Infect is incredibly tame compared to 2 card combos that just win you the game, which EDH is full of. Sure, you can easily take out 1 person with poison counters, but actually killing the table is very hard.
nah. bro poison counters are an absolute cheat code. the "BuT ReMoVAL" excuse basically means you have to build a deck specifically to beat another type with butt loads of removal instead of what you trying to do with your deck. if you drop Skittles early with a couple of buffs you eliminate a player a turn. oh you didnt top deck a swords to plowshares ? sorry i win.
You make a lot of good points on the nuances of the mechanic. The main complaint I often hear is that the 10 damage threshold is too low, especially compared to a commander’s 21. That being said, I would personally rather get eliminated quickly by infect and start another game than sit through hours of people struggling to decide on how to resolve their extra turns or super-friends’ abilities.
I think one of the worst situations is you get clapped early by infect then the infect player doesn't do much to other people and you get to sit on the side lines for hours (unfortunately literally sometimes)
After being infinitely milled or fireballed for a million I really stopped caring about infect. Commander has plenty of instant wins that don't put a huge target on your back
People hate on infect because it suddenly turns the game into a countdown. The second you get hit, you are on a ticking timer and suddenly everyone has a common enemy, even if the infect deck is arguably one of the narrowest, weakest decks in the game. As long as you have blockers, you're safe. Most infect creatures have high CMCs which slow them down by a lot. Fynn was a great way to help even out the playing field, suddenly nobody wants to risk ganging up on the pseudo-infect deck because most of the time it means you will take losses trying to and could risk the win, but even still all you have to do is keep Fynn out of the game long enough to pull ahead and have a numbers advantage. It's very hard to ever win a game as an infect player, but even still most of the time in a 4-player pod, the other 2 losers lost only because they devoted most of their attention to the infect player and not the real threat. There are so many stronger and faster ways to win the game now, I will never understand the infect hate compared to them.
Infect is missing a lot of support that most strategies in Commander have recieved in recent years. And it shows, I've put together Ramses Assassin Lord, running an infect strat for my current commander group. And there were no complaints, and the list was easily outpaced by most everyone at the table I've since shelved the decklist and moved the cards away for a bit until a time where something new gets printed to help buff the strategy.
Completely irrelevant But I REALLY want an infected/Heart of New Phyrexia/Father of Machines card for Karn. We were ROBBED of getting an infect version of our boy.
To me infect is just another win-con. No reason to get salty about it. I've played against infect decks and they're generally not all that powerful. They can usually kill off one person, but typically get beat before killing the table. Atraxa or other proliferate can be a problem, but that's why you run removal. In fact anytime someone pulls out an Atraxa deck (infect or not) I straight up tell them I'm going to focus on keeping it off the field or removing it when it hits the field. The only time I've seen or used Triumph is to win the game so no problem. Just shuffle and play again.
My infect hate purely stems from dealing with it when it first comes out 12 years ago. In modern magic it isn’t as much of an issue. Just never gonna let go of that grudge. I hold a similar but less extreme on regarding planeswalkers.
I’d still rather play infect, die, and start a new game then play a four hour long control game. When you sit down an unspoken agreement is made to actually play the game. A four hour control match when that’s not what you wanted to do is un-fun unless your planing a control fight.
Personally, I am a fan of Infect; it's one of the few mechanics that can prod me out of my slower, less aggressive play style. I don't usually like building a huge force, going sideways, and winning, I guess; I prefer alt won conditions, and the long game, but it usually bites me, and due to certain other Commander choices, among my play group, its usually rare to be able to rely on your Commander; it WILL be dealt with almost immediately, just to force that tax up, and so if my Commander is already going to draw that kind of flak, it might as well be Skittles, and maybe I'll even win. As for Infectvin the future, I'm totally good with them keeping it an effect attached to a specific setting, sort of like Werewolves in Innistrad, and so I'm totally fine with it requiring the set be connected to Mirrodin/Phyrexia to have any, but them I hope the set there, coming after the Brothers Wat, WILL have some new Infect cards.
I think infect is fair if you consider how small the creatures are besides Blightsteel... I have a Yidris infect deck and in a 4 player commander game it is incredibly difficult to win because most of the time you become the archenemy of the game once the table knows your strategy... Infect is fair in my mind because again the creatures are low in power and you get hated pretty quickly!!!!
I still love infect, so my solution to it was instead of having certain select Infect cards in different decks, i just made my Mutate deck my primary infect deck, and put all my infect cards in there. That way it's easy to say hey y'all care if i play my infect deck and if someone doesn't like I'll just play a different deck
Man people are still hoping infect comes back in one of the phyrexian sets coming up and were a little sad that dominaria united didn't have it when poison was teased in it Side note: infect is hilarious in my omnath deck where people have 3 turns max to beat me if it's grafted exoskeleton and likely someone is already dead that turn. With a sneaky corrupted consciousness in case the exoskeleton doesn't show up.
Played a match with my Ivy, Gleeful Spelltheif using a mutate/aura voltron build. I pulled a corrupted consciousness, double checked the card rulings, and stole one of my opponents big fliers. On top of that, Ivy also got infect, so I was able to hit for 7 poison counters that turn super easy
Infect hated? O.o I can understand stax, infinit combos, tutor wins, aproach of the second sun, sneaky out of nowhere wins, steal everything, bounce everything... But infect? Well maybe if someone plays tainted strike on a creature attacking you and knock you out with that. But otherwise, why???!??
Considering we have cards that allow a player life total to either not change or skyrocket, I don't see a problem with infect. It's just another win con in a combat focused deck
Infect is great, and fair. Gotta disagree with your assessment that a Commander + Grafted Exoskeleton + 2 wheels is super easy, barely an inconvenience; but an 11/11 trample indestructible is fine.
I really love the -1/-1 counter aspect of infect, but the poison counter side of it just has too much luggage (getting hated out, overcosted cards, etc.) I wish wither had ended up getting more love.
Infect and mill are in the same category. Everyone hates it til they build an actual deck running the mechanic, then they realise how hard it actually is to pull off a 4-pkayer win. That and the fact that noone actually let's you even enact half a game plan. Actually, infect is like spiders. They're not that scary, they are annoying but easy to deal with and if it does kill you then you should have been more vigilant 🍻 Glistening Oil is a fun card in Zaxara builds too.
I know that you said that wizards of the coast won't bring back infect in the video but I still darn hope that wizards of the coast will still change their minds and still make infect come back when we go to phyrexia again because I want to see new cards with infect but without adding poison counters alone on a card or adding a new mechanic that is similar to infect like let's say a card with wither and poison counters together but it's like a rip off of infect but it's something new
Commander is and will always be op stop complaining about some mechanics and not others . Also just run Fog or a Circle of Protection if you're that annoyed with infect.
If you play horde magic, that is the recommended way to handle poison counters on the horde. There have been a few cards, first being The Fallen, that give a Curse of the Pierced Heart effect but they are few snd far between. Chandra, Awakened inferno does this quite nicely.
I'll be honest I run Triumph of the Hordes in EVERY green deck I have if not almost every green deck I have. The reason for it? Two main reasons. Green needs a card other than Ashaya to race to Cyclonic Rift. And secondly green needs an earlier finisher against faster combo decks. I played maybe 4-5 yesterday and I won 3 of the 4 with Triumph of the Hordes. The Mirum player needed to be taught a lesson not swing all out unless he plans on killing me because then he has to worry about crackback and being potentially killed. He was killed by Triumph twice in combat and the other way was by pumping my creatures and then casting it and then Chandra's Ignition and that required set up but I could have also won through combat as well. If you don't want to lose to Triumph of the Hordes don't swing out all the time and run more removal 🤷♂️. If I lose to it I'm like touche you got me, well played.
Triumph is so much fun, and yes: there's really no reason to not run it in any green creature deck. I have it in Gishath, and managed a full-pod kill with it at Commandfest Chicago. Giant angry infect trample dinosaurs are ultimate Timmy.
@@BAAWAKnight I agree to everything you said. I also run it in my Gishath deck. Ironically I didn’t kill anybody with infect at any of the SCG Con events I’ve attended but I’ve lost count how many times I’ve killed people with infect in my time playing commander. It also was from my favorite set New Phyrexia so it has sentimental value as a card to me as well.
Infect is the best at killing 1 opponent. All three??? Slim chance! Plus the same people who get salty about infect prob run Winter Orb, Thoracle, food chain, etc. when we clean up the mess those cards have made in the format we can talk about infect.
I love infect and always have, it is one of my all-time favorite strategies and I try and build it in any format that I can. I feel like it gets a lot of unwarranted hate considering how insane most magic formats are now. I would much rather face an infect deck in modern over any 4/5 color elementals deck, if you play any kind of infect deck in Commander you instantly get targeted which is fair, however most people are running infinite two card combos anyways that end the game significantly faster. I think it gets too much hate for what it is
Infect is really fun for me. There are pretty nasty combos I've done with it myself, but my Krenko or Arahbo deck can pop off just as fast, so I feel it's fair especially with 3+ players.
I have 1 infect Commander deck, and my playgroup and I have decided to raise it up to 20 counters, and it still hasn't lost - which is why I play it maybe once every couple of years. It uses Mimeoplasm, several tutors, LOTS of proliferate (Contagion Engine AND Clasp, Inexorable Tide, etc), and no, I do NOT have a copy of Blightsteel in the deck (even though I do HAVE a copy of him). Get a Decimator Web or, preferably, Ichor Rats out, get a poison counter on someone or EVERYONE (with the rats) and proliferate like crazy. If I have Conjuror's Closet out, even better the longer I can keep them on the board. Fill my GW with choice creatures, and bring out Mimeoplasm (with a Negate and Dispel in hand for dual countering from opponents), then have him copy Spinebiter, with the counters from the biggest thing I can find in a GY (hopefully I can get my Death's Shadow in my GY by then). If I've held them off long enough, and can keep a counter in my hand to hold off a board-wipe, Phyrexian Swarmlord can take care of the rest along with proliferate. I just feel dirty playing it, but I can't bring myself to take it apart either...
I think it's fine. I had a mono black infect deck when it was standard, and it didn't feel crazy out of hand. Aside from proliferate, it's coming from creatures, and people have answers for them just in general. I do feel that it's a necessary mechanic. What if your opponent is gaining over 200 life? Sure commander damage is a thing, but not in non EDH formats. It's another wincon just like any other. There was way, way more fucked up things from New Phytexia than infect.
I did a guide to infect on my channel. I feel infect is over rated as a full on strategy. It's much harder to kill a table with infect then most realize. Where it becomes powerful is like you said giving the ability to creatures that were not designed to have it.
Vorinclex is also great. Not only does he double the poison counters you place on your opponents but he also halves opponents' poison counters placed on you and he shuts down other counter shenanigans they may have.
You forgot Rames, Assassin lord. if you kill someone with infect while an assassin attacked, you win the game. He basically makes it pretty viable in any infect deck with B/U in it.
A lot of comments say infect is fine compared to easy infinite combos, and I totally agree. My Xenagos infect list usually kills one player in glorious splendor, two if I’m lucky and three if the gods shine on me. It feels like good, balanced Commander.
That weird rat that gives each player a poison counter on entry. Flicker it a couple of times, maybe even have inexorable tide on board and recast the rat multiple times. Also known as Rat-tactics
@@bend5963 Sort of. Been trying to build the deck around proliferating +1/+1 counters as well, via Defiler of Vigor, Fight Rigging, and other things that slowly power up the field en masse. That way, the infect creatures become less fragile the longer they remain on the field.
@@1krani it sounds like Meren might also be a good choice for you since you can proliferate the experience counters you get from her to keep getting back whatever creatures you want, although you do miss out on all the good blue proliferate cards.
@@bend5963 She would be, if not for the fact that I swore not to spend more than $3 on a deck card, $5 on a card that lets me pull more cards from my deck (i.e. I bought a Japanese version of Bolas's Citadel to keep it below my singles budget), and $6 for a commander (the amount I paid for Muldrotha). Any cards that do not come into play during a game are all equally worthless to me. So, spending ludicrous amounts of money on singles is a slippery slope I refuse to ride on.
Honestly infect mutate was an interesting deck I played against. They used snapdax to mutate onto small creatures with infect. They also used Kediss to kill everyone once they hit the weakest player.
I like infect because, like wither, it makes the combat damage stick to creatures. Pairing it with first strike via equipment or auras can mean the difference between your prized creature dying and it merely being battered. I think that's also why it's hated: people plan for their creatures to heal up between turns. Infect keeps them wounded unless they can negate the damage by adding +1/+1 counters.
I remember when I with a knowledgeable mtg buddy built a turn 2 infect deck against the best of a artifact tezz deck. It was awesome. I wish I still have that deck. It has moved on to other things. Lol
I got so much hate for having Tainted Strike in my Syr Konrad, the Grim deck that I had to take it out in order for it to hit the table again. It was the only infect card in the deck!
The reason poison/infect isn't as bad as people would like to believe is because it still requires you to swing. Combat-based strategies just take more work in Commander, imo
Ive heard horror stories of players attacking casually with 10/10 and it goes unblocked and a third player casts tainted strike. Also seen grafted exoskeleton+chandra ignition be pretty wild too. All that being said I am more okay with infect than say consultation oracle because a lot of deck have accessible ways around infect with removal where as thassa's oracle is harder to interact with and usually happens earlier. Oh that one commander that ninjutsus out unblockable blightsteel for 3 mana kinda is a little unfair imo but not worth banning either since its like the one edge case.
If you're playing Blightsteel you almost certainly have SEVERAL ways to cheat out Blightsteel. Similarly the 11-15 cmc for the Eldrazi SOUNDS fair.... except that there will always be an infinite mana combo... or a sneak attack... or a reanimate... or a way to setup massive cost reductions... or any other number of ways to get it out for cheap.
I kinda like Infect, but basically just the Wither side of it. So really I want Wither to come back. Poison counters when played fairly are pretty dang tame. It's the players that want to use poison to try and one-shot players that damage its place in Magic. It still seems like Infect might be coming back, based on Ajani, Sleeper Agent. I never knew poison made a return with Fynn. It's implementation is pretty cool and maxes out at 2 per attack (double strike still dangerous). Though Ajani already brings Infect, I really like thinking about the possibility of bringing back the mechanic in a new form. I think WotC has also tried moving away from -1/-1 counters, maybe because of some of their weird interactions with +1 counters on cards that want to know how many +1 counters were there.
@@BAAWAKnight Such as the ruling on Modular creatures that I sometimes have to clarify. Yes, -1 counters remove +1 counters. A Modular creature killed by -1 counters still has +1 counters to pass on. It isn't intuitive for some people.
One thing you didn't mention was combat tricks. A lot of people run cards like Giant Growth and all the other one mana plus x plus x cards or combat tricks. I had a Saskia infect deck that could kill on turn two consistently.
@@EDHisLIFE One opponent, but it usually kills bare minimum two people each game. Each turn you can clock someone out. The Manabase was perfect, but unfortunately I sold it to make a Thrun Voltroll deck. It had a lot of fast Mana and lands that can tap for Mana or any color. Turn one you'd be able to play a 4 drop, and easily any of your infect creatures. By turn two, you could play Giant Growth, Infuriate, any of the one drops, and Berserk to kill. It wasn't about winning, I just built it to be able to kill any player as fast as possible. After people saw you kill someone that fast, they usually would all team up to try and ko you or just ff on the spot. It was probably one of the most aggressive deck that I've seen. It wasn't about winning, just going from zero to one thousand.
Fair enough. If someone has a deck that aggressive in my regular playgroup it's time for better removal and early game blockers. If they were dying to the deck it's their own fault for not building for their meta.
I play the straight up infect creature cards in my infect deck and proliferate cards. I do not really run tainted strike or triumph of the hoards, mainly because of their price and because most of my creatures already have infect, so giving more infect to them seems redundant.
I think infect struggles to find a place. In mid and lower power where creatures matter and beating through is the main win con, it feels bad to have a triumph played on you and just die out of nowhere. On the other hand, in high power and up, the mechanic is too slow to keep up with many combo strategies, and most colors that run infect strategies don’t have, or can’t afford to have as much interaction to make it consistent enough to beat a full pod of 3 high power decks. I think the main issue is just how polarizing the mechanic is in commander. I can see how it “feels bad” to many lower power players, but I’ve em ever seen it be successful in high power.
i think infect is great and pretty balanced in commander tbh since its basically playing its own wincon and is very unlikely to actually win a game without some great politicing, compared to 2-4 card combos that just end the game instantly its way more fun
Infect is scary on paper. In practice it just leads to salt and less than fun player interactions. The Infect player only gets a few avenues to kill people. They all cause the table to turn on them. Go wide and proliferate. They made themselves archenemy. Go single target. They usually kill one person early ruining the game for them and get heavily targeted afterwards. Give infect at instant speed and try and deal the damage all at once. This feels cheap and if it doesn't kill everyone at once has the same outcome as the first 2.
I played infect in standard. It’s powerful but it’s honestly boring. Aggro is a perfectly fair strategy, it just doesn’t offer a lot of dynamic gameplay. I think an infect combo that doesn’t really use combat damage is more interesting, but it’s still very meh. Winning through combat isn’t as much of a thing the higher the power level of the pod. The endgame of “count to 10 instead of 40” doesn’t offer a lot of variety, and when it’s neither very powerful nor does it feel that good to play, why should you play it?
I think people forget that in commander most people are playing a lot of combos and interaction, go wide or voltron decks do need ways to keep up. A 3 card combo and attacking with a couple 1/* infect creatures to get 10 damage seems somewhat balanced to me. I play a Tetsuko Umizawa deck where everything has a power or toughness of 1, so I mean ya how does a deck like that kill 3 players without infect?
@@zacharybecker8228 isn’t really a helping argument tho cuz there’s a lot of factors like the lower levels of the other decks and whatnot. If you CAN win without infect that’s cool but that doesn’t mean infect shouldn’t be used
@@JujuInFlames u asked how can a deck win without infect and it can and my group runs pretty high level decks and he manages without infect so if u cant win with urs ur prob building the deck poorly
@@zacharybecker8228 well to be fair I haven’t run the deck without infect. I’m sure I’ve managed to win without it a couple times but it was probably through bouncing stuff with like cephalid constable or something like that. If you know any win cons from your friends deck I would at least appreciate the input because I haven’t made many go wide decks or mono blue decks for that matter
@@JujuInFlames Bloodforged Battle-Axe is a huge one that gets out of control fast Quietus Spike is another Charix, the Raging Isle Nadir Kraken can help go really wild with all the card draw u get and counter spells to stop other combos and big threats Scytheclaw is another spike but it makes a body and curse of the swine is a good mass exile
There are so many mindless and lame ways to win with two or three card combos in commander. Infect is very fair seeing as you are winning through combat which takes some setup and is very difficult to kill everyone at once. Besides triumph of the hordes which is a great win for go wide decks, Infect cards are super overrated. Blightsteel colossus might be the most overrated card ever in commander. Honestly the card is awful. It's slow, way too expensive, easy to counter and gets hated out of the game as soon as it is in play.
I feel like considering the average commander game now ends pretty early, like turn 7 early, infect isn't that big a deal. If it was so bad you'd see it in cEDH.
to be fair, if the table knows that one player has an infect deck, the other 3 tend to band together in order to kill him first and fast so unless the infect deck is well built is not that simpe to win 3 on 1
@@petersulewski Ignoring that Table Politics ARE part of the game is ignoring the picture. Yes run 4 AI decks and the Infect MAY have a chance, IF the AIs dont learn to asses threats outside of actual damage. But Politics IS the point of Commander, So no Infect based deck or any hyper power quick strat deck is going to make it long in most pods.
For those who think speeding up magic is a good thing, that magic takes too long, I'll save you even more time: Hand me your cards, Ill keep them ( I actually enjoy siting for hours and playing the game), and we can just flip a coin to see who wins.
Man I’ve won a total of like 3 times playing my infect decks. If it’s such a problem for you start building your decks while worrying about poison counters. 😂 Still rather play against infect then combo or extra turns decks.
I like infect but hate the idea of poison counters. I’d easily agree to just scrap those because infect is powerful enough on its own not just because of the continuous damage effect but also the perpetual decrease in power and most importantly of all: the innate ability to deal with indestructible
@@BAAWAKnight no problem, I misread rule stuff all the time. I just won a game on arena where the guys commander gains a life and I lose a lifer per card draw. I had an enchantment that deals damage to him on card draw. He played a card that drew half his deck and said gg but what happened was it queued his effect first then my enchantment so he took 25 damage to face and lost. Don’t how why it’s queued that way or what the rules on putting hex proof on a stack for a creature that’s already been targeted because the client will sometimes fizzle and sometimes follow through anyways
My deck is not infect but people get mad when I combo and just win the game with my meren deck mostly cause if they can't exile the combo piece thats making the combo happen like necrotic ooze or mikaeus the unhallowed if they counter it or use a kill spell on it then meren will bring it back and I win on my end step I won on my end step with triskelion and mikaeus on my end step by hard casting triskelion and recurring mikaeus on my end step I havent done it with necrotic ooze yet but it probably will happen at some point I dont feel guilty about my deck doing what its supposed to though so people being mad is irrelevant to me
a person i played with ran saskia infect that was such an annoying deck and ironically triumph feels like the most fair give infect card at the least the one deck i use it in cus its all only combat damage
I have less of an issue with infect nowadays with the advent of combo heavy power creep laden decks. My lingering issue with infect is that, unlike constructed formats, poison counters in Commander are disproportionate. Where constructed is half your life total, commander is still 10 and not half your life total. Especially with how easily you can spam 10 damage in the format, it can be really predatory on at least on player in the pod.
Infect feels boring. It's alright as an added alternative win condition but when a deck is centered around dealing infect damage the game becomes arch-enemy
My playgroup has agreed to 15 infect is lethal for commander. Mainly because I built a deck around cheating a blightsteel colossus into play and putting a blade of selves on it to kill everyone by turn 5 or 6 :/
Having played through Standard at the time using a GW defender deck using overgrown battlements for mana to get out big fatties like Eldrazi titans and Gideon out, all which had 0 power, infect annoyed the hell out of me and I stopped playing untill Innisdtrad came out. So yeah... hated infect with a passion.
I made a green black infect deck. It’s not competitive but all my friends hate it. Its really annoying to deal with and it makes you want to concede if your life gain sometimes. I would say infect is a broken mechanic.
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Infect is incredibly tame compared to 2 card combos that just win you the game, which EDH is full of. Sure, you can easily take out 1 person with poison counters, but actually killing the table is very hard.
This. I feel like infect could make you a target making it harder to win. Combos, on the other hand, are just easy and boring, in my opinion.
It’s just that it sucks to die to it and it’s very hard to stop it cause most infect strategies don’t even let you block
@@feritperliare2890 You have 100 life and someone hits you for 10 infect with triumph of the hordes, feels good?
nah. bro poison counters are an absolute cheat code. the "BuT ReMoVAL" excuse basically means you have to build a deck specifically to beat another type with butt loads of removal instead of what you trying to do with your deck.
if you drop Skittles early with a couple of buffs you eliminate a player a turn. oh you didnt top deck a swords to plowshares ? sorry i win.
killing the table is hard? you appear not to know how to build the deck. lol
You make a lot of good points on the nuances of the mechanic. The main complaint I often hear is that the 10 damage threshold is too low, especially compared to a commander’s 21. That being said, I would personally rather get eliminated quickly by infect and start another game than sit through hours of people struggling to decide on how to resolve their extra turns or super-friends’ abilities.
I think one of the worst situations is you get clapped early by infect then the infect player doesn't do much to other people and you get to sit on the side lines for hours (unfortunately literally sometimes)
After being infinitely milled or fireballed for a million I really stopped caring about infect. Commander has plenty of instant wins that don't put a huge target on your back
People hate on infect because it suddenly turns the game into a countdown. The second you get hit, you are on a ticking timer and suddenly everyone has a common enemy, even if the infect deck is arguably one of the narrowest, weakest decks in the game. As long as you have blockers, you're safe. Most infect creatures have high CMCs which slow them down by a lot. Fynn was a great way to help even out the playing field, suddenly nobody wants to risk ganging up on the pseudo-infect deck because most of the time it means you will take losses trying to and could risk the win, but even still all you have to do is keep Fynn out of the game long enough to pull ahead and have a numbers advantage.
It's very hard to ever win a game as an infect player, but even still most of the time in a 4-player pod, the other 2 losers lost only because they devoted most of their attention to the infect player and not the real threat. There are so many stronger and faster ways to win the game now, I will never understand the infect hate compared to them.
Infect is missing a lot of support that most strategies in Commander have recieved in recent years.
And it shows, I've put together Ramses Assassin Lord, running an infect strat for my current commander group.
And there were no complaints, and the list was easily outpaced by most everyone at the table I've since shelved the decklist and moved the cards away for a bit until a time where something new gets printed to help buff the strategy.
Completely irrelevant
But I REALLY want an infected/Heart of New Phyrexia/Father of Machines card for Karn. We were ROBBED of getting an infect version of our boy.
Infect is completely fair, especially considering the power creep of commander in the last 4 years, and easy wincons like ConsOracle.
I'm still puzzled on why cards like coalition victory are banned when thassa's oracle is still a thing
@@ShiningCrimzon the rules committee still has too many copies of oracle to sell before they ban it
To me infect is just another win-con. No reason to get salty about it. I've played against infect decks and they're generally not all that powerful. They can usually kill off one person, but typically get beat before killing the table. Atraxa or other proliferate can be a problem, but that's why you run removal. In fact anytime someone pulls out an Atraxa deck (infect or not) I straight up tell them I'm going to focus on keeping it off the field or removing it when it hits the field. The only time I've seen or used Triumph is to win the game so no problem. Just shuffle and play again.
My infect hate purely stems from dealing with it when it first comes out 12 years ago. In modern magic it isn’t as much of an issue. Just never gonna let go of that grudge. I hold a similar but less extreme on regarding planeswalkers.
I’d still rather play infect, die, and start a new game then play a four hour long control game.
When you sit down an unspoken agreement is made to actually play the game. A four hour control match when that’s not what you wanted to do is un-fun unless your planing a control fight.
Personally, I am a fan of Infect; it's one of the few mechanics that can prod me out of my slower, less aggressive play style. I don't usually like building a huge force, going sideways, and winning, I guess; I prefer alt won conditions, and the long game, but it usually bites me, and due to certain other Commander choices, among my play group, its usually rare to be able to rely on your Commander; it WILL be dealt with almost immediately, just to force that tax up, and so if my Commander is already going to draw that kind of flak, it might as well be Skittles, and maybe I'll even win. As for Infectvin the future, I'm totally good with them keeping it an effect attached to a specific setting, sort of like Werewolves in Innistrad, and so I'm totally fine with it requiring the set be connected to Mirrodin/Phyrexia to have any, but them I hope the set there, coming after the Brothers Wat, WILL have some new Infect cards.
I think infect is fair if you consider how small the creatures are besides Blightsteel... I have a Yidris infect deck and in a 4 player commander game it is incredibly difficult to win because most of the time you become the archenemy of the game once the table knows your strategy... Infect is fair in my mind because again the creatures are low in power and you get hated pretty quickly!!!!
I still love infect, so my solution to it was instead of having certain select Infect cards in different decks, i just made my Mutate deck my primary infect deck, and put all my infect cards in there. That way it's easy to say hey y'all care if i play my infect deck and if someone doesn't like I'll just play a different deck
I have a fine tuned Atraxa deck and it really only took my playgroup 2-3 games to respect and fear it, but not hate it
I'm looking for a good list, can you link me one?
Man people are still hoping infect comes back in one of the phyrexian sets coming up and were a little sad that dominaria united didn't have it when poison was teased in it
Side note: infect is hilarious in my omnath deck where people have 3 turns max to beat me if it's grafted exoskeleton and likely someone is already dead that turn. With a sneaky corrupted consciousness in case the exoskeleton doesn't show up.
Played a match with my Ivy, Gleeful Spelltheif using a mutate/aura voltron build. I pulled a corrupted consciousness, double checked the card rulings, and stole one of my opponents big fliers. On top of that, Ivy also got infect, so I was able to hit for 7 poison counters that turn super easy
@@matthewcox69 corrupted consciousness is a sneaky card. Given that for a theft card it's still a reasonable cmc
Infect hated? O.o
I can understand stax, infinit combos, tutor wins, aproach of the second sun, sneaky out of nowhere wins, steal everything, bounce everything...
But infect? Well maybe if someone plays tainted strike on a creature attacking you and knock you out with that. But otherwise, why???!??
Infect is slow and combat based. The meta is so fast now that infect may as well be voltron
I actually like infect. I’d rather play against it than hyper control turn 3 combos.
Considering we have cards that allow a player life total to either not change or skyrocket, I don't see a problem with infect. It's just another win con in a combat focused deck
Infect is great, and fair.
Gotta disagree with your assessment that a Commander + Grafted Exoskeleton + 2 wheels is super easy, barely an inconvenience; but an 11/11 trample indestructible is fine.
The infect distribution is made easier without having to go to combat
Sure...but also 4ish cards and tons of mana.
I really love the -1/-1 counter aspect of infect, but the poison counter side of it just has too much luggage (getting hated out, overcosted cards, etc.)
I wish wither had ended up getting more love.
Infect and mill are in the same category. Everyone hates it til they build an actual deck running the mechanic, then they realise how hard it actually is to pull off a 4-pkayer win. That and the fact that noone actually let's you even enact half a game plan.
Actually, infect is like spiders. They're not that scary, they are annoying but easy to deal with and if it does kill you then you should have been more vigilant 🍻
Glistening Oil is a fun card in Zaxara builds too.
I know that you said that wizards of the coast won't bring back infect in the video but I still darn hope that wizards of the coast will still change their minds and still make infect come back when we go to phyrexia again because I want to see new cards with infect but without adding poison counters alone on a card or adding a new mechanic that is similar to infect like let's say a card with wither and poison counters together but it's like a rip off of infect but it's something new
Commander is and will always be op stop complaining about some mechanics and not others . Also just run Fog or a Circle of Protection if you're that annoyed with infect.
I wouldn't mind a poison rework/reimagining where an opponent takes damage equal to the amount of poison counters at the beginning of their end step
If you play horde magic, that is the recommended way to handle poison counters on the horde.
There have been a few cards, first being The Fallen, that give a Curse of the Pierced Heart effect but they are few snd far between. Chandra, Awakened inferno does this quite nicely.
I'll be honest I run Triumph of the Hordes in EVERY green deck I have if not almost every green deck I have. The reason for it? Two main reasons. Green needs a card other than Ashaya to race to Cyclonic Rift. And secondly green needs an earlier finisher against faster combo decks.
I played maybe 4-5 yesterday and I won 3 of the 4 with Triumph of the Hordes. The Mirum player needed to be taught a lesson not swing all out unless he plans on killing me because then he has to worry about crackback and being potentially killed. He was killed by Triumph twice in combat and the other way was by pumping my creatures and then casting it and then Chandra's Ignition and that required set up but I could have also won through combat as well. If you don't want to lose to Triumph of the Hordes don't swing out all the time and run more removal 🤷♂️. If I lose to it I'm like touche you got me, well played.
Triumph is so much fun, and yes: there's really no reason to not run it in any green creature deck. I have it in Gishath, and managed a full-pod kill with it at Commandfest Chicago. Giant angry infect trample dinosaurs are ultimate Timmy.
@@BAAWAKnight I agree to everything you said. I also run it in my Gishath deck. Ironically I didn’t kill anybody with infect at any of the SCG Con events I’ve attended but I’ve lost count how many times I’ve killed people with infect in my time playing commander.
It also was from my favorite set New Phyrexia so it has sentimental value as a card to me as well.
Infect is the best at killing 1 opponent. All three??? Slim chance!
Plus the same people who get salty about infect prob run Winter Orb, Thoracle, food chain, etc. when we clean up the mess those cards have made in the format we can talk about infect.
I love infect and always have, it is one of my all-time favorite strategies and I try and build it in any format that I can. I feel like it gets a lot of unwarranted hate considering how insane most magic formats are now. I would much rather face an infect deck in modern over any 4/5 color elementals deck, if you play any kind of infect deck in Commander you instantly get targeted which is fair, however most people are running infinite two card combos anyways that end the game significantly faster. I think it gets too much hate for what it is
Infect is really fun for me. There are pretty nasty combos I've done with it myself, but my Krenko or Arahbo deck can pop off just as fast, so I feel it's fair especially with 3+ players.
I have 1 infect Commander deck, and my playgroup and I have decided to raise it up to 20 counters, and it still hasn't lost - which is why I play it maybe once every couple of years.
It uses Mimeoplasm, several tutors, LOTS of proliferate (Contagion Engine AND Clasp, Inexorable Tide, etc), and no, I do NOT have a copy of Blightsteel in the deck (even though I do HAVE a copy of him).
Get a Decimator Web or, preferably, Ichor Rats out, get a poison counter on someone or EVERYONE (with the rats) and proliferate like crazy. If I have Conjuror's Closet out, even better the longer I can keep them on the board.
Fill my GW with choice creatures, and bring out Mimeoplasm (with a Negate and Dispel in hand for dual countering from opponents), then have him copy Spinebiter, with the counters from the biggest thing I can find in a GY (hopefully I can get my Death's Shadow in my GY by then).
If I've held them off long enough, and can keep a counter in my hand to hold off a board-wipe, Phyrexian Swarmlord can take care of the rest along with proliferate.
I just feel dirty playing it, but I can't bring myself to take it apart either...
I think it's fine. I had a mono black infect deck when it was standard, and it didn't feel crazy out of hand. Aside from proliferate, it's coming from creatures, and people have answers for them just in general.
I do feel that it's a necessary mechanic. What if your opponent is gaining over 200 life? Sure commander damage is a thing, but not in non EDH formats. It's another wincon just like any other.
There was way, way more fucked up things from New Phytexia than infect.
I did a guide to infect on my channel. I feel infect is over rated as a full on strategy. It's much harder to kill a table with infect then most realize. Where it becomes powerful is like you said giving the ability to creatures that were not designed to have it.
Man infect is one of my favorite mechanics. So flavorful and fun to play with! Love scars limited
Vorinclex is also great. Not only does he double the poison counters you place on your opponents but he also halves opponents' poison counters placed on you and he shuts down other counter shenanigans they may have.
You forgot Rames, Assassin lord. if you kill someone with infect while an assassin attacked, you win the game. He basically makes it pretty viable in any infect deck with B/U in it.
A lot of comments say infect is fine compared to easy infinite combos, and I totally agree. My Xenagos infect list usually kills one player in glorious splendor, two if I’m lucky and three if the gods shine on me. It feels like good, balanced Commander.
That weird rat that gives each player a poison counter on entry. Flicker it a couple of times, maybe even have inexorable tide on board and recast the rat multiple times.
Also known as Rat-tactics
I feel like most people who complain about infect haven't seen how fragile infect creatures really are.
I have. I'm currently trying to turn my Muldrotha deck into an infect deck.
@@1krani oooh, that sounds cool. You're in the best colors for infect/proliferate and you can get those fragile creatures back
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Sort of. Been trying to build the deck around proliferating +1/+1 counters as well, via Defiler of Vigor, Fight Rigging, and other things that slowly power up the field en masse. That way, the infect creatures become less fragile the longer they remain on the field.
@@1krani it sounds like Meren might also be a good choice for you since you can proliferate the experience counters you get from her to keep getting back whatever creatures you want, although you do miss out on all the good blue proliferate cards.
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She would be, if not for the fact that I swore not to spend more than $3 on a deck card, $5 on a card that lets me pull more cards from my deck (i.e. I bought a Japanese version of Bolas's Citadel to keep it below my singles budget), and $6 for a commander (the amount I paid for Muldrotha).
Any cards that do not come into play during a game are all equally worthless to me. So, spending ludicrous amounts of money on singles is a slippery slope I refuse to ride on.
Honestly infect mutate was an interesting deck I played against. They used snapdax to mutate onto small creatures with infect. They also used Kediss to kill everyone once they hit the weakest player.
I like infect because, like wither, it makes the combat damage stick to creatures. Pairing it with first strike via equipment or auras can mean the difference between your prized creature dying and it merely being battered.
I think that's also why it's hated: people plan for their creatures to heal up between turns. Infect keeps them wounded unless they can negate the damage by adding +1/+1 counters.
I remember when I with a knowledgeable mtg buddy built a turn 2 infect deck against the best of a artifact tezz deck. It was awesome. I wish I still have that deck. It has moved on to other things. Lol
I got so much hate for having Tainted Strike in my Syr Konrad, the Grim deck that I had to take it out in order for it to hit the table again. It was the only infect card in the deck!
The reason poison/infect isn't as bad as people would like to believe is because it still requires you to swing. Combat-based strategies just take more work in Commander, imo
Ive heard horror stories of players attacking casually with 10/10 and it goes unblocked and a third player casts tainted strike. Also seen grafted exoskeleton+chandra ignition be pretty wild too.
All that being said I am more okay with infect than say consultation oracle because a lot of deck have accessible ways around infect with removal where as thassa's oracle is harder to interact with and usually happens earlier.
Oh that one commander that ninjutsus out unblockable blightsteel for 3 mana kinda is a little unfair imo but not worth banning either since its like the one edge case.
Master transmuter, blightsteel colossus, any boots. had this deck since Scars of Mirrodin pleny of fun win and losses love it
If you're playing Blightsteel you almost certainly have SEVERAL ways to cheat out Blightsteel. Similarly the 11-15 cmc for the Eldrazi SOUNDS fair.... except that there will always be an infinite mana combo... or a sneak attack... or a reanimate... or a way to setup massive cost reductions... or any other number of ways to get it out for cheap.
I kinda like Infect, but basically just the Wither side of it. So really I want Wither to come back. Poison counters when played fairly are pretty dang tame. It's the players that want to use poison to try and one-shot players that damage its place in Magic. It still seems like Infect might be coming back, based on Ajani, Sleeper Agent.
I never knew poison made a return with Fynn. It's implementation is pretty cool and maxes out at 2 per attack (double strike still dangerous). Though Ajani already brings Infect, I really like thinking about the possibility of bringing back the mechanic in a new form. I think WotC has also tried moving away from -1/-1 counters, maybe because of some of their weird interactions with +1 counters on cards that want to know how many +1 counters were there.
There are no such weird interactions; the counters just cancel out. That's the way the rules work.
@@BAAWAKnight Such as the ruling on Modular creatures that I sometimes have to clarify. Yes, -1 counters remove +1 counters. A Modular creature killed by -1 counters still has +1 counters to pass on. It isn't intuitive for some people.
@@Tera_GX Yeah, that's just last-known information.
One thing you didn't mention was combat tricks. A lot of people run cards like Giant Growth and all the other one mana plus x plus x cards or combat tricks. I had a Saskia infect deck that could kill on turn two consistently.
One opponent or the whole table?
@@EDHisLIFE One opponent, but it usually kills bare minimum two people each game. Each turn you can clock someone out. The Manabase was perfect, but unfortunately I sold it to make a Thrun Voltroll deck. It had a lot of fast Mana and lands that can tap for Mana or any color. Turn one you'd be able to play a 4 drop, and easily any of your infect creatures. By turn two, you could play Giant Growth, Infuriate, any of the one drops, and Berserk to kill. It wasn't about winning, I just built it to be able to kill any player as fast as possible. After people saw you kill someone that fast, they usually would all team up to try and ko you or just ff on the spot. It was probably one of the most aggressive deck that I've seen. It wasn't about winning, just going from zero to one thousand.
Fair enough. If someone has a deck that aggressive in my regular playgroup it's time for better removal and early game blockers. If they were dying to the deck it's their own fault for not building for their meta.
This is a very fair take on what parts of infect are problematic. Thanks for the insight!
hehe, I'm playing Infect Konrad (edh), just 2 infect cards, but more than enough with his amazing ability (tainted strike, glistening oil)
I play the straight up infect creature cards in my infect deck and proliferate cards. I do not really run tainted strike or triumph of the hoards, mainly because of their price and because most of my creatures already have infect, so giving more infect to them seems redundant.
As someone who likes trying to win with infect it is very difficult so I don’t get why people hate it
I think infect struggles to find a place. In mid and lower power where creatures matter and beating through is the main win con, it feels bad to have a triumph played on you and just die out of nowhere. On the other hand, in high power and up, the mechanic is too slow to keep up with many combo strategies, and most colors that run infect strategies don’t have, or can’t afford to have as much interaction to make it consistent enough to beat a full pod of 3 high power decks.
I think the main issue is just how polarizing the mechanic is in commander. I can see how it “feels bad” to many lower power players, but I’ve em ever seen it be successful in high power.
I love infect! My favorite deck, especially in legacy and modern. Though it’s not so good anymore.
I love infect in my nekusar deck it gets nekunasty glistening oil or phyresis and wheels for days
i think infect is great and pretty balanced in commander tbh since its basically playing its own wincon and is very unlikely to actually win a game without some great politicing, compared to 2-4 card combos that just end the game instantly its way more fun
I a lot of people really hate infect, but the most despised ability in the game is annihilator, sorry
I put infect cards into my Slimefoot deck.
Because killing 10 Saprolings is a lot easier than 40 Saprolings.
Infect is scary on paper. In practice it just leads to salt and less than fun player interactions. The Infect player only gets a few avenues to kill people. They all cause the table to turn on them. Go wide and proliferate. They made themselves archenemy. Go single target. They usually kill one person early ruining the game for them and get heavily targeted afterwards. Give infect at instant speed and try and deal the damage all at once. This feels cheap and if it doesn't kill everyone at once has the same outcome as the first 2.
I played infect in standard. It’s powerful but it’s honestly boring. Aggro is a perfectly fair strategy, it just doesn’t offer a lot of dynamic gameplay. I think an infect combo that doesn’t really use combat damage is more interesting, but it’s still very meh. Winning through combat isn’t as much of a thing the higher the power level of the pod. The endgame of “count to 10 instead of 40” doesn’t offer a lot of variety, and when it’s neither very powerful nor does it feel that good to play, why should you play it?
I think people forget that in commander most people are playing a lot of combos and interaction, go wide or voltron decks do need ways to keep up. A 3 card combo and attacking with a couple 1/* infect creatures to get 10 damage seems somewhat balanced to me. I play a Tetsuko Umizawa deck where everything has a power or toughness of 1, so I mean ya how does a deck like that kill 3 players without infect?
my friend wins with that deck many times no infect
@@zacharybecker8228 isn’t really a helping argument tho cuz there’s a lot of factors like the lower levels of the other decks and whatnot. If you CAN win without infect that’s cool but that doesn’t mean infect shouldn’t be used
@@JujuInFlames u asked how can a deck win without infect and it can and my group runs pretty high level decks and he manages without infect so if u cant win with urs ur prob building the deck poorly
@@zacharybecker8228 well to be fair I haven’t run the deck without infect. I’m sure I’ve managed to win without it a couple times but it was probably through bouncing stuff with like cephalid constable or something like that. If you know any win cons from your friends deck I would at least appreciate the input because I haven’t made many go wide decks or mono blue decks for that matter
@@JujuInFlames Bloodforged Battle-Axe is a huge one that gets out of control fast Quietus Spike is another Charix, the Raging Isle Nadir Kraken can help go really wild with all the card draw u get and counter spells to stop other combos and big threats Scytheclaw is another spike but it makes a body and curse of the swine is a good mass exile
I’d rather lose turn 2 than sit in a 30 turn game against a prison deck not being able to do anything and still lose
There are so many mindless and lame ways to win with two or three card combos in commander. Infect is very fair seeing as you are winning through combat which takes some setup and is very difficult to kill everyone at once. Besides triumph of the hordes which is a great win for go wide decks, Infect cards are super overrated. Blightsteel colossus might be the most overrated card ever in commander. Honestly the card is awful. It's slow, way too expensive, easy to counter and gets hated out of the game as soon as it is in play.
Magic players are just like society,cry about everything!
The game is busted, infect isn't the problem
I feel like considering the average commander game now ends pretty early, like turn 7 early, infect isn't that big a deal. If it was so bad you'd see it in cEDH.
O snap! It never occurred to me to give Nekusar infect!
to be fair, if the table knows that one player has an infect deck, the other 3 tend to band together in order to kill him first and fast so unless the infect deck is well built is not that simpe to win 3 on 1
table politics arent game balance. lol
@@petersulewski Ignoring that Table Politics ARE part of the game is ignoring the picture. Yes run 4 AI decks and the Infect MAY have a chance, IF the AIs dont learn to asses threats outside of actual damage. But Politics IS the point of Commander, So no Infect based deck or any hyper power quick strat deck is going to make it long in most pods.
Muldrotha a good card for infect in commander?
I'm not mad at infect honey I get mad at cheap combo wins at least you have to go to combat for infect damage
Funny to think that proto Infect was actually in the game since the beginning with Poison Counters, get 10 you lose the game ;p
See I like the wither effect that infect has. It’s so easy to do 10 damage in commander. Even more so when optimized with proliferate.
For those who think speeding up magic is a good thing, that magic takes too long, I'll save you even more time: Hand me your cards, Ill keep them ( I actually enjoy siting for hours and playing the game), and we can just flip a coin to see who wins.
Man I’ve won a total of like 3 times playing my infect decks. If it’s such a problem for you start building your decks while worrying about poison counters. 😂 Still rather play against infect then combo or extra turns decks.
No one plays Blightsteel expecting to play it turn 12 or later.
I like infect but hate the idea of poison counters. I’d easily agree to just scrap those because infect is powerful enough on its own not just because of the continuous damage effect but also the perpetual decrease in power and most importantly of all: the innate ability to deal with indestructible
You mean the one and only infect card that also has indestructible?
@@BAAWAKnight no I mean the -1/-1 counters from infect can kill indestructible creatures like the theros gods and were my go to for removing them
@@shnorkeythefourth4572 Ah, I misread what you wrote. My apologies.
@@BAAWAKnight no problem, I misread rule stuff all the time. I just won a game on arena where the guys commander gains a life and I lose a lifer per card draw. I had an enchantment that deals damage to him on card draw. He played a card that drew half his deck and said gg but what happened was it queued his effect first then my enchantment so he took 25 damage to face and lost. Don’t how why it’s queued that way or what the rules on putting hex proof on a stack for a creature that’s already been targeted because the client will sometimes fizzle and sometimes follow through anyways
@@shnorkeythefourth4572 Your triggers resolved first, as part of AP/NAP.
Infect in commander just needs the threshold increased to 20
I run a skitheryx in my satoru deck, can confirm my friends hates it lol
My deck is not infect but people get mad when I combo and just win the game with my meren deck mostly cause if they can't exile the combo piece thats making the combo happen like necrotic ooze or mikaeus the unhallowed if they counter it or use a kill spell on it then meren will bring it back and I win on my end step I won on my end step with triskelion and mikaeus on my end step by hard casting triskelion and recurring mikaeus on my end step I havent done it with necrotic ooze yet but it probably will happen at some point I dont feel guilty about my deck doing what its supposed to though so people being mad is irrelevant to me
Any of the new Warhammer 40k cards have good infect combos?
Nope not that Ive seen
@@memnarch129 thanks :)
a person i played with ran saskia infect that was such an annoying deck and ironically triumph feels like the most fair give infect card at the least the one deck i use it in cus its all only combat damage
Infect is great for incentivizing more aggressive play
Tainted strike make Yargle go brrrr
5:50 how are you not prepared to deal with poison counters? Do you somehow forget they exist as you sit down to play the game? Poor excuse.
My opponent combo off on free for all with infinite life, I ended top decking triumph of hordes best yugi moments I had lol
I have less of an issue with infect nowadays with the advent of combo heavy power creep laden decks. My lingering issue with infect is that, unlike constructed formats, poison counters in Commander are disproportionate. Where constructed is half your life total, commander is still 10 and not half your life total. Especially with how easily you can spam 10 damage in the format, it can be really predatory on at least on player in the pod.
Chad infect
People actually cast blightsteel?
didn't know infect was hated
Infect feels boring. It's alright as an added alternative win condition but when a deck is centered around dealing infect damage the game becomes arch-enemy
My playgroup has agreed to 15 infect is lethal for commander. Mainly because I built a deck around cheating a blightsteel colossus into play and putting a blade of selves on it to kill everyone by turn 5 or 6 :/
Turn 5 or 6?? You know how few Commander games ACTUALLY go that long? Most decks are built around getting win conditions by turn 3-4
@@memnarch129 Only if you're playing cEDH/higher power.
Let’s be real, it’s just popular to hate anything in 2022
I play rafiq and always son whit the infect mono blue aura
Having played through Standard at the time using a GW defender deck using overgrown battlements for mana to get out big fatties like Eldrazi titans and Gideon out, all which had 0 power, infect annoyed the hell out of me and I stopped playing untill Innisdtrad came out. So yeah... hated infect with a passion.
Im not against infect, but I think it could use a little bit more counter play, maybe 1 or 2 cards that counter it in each color.
It's almost entirely creature/ combat based and every source of repeat proliferation is a permanent. Interact with your opponents.
I have to remind people that we are not going to shoot the first person out after the game sometimes. Shuffle up and lets run it again
I made a green black infect deck. It’s not competitive but all my friends hate it. Its really annoying to deal with and it makes you want to concede if your life gain sometimes. I would say infect is a broken mechanic.
Of course it's still hated nobody wants to die from 10 infect counters and sit there and watch your friends play for 45 minutes lol
My table set the threshold to 20 poison counters, sort of like commander damage that other creatures can contribute towards.
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So you've banned infect.
Scrub check failed.
@@BAAWAKnight I’m the one with the “infect” deck (Fynn the Fangbearer)
I love infect cause my friends hate it 🤣🤷♂️