that you can (with difficulty) completely circumvent the need to use its primary system.
Not only circumvent its primary system, but also circumvent the need to use four out of five equipment slots! I'd say the sheer number of tools it gives you is FF5's main strength.
That battle with Omniscient was GENIUS! Omg, that was SO cool
It was pretty funny too, on top of that.
I kinda stumbled onto that solution while experimenting, but I'm glad you enjoyed it so much! It was definitely not the way I was expecting to fight Omniscient, but it worked all the same!
My hats off to you. I imagine this took at least 3x the amount of time to beat it, but it was cool to watch this and see someone do it
It did take a much longer time to beat, that much is certain. Glad you enjoyed watching the final product!
22:33 Blood Sword is great with Rapid Fire or Aim, that way it can't miss. But for this run it's useless, since you can't use those abilities.
Yeah, I can see how those would help a lot. Too bad it wasn't available here, it would've been really helpful to be able to deal damage and heal at the same time!
Jobless and underprepared... thanks to Joy, we've finally got relatable protagonists in a video game!
Mediocre jokes aside, great work! I don't know much about Final Fantasy (outside of *that* one most know), but your skill and effort still shows throughout the video. I hope it blows up like the others!
Like a Dragon 7 and 8? Literally same concept and also jrpgs
@@xbon1 Oh, good to know! I'm not very familiar with JRPGs as a whole.
That was part of the joke I was going with, yeah. Glad you enjoyed it, I was hoping people would enjoy it even if they weren't fans of Final Fantasy!
On a side note, I wasn't aware of Yakuza: Like a Dragon having that premise. "Ichiban" could've been a good name if it weren't too long for the 6 character limit.
Nice video! I'm glad you came up with strategies when you hit roadblocks instead of just grinding at every turn.
Thanks! It's always more fun to try to solve problems with what you have rather than grinding, especially since any RPG challenge has an unwritten bonus rule to finish at the lowest level you reasonably can!
ITs really interesting to see how challenging these bosses really could be, if we hadn't figured out ways to absolutely break the hell out of the game with class combos. Its a really cool way of the game being balanced. Bosses are hard, but you constantly have access to many ways of being insanely OP, so its okay.
Yeah, it also helps that even this weak party has ways to demolish bosses as long as they're vulnerable to status ailments. Gave me a very different view of some of these bosses afterwards!
You'd probably enjoy the Four Job Fiesta, it's a challenge run where you get only four jobs to work with and need to beat the game with that limited selection. You can get some combos that synergise well and others that leave you half-stranded on some bosses, but there are always workarounds to every challenge. Tje game has enough subtle contingencies you can learn and use to make every run possible
@@Inzoum oh yeah I've done it. I also impose different limitations myself whenever I replay it.
"Final Fantasy 5, but I play it like Final Fantasy 2" is this challenge in a shellnut, and I love it
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...you know, I didn't think about it that way but it kinda makes sense! I still prefer the progression in this challenge over Final Fantasy 2's, though, that's for sure. Glad you enjoyed!
How is any of this even remotely similar to FFII???
Reflecting a physical buff spell that supposed to prevent casting as a downside off an ally onto the magic boss, then using a normally impossible to use vulnerability to prevent them from using the buff, is such an insane strategy that I can do nothing but applaud the immense creativity.
10:48 No way! I didn't know you could change the weapons mid fight, that's awesome.
It's a very useful mechanic, especially if you're willing to abuse breakable rods. I can see how you might have never found it in a normal playthrough, though!
Suddenly seeing this in my homepage and watching it sent me to a nostalgia trip. This game defined my childhood. When I was young, I was too dumb to beat the game so I'd just fly around the world, fight random monster and leveling jobs. It was fun for me because of how much the game would hypnotize a childhood me. Thank you for posting this video and reminding me of an innocent and happy childhood that I've long since lost.
Trust me, I know the feeling. I still remember grinding up to level 50 or so in the first world...funny how much things have changed since then. Glad to hear this video made you feel something like that!
If you're willing to take on a different challenge for final fantasy 5, I want to know "can you 100% final fantasy 5 with one character?" Essentially, you need to take one character and max them out on every class in the game. And get all the collectibles and optional bosses with only one character doing everything (with the expectations of course involving story forced player moments where you can't play as certain characters)
Well...that should be entirely doable, it would just take a long time to max out one character and get them through the bonus dungeon! Might be fun to try one of these days on a stream or something...
Every job sans berzerker can pull it off. Although for Atomos you need to slightly bend the rules with some jobs classes to pull it off without obscene grinding.
@@arciks11 solo zerker can beat the game, but it requires a glitch only available on the SNES version. There's a video of the Neo Exdeath fight on RUclips. That run can't do every side content though. For example, Omniscient at Fork Tower is doable with only Berserkers, but you need more than one so you can time the Mage Masher Silence procs with another hard hitting attack in order to avoid the reset
That can actually be okay to do,don't you think?
@@Inzoum Sure it may be theoretically possible with Solo Zerker but I consider the odds of it happening to be unreasonable without heavy Save State abuse.
Extremely impressive stuff my dude, I was introduced to FFV by my best friend, this is his favourite FF game, I need to show him this!
Glad you enjoyed! I know I'm pretty late on this, but if your friend watched this then hopefully he had a good time watching it too!
@@NovemberJoy I'm his friend and I had a great time watching this video, it was a fun and crazy journey xD
+1 sub! x)
The perfect thing to watch while walking back and forth in Galuf's basement.
Edit: 37 for Exdeath? Trying to master a bunch of jobs early means I'm around 50 before the crystals. I might be a touch overpowered.
Bruh I'm like 47-48 at the final boss.
Yeah, trying to master jobs anywhere besides the very beginning areas of the game or the final Void area will leave you extremely overleveled due to how much extra EXP you'll gain along the way. A standard playthrough without grinding will reach about level 38 or so, while my first complete playthrough was about level 50 due to taking the Brave Blade and never escaping from any encounter. I think I got through this challenge without having to overgrind too much!
Congrats! When I saw your title I didn't think you'd have too much trouble since defense isn't that important in the game. Not allowing any accessories though, that does create a lot of problems. You missed a few minor strats but were able to find your own way through anyway, well done! There are some more bosses you can blind with the darkness bow, and weapons like the sage staff do 8x damage in big chunks to undead while the apollo harp does 8x damage to undead AND dragons (sorry, Bahamut is not flagged as a dragon but the Grand Cross part of NeoExDeath is). The flat 50% chance to inflict paralysis on hit from certain whips is definitely clutch, glad you made good use of it.
I figured there probably were more enemies I could blind, but there weren't too many foes that I felt the need to blind throughout the game and blindness sadly has no visual indicator of when it's been inflicted. I knew about the Sage Staff wrecking undead enemies, but I didn't know the Apollo Harp did actual damage! I thought it would just be percentage damage like every other harp in the game. Thanks for the highly detailed comment, I'm glad you enjoyed!
35:16 Omniscient is probably vulnerable because immunities need to be added on and they probably figured the Counter Return was enough.
You're probably right on that point, it just completely took me by surprise that it worked on him! I guess whips are a severely underrated weapon type...
0:25 "Incredibly balanced gameplay"
Honestly, the gameplay design in this game is so good that's its possible to beat the game with every job by itself, and with a single character. Except 1, and that's Berserker. Solo Character Berserker can make it to the final boss, but beating it is so RNG heavy you could beat the game solo as every other job(Even the GBA ones) before it defeats Neo Exdeath.
This was a good watch, and a great use of Freelancer's biggest strength: the use of any weapon type, and using it to cast those much needed spells.
Yeah, I was actually partially inspired by reading through a bunch of solo runs online and seeing the common problems and solutions they run into! I think I strategized reasonably well with the Freelancer's strengths and weaknesses. Glad you enjoyed!
@@NovemberJoy A fellow Sulla enjoyer I see.
@@AxelRyman I spent maybe a bit too much time reading those solo runs. Glad to find a fellow Sulla enjoyer as well!
This was quite excellent, congrats on beating this challenge, and some extra stuff on top with avoiding some of the cheese :)
Oh hey, I think I've seen a video or two of yours before! I hoped that avoiding cheese would make things more interesting. This wasn't as hard as some of the solo runs you've already done, but I still think it was an interesting one that required some novel strategies!
@@NovemberJoy That's the great part about FF5, allowing us to come up with more and more strategies ^^
Also, I'm happy to hear you've seen some of those :D
There are a few enemies who will cast Float on you if you confuse them, great for navigating lava floors!
I found out about that later, but I never used it for navigating lava floors. That would've made Exdeath's Castle and the Great Sea Trench a lot easier if I'd remembered!
Weird to think that at the time it actually was a big plot twist that the final boss had a second form. Neo ExDeath was the first one in the franchise.
I dunno how much of a twist it was when Dragon Quest has been doing it since the first game.
Final Fantasy 4's final boss technically had 3 forms- the 'vampire' lookin tall guy, ZEMUS who was taken out by Golbez and FuSoYa, his 'evil blue hairball' form ZEROMUS, and then after being hit with the crystal in battle, turns into the 'ALIEN SPACE CATFISH' ZEROMUS. So it wasnt a big plot twist, nor was X death the first to do it
I guess it is technically the first one with two forms fought back-to-back in a single fight, but technically FF4 and the Dragon Quest games had done it before. Still, it's enough of a staple by this point that Final Fantasy final bosses almost never have only one form.
You came up with some incredible strategies. Great job!
To be fair, a lot of these strategies are known from the Four Job Fiesta and other challenges people have done over the years. For the strategies I did find, though, hopefully you enjoyed those along with the video!
This kind of speed run should be called a Millennial Run.
I mean...Millennials usually wear clothes from what I've seen, but I guess you can make it work? I definitely wouldn't call this a speedrun, though - I took quite a while getting through this one!
For what it’s worth, I really liked it! I’ve never actually played or seen a Final Fantasy game before, so this was a fun first exposure to me. Nice video!
I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it, even with practically no Final Fantasy experience! It's a pretty nice series to get into if you like RPGs.
Excellent job on a great game, and good humour too :D
That seemed quite a well-researched run - and even then the comments have tips and tricks you never found, FFV is really solid.
It's very solid, and very deep as well. Glad you enjoyed the video!
I now feel bad about struggling with anything in this game considering I use armor and jobs! 😅 Seriously awesome job, and very entertaining presentation quality in your vid!
Glad you enjoyed the video! Don't feel bad, this game can be surprisingly tough if you don't know what you're doing!
Can’t wait to see this! A lot of work was put into this one, that’s for sure.
Thanks, a lot of work was put into it!
Never knew luigi was in this game
Lol
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I was hoping someone would appreciate that little gag I added in editing! If you're doing absolutely nothing, you gotta put the Luigi cap on.
I’m glad you’re back. Love that you are expanding challenge runs to other rpgs.
This is a game I really liked and that has a lot of potential for challenges, so I thought it'd make for a good video. Hopefully you enjoyed, I'll try not to vanish for too long in the future!
I hope this gets picked up as a novelty speedrun category titled Unemployed%.
I'd be interested to hear if someone did try that! I imagine it'd be a lot of rod breaking, but it'd still be cool to see what kind of strategies they end up employing!
Fun fact about the gilgamesh fight befor you foght exdeath for the first time: you can skip it by just not opening the empty chest. The fights trigger is the chest been opened, also in this room has a room connected to the its right side with gear. Dont know tho if it has an effect then you meet him again in the rift
I imagine if you don't do it he won't show up in the Void, but I'm not entirely sure. I thought you could skip him, but I wanted to give him a good fight, and I was satisfied with the results. Thanks for the fun fact!
I could finally watch this and it was worth the wait! It was cool seeing this after hearing about it. Always fun seeing a one hour boss fight lol
Glad you were able to get around to watching it! One-hour long boss fights are interesting, especially when they take multiple attempts...though you definitely have more experience with that than I do, I'll admit. I think it was nice discussing this stuff with someone else who's got experience, too!
FF5 is a game I only ever watched my brother play- so this was a wonderful video to stumble across. Always find there's a fun sense of discovery finding out what game X creature or character was pulled from and put in FF14.
Also- clearly 15:30 shows that there is precedent in universe that wildly beating someone with your fists snaps them out of negative mental states, so Mid's wild punching of Grandpa Cid is diegetic. Simply beat the brain demons out of your loved ones folks.
I'm glad this was able to awaken some nostalgia and show you a few characters you'd never seen before! ...you know what, you're kinda right, but I still wouldn't recommend punching people to cure their depression. Tends not to work too well!
My usage of this game's job system is probably atrocious but playing through it for the first time was extremely memorable.
That's one of the cool parts - just about every job has at least one viable combat option! The only exception is most likely Berserker since its damage output is not enough to surpass its greatest weakness. Hopefully you enjoyed the video, and your first playthrough as well!
Gilgamesh being weak to aging is quite fitting
Wasn't his epic all about him trying to become immortal? It is kinda fitting, in that case...
To quote Protonjon from his Four Job run, he went SUPER GRANDPA!
Sounds like it must've been a great moment!
@@NovemberJoy he was playing ffv mostly blind since he played record keeper ( the ff phone game that replays big moments in ff games )
Chat kept trying to spoil him, some by accident or others saying how to do the best damage. But yes, it was a fun set of streams to watch and the vods are on RUclips.
He got White Mage, Dancer, Geomancer, and Thief as his Four Jobs for the charity run.
And he did beat Shinryu, not Omega though.
This is so hard to believe. Im playing FFV right now and the game is pretty difficult imo. Hats off to you congratulations 🎉
It is one of the harder FF games, but it also offers a huge amount of strategic depth, and that was perfect for a challenge like this. Glad you enjoyed!
Great video. Definitely feeling a sense of mandela effect though. Don't remember the liquid flame boss at all or Forza appearing in the poison flowers arc. Will have to play this game again. Thank you.
Hopefully you'll enjoy playing the game again - who knows, maybe you got the personalized copy?
As someone who has their discord COMPLETLEY muted, the ping at 11:21 nearly sent me insane trying to figure it out. video is good so far though!
I was wondering if that Discord ping would get anyone. Good to know.
I did a couple playthroughs of V when I was kid, I think I did half a dozen or so, I don't know why, kid's free time I guess. On the last couple playthrough on neo-exdeath I discover that I can just throw money at the problem, so I simultaneously bonk all neo-exdeath parts for 9999 dmg each with gil using samurai and win in a couple turns.
Ha, me too! I farmed so many money that I beat him with only capitalism
Yeah, Zeninage is one of the most broken abilities in the game for how much damage it does and how easy it is to use. You can't use it everywhere since you do need money to make use of it, and it doesn't deal as much damage as the best ability combinations, but it's pretty amazing considering you need zero investment to have a Samurai bury everything in cash.
OMG The dancing dagger also was one of the items that saved my low level run. That shit is so useful ong. It 100% made up for the lack of level, although my run was a touch easier because I still allowed job progress via capturing, because capturing didn't give xp and only gave AP. good times, good times. I should try to run that challenge back again sometime.
A low-level run would have a very different set of problems...that might be interesting to look into, though maybe not as much for a video on this channel! Hopefully you take another shot at it later, though. I'm glad we both got good use out of the Dancing Dagger.
@@NovemberJoy honestly same. Glad we both can appreciate a truly underrated item.
2/1 Hoboes and 2/3 Hoboettes Stand Up and Defeat Evil Tree Transformed into Armored Being Which Fused into Another Bigger Interdimensional Tree Which Transformed into Monster Designed by David Pollock's and Salvador Dali's Fusion Dance and Save the Worlds.
...I guess that is an accurate summary of the events of this video! Hopefully you enjoyed the journey of the Hobos and Hoboettes against the evil tree!
this was fucking epic! i love how tough ff5 was it required ya ta think and boy howdy didja put your noggin ta work
I'm glad you enjoyed it! It did require some out of the box thinking, though maybe not quite as much as I was expecting.
20:30: Why is the literal fossil vulnerable to Aging? It's 65 million years old, what would another dozen do?
...You know, you have a point, but I'm grateful that it worked, otherwise that might've been a bit more difficult.
Fantastic video, great quality and entertainment!
Glad you enjoyed, and good luck with your own high-quality entertainment!
Great video! Good job beating the game like this
It was an interesting way to play, that's for sure!
Awesome! Excited for this challenge ~
Oh, wasn't expecting to see you comment here! Hopefully you enjoyed the video!
No jobs, possibly doable, no armour on top of that... I would hate my life
Pop off NovemberJoy, you have earned my respect. Glad I could see this challenge
It was challenging, and very long, but it was entirely doable. Glad you enjoyed it!
i love FFV and this is my favorite numbered FFV and 2nd favorite FF behind tactics
thank you for making this challenge it was entertaining the whole way through. Butz's name you gave him is also peak comedy and your job related jokes were good as well.
I hope to see you do more FFV challenge runs, that'll be an easy sub for me.
I might see if there are more runs I can do in the future to entertain you guys. I had an idea to use only each job's first-level ability - i.e. White level 1, Black level 1, etc., so that might be interesting to try in the future if I could still make it interesting to watch!
@@NovemberJoyill watch it all :)
Thanks for the upload!
Welcome, hope you enjoyed!
@@NovemberJoy I did enjoy it. Thanks!
Some strategies I remember from a few of my Fiesta runs.
Tyranosaurus in World 2 is undead so force feeding an Elixir or Phoenix Down takes care of it
With Omniscient one of the enemies in Castle Exdeath drops a Power Staff whose sole function is to inflict Berserk.
For 4 Crystal fight killer Bow also has a change to insta kill them although Death Sickle had a better rate of proc.
Rune Blade was actually quite useful in a 4 Red Mage run I once did. It powers up with MP you have and it stacks if character is zerked.
Omega is generally considered to be the harder of the two because in a 4 job fiesta scenario there are fewer options that can shut him down.
Another option with Catastrophe is to just have more Ancient Swords. They can be stolen in Desert area in the overworld as common steal.
45:20 that stupid rare outcome is one of more reliable ways to farm Dragon Whisker from Shinryu in a normal-ish run. Hermes Boots wearing character swipes at Shinryu with Thief Knife and then you run from the battle before Shinryu has time to Tidal Wave you (Said fight also is rather easy to run from.)
Almagest part is succeptible to both Old and Petrify so in a desperate sotuation you could have a party of 4 swinging at it with Ancient Swords to weaken it.
I knew about the Tyrannosaur strat, but I wanted to do it without cheesing it with a Phoenix Down.
I didn't know about the Power Staff drop, but I'm glad I didn't end up needing it!
I kinda forgot about the killer bow, honestly, and I never realized the Rune Edge could be useful! It makes sense for a Red Mage run, since Red Mages have relatively few good options for dishing out high damage.
I was going off my own experience, where the one Fiesta run I did had a relatively easy time with Omega due to having a Bard and Berserker in the party! I can see how he's the harder one, though.
I didn't know you could get Dragon Whiskers or Ancient Swords that way! It might have been helpful if I knew that, and I definitely didn't know you could age the Almagest part! That would've been a really cool strat to pull off if I knew about it. Clearly, you know a lot more about this game than I do. Thanks for sharing all this info, and hope you enjoyed the video!
@@NovemberJoy Dragon Whisker strat probably wouldnt've worked in an armorless run. It's very crucial to go before Shinryu, and without Hermes Sandals it's not happening.
Also what makes Shinryu easier is that he can be Berzerked. And in theory you could Mug farm Dragon Spears from Crystal Dragons in first area of the crystal void.
Hilariously for me, Omega is my Achilles heel in FF5, it's the one fight I've not beaten in any of my many playthroughs. Shinryu I have beaten though
Interesting! For me, it's the opposite, where I've never given Shinryu a serious try. I could definitely pull it off, I just never have...don't think I could in this run without a lot of grinding, though!
Shinryu is generally pretty free if you can berserk and blind it, you just raise people who get one shot occasionally and grind him down. Dragon Whisker and Apollo's Harp do a ton of damage. Omega requires specific strats if you don't have access to some of the more well known setups like !RapidFire Thundaga Blade, and is not always possible in challenge runs
Congratulations on that it was fun to watch
Hey, glad you enjoyed!
The Omniscient strat was genius.
It's funny because I genuinely didn't know Berserk was that close to Reflect in the Wonder Rod's spell list, so it was a total accident that I bounced it towards Omniscient! I'm still satisfied with how the fight went, though.
It's a well known strat that only works in the original, it's been patches out of more recent releases, but there are other exploits :)
Wait, Magissa can call in an ally? Holy shit I never knew that I just 1/2 turn her.
Yeah, if she gets a turn below a certain HP threshold she'll call in her husband. Glad I taught you something new about this game, in that case!
@@NovemberJoy I mean I'm still prolly gonna mop thr floor with her bc I like grinding for job abilities to have effective multi-classing on my Party members but, thanks!
I watched the whole thing, rly good job. The jobless part did u advantage to use every weapon xD. It's a fun challenge, figure out a strat with all weapons effects
It did let us use any weapon, but I feel like jobs still would've made this easier by the end. Still, I thought it was a fun challenge as well!
Though jobless, the party's all about that grind.
I guess they are technically "Freelancers", right?
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This happened to me when I was a little kid.
I was trying to learn level 5 death on blue mage. oops, everyone's level is divisible by 5.
Lucky for me one party member was one level higher than everyone else on my second try.
I think a lot of people run into this problem, now that I think about it. They totally designed it that way to catch new players off guard, didn't they?
@@NovemberJoy If I had to guess, I think they would have expected players to have characters die and not be revived before the fight ends, which might cause character levels to spread out. But I can't remember. Do fainted characters gain exp when the fight ends?
The pixels remastered version would be even harder with not being able to switch weapons during battle
Wait, can you not switch weapons mid-battle in the Pixel Remaster? That would be a really weird change if they did that, considering all the gimmick and utility weapons that are really cool to use this way...
Second comment, but I loved the video! Tons of work put in it... I really hope this gets picked up well in the algorithm.
It's doing better than I expected so far, all things considered. Glad you enjoyed!
Honestly good job pulling that off. There were a few things even I didn't realize, and I have an unhealthy amount of time playing this game. But honestly only real point of contention I have is that you called Omega the easier of the two. Funny enough I've always found Shinryu the easier of the pair over Omega, as his stuff is easier to counter. Regardless I don't blame you for skipping those two for this challenge.
I had a different experience, since I've beaten Omega by stunlocking him with Romeo's Ballad but never beaten Shinryu. Now that I know his major weaknesses, though, I think I could totally beat him with a little preparation and grinding! Glad you enjoyed the video!
@@NovemberJoy What I've found is that Omega, regardless of how you go about it, still requires some strategy and know-how no matter what. On the other end, Shinryu, a lot of what he can do, can be negated right out of the starting gate with the right gear, and then you can beat the snot out of him using whatever you feel like.
Finally, a new NovemberJoy video! I was starting to think this'd never happen.
I apologize for the long wait! Hopefully the next video should come a little sooner!
@@NovemberJoy, you can bet when that video comes out, I'll watch it as soon as possible.
I thought you were saying “The Hobbit”. Made me stop my machine to see when Bilbo shows up in FFV and was surprised to see he turned into a dragon. 5/5
That would've been a very different book, but now I'm suddenly interested in reading it...Thanks for the comment!
Good video man. Love to see interesting classic FF challenges that AREN'T white mage solo ff1
That was impressive. Good Job (pun intended :P).
Thanks! I can only imagine Hikiko shuddering at the word "job"...
I just want to point out that there is a Discord notification sound at 11:21 and I was driving myself batty trying to see which of my servers I was getting notifications from lol.
Good to know that Discord joke actually worked! Hopefully you enjoyed the video.
Wwll, Krile is the new Galuf...! Gaining all ZERO of his abilities he learned 😅
Yeah, it makes things a little funnier if Galuf doesn't actually have any abilities to transfer. Understandably, the game doesn't have any dialogue to point this out.
Well, they didnt have the technology back then. Novadays we use electroshocks to treat depression (ECT, electroconvulsive therapy).
Or medication, or therapy...I guess I just didn't think of punching as a treatment method.
@@NovemberJoy Yeah. Its... well, the thing is, many old treatments which are now seen as barbaric have some actual applications... Its just been overused where it doesnt belong.
Theres even been cases where lobotomies have achieved the desires of the patient.
However, in modern settings, healthcare workers have been trained to care about the "common good" instead of whats right for the individual...
During a certain time in germany, it was physicians and nurses which engaged in "mercy unaliving" for eugenic purposes. Well, healthcare workers around the world were doing it at the time, actually, but i know in germany they started doing it while it was illegal and not officially sanctioned by anyone, ultimately they pressured the austrian chancelor into giving them written permission. Id assume he broadly agreed with it, but its actually rare that he actually put something like that in text, he wasnt even present at the conference which is credited with finding the "solution" to the question about the chosen people... Though he probably has conversed with the attendents beforehand.
i always hated how early FFs handled boss status immunity. Either they are immune to everything, or alot of bosses have a single crippling weakness that makes the fight pointless (FF6 im looking at you)
It would be more fun if bosses had different % susceptibility to various statuses, and for others they work but only last 1 turn or 2 turns depending.. FF10 was decent at this type of thing. That way you can choose to roll the dice in applying status, or just try to power through.
Huh...this is an interesting perspective as well! I was glad for the status vulnerabilities I was able to exploit, but I can see how it might be frustrating that these bosses are often completely broken by just exploiting their status vulnerabilities! I've seen cases where bosses become less vulnerable to status ailments if they were hit with them before, or examples like what you're citing, and they are interesting ways to handle the issue...Thanks for the comment, it was nice to think about it from this angle!
How you been man? Was surprised when you uploaded.
I've been alright. Making it through. Hopefully you enjoyed the video once it finally did come out!
Future challenge suggestion: can you beat phantasy star generation I without magic? That would be a rather neat video. I think it may be barely possible except for maybe Dark Falz.
49:55 "What, you thought there would be a Final Fantasy final boss with only one phase?"
- Final Fantasy V is the first FF with an end boss with more than one phase -
What are you talking about? FFI's final boss had two phases. It's just that the first one was incredibly weak, was the very first boss you fought in the game, and you had to play an entire game between the two phases of the fight :)
...You're both technically right, but Final Fantasy bosses are infamous for having at least two phases each so I couldn't pass up on the joke. I never thought of Garland as a two-phase boss, gotta say!
I can't unsee terraria from the party members (1.0 terraria used from sprites for its character, Lil known but fun fact :] )
...I did not know Terraria once used FF5 sprites for its characters, that's interesting! It's probably for the best that they were changed up over time, though.
The true Onion Knight army.
Arguably, Onion Knights have it worse since they have less equipment to wield and their game sometimes forces you to cast magic. They are similar in that their real power shows up closer to the end of the game, though!
ExDeath's hp at the halfway point in the video is such a subtle joke.
...you know, it's not actually an intended joke, but I'm glad you found it humorous anyway!
11:20 I heard it coming from a mile away
Maybe you did, but I couldn't resist. Hope you enjoyed the video!
Started watching this like "No way he can defeat the fire dude..."
Thankfully, I did defeat the fire dude. Hopefully you enjoyed!
A wonderful video for a wonderful game.
I thought it was pretty wonderful, and it's got an incredible amount of strategic depth for its time as shown in this video! Hopefully you enjoyed.
Shinryu is totally possible in this ruleset, you should try it sometime.
I probably should, though I'd likely need to be very high leveled to pull it off. Thanks for the suggestion!
I'm subscribing in hopes you do FF3 NES next, pixel remaster or DS version is cool too
Hm...I don't know if it'll be next, but I'll have to think and see if there are any good ideas for FF3. Thanks for the suggestion!
This is the GBA version right? It's weird how that version takes away Cid's glasses with his character portrait, but then gives Mid glasses, when he doesn't have them on his sprite unlike Cid who does. Not sure if I ever noticed that before when I played the GBA port.
...actually, you're right, and I somehow never noticed. Why did they do that, anyway?
You can actually berserk and blind Shinryu!! He's the easier of the two. Good luck on Omega in this run though 😂
...I was not aware you could berserk or blind him! I'd have to do a ton of grinding to be able to survive his opening attack, but otherwise I probably could pull it off in that case. Thanks for the advice!
Fun fact: You can skip Neo-Exdeath by doing intense math on your damage, and breaking a Poison Rod (casts Bio, inflicts Sap status) on him to leave him alive with just slivers, with enough remaining HP for the Sap effect to kick in and skip the event trigger that would normally trigger his second phase.
But that wouldn't make for an interesting video or boss fight. (Besides, you did say you were going to avoid breaking rods) But I figured I'd say this just so that it's known.
Kiss of Blessing Mix also can bypass Neo Exdeath fight but that's outside of this run's scope.
@@arciks11 Yes. Another thing that can skip NED beyond this run's scope is the blue magic Mind Blast.
Also outside of this run's scope, if you have access to Time Magic, you could use the Quick spell, and then also inflict Sap on NED using any of these methods, and then idle on the second turn. You could literally just put your controller down and walk away, as Tree Form Exdeath's HP wittles away from all 49001 HP to 0, though this process takes 2 hours to complete without any fast-forwarding functions.
Sap is just an entirely broken mechanic in this game lol.
Interesting...I knew about the Kiss of Blessing bug, but I wasn't aware killing him with Sap damage would also skip the second phase! Thankfully I didn't have to worry about it, but it would've made an interesting finale of its own to completely skip the second phase.
This game is awesome because its just riculous knows it and doesnt care.
That's one of the things I really like about it too, alongside knowing how to handle tone to make sad moments hit as well.
i don't remember this episode of regular show
I don't either...then again, I never watched Regular Show, so I wouldn't know.
The universe is in peril
It is. Thankfully, a bunch of hobos are here to save the world from the evil tree-man!
That was very nice 55min
I'm glad to hear you enjoyed all 55 minutes of it, I was hoping it wouldn't end up too long!
I find it funny that this challenge would be impossible in Final Fantasy III just due to the way that game is designed
Oh yeah, the Freelancer class in the 3D versions of that game do seem a bit underpowered...For the 2D versions, though, the starting class is Onion Knight, and someone out there has already undertaken the pain of an Onion Knight Only challenge in the Pixel Remaster! I commend that guy's fortitude. Maybe I should look into the 3D version's Freelancer class, I swear I've heard something about people attempting jobless runs in FF3 before...
so the first time i played ff5 (and tactics) I did half this challenge cus I had only played non job class FF's and didnt know I could even though it was explained lol, I just missed that completely (I was like 12ish)....I made it to the fire crystal in 5 and the first weigraf fight in tactics
It's funny how many challenges are basically just playing games like you're 5, except on purpose. I'm pretty sure I did things like this too when I was a kid!
@@NovemberJoy it was worse in tactics cus I didnt even know how to use the menu properly (legit I couldnt figure out to hit Triangle again cus I thought I was already in the menu), so I could only change my equipment by outfitting them in a shop, so I went up against Weigraf wtih squires/ chemists (with no new skills) equipped with long swords/ mithril knives lol (I also didnt know certain towns offered certain equipment so I hadnt been back to Igros since the beginning of the game lol)
What about the postgame sunken shrine content?
Thankee!
I was thinking about it, but I decided against it, at least for now, for two reasons. First, there's one section where you absolutely have to use the Beastmaster's Catch ability to catch a specific monster and turn it in before an NPC will give you a necessary item to progress, and as far as I'm aware there's no way to avoid this. Secondly, from a bit of research most of the bosses there don't look too promising even for a max-level party, considering their absurd HP, defense, evasion, and move sets. One even takes a harsher stance than Omniscient and casts Death on itself any time it's hit with a non-magic attack, which fully heals it because it's undead! I might give it a try at a later time if people want to see it, though. Thanks for the suggestion!
Very impressive!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed!